This is the most accurate, unbiased answer on here, by far.
"I actually find intellectual and emotional maturity attractive. " doesn't surprise me you dont find teen boys attractive because they have no maturity. Lol.For most men it works different though. Emotional maturity and especially intellectual growth are not things we primarily find attractive.
I'm assuming it's all physical attributes?
No. Innocence, little or no baggage, stuff like that. Having a clean slate is preferred to prior bad experiences.
And fertility. y'all have some time constraints in that area where we do not.
Ok yeah, I understand what you mean. I've heard that same thing from other men. Sorry about my assumption. And sorry to be blunt here but I'm genuinely curious.. do you think that having those standards might lessen your chance or limit you're options of finding someone that makes you truly happy and love? Or are those the things that will make you happy?
Why would it make it difficult to be truly happy or find love? I mean supply and demand sure its harder in that way but i dont think thats what you mean.
I was just honestly curious about your view or value you put on those things. Sorry I've just seen that people value more what someone does or doesn't bring to the table instead of valuing the actual person. But I got ya. Thanks
No. I think its opposite. You can like someone and be best friends but if they dont bring something to the table you will eventually resent them and its over. Its absolutely necessary to bring something to the table the other person values greatly or its pointless. Case in point i was like best best friends with this girl for months, amazing sex, she's hot... except she's not old but not young by my standards, been divorced and has a kid. So id never be happy with her ever. Period. I left her for my current girlfriend who we only known each other a week but she's 18 and was a virgin. There was zero future with the other girl, but this one has a super good chance.
@bamesjond0069 A woman does not need to find true love or get married in order to have a family. Once she hits 35 and is still single, she can definitely have kids for sure. If a woman truly wanted kids, she can always have children. Unlike men, if men do not find love there is a very high chance he will never be able to have kids
@bamesjond0069 And everyone is not a virgin nowadays. how do you think people are dating, if men only dated virgins? haha
@Arabella_Rose everyone at one time was a virgin. Seeing as i both am capable of attracting and willing to date a girl as young as 18, then i am able to choose to date girls that are virgins or at least extremely inexperienced. in my opinion its impossible to have an amazing relationship with a girl who has had lots of casual sex. Maybe its different for other people but i just dont personally find it possible to connect with girls like that. Like how can you be proud of that? And if im not proud of my girl I don't know how tf am i supposed to be in a relationship with her? Smh.
@bamesjond0069 nobody is a virgin nowadays. how do you think anyone is dating, if 95% of all women are no longer virgins?from reading what you are saying on here, you are just looking for a series of girlfriends for casual sex. There is no true love in any of your relationships.
@Arabella_Rose my girlfriend was a virgin... so I don't know what you're talking about. And yes, with non virgins im not interested in marriage or anything serious so you are in part correct.
@bamesjond0069 we are not talking about you. we are talking about the male population , in general. Nobody would want to date you anyways. You're not a decent guy
@Arabella_Rose the men who bother with non virgins for serious relationships are fucking morons.
@bamesjond0069Them's fightin' words..
y'all women love to say if you dont want me at my worst you dont deserve me at my best. But here's the mans side. If you dont want me at your best i dont want you at your worst. Thats how i feel. If a girl doesn't choose me when she's hot and young and is innocent why would i want her later? I just dont get it. I am genuinely confused becuase young women have a million things to offer and older women have essentially none i can think of anyways except they are desperate and will accept shittier men so i could let myself be a shittier person. But i bring the A game so i dont need that.
Hey It's cool man. I was just implying that you didn't have to be excessively mean about it. You have your own opinion and your own taste. There isn't anything wrong with that. I'm honestly not even personally insulted by your perspective. I just don't appreciate the dick move about calling other men fucking morons for not sharing your opinion.
@bamesjond0069 who wants to marry a man that would dump her once she hits a certain age? do you think this impresses any women? because reality is, there are other guys out there who love their wives so much that they can't live without them. This is why you're an INFERIOR GUY
@crazyish I've actually known this guy for a long time. He is a misogynists and just enjoys coming on here to bully women. He has no intentions of marrying anyone or taking anyone as a wife, since he secretly hates women. He only sees women as sex dolls.
