I've heard some people say this. My stance is HELL NO!
News flash: you can be proud of something about yourself but that doesn't mean that it alone should define you.
This remains a male-dominated society (American society). And men seem to be biologically, visually stimulated. That stimulation appears to lead them to see women as walking vaginas on a biological level. However, this is all irrational.
On a rational level, men have always had the freedom to dress as they want. They can run around topless, as if their walking around shirtless isn't visually stimulating to women. Of course it is. But if women do the same, because it HAS NOT been a cultural tradition, it is seen ONLY as a sexual invitation. Whereas, no shirtless man thinks the practical shedding of a shirt in hot weather or at the beach or pool is a sexual invitation to women.
Though, in effect, it IS an invitation for women to objectify them and their fitness level, it is mostly about THEIR COMFORT.
This would be the same for women to be able to go topless. Sure SOME of it would be showing off to invite ogling. Especially among young women with perfect bodies to attract similarly fit young men.
But women want the same freedoms to be topless or skimpily clad as men. Fat, hairy men have paraded around in Speedos and snug swimsuits since the 1920s. Though this was initially a Euro phenom, it happens everywhere now.
If I were topless, I would expect to be looked at. Just as you'd expect so at a nudist camp. You're baring parts seldom or never seen. People will look.
Only the exceptionally naive will complain. I've been to nude beaches. I looked at the nude people, but I knew to be polite. That's what it is all about GOOD MANNERS.
“ On a rational level, men have always had the freedom to dress as they want.”
Men have never been allowed to dress in any clothes they want to. You act like boys and men haven’t had the crap kicked out of them for wearing women’s clothing. They have for a long time and still very much are.
@Agagagagaga I'm not talking about wearing WOMEN's clothing. I'm talking about either being bare chested or not. We're talking about MODEST dressing vs. being bare and exposing yourself, which is the normal yardstick of "sexy" dressing for women. Not about WEARING the particular clothes you want, but about BARING skin and dressing skimpily.
I see @Screenwriter has been kissing the bot's shiny tin-plated ass again to get the bot choice.
@Daniela1982 You think I know how and why the bot chooses me? I don't... No ass, shiny or otherwise to kiss Miss D!
I know that. That is because that sneaky Bot chooses the A1 choice when no one chooses the 2 most helpful. It chooses the 2 most helpful and throws in its own A-1 Bot Choice. Now when someone does choose the 2 most helpful there is never any A-1 Bot choice. I never choose MHO anymore as more people get Xper points if I don't.
I voted yes... I mean if you're purposely dressing in a way to and in order to get attention, then shut the fuck up when you get the attention. It's not the ugly guy's fault that it drew his attention first! It's fucking your fault! Feel what I'm saying there? I mean if anything, take pride in your success. You're getting exactly what the whole point was about... just not from the guy you didn't want it from.
Like I dress for hiking and long travel, so I'm comfortable even if I get stuck in a mall walking around because I'm stuck with a chick. When I lift weights I wear close to nothing or just the baggiest shorts I can find... preferably thin. The purpose is comfort there but if I dress like that and go in public... who's being the retard if I'm getting pissed that people start staring at me while they lick their lips? I'd be the retard right?
So if you dress like a hooker and someone starts to treat you like a hooker... what? Did you expect to get treated like a dignitarian while dressed up like a hooker with clown makeup on? Like really?
I'm not slut shaming here because I love actual sluts. They dress like a slut, act like a slut, and when I walk up to them, they're total sluts. They advertised as such and got treated like a slut. It's not going to make anybody's day better if a prissy holier than thou chick dresses up like a slut and then rips into me and gets all but hurt and tries to hurt my feelings because she expected to be treated like a nun while she looks like someone about to swing around on a pole in a club while it's 30 degrees fahrenheit outside. Not my fucking problem... put on some clothes. You don't see me wearing full body armor with a workout weight vest just to spend the day at the beach... and if you did, you probably would assume some shit too. <---Just fucking be real about that shit.
Yes, I find it hypocritical (just like I find it hypocritical if a guy shows off his wealth and then gets angry when women he attracts only want him for his money).
If you have not met somebody and are only basing your perspective on that person based on first glance (before ever speaking to them), you WILL profile them.
