Lane Bryant Vs. Victoria's Secret: ImNoAngel Is Bigger & Better

[Amanda-Arcangel]

Photo Source: Lane Bryant

I previously introduced you to Ashley Graham when I wrote about her becoming the FIRST plus-size model to be featured in the iconic Sports Illustrated - Swimsuit Issue. Now, she along with models: Marquita Pring, Candice Huffine, Victoria Lee, Justine Legault, and Elly Mayday have all stripped down to their bras and panties to declare that "sexy" has multiple defintions and that they are "no angels" in the new Lane Bryant ImNoAngel campaign video for the lingerie line Cacique.

The brand states that "The Lane Bryant ImNoAngel initiative celebrates women of all shapes and sizes by redefining society's traditional notion of sexy with a powerful core message: ALL women are sexy."

The ImNoAngel campaign is not only challenging conventional beauty standards but also calling out Victoria's Secret and their infamous angels!

Watch Ashley Graham and friends as they turn heads in the 30 second Lane Bryant ImNoAngel commercial below!

With all of the social media buzz onlline surrounding the ImNoAngel campaign, how do you define sexy? Both women with and without curves can be sexy - what is important is how you work with what you got, CONFIDENCE!

[BumbleSuperBee]

What obese women should know is that it is NOT okay to be fat.. I get that there are fat women who don't have the ability to look as thin as victoria's secret models but no one is asking them to be like that. Obese women or men shouldn't feel offended by society cuz it is their fault they are that fat. And this can be easily solved simply by saying that u don't wanna be fat anymore by eating junk food everyday and sitting on ur asses doing nothing, and actually starting to do sth about it!
I believe that VS models are too slim and that's not how an average women should be nor is too curvy. No one is asking you to starve urself but too much is too much. Fat women shouldn't be discouraged to work out and be thinner cuz that's what the message of the video seemed to me... it's like they were literally saying "screw vs models, if ur fat and lazy and don't have the energy to do sth about it then it's fine, whatever".
And again, women shouldn't have the bodies of vs models nor the imnoangel models.. somewhere in the middle is perfect.

[PromiseIllBeNice]

Hahaha 😂 🙌Preach baby Preach! 🙌 this girl speaks the truth!

[Yc2K15]

People should just mind their own business when it comes to another persons weight. I see tiny little men with massive morbidly obese women and vise versa. These people have someone who loves them so why should they care what you think? Same argument as being gay pretty much. But that topic is too sensitive. Fat people should have the right to live freely, skinny people also.

[BumbleSuperBee]

Hahaha justiinn xD @PromiseIllBeNice

[BumbleSuperBee]

I'm not judging anyone or making people feel bad about themselves. It's just there are many fat women who keep complaining about their weight and that they aresnt satisfied with the way they look without doing anything about it. And yes, I agree, there are women who don't care and men who don't care but still... if there's sth they can do about it then why not do it without just complaining and feeling bad about themselves..
@Yc2K15

[Yc2K15]

Yeah sorry I forgot to say I agreed, but what I also mean was that if the fat people who complained also minded their business... you feel me? It seems more like women fighting with each other to an extent. I totally agree with you though, my sister is a perfect example, dux of the school, slim pretty, and put on about 30 kg in 2 years, kept going, but is the pinnacle of what you are talking about!

[BumbleSuperBee]

Then yes, in this case, you're right... everyone should mind their own business weather it's about slim women or fat women.. i was just talking about those who feel offended by society y'know... cuz they can change. @Yc2K15

[Yc2K15]

Yeah I know what you mean, it pisses me off. But sometimes when fat people lose weight they become douche bags and turn really egocentric. Even though they just went for a bloody jog lol. But yeah high five lol

[BumbleSuperBee]

Yes that's true but oh well.. thats life :p
@Yc2K15

[CincinnatiRedsfan]

Why do you care? It reminds me of people who care about when people do drugs (including smoking and drinking.) It's THEIR body, so WHY do YOU care? Personally I don't find them attractive but I could care less.

[ThisDudeHere]

My question to women: what do I do If I'm just not attracted to them?

No, I don't insult them, I don't ridicule them, I don't mistreat them. I can be friendly, I can be very friendly even... but I'm just not attracted. What is the female response to this? Am I bad? Should I change? Or what? Because I don't get the point behind these campaigns.

[bloojai]

They may not be attractive to you but they will be attractive to other people. This campaign isn't supposed to force you to change, it's just about acceptance and encouraging people with bodies that don't fit in with the hollywood/model norm, to love themselves.

[ThisDudeHere]

Well that's perfectly fine, but why is it that I get some bad looks (or words) when I just honestly state that I wouldn't pursue them?

[nalaa]

Well what do you find attractive?
finding healthy women attractive is one thing however if you think this is the height of attractiveness
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Then ya, you should reconsider your worldview, because those girls are all underweight. And you and many many other guys telling us that you think underweight is ideal, is creating a problem for a lot of young girls. I don't get what men want us to say to that? That it's ok? It's not

If you actually find women at a healthy weight range MOST attractive then I don't think you'll ever have an issue with anyone about it.
the campaign is about accepting bodies that are not underweight and being happy with how you are. Like the one girl that has a c-section scar. A lot of women are very very self conscious about it, terrified that someone might not think it's attractive. Some of those women are also at a healthy weight. A lot of what we consider plus size is completely healthy. Robyn Lawly for example has a BMI of 20

[Deft_maiden]

Money is behind these campaigns.. 1/3 of Americans are severely overweight. Let's turn them into a commodity.
** I don'to support VS sticks either

[ThisDudeHere]

@nalaa I do not consider anorexia to be attractive. For me the height of attractiveness would be some one like this woman
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But that is, as you put it, my height of attractiveness. Either way, I do find average women with a healthy layer of fat to be more attractive than walking skeletons.