@Arabella_Rose Definitely believe it, seeing how each time he responded was getting worse and worse towards women. I usually try to ignore these types but he was being a straight up twat.
@crazyish "I just don't appreciate the dick move about calling other men fucking morons for not sharing your opinion." The thing is most of them share my view to at least some degree except my problem with them is they are just so lazy they prefer to take the low hanging fruit instead of actually work a bit. Like this one guy i know had sex with his neighbor and then they are together but she's a train wreck with a ton of baggage. I asked why doesn't he get someone better and he said "because she lives next door". She spends his money like crazy on herself and her kids from another man and doesn't let him do his hobbies and stuff very much at all from when i met him. She goes out drinking on girls nights multiple times a week leaving her kids w him. WHY!!! Dude is too lazy to find a nice girl. Thats my problem with the dudes. he's a lazy piece of shit in my opinion. Trust me he likes hot young girls because he's always oogling my dates but he is just so needy can't be single he will cry and shit he might have to drive 20 min to see a girl. Wtf.
I don't mind baggage so long as it's not kids or illogical thoughts. Being sterile is a plus so that biological clock on fertility doesn't matter to me, Most guys hate being dads so I can't imagine they care either.Virginity is important to me for std safety reasons and fidelity reasons only, so if her sexual partner count was low (1-2), is currently zero, none resulted in kids, each was from a monogamous relationship that didn't pan out becaue they lied (instead of casual sex), and she can prove she is clean, then to me the outcome is the same as if a virgin (because I don't care if she has zero practice in bed so its just a saftey check and anti cheating insurance).Only thing I'd care about her "bringing to the table" is shared hobbies and interests. Being best friends is enough, I don't date for utility reasons. That said I don't date gold diggers either, so she can't be a lazy mooch who leeches off me unless she wants to be the houskeeper as her job.I also don't care about pride, just affection/love. she doesn't have to impress me.
@TheSpaceGnome so if she's your best friend why is that not enough? Like why would you marry your best friend? there's no additional benefit. Im just saying its super easy for a girl to price herself out of marriage where its not worth it. I get along "best friends" with plenty girls over the years... but that has zip to do with marriage. Why would i marry someone just because im friends or we have sex? Makes no sense. I dont want to marry my male friends nor do i want to marry girls i hookup with at the bar. Friends status and sex are not what make a marriage. Its more than that. This is why it doesn't surprise me how few people are getting married these days nor that most of the ones that do get divorced. Its fucking ass backwards. Love friendship sex are not sufficient. You literally have to have something tangible to offer or its most likely going to not get all the way or if it does it won't last.
@bamesjond0069 1. I'm not gay or bi, so in regards to male friends, the topic is moot.2. I don't think casual sex/hookups makes any sense to do from a safety perspective, so it's not something I have any interest in at all. I find the entire concept completely redarded honestly, why should I risk stds or unplanned pregancy with some random person who doesn't care about me? What a stupid waste of time that would be.3. Being my best friend and being attractive to me (and attracted to me), and sharing the same interests and hobbies (the latter of which is why we are even best friends in the first place), is enough to stick with her if she stays monogomous, it's as simple as that.Sorry, but love, friendship, exclusive sex, and having fun doing hobbies together is indeed enough to marry her. I'd be content/happy af fuck with just that. In fact those are requirements to even get sex from me at all. Otherwise they aren't worth fucking.
@bamesjond0069 Also it's hookups don't last, the type of relationship I mentioned I want are the only ones that do last.
@TheSpaceGnome sounds great. Good luck. Most people fail doing it like that.
@bamesjond0069 You and I have a very different idea of what failure is.
@TheSpaceGnome getting divorced would be failure. But you're also not typical. I don't know why would you get married if you dont want kids? If you're attractive to women you can get anything you want out of them and provide little to nothing in return. So thats why in my opinion i expect something substantial or how is she different than the 20 other girls I've talked to recently? Love is not enough because you can love whoever you want. Its mostly a conscious choice. So just love the one you want. But how do they earn that love? You seem to have almost zero requirements.