You will look at how they are dressed, how they walk, height, weight, hair, skin, shape, what they wear, what financial "class" they may belong towards. We all do it to some degree within the first 15 seconds of actually focusing on somebody (some more than others).
Women do it all the time on beaches, when they see a nice chiseled guy working out and he runs his hand through his hair as he drinks a bottle of water and you can see his defined features in the sunlight with water running down his pecks. I've personally seen it many times out here in California, but the women try to be more hidden about it.
All this being said, physically hot and fit women are going to be seen as sexual objects, if they dress in skimpy clothes that were only designed to attract attention. A "buff" girl or "butch" or "fat" girl will not be seen as a sexual object.
The guys that are "celebrating" the beauty of the female body are celebrating the hot bodies that generally try to attract partner based on their looks. They want attention, not conversation. They aren't walking around with a home cooked meal or their resume.
Disclaimer: Revealing clothes to me isn't a bikini at the beach, but rather tube skirts or other type "mesh clothing" that are so revealing, I can see the edge of your nipples and can see the edge of your lower "lips".
do you know the connection behind "objectification" and girls wearing revealing clothes?
i will tell you why...
we live in a very patriarchal culture where a woman's self-worth is completely based on her looks. Without looks or sexiness, a woman is worth NOTHING in our culture. And we can see this by "objectification" in our media, which was very popular in the 1990s-2000s. Half-naked women in bikinis on billboards, bus advertisements, movie theater posters, commercials. Think about all the little kids seeing that. Is that even appropriate for young children?
This is why girls grow up into their teenage years developing eating disorders which was also very common in the 1990s-2000s. Anorexia / bulimia is significantly more common in men than women. why? because objectification in our media is telling girls that her looks are the only thing that matters. When you have women who look absolutely perfect in bikinis being worshipped by the media, this makes girls think that she must have the perfect looks in order to be seen as the ideal female.
This is why so many girls wear jeans so tight that they can barely walk. Its because they grew up being brainwashed to believe that her sole worth is tied to how many men turn heads to look at her ass.
Then why do most men say they want a woman who has motherly instincts and has a good heart?
It's most of the time women who base their value only on looks and their body. If you can't give a man something else than your body then what is he supposed to do with you.
A man will sleep with a good looking woman but he won't keep her if she has nothing of worth for him. If her behavior is generaly rude then she's a bad mother and his children are at risk.
@RiseofArtemis
Its not women who chose to base their self worth on their looks or hteir body. Like I have said over and over again in my answer to this question it is PATRIARCHAL MEDIA that bases a woman's self worth on her looks. This is a teaching to young boys and girls who grow up learning that a woman's self worth should be on how attractive she is. These little boys and little girls grow up into adults HOLDING THE SAME MENTALITY.
Do you really think men don't care about looks? take a look at how many men in their 40-50s on here who talk shit about older women while insisting they're only willing to date a woman 15-30 years younger than them. Its time to stop the lies and face the facts.
by the way, men usually do not place much importance on their wives being good mothers. I have known plenty of married women who are incompetent or terrible mothers. My own mother , who was very much adored by my father, was a terrible abusive mother. My father was also extremely abusive. Men like to say they like to marry a woman who would make a great mother, but in reality, they always marry the woman who they are the most intrigued by or in love with. Men don't always fall in love with amazing mothers. They really do not.
There is a big difference between what men say they want versus what actually ends up happening in life.
Men want young women because those can have the healthiest children. Between the age 20 to 25 is the best age to have healthy children. The older you are the more problems there are. by the age of 40 you are better off to not even try to have a child. You would harm your future child that way if you do as the risks are way too high for it.
People need to understand that we shouldn't put children to too late in life, it will only harm them.
@RiseofArtemis
I don't think you realize women prefer young men too. I'm not attracted to white hairs, wrinkles, erectile dysfunction, muscle loss, saggy balls. There is an evolutionary reason for it: young men produce healthier offspring. If you think you're gonna attract more young women in your 40s-50s instead of in your 20s-30s. Think again.
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If they wear revealing clothing but then complain about getting attention, then yes, it's hypocritical. They should expect attention. It seems like revealing clothing welcomes attention. And why not? Women are beautiful. They are a joy to behold in all their glory. But I don't call that objectification.