But still, If I want to be completely honest, if I was in a situation where I had to choose, I'd choose the anorexic girl over the...(what is the politically correct term for the imnoangel girls?)

[nalaa]

"what is the politically correct term for the imnoangel girls?" -normal or average. That's the point

[ThisDudeHere]

@nalaa You are meaning to say that those women in the ImNoAngel campaign are average? I was always under the impression that some one like this is average:

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[nalaa]

You're being sarcastic, right?
If not, then again that is also what the campaign is about

[ThisDudeHere]

@nalaa No I'm not sarcastic. Whenever I'm outside I see women with her build all of the time, making her average. Not anorexic, but not with a lot of fat either.

[DaveyYourFavey]

@ThisDudeHere

I'm guessing, judging from your "height of attractiveness" photo, you prefer curvy girls.

Those ImNoAngel gir

[DaveyYourFavey]

Sorry, wasn't finished

Those ImNoAngel girls are slightly chubby, but they still have that curvy figure. And you're saying you'd prefer an anorexic girl over someone like Ashley Graham, just because she has a little extra fat on her tummy?

So when there's a little extra fat, you'd prefer to abandon curvy and go for very petite and underweight?

[ThisDudeHere]

@DaveyYourFavey don't get me wrong. "Abandon curvy" was not my intention. More like - if I'm in a situation where I have the chance to choose between an anorexic girl and a ImNoAngel girl, I'd choose the anorexic one, but in any other situation, the ImNoAngel girl would be a pretty good choice.

[Taywallee16]

This seriously makes me so angry. All the men on here saying big women are ugly/ lazy/ unhealthy/ smelly need to shut their mouths. You are making assumptions that are incredibly hurtful. I come from both ends of the argument. I dealt with bulimia from the time I was 11 up until I was 15. Heck I still deal with it now. I became I'll when I was 9 and gained a lot of weight because of it. Now as an impressionable tween I thought I had to look like the people on TV, or in movies and magazines. So I tried for a year as hard as a 10 year old could to lose weight. When it didn't work I took to the internet to lose weight. That's how I found out about bulimia. Tried it and I lost 60 pounds in 5 months. Once again I became incredibly ill and battled for years not to resort to old habits. I put on 40 pounds since I was 12 and lose and gain weight all the time. But I can't go out or do anything without thinking about what people must think of me. It's damaging and can really hurt someone's life forever. Please think about what you say and do. You could hurt someone without even realizing it.

[Piploy01]

agree

[SuklaaTryffeli]

This is the basic reason behind this. Victoria's secret published this:

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The perfect body campaign. Notice how they all have same, tall, skinny body type. Nothing wrong with that body type. But this clearly indicates that they promote this one single body type as the only right one. The perfect one. And that is stupid.

These women don't think they are better than victoria's secret angels but they don't accept being inferior either. They think all body types are equal. They think they can bf just as sexy as models.

You don't have to like them or think they are sexy but they want to ferl sexy and show other bigger women that they are beautiful too. Their body is nothing to be ashamed of. Sure they might be a little overweigh but they don't care. Being a little overweight isn't that unhealthy. Most victoria's secret models are slightly underweight.

Be proud of your body. Confidence is attractive

[Illusive_Man]

I don't think it's so much “body type” difference but body fat percentages...

[Yc2K15]

the perfect body for cocaine addicts is what the meant love. haha
It seriously fascinated me how much bad shit women do like this Victoria secret campaign. Women making statements that affect women, yet women are fighting with men over how women want to be treated/seen. Its so fucking confusing for us guys lol. I don't consider any of those girls to have a perfect body. I think the perfect body is the one you feel comfortable in, that is simply it.

[SuklaaTryffeli]

@Illusive-Man
It has more to do with body type. Some women are not naturally thin can never look like the girls in victoria's secrets campaign and some naturally thin girls just don't gain weight even though they eat and eat. We have different bodies and not everyone can be skinny or curvy.

[SuklaaTryffeli]

Whoops
@Illlusive_Man

And I agree with you @Yc2K15

[SuklaaTryffeli]

How hard can it be to write
@Illusive_Man
:D

[Illusive_Man]

That's not true lol
Everyone can have a low body fat percentage.
We are not talking about inhumane ranges like the sub 10% , we are talking about an athletic 10%-20% range.
www.muscleandfitness.com/.../20-tips-shed-body-fat-good
EVERYONE , and I say EVERYONE with enough work can achieve that with a consistent diet and regular and effective exercise.

Everyone can be fit and strong unless of course you have some metabolic illness or something.

[SuklaaTryffeli]

@Illusive_ Man it depends on your genes how easy and how hard that body type is to acheive... and maintain. Sure I believe all people ( who are not ill) could accheive certain fit body type with super low body fat but for some people it would still be ridiculously hard to acheive it will be healthier for them not to.
BMI and body fat percentage can't tell if the person is healthy or not and you don't have to be fit to look healthy and attractive. You can go give your work out inspirations to someone else.