@bamesjond0069 1. Divorce is something that happens when people marry those they settle for instead of those they are compatible with, and on the off chance she lies about who she is for that long, it's only failure if I don't try to succeed with someone else.2. Getting married to someone or even having sex with them just to have kids is dumb and unfair to the kids, people should only have kids with people if they get along with well enough to stay together and be supportive parents, and marriage is for companionship and affection, not reproduction.3. Just because I'm cute doesn't make me a sociopath, I actually enjoy making a girlfriend happy.4. They earn love by giving it back, same goes for me, and no it doesn't matter who starts it, what matters is that it's perpetual.
@bamesjond00695. I have plenty of requirements:5a: She must be strait edge (non smoker, non drinker, doesn't use drugs)5b: I need to find her attractive physically.5c: She needs to be monogamous.5d: She needs to love science, sci-fi, fantasy, anime, dinosaurs, bugs, cats, difficult video games, and doing art/creative stuff.5e: She needs to be laid back and kind hearted, the altruistic type who doesn't fret over small things or turn molehills into mountains and prefers to fix problems rather than cast blame or argue.5f: She needs to have zero perminent infections.5g: She needs to be an atheist5h: She needs to not want kids, but she needs to be the comforting caretaker type, just incase it accidentally happens.5i: She can't be a gold digger.5j: She can't suffer from photosensative seizures (the sheer volume of rgb leds in tech in my home would kill her, and thats not counting the perpetual Christmas lights, nerd forge-ish projects, or my video games)5k: She needs to love me.by the way I basically just described a female version of myself.6. I really hope all 20 of those girls were complete assholes, otherwise pick one and leave the rest for other men. Being a player will just make you end up alone.
@bamesjond0069 Also a good chunk those requirements are already met to reach best friend status
I have a question for both of you men. These women that you prefer.. a virgin.. or.. a virgin/few partners.. I take it that you don't have sex with them until your serious about them correct?
No. I will still have sex with them whenever. Simply by being a virgin or very inexperienced that would be enough for me to really give them a good shot even if I don't initially like them like that. Like I would never not call back a girl if I took her virginity under any circumstance. I owe her the chance she "bought" so I would faithfully date her for a reasonable amount of time no matter what if she desired it. Alternatively I would wait if she asked me to because she's a virgin so duh. A virgin who also makes me wait is the pinnacle of sexual morals and would have my attention more than any other girl. But my bar isn't that high, so if she didn't make me wait, I would still continue to date her and see her as a top candidate. Except now she can't demand I marry her. A virgin can say, "No cookie till ring" where if she has sex quick in the process the virginity is still valuable but say I decide i don't click with her on something else as we get to know each other, thats her problem, she already gave away her most valuable possession. I can't do anything about that. And in my experience if a girl wants sex, and I don't give it to her, another man gladly will. So the days of gentlemanly "say no" are long gone. I've tried it in the past and its never actually worked. If a girl is ready for sex she's going to get it no matter what.
Now with a girl with some experience under her belt, sex is not special any more so instead of it being a gift like virginity is, its just a mutual exchange of pleasure and I owe her nothing from the experience. So if we didn't hit it off I don't need to call her back or give her a second date or anything. Also if she asks me to wait, I wouldn't stick around because it means she doesn't respect me or respect herself to ask such a thing. Like she would fuck a stranger at a club but she likes me so she doesn't want to fuck me? Bullshit. I would drop her ass that second. Or I would date a few times if I really want to hit it but as I said above its just mutual pleasure so no obligation. *Hint hint* notice the stark difference in how i treat women based off the woman? This is in my experience the main factor in whats known as fuck boy behavior. There are women out there saying I am the most perfect caring gentleman, as well as women out there saying I am a dirty nasty dog pumping girls and breaking their hearts. Its not me. I am not one or the other, I am both, and i am just reacting to whats in front of me.