[Illusive_Man]

LOL , no one even mentioned BMI here.
Anyone in the fitness world would tell you BMI is bogus.
Body-fat percentage is where it's at. Everyone in that picture is WAY ABOVE the 20% mark.
Self-acceptance is one thing but self-acceptance of a problem of your own making isn't called self-acceptance , it's called escapism. The problem is still gonna persist even if you plug your ears and go LALALALALALALA.

[SuklaaTryffeli]

I talked about BMI. Not you. I did. I added it to this concersation because I don't believe in fat percentages any more than BMI.

And what is supposed to be 20% fat percentage, is not the only healthy one. Women naturally have more fat. 20% usually means a very very thin or muscular with women.
And yeah, I get what you mean, but they aren't obese or anything. This isn't about being healthy or problems with losing weight. This is about accepthing yourself and feeling good about your body no matter what it looks like. Fat percentage doesn't tell you when you have right to be confident and when you are problem free.

[Consultant]

Up vote for girls that actually take care of themselves.

[SuklaaTryffeli]

@Consultant , oh those models? Some of them do. One of them just recently said she doesn't work out or think about what she eats so, meh.
But I guess I can't demand people to read, simple minded ones will just watch pictures and base their opinions by them. That is what kids do, adults read.

[DaveyYourFavey]

I don't find VS models attractive at all.

They're far too skinny. They have nice faces (overrated ones for sure but still nice), but they're bodies (for me) are a true let down.

But of course many girls refuse to believe this. Ever since people heard fat was bad, a lot of girls wanted to be as far away from it as possible. The whole thing got blown out of proportion, and then the fashion media, which is dominated by women and gay men (who dont really know what hetero men want), started bombarding women with this idea that super skinny is the ideal. Which is completely untrue for both health and attractiveness.

I like curvy girls

I think girls like Ashley Graham are almost perfect. But they are a little on the heavier side. They could slim down a little. But not a lot. If Ashley had less of a stomach she would be absolutely perfect.

But you don't need to have wide hips, big boobs, thick thighs and an hourglass figure to be attractive. Any girl can be attractive, as long as she's healthy, secure in herself and isn't trying to to live up to the fashion media's idea of perfection.

This revolution thats happening is something brilliant.

[LonelyLillie13]

good for you and im thin i don't have trouble finding a guy, different guys like different things. And you sure sounded like an ass when you said " a real letdown for slim girls" and then hypocritically try to say "Any girl can be attractive"

[DaveyYourFavey]

@LonelyLillie13 I didn't say "is real letdown for slim girls", that's a complete misquote. I was talking about VS models, who are very thin and unnaturally so. A high metabolism isn't what keeps them that thin. Its crazy dieting and intensive, long workouts sometimes as much as twice a day. They even have admitted that they are not to eat any more than an apple on the day of the VS fashion show.

And after that I said any girl can be attractive as long as she is healthy and not trying to be what the fashion media considers perfect. Those women are trying and I doubt many of them are actually healthy. You know most of them meet the physical criteria for anorexia?

I know different guys like different things. Not all guys are like me. Thats why I said "their bodies (FOR ME) are a true letdown." I'm sure many guys like VS models. But I as only speaking about my own opinion.

I think skinny girls can be attractive. (their just not my own ideal) I just think that VERY skinny girls are not

[kxera]

All you people posting anonymously need to wo (man) up and show yourself! If you can talk shit about someone's body then you can let people respond knowing who you are.
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REALITY CHECK:

Just to make it clear to everyone
Being "Fat" or "Overweight" doesn't equal unhealthy.
The same goes for most of the VS models or fashion models in general who by medical standards are "underweight" aren't unhealthy.

I was underweight most of my life yet I ate a ton of food. Even though I was super skinny, I surely wasn't fit. The only reason I gained weight was from exercising. Anyways, I guarantee you that some of these women are a lot fitter then some of the skinny "healthy" girls you like. & I'm not bashing small people either because I'm on the smaller end, but humans come in all shapes and sizes that don't necessarily determine health, so please excuse your uneducated selves.
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These women aren't morbidly obese. If you have a preference for skinny or more slender girls then that's fine, but to say a woman looks disgusting and is obviously unheathy just because she is bigger than what is appealing to your eye is absolutely shameful!
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Concerning the topic:

First off, you should never shame anyone regardless of how they look because they are confident in their own skin. Being confident with who they are doesn't mean you can't "better" themselves either, but your shitty remarks aren't promoting "good health"; they are promoting self hate amongst people who don't fit your standards.

Second, these women aren't selling their bodies or promoting obesity, being unhealthy, or doing a "disservice" to big people. They are models for a reason, just like VS models. They are here to promote clothing/lingerie. Not everyone woman is super slim; we come in all shapes in sizes, so there should be models in all shapes and sizes for brands trying to sell their clothes.

Third, grow some fucking balls and show yourself.

[kxera]

(growing some balls goes to the people too afraid to show themselves after their shitty comments)
BETTER YET, GROW A VAGINA!
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[RationalMale]

That's a faliciy. Women don't decide what's sexy for a woman.

Why? Because aside from the tiny percent of often quite manly and hideous lesbians you meet on the street, women want to date and sleep with MEN.

Hence, we decide what is sexy. It's like how movie production companies can't decide what's a box office smash. They can declare a movie is art, and awesome, but the choice is up to the audience to decide if the movie will make a profit or not.

Likewise, fat women can declare that being overweight is sexy. It's meaningless, the vain protests of a mewling quim. We men decide what's sexy.

For instance, this study of over 60k people, 80% men, found that both men and women find a slim, Taylor Swift type body more attractive for a woman than Kim K. The media trumphets about kim K, plus size women, and "all about that bass" but it doesn't mean shit.

www.foxnews.com/.../

At the end of the day, we men like what we like, and fatties claiming we should like them won't change it.

This

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doesn't beat this

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no matter how loudly overweight women scream and cry and wish to change it.

[gray_sailor]

Unless of course you are me or guys like me screaming for years in the wilderness. The first woman you portray is far , far, far my preference and always has been. It's not just the women that are frustrated here, when other vocal assholes presume to speak for my tastes.

These women do not need to be found to be sexy by everyone. But they most certainly are found sexy by enough of us. If it does not apply to you simply move along, don't be rude, and keep your insulting and retrograde ideas to youself.

I just don't F**king understand the mentality of people like you.

If we were talking about hair color, you would allow for all preferences, but when it comes to bodyfat, then you are the supreme ruler of the land and the large women and men who like them need to apparently keep quiet and keep to our place.

On this subject for sure, a rational male you are not!

[RationalMale]

oh, i don't doubt there exists a niche of chubby chasers, @gray_sailor

that's what you are part of. a tiny niche. doesn't change what the norm and gold standard is.

[gray_sailor]

The niche is larger than you presume because a fairly large percentage of men have no preference. For these men, the woman considered as a whole is perfectly lovely to get into a relationship with.

You are basically embracing the falacy that unless a man is a chubby chaser, there is no interest.

Some men reject large women out of hand, perhaps a bare majority. But those that do not reject, fall into TWO groups: those that pursue AND those that accept.

[RationalMale]

@gray_sailor

obviously a fair amount of men have no preference... they can't afford to. what, half of American women are fat or obese? a lot of men can't afford to have preferences, by sheer math, or they'd be stuck alone, because they don't havr the looks/money/confidence to do better.

[gray_sailor]

By your reasoning, the slimmer girl is ALWAYS the better person. That simply is not the case.

[smexiliciousss]

love all the salty bitches downvotes lol

[Taywallee16]

@RationalMale you are so arrogant and ignorant it amazes me.

[RationalMale]

@Taywallee16

Your lack of anything to say doesn't surprise me... when you can't rebut what someone says with any intelligent argument, insults are all that's left.

However, perhaps I can rephrase to help you understand.

I'm sure a notable chunk of women out there prefer to date down... I've seen it happen. Good looking women dating men with no real job prospects, who are often also not good looking and overweight. Let's say 15% of women like men like that, just for example.

If 50% of men were suddenly like that--fat slobs working grunt jobs with no career goals, and people were suddenly pushing that that should be celebrated, don't you think lots of women would be upset?

"Hey, you might like dating fat slobs making poverty wage, but I want a fit guy with career aspirations! Don't encourage more men to be fat slobs! Encourage them to get fit and obtain good jobs that make a decent wage! We are repulsed by fat slobs working poverty wage jobs, they're not sexy!"

See the point?

[dutchpride92]

... To your last comment, my husband was fairly chubby when I started dating him, and he didn't have a job... I loved him just the same. Now he does have a job, and we both lost a lot of weight (he lost weight since we got married because of all the you-know-what, I've just been eating healthier) but he has always been the one for me. Just because you've only met materialistic bitches who judged you by the way you look and how much money you have in your bank account doesn't mean all women want a rich guy with a plastic six-pack body. I'd rather cook for a guy with a healthy appetite than a guy who constantly thinks he's gonna get fat and ugly.

[ShaeNielson]

I am all for body positivity, love yourself and no you don't have to look like an Angel to be gorgeous, but I strongly disagree with "bigger is better"
These women are beautiful, they might be a little overweight but nothing unhealthy. I have absolutely no problem with that, and I think they have all the rights in the world to feel amazing, because they are indeed lovely. This doesn't mean skinny (maybe) shapeless girls aren't just as gorgeous though. Body positive is not about making big girls feel good, it's about all the girls feel amazing in all their different bodies. There is this thing, where in order to feel good about yourself, you shame people who doesn't look like you. Skinny people shame bigger people, big people shaming skinny people. That is NOT okay! We are trying to break up with the "ideal body" image, but by shaming everyone who's different from you, you are just to creating a new specific "THIS is how you have to look, to be allowed to feel pretty" Is that really what we want?

As long as you are HEALTHY and functioning, I don't care about your love handles or boyish shape, we are all beautiful.

[Ascension]

Female models don't exist in my world, period. Fat, large, and pretty. Or, skinny, Barbie-esque, and pretty. They are in airbrushed pics and TV commercials and that's it. And I live in Chicago (no I don't like going to clubs to find women). Sexy to me, is women who are as fit as they can be and always challenge themselves to be fit. If they happen to be thick and a little overweight, fine as long as they work hard and stay committed to working out. As long as they're cute and their personality is real, they are trustworthy, and they don't fly off the handle emotionally.

I've dated an entitled "pretty" girl with an amazing athletic body (who didn't work out at all), and she was a nightmare. Took years off my life. Along with being in my late 30s now, my eyes are more open than ever to any type of woman who fits my aforementioned description.

Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. However, I will say that these women should still think seriously about interventions to lose weight. I'm NOT saying to be a rail at all. It goes back to how many old people do you see this large? If one looks like this on the outside, then they are at potential for sleep apnea, hyperlipidemia, Type II Diabetes, Metabolic Syndrome, etc. We can champion the packages of beauty all we want (corps and individuals), but what remains is this country is sick and horrendously overweight.