I'm not going to bust your bubble and react with the truth about females or hell human nature in general because one day I truly believe you're going to figure it out on your own and if certain delusions bring you peace then hey that's awesome, I'm truly happy for you. But I will say that treating women like trash because of your perceptions of certain things being trash to you is not justified. It's not ok dude. Cool is not your thing then move along from those women but there is no reason to be a grade-A asshole and project your views onto them. Have some human decency. Destroying others to fit your image is distasteful and cruel, regardless of how good you treat some. That's just my opinion and you're obviously free to do as you please.
The assumption that I don't have sex with them unless I'm serious about them is correct.
@TheSpaceGnomeThat's very respectful and I'm honestly glad to hear that.
Also aside from oral and handjobs, I'm still a virgin myself, and i've only had that with one person so far.I've been stalked by I dunno how many women at this point, but less than a handful actually got intimite with me, and only one made it to that stage. it didn't work out because she wanted kids, and only went as far as it did because she initially said she couldn't have them instead of being up front about it.
If you or anyone else wants a tip, go after the guys with zero confidence around you, because if he's not nervous af about screwing up being with you, then he probably doesn't care if he loses you and you are just another fuck toy to him.
Wow people suck. Sorry she wasn't upfront. I don't respect liars or people who omit the truth. It's selfish to lie knowing that the other person is going to base their decisions on what someone says.. in all honesty it's taking away their choice. I appreciate the tip hun but a connection is needed for sex, either friendship or otherwise. I just don't take people at face value. It's been almost 8 months now and yeah I miss sex but random sex with a random dude sounds so unappealing and pointless. Plus I keep hearing that STDs being passed around are the norm these days.. that's just a big no thanks for me. One of my coworkers brothers spreads it knowingly without a heads up.. pretty sure that's illegal but I'm positive there's more like him. I'm honestly going to require a guy to take a test. I don't even care how insensitive that makes me, people lie.
Well thats disgusting, and yeah I agree, I always require std testing and friendship first, I just wish accurate fertility testing existed. My mom was told she could never have kids, and yet here I am.What my ex did was pretty mean honestly, after a handjob she tried to stealth deposit from fingers to vag, I noticed and caught it in time though, pulled her hand away before she could, ended the relationship right there after an argument.
"But I will say that treating women like trash..." im genuinely confused. When a woman sleeps with a stranger in a club bathroom and he doesn't marry her is he treating her like trash? But since i met her at a coffee shop im treating her like trash? Excuse me. But that just makes no damn sense. Obviously most men dont take women who fuck randos seriously. y'all women know this. Its not a secret. Be honest if you screw a rando at a club do you honestly think he might be your husband? Seriously.
I agree but it is difficult to be accurate considering all the different factors that are involved with the baby making process. Women's bodies and cycles are all different and unpredictable.Holy hell batman, people are ridiculous. Like wth honestly made her think that was acceptable?
I dunno why she did it, You would figure if she wanted a baby she would go for a guy who didn't tell her on day one that he doesn't want kids lol
Her excuse though was that only a son or daughter could love her unconditionally, which honestly is a crock of shit (most kids hate their parents).
Also I wish adam west was still alive so I could get to see him reprise his role as batman, but with the mind of mayor west from family guy, because that would be fucking hilarious.
Umm thats a terrible reason to have kids.. never have them for selfish reasons. She's cracked man, you dodged a bullet.Wait.. he's mayor west from family guy? Well was, I should say. Do you think that was mostly him or the writers? And wouldn't he be too old to do batman properly anyway?
Yeah after that I became quite a bit less trusting, initially I figured no one would do something like that.And yes, he played the old blue and grey batman, and it was mostly him from what I remember as far as the weird shit he said in family guy, and yes he was too old to play batman at that time, but thats kinda the point, and old, crazy batman would be funny af.
Yep, I do believe we all start out naive, some more than most, like me lol. But we all end up not being able to trust anyone.. it's actually really sad.I never saw the old blue and grey batman. It would definitely be hilarious with that kind of sense of humor though. One of my favorite skits from family guy is when Peter is at KFC asking for the colonel😂 gets me everytime! Probably even funnier if adam west wore his old batman suit!!!