No one has to be perfect, but all adults have a responsibility to take care of themselves and seek out help to do so if needed.

[MaskedSanity]

Every single one of these women is fat.

If you want to push body acceptance, why aren't regular fat chicks not being used as models?
All these women have thin faces, which completely goes against the whole big is beautiful bullshit they're pedalling.

Where are the regular jackoffs that have just as much body fat bonus double chins, eh?

Why are double chins not celebrated? Because fat is not attractive. If it was, fat models with fat faces would have been used.

This campaign is a farce.

[Yc2K15]

I agree! Unfortunately only snapped into my head after I commented. I still think these ladies are all hot. But the entire article is a load of shit.

"The brand states that "The Lane Bryant ImNoAngel initiative celebrates women of all shapes and sizes by redefining society's traditional notion of sexy with a powerful core message: ALL women are sexy."

But after staring at the computer screen blankly for about 5 mins, I was like WTF? all these women are the same size? that completely contradicts their entire point and makes them look like a group of overconfident self indulged bitches who are trying to make money by being completely fake to what they stand for. ( Damn I wish I posted this instead )

[MaskedSanity]

@Yc2K15

Most body acceptance movements revolve around shaming another body type. And then in their crusade to showcase "different bodies" they just pump out thicker looking models with the same airbrushed bodies and perfect faces.

Don't get me wrong, I think these ladies are gorgeous. But it's because they have pretty faces and no chin fat. Block out the faces for the campaign, add a few variations of the bodies and we'll have a genuine message.

[kheserthorpe]

I was reading the other day an interview with a mode scout who was saying plus sized models are really hard to find. There are many more women with runway model proportions than plus size model (overweight but still hourglass and slim neck as you say) proportions.

[Yc2K15]

Totally agree. in fact I think that you should write an article using this as your example of the message that is wrongfully being sent. Women like yourself should spread your knowledge as much as possible because your insight can have a big impact on people. Maybe you should make a home video with you and your friends and send it as a response video to both "victorias secret" and "I'm no angel". And tweet it. at least if you made money, it would go to someone who has truly good intentions.

[Illusive_Man]

FUUCK YEAH!!!
I fucking love ya lol
And the fact that none of them people who says otherwise dares to debate you on the topic lol
CHAMP!

[dutchpride92]

The real question is, why aren't double chins celebrated ANYMORE? The Original models for paintings were usually on the bigger side, especially in the baroque era. A person of nobility in older days would consume no less than 10.000 calories a day. Why? Because luxury was only available to the rich. A normal working man consumed 4000, but he needed those calories to stay alive and for the physical work it wasn't enough. Today, people have luxury all around, even poor people can eat fatty foods and pastries (in Western countries that is). So rare = beautiful, in times where it's rare to be bigger that is the ideal, in times where it's rare to be slim that is the ideal. So there you go.

[YourFutureEx]

Curvy =/= fat.
I'm getting highly pissed off when fat girls say that I'm curvy so curvy lovers would find me sexy but the reality is that only BBW lovers would find you sexy.
One more thing they introduced 'fat shaming'. I don't shame anybody, I don't even have time to shame anyone and what would I get out of it. But girls should realise that being fit is one's own responsibility even if it's a boy or girl.

I don't like anorexic girls. I like skinny and curvy both (basically they're fit), I don't like fat girls either. Muscular, out of question.

This is not confidence, this is hypocrisy.
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[Taywallee16]

I'm getting highly pissed off when people say they don't fat shame or like fit girls but clearly state fat girls, muscular girls, or slightly overweight girls aren't beautiful. It's fine that you have a preference but it's kind of ignorant to say you will not date a girl who isn't curvy or skinny.

[gray_sailor]

Gotta disagree with you here dude. The usage you are railing against is at least 40 years old. That it is gaining cultural prominence now does not mean that you get to tell others they have been doing it wrong for the last 2 generations.

Curvy is a word that has 2 forms of usage.

In its adjective form, you can describe any woman as curvy provided she meets your subjective criteria.

In its noun form, the word Curvy is a category label that identifies women who by definition are overweight but who have narrow waist, full bust and hips and a slightly rounded belly.

Curvy is the smallest of a series of category labels that these women use to self identify. The men that pursue these women use these same labels. Their communication with each other is clear. The only person with a problem is you as you seem to want YOUR WORD returned to you, perhaps with a note of appology. Refering to BBWs is to your credit but the fat woman in your picture is too small to have that label apply to her.

[gray_sailor]

For the record, all of the models shown qualify as either Curvy or chubby. None of them is plump and certainly none of them are large enough to be BBWs.

[gray_sailor]

Confidence and hypocrisy have nothing to do with this at all.

The word Curvy has an accepted meaning that you reject out of ignorance. Since you don't want anything to do with any fat girls the need to distinguish between them based on size is lost on you. For men that actually ARE looking for a BBW a Curvy woman is too small. I suppose the idea completely escapes you.

[TripleAce]

@Taywallee16

I can bet my bottom dollar that you shame small penis guys and wouldn't date a guy that is short, bald and has a small penis

Aesthetics matter, don't play like it doesn't

[Taywallee16]

@TripleAce I'm not saying that looks don't matter. I'm saying you can't say you're not being rude when you clearly are. And that you can't say bigger girls aren't pretty at all because that's not true.

[YourFutureEx]

@Taywallee16 - if you are fat then you are fat. How could I lie? Calling a fat girl fat is not shaming (unless it's repetitive), calling a girl weird cow or something because she's fat is shaming.

Who said you that I won't date such girls? In fact, why did you even put that point? Why are you generalising that I won't look the inner self of the girl? I'm seriously offended by your point, it was an attack on my character.
Continuing the @TripleAce 's point, I think it's YOU who's highly concerned about looks.

[YourFutureEx]

@gray_sailor - appreciate the effort.
curvy is considered to be someone who has waist to hip ratio of.75. Bust plays no part in it. But if she has waist to hip ratio of.75 and has very fat belly or fluffy arms and fatty chin, she's fat.
If going to your definition, most of the fat girls would be labelled as curvy.

Question, what would you consider the girl in the second picture? Fat or curvy?

[Taywallee16]

Okay so explain to me what this statement meant "I don't like anorexic girls, I like skinny and curvy both (basically they're fit), I don't like fat girls either. Muscular, out of question." Those are your words. And to me that sounds like you wouldn't consider a girl that doesn't fit your criteria. And the point I was trying to make to was that you don't judge someone based on how they look. End of discussion. How would feel if I pointed out something you're clearly insecure about? You don't do that to another human being. Stop acting like you're only trying to help. You're being a jerk.

[YourFutureEx]

@Taywallee16 - first of all, behave in manner, okay?

I don't like such girls means I don't like them, simple. But it doesn't mean that I judged the whole person based on her looks. I just judged their appearance WHICH CAN BE RECTIFIED.
If you point out something in me which I'm insecure about and if it can be rectified then I'd be grateful to you for opening my eyes, you made me realise that I need to do something.

[TripleAce]

@Taywalle

Bigger girls can be pretty of course... I know plenty of fatter women that are gorgeous BUT unfourtunatley a body that is in shape such as the picture @YourFutureEx posted, the girl on the left. she's sexier, There's simply no going around that fact... media has nothing to do with it, our eyes prefer that more

And you can't stop people from being rude about it to be honest, image is the first thing people use to predetermine a person 's personality. Yes don't judge a book by its cover but most of the times you see a thug looking like dude, he's a thug, you see a rock style dresser, he likes rock... you see cuts on someone's arms, they have issues.

YOU see a overweight women, you automatically assume she's not ambitious enough to lose it... EVEN if it's not the case... but most of the times its true so it's ok to assume that... they just walk around like 'screw off I'm fat and beautiful' so love me and I want the hottest guy with abs, then cry when don't get em

[TripleAce]

@Taywalee16

[TripleAce]

@Taywallee16

[gray_sailor]

There is a comprehensive listing of category labels that large women use to refer to themselves. Fat isn't one of those labels. I'm not making this up.

Here is the list:
Curvy
Chubby
Plump
Big Beautiful Woman (BBW)
Super Big Beautiful Woman (SBBW)
Super Super Big Beautiful Woman (SSBBW)

When I married my wife, she was a BBW. In the 10 years we have been together, she has lost 175 lbs.
Having lost that weight, she is not a BBW, she passed through being a Plump, she is no longer a Chubby either. Right now she is a Curvy.

But hey, you're 20 years old and the language belongs entirely to you and clearly I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

Nobody is arguing about the meaning of the adjective. The noun Curvy is a grouping label that has membership based on criteria that are not the same as for the adjective form of the word.

The closest example I can come up with for you is that homosexual men identify as gay. Saying they're misusing the word is going to get you laughed at.

[YourFutureEx]

@gray_sailor - okay I'd need your help in writing a myTake. Can I PM you in near future?

[gray_sailor]

I'd be open to seeing what you have to say.

[RestlessYouth_]

Sexy is a feeling. When I see a woman unapologeticly walking around with her head held high strutting her stuff I think she's sexy. Everyone deserves to feel sexy, no matter anyone's opinion. by the way, there's difference between average, curvy, having a little extra weight, and being obese. I suggest you people learn it. .

[MindYourEyes]

You are awesome.
Preach

[Ozanne]

Wonderful response. :)

[FlyingTurtle]

People's responses to this frustrate me to no end. These women are NOT modeling their bodies. They are not trying to sell their bodies. They are trying to sell CLOTHES. And the best way to sell clothes is to convince people that it will look good on your body type. If I want to buy a bra or underwear, I'd like to see how it makes someone with my body type look. Fat people want to see how it makes a fat person look. Skinny people want to see how it makes a skinny person look. Which is why we should use models of all shapes and sizes. We shouldn't be judging the bodies. We should be judging the clothes, because that's what is being advertised. /rant

[YolaMoore]

Finally someone said it.

[kxera]

THANK YOU!!!

[Bards]

GENIUS.

[TripleAce]

I think this a great strategic play on their part... it's a great way to cash grab from overwieght women as well as still appeal to the thinner girls... I'm sure overweight women felt left out and sales must of reflected that... so they decided to do something about it

For those of you who think media tells us what's sexy... well now the ad is telling this is sexy, are we all jumping and listening like good little followers, no...

They may pave the way for what's sexy BUt at there ideas still have to aligne with us

[Ozanne]

I'm no thin minnie, and I know I turn heads. So being skinny does not mean sexy. Being sexy, is just that: being sexy - that's it, no matter what size you are. Haven't you ever seen skinny unattractive women? They're everywhere. I have seen very beautiful and/or sexy women in all different body types.