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The average bmi of a female is 30. Thats obese.there's a reason this will be the most single generation ever in the history of humanity: Nobody's attractive.
Whos cared whats obese, mind your business. Your attitude is unattractive.
don't most men start getting bald in their 30s and 40 and most are fat
Celebrities are not good representative their picture are edited they wear makeup and surgery
meh maybe some, but irl i find every day older men attractive, i’m not talking about just celebrities
@milkcry nice to lol
I don't find guys guys over 34 to be attractive. 35 is usually the end of a man's prime. Unless you have an old man fetish, you won't find them to be hot.
So if ure most attractive rn why aren't women ur age trying to find a guy who is 30 rn, instead of waiting till they are 30 themselves
Im only talking about my personal preference
I just left a post where all the girls said they liked men 30-50 since they were as young as 15 years old xD. So why aren't u trying to get married rn. So u and him will be of the most desirable ages
because thats not realistic right now for me ok
Yeah well when u turn 30 it won't be realistic for guys that aren't 55-60 to marry u.
Who said i wanted to marry at 30? You dont know my situation right now, you can't assume. Plus its a fact that most women like men who are slightly above their age range that doesn't mean 15 year olds should marry men in their 30s, just let it be
U dont understand that if u "just let it be" ull be single and will die alone
We live in an era of lust. That lgbt slogan love is love? It meant lust is love. So go ahead and pretend like all things will be the same as they were for ur parents. Nope. Ull die alone.
Are you actually retarded, Im saying for my situation RIGHT NOW that is outside of ur understanding i am not able to/dont want to get married, and i said let it be as in let women decide for themselves why tf do u want to pressure someone. Just because its an era of lust doesn't mean women should get married off when they hit their teens goddamn
Or else ure literally going to die alone. No 30 year old men ever wanted to marry an aging out 30 year old woman. They did that cause they were brought up to be that way. Ull be single forever. Enjoy ur traveling
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Holy shit you’re retarded
So ur a pedo huh
Just imagine ur age as a penis size. Rn u have a penis size of 7. By 25 ur penis will be 4.5 inches. By 30 it will be 2 inches. And by 35 it will be micro
I bet u have a micro dick
I bet ull realize how unsatisfactory ur penis size is when ure 25 and dudes are going after the 10 inch 15 year olds (im not a pedo im just a prophet)
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men are most physically attractive in their late 20s-early 30s. Men are most attractive career wise 35-45, only if he does have career success. Not all men are successful.
And not all women are sexually attractive even not with 16yo
Men's physical attractiveness peaks in early 30s. Any thing after that goes into a downward spiral. 34-35 is when metabolism slows down, balding starts to occur, weight gain, aging skin, wrinkles. If you don't find weight gain and wrinkles on women attractive, don't expect women to find weight gain or wrinkles on a man to be attractive. There are some men in their mid to late 30s who look younger but this is not for most men
i find men to be most attractive late 20s- early 30s
Tastes vary, but I think that statement captures what the majority opinion is.
Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conway-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.www.psychologytoday.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage
I've seen those figures and polls, but there is a lot going on there.One thing is that who you are most attracted to and who you want as a partner are not necessarily the same.
@RingOfFire Usually its the older men who want the much younger women. But these much younger women just don't crave old men. Women tend to like men just a few years older, not much older.
My ex was 27 years younger than me. Is that much younger?
I doubt you had an ex that was 27 years younger. Many men on here lie about such things to boost their ego
who the hell dates a man so old that he can't even fuck anymore?
How did you get so bitter?
But thats the truth, ain't it?
No it's not.
Of course. You just said that men are hotter at 89 than at 29. why would anyone believe you?
Are you talking to me? You can't be because I never said anything even remotely close to that. Sound like you need to put words in my mouth so you can be angry at me or something. Very weird.
i think you're the one who is angry which is why you're a misogynist.
You manufactured things that you fantasize that I said when I said nothing even close and then you used that fantasy to find some crazy reason to be bitter towards me and imagine that I am a misogynist. WTF! That's just plain CRAZY! 🤪 I would recommend psychological therapy.