When I asked my husband once when he finds me most sexy, here's what he said to me: When you blow dry your hair.

So when I'm wrapped with a towel around my waist, not even trying to hide my muffin, he thinks this is me at my sexiest! He's watching my hair get tousled around by my blow dryer and the determined look I get on my face making sure it gets dried right. Who knew?

So if VS Angels or LB NoAngels can be sexy in their small and big sizes walking up and down runways and posing for their catalogs, let's include a segment of women of all shapes standing in the bathroom, blow drying their hair and see how men love it. :D

[AleDeEurope]

I think it's great to have models that aren't all skinny, as long as they aren't overweight, I'm ok with it. Just like I'm not for underweight models, I'm not in favor of overweight models either.
We can't say ALL women are sexy, because that is like saying "Hey, you can starve yourself/be obese if you want, you'll still be sexy". Sexy is a woman that's healthy, she may be skinny, or chubby, but still healthy. That's sexy for me.

[PiuBelloAmante]

why can't i express myself this eloquently...
LOL!

[AleDeEurope]

@PiuBelloAmante Hahaha it's the Spanish charm that makes me be this eloquent.
stream1.gifsoup.com/.../...s-prince-charming-o.gif

xD

[PiuBelloAmante]

LMAO! i guess so bro...
i am only like 1/16th Spanish lol!
thats where i get some swag but you full blooded bros are killer =)

[BelleGirl21]

Perfect opinion^^^ 😊

[AleDeEurope]

@BelleGirl21 Thanks my wif... I mean, Belle :P

[BelleGirl21]

Lol so cute ;)

[Michamabelle]

what you said is beautiful! we need more men like you in this world

[AleDeEurope]

@Michamabelle Thank you :)

[Anonymous]

These are the type of women who could easily lose weight and look super sexy if they just put the work in. Women often delude themselves by stating that if they have confidence and find their own bodies sexy, men will find them sexy as well. No, these bodies are not sexy, I don't see arousing curves, just a load of fat most probably gained during pregnancy. Promoting this unhealthy lifestyle is just as bad as promoting the anorexic body type. Women, if you want to achieve the desired body type you just have to go to the gym and drop the junk food, that simple. Excuses won't make you look sexy.

[ShaeNielson]

Maybe not everyones purpose of life is to be a gym freak, and achieve what you think is "the perfect body". They are trying to break up with the perfect body ideal, by saying everyone have the right not to be ashamed of how they look.

[Accipiter]

Obesity is a medical condition that should not be glorified. Obese people require more healthcare services to be kept alive than smokers. It puts a strain on taxpayers who live in subsidized healthcare societies.

That being said, a woman can be a plus sized and still look beautiful. She just won't ever be my type.

[gray_sailor]

No one denies the health consequences of obesity.

But the fact that someones health issue is on display for everyone to see, does not mean we all get the right to discuss it.

Large people have the right to live now, not at some future time when your approval is forthcoming.

[Accipiter]

@gray_sailor

We have the right to discuss whatever the hell we want. We still have a 1st amendment last time I checked. If someone a hideous fat ass, maybe some criticisms and health warnings will motivate them to get back in shape so they don't have to rely on you tax dollars to assure they live longer.

[gray_sailor]

Yes you are free to publicly make an exemplary ass of yourself. The constitution does not restrict you in this endeavor. Just thinking that if your grandmother had set you down as a little boy and taught you some tact and decorum, certainly then you would have made her proud to shame people you've never even met.

[musicbrain5]

@gray_sailor: The shaming goes in the opposite direction as well. Just replace the words "fat" or "obese" and "needs to lose weight or diet" with "anorexic, too skinny, needs to eat something and stop dieting". The only word that is a constant here is "unhealthy".

[gray_sailor]

@musicbrain5

Completely agree. Body image shaming is the common theme through these behaviors.

What has driven me nuts in this thread is that while I don't find thin women to be my personal preference, I don't feel the need to shame others into matching my preference.

Lots of the other guys (and some girls) in this thread lack a similar sensibility with regard to large women. Everyone has the job of refrigerator guard and negative motivational coach for fat girls I guess.

[dutchpride92]

So... you're only doing this because you wanna motivate people to "get healthy"? As if any girl would be heartbroken if they were not YOUR type :). I weigh 140 lbs, I lost lots of weigh in the last two months (don't exactly know how much I just know that I went down 4 dress sizes) and I didn't do it so I could be everybody's "type". I didn't do it to catch the eyes of men, and I didn't even do it for my husband (to him, I'm ALWAYS attractive whether I weigh 110 or 190). I did it for ME. I did it because I was sick of seeing fat rolls everytime I sat down. I did it because I wanted to fit a European size 36 (about a 4). Not for any stupid guy who uses the motivational excuse to let out his frustration on the internet. If you truly wanted to motivate people, you'd know that telling they have to be skinny to appeal to YOU is a big mistake.

[Accipiter]

@dutchpride92

That's great you've lost weight for your own cause. But like I said, a woman can be a plus size and still be beautiful. Heck I've known a few. If you wanna know, my type isn't skinny either, I prefer feminine curves. The only thing I really attacked in my statement is how obesity shouldn't be glorified in a mass fat-acceptance movement as obesity contributes to a shitload of medical problems that society struggles to pay for. Seeing how you are no longer obese and have improved yourself amazingly, I fail to see why you're acting all butt hurt

[QueenC]

I don't understand how society are scared to offend anyone by naming people 'fat' but find it perfectly fine to call people skinny and put down models that they class as 'skinny'. As there's a campaign called '#imnoangel' would it then be okay to make a campaign called #imnofatty? It works both ways.

[dutchpride92]

Sweetheart you may be too young to remember but there has been lots of fat shaming in the media for a very, very long time. And you completely missed the point of this campaign. VS made a "Perfect Body" campaign, with all the tall, thin models. That struck a nerve with some women, hence some women made this to show both thin and bigger women can and have the right to feel sexy and beautiful. by the way, you only have to open up a magazine and you'll see thin, pretty women like you everywhere (yes, you're a very beautiful girl I said it). I'm sure you have no shortage of male attention, and take a look at the reactions here. All guys hating on big girls. On the other hand, girls like me (I can't go below the 133 lbs mark without completely starving myself) feel like shit everyday because of our bodies.

[Nicolás25]

cdn.funnymemes.com/.../...real-men-have-curves.jpg

this is how retarded you and all this fat acceptance or curvy euphemism movement sound to us normal men who aren't chubby chasers and don't have a bbw fetish.

[DaveyYourFavey]

You do know that curvy does not mean fat?

[dutchpride92]

I prefer the guy on the left to be honest. At least he doesn't look like a plastic Ken-doll.

[Consultant]

LMAO! This is so perfect. I love this lol so good.

#FatAcceptanceFail

[RationalLioness]

The only one sounding retarded is the fool who missed the point of people feeling ashamed of themselves. Why dont we put YOUR ugly ass up there and see how you feel with zero support?

[CHARismatic110]

EVERYBODY deserves to feel beautiful. Period. Fat, curvy, fit, thin, skinny, muscular, chubby, tall, short, black, white, purple, blue and green. Nobody should be made to feel like less of a person or not beautiful because of the way they look. And idc what anyone has to say about it. It's not your preference? Fine. You don't need to bash something or someone to prove that. Agree to disagree and keep it moving. #stopbodyshaming

[GraySailorsBride]

Amen, Sister!!!^^^^

[gray_sailor]

Damn straight!

Preach it!

[CHARismatic110]

@GraySailorsBride @gray_sailor thank you guys!

[TripleAce]

It's a very noble way of looking at things and certainly would be very nice... but I wish ignorance was bliss, sometimes it's better that way

However, we are humans, an advanced species that have evolved for thousands of years and probably billions if you want to talk about real evolution

We have complicated tastes and preference... we also seem to have visual desires, such most humans would rather look at the color blue then red, it's just softer on the eye for a human, not just an individual person

Point of the all this, unfourtnatly, certain things look better than others and even if marketing wasn't pushing us that way, a human would still prefer symmetry, lean, and the smooth curves... just like the color blue

We don't have to like it BUT it doesn't make it less true

[Dandeus]

Nobody deserves to be made to feel like less of a person, but not everybody deserves to feel beautiful any more than everybody deserves to feel intelligent, artistic, athletic, etc. Just because you WANT to be something doesn't mean you ARE that thing. People are different, and not everyone can be everything.

And unlike something like intelligence, being overweight is a choice for all but a small handful of people with medical issues. If you want to feel good about yourself, do the work to improve yourself instead of trying to change the values of the rest of the world.

Being unhealthy by choice is NOT something that should become accepted.

[CHARismatic110]

I'm not debating if it's true or not, I'm simply saying that just because you don't like something doesn't mean you have to be rude about it. @TripleAce

[gray_sailor]

@TripleAce

You and a lot of guys on this thread are really having a hell of a time discerning what the issue is here.

Nobody is trying to persuade you of anything. This isn't about you. This is about large sexy women getting to feel sexy and men like myself agreeing with them.

We (men) who approve don't need to be a majority. The large women don't constitute a majority either.

By way of comparison, suppose we establish (hypothetically speaking) that 70% of men prefer women with blonde hair. Should we then shame and discount brunettes and redheads? Should we ignore other men's preferences? That obesity is a health issue is immaterial. Body size is still a preference.

[TripleAce]

@CHARismatic110

Yes agreed, thats true of course no one should be mean about it... but again just like credit scores, education, house, cars, money, bank account, attire, personality, how one carries themselves, first impressions!!

Are all judged on and in a world with over 5 billion people, we need social cues to make quick judgments in a fast pace overpopulated world... imagine getting to know every overweight person before you judge them... most will just think their lazy and don't care enough to make a quick thought process

People have bad credit and it's not their fault, but no one cares all they care about is you have bad credit... not everyone is successful but respect is measured by how much success you have

So based on all that, how can being rude on average... ever... really stop :/

But yes it should stop lol I agree :)

[TripleAce]

I guess what I'm trying to say is, instead of wanting others to Stop being rude, let's either change how we view it OR change the reason the rudeness is being projected to us

Or just accept its human nature... like eating and survival of the fittest

[LonelyLillie13]

why would you get down voted by 5 people wtf?

[dutchpride92]

This shouldn't get any downvotes... This was beautifully written. Every woman deserves to feel beautiful and no-one should get bashed for body-type. Well said.

[CHARismatic110]

@dutchpride92 thank you!

[Hephaestus]

I hate that this has to be a thing.
that a brand has to be set up in order to allow peeps of all sizes to feel sexy just being themselves... and not in the ever changing public opinion of "attractive"

if you feel sexy
and you're not damaging your health.

Then you're perfect!

[dutchpride92]

Well said. Thank you.