You're the one who is bitter on here. Your passive aggressiveness is extreme. Not to mention your blatant obvious lies to slander women.
Whatever you say honey. 🤪
you're 66, when are you going grow up? you're living proof that some people do not mature with age.
Maturity isn't everything you know. There is a lot to be said for immaturity. 😉
Well its no wonder you're still single and unmarried at 66. No woman would be able to stand your attitude and lack of respect.
I think you have a crush on me.
I think the statement "Are single men over the age of 35 damaged goods?" applies to you perfectly.
Yep! It's a crush! 😍
I guess it hurts too much for you to admit it right? hahaI'm sorry
Well at least I got a laugh out of you instead of the grunts.I've been around. I know a crush when I see one. 😎
You also know that you've been around long enough that women no longer find you physically attractive anymore.
I wasn't aware of that. But thanks for letting me know.Have to run to go cry. Feel free to PM me if you miss me later. 😉
Of course you're not aware of that. You haven't been on a date in the past 35 years.
And some people have never been attractive at any age so it’s all relative!
I don't know my classmates look better than professor
@Yyyyu Looks don't matter as much to men. Looks are mostly all a woman needs. Men tend to need money, confidence, maturity, and stability in their lives (as well as being tall). Most young men lack these things, and women don't find them as attractive for relationship material.
I mean they usually have more potential and they will live longer since women actually live more than men. won't old men retire before you and get ill? Young men will be old after some years so you can grow with him
And girls also relate way more with guys around their age. which is always plus
I like good looking guys old men usually are fat and bald. I mean for example this guy he is 21 year old he is really good looking and in med school he is not rich not but he would be in future. guys like him are more my type. Smart and potential and you can grow with him
most women nowadays are not looking to marry for money because we can make our own money. We need a guy who we are physically attracted to and also financially stable. By this we don't mean you need to be rich, you just need a steady job and decent income. Not all of us are gold diggers.
@Arabella_Rose kinda true if he is not attractive and most make enough for themselves it is better to live alone
That's more like late 50's for most men.
@zagor Not the ones I've seen. Many of them look much older.
Stop hanging out with cons and methheads and stick to people who take care of themselves.
And some men are born ugly af do it doesn’t matter how they age
@Needtovent I don't agree guys around my age are most attractive
@Yyyyu the point I’m making is that if you’re unattractive, you’re going to be unattractive at any age right? Especially for men.
I just looked at your age. I find 21 year old men to be like babies so I guess it’s all about perspective.
i don't think thats always true. Men look best late 20s- early 30s
Women dont usually date for peak physical beauty though. An older man with money, power and wisdom is often more attractive than a younger man even if the younger man was better looking.
And that plays a role in what they determine is attractive. For example girls have been going crazy over my gray hair thats really starting to come in. I wouldn't say gray is ideal but in a younger crowd when teen girls are rubbing my beard and touching me while ignoring a good looking 20 year old maybe gray hair is what they determine to be attractive.
@bamesjond0069: So in other words a gold digger? You claim you are a millionaire on this site before so that's probably why they are all over you.The ugly reality is physical attractness matters to both genders whether they admit it or not, and once you reach pass a certain age and you don't have good genetics, you begin to look old and like 💩Besides, the fact once we start to get older and pass our primes are general energy levels aren't the same, sexual drive isn't the same. Youth is the glory, not has beens. I know it sucks but it's the harsh reality for literally everyone.
@bamesjond0069 those women don't find those rich old men attractive there is reason why so many mens complain about cheating and dead bed room
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy I honestly see nothing wrong with older men using their money to date younger women. It’s only bothersome when they start to get angry, misogynistic and complain about how these women only wants them for their money, or how they might cheat on them with younger guys. If you wanna play the game don’t bitch about the rules.
@Dali-chan: You don't use materialist to attract. Either you're with the person from the heart or not.
its late 20s- early 30s for men.
Also, men age like fine wine and women age like milk. Take it for what you think it's worth.
Like everyone should