It could be said that to observe anything is to objectify it. And if all we are doing is looking at a stranger without knowing anything about them, all we can do is assess and appreciate. Looking isn't objectifying. It's treating someone like an object that is demeaning.
I admire women who are comfortable in their own skin and celebrate their God-given beauty. I encourage them to walk with pride in whatever clothing they find attractive and/or comfortable as long as they realize that their looks will be admired.
BUT, it's not hypocritical to complain about certain kinds of attention like rudeness, stalking, not taking no for an answer, or touching. Some behavior is unacceptable.
It’s not hypocritical, because everything in these situations is a matter of degree. I think the big thing women have to do is just understand when an outfit is appropriate and when it isn’t. If you’re going to a veteran’s day parade wearing booty shorts, a tight tank top and “forgot” your underwear and bra; you’re probably gonna get stared at. Not because what you're wearing is sexy, but because you’re at a fuckin day time parade with children, and yet you look like you’re trying to entice men to give you children.
Its a problem because men have the tendency to objectify women regardless of what they are wearing... you could be wearing a burka and still be objectified. The issues' what a person is wearing, the problem is blaming the actions of men on women because of what they are or are not wearing.
Oh and for the men talking about biology... it actually has way more to do with society, nudity is widely accepted in other countries and cultures, but in America women are so extremely objectified and over sexualized that, something as normal, natural and nurturing as breastfeeding makes some people uncomfortable because they cannot fathom the body of a woman being used for something other than sexual pleasure.
No. Unless you're not okay with people looking, because people Will look. You'll get more catcalled than usual and attract way more horny men. I think you should be mentally prepared when you decide to go out dressing a certain way. It's fucked up, but that's the world we live in.
Of course not. I like to use clothes that show off my form. I pretend that I don't know that a certain shirt enhances my pecks, but I do.
Do I feel good with it? Sure. Do I like the occasional looks? Sure. Do I want to just be tagged a brute? No.
People are not one dimensional. That much should be obvious.
Of course we must know that morons in this life exist that will use what someone is wearing as an excuse to be a dick. But that's all it is. An excuse to behave like a retard.
If they're deliberately going out half naked in public and then go, "Omg, this dude is looking at me, grossss", then yeah, I do think it's hypocritical. If you're worried about being stared at, then maybe don't wear things that are clearly gonna draw attention to you.
Wear the revealing stuff and tell those haters to eat their hearts out! Watch them whine and beg, then laugh in their faces.
I love looking at women, but I don't harass them.
The problem is that incels don't understand, if they ever figure out how to become men, they will have the advantage.
People wear what they want. The wearer isn't doing it to have people stare and judge.
I heard a preacher say that women should not be wearing revealing cloths or cleavage. It's creating a temptation. WRONG! why was the preacher staring and thinking of temptation? It's not the clothes wearers fault the person looking is thinking of sexual thoughts.
@havthrills. Idiot. The Preacher recognizes basic human nature.
@KrakenAttackin so why was the preacher horny for her and blaming her?
It depends the extent I refuse to believe showing half of your boob and half of your ass in public places your asking for it plus girls know guys are gonna do that if their showing off their parts to where u can see half of them and yet they do it anyway and rant about it and cry when it's their own fault it's society and it's obvious it was gonna happen they did it anyway when they knew full well that men easily get stimulated especially when they see your whole body and your basically naked of course any guy is gonna get indecent thoughts or give a few glances it fucking a common sense yes there is body confidence but not to that extent
There's a line of decency yes. And usually the ones that have thier ass hanging out are the ones that complain the loudest. What they're trying to do is quite obvious. I I just laugh and roll my eyes. If that's what the need to feel like somebody then fine. 🤣
If she is wearing pasties and a thong at the mall she probably should not be shocked at being objectified, but except in extreme contexts like that, no. Women should not have to wear potato sacks in public in order to avoid catcalls and harassment.
Yes. Women always want to have their cake and eat it. Imagine if guys were constantly rubbing sixpacks in your face and then shaming you for noticing. That is women.
@pot8o. Exactly.
If you are talking about the beauty of a female body, how can it be beautiful with enough ink on it to print a set of Enclyclopedia Britannica's?
Women know that when a guy sees an attractive woman in revealing clothes, the guy has prurient thoughts. So, to wear revealing clothes is explicitly encouraging that, with no right to complain when it happens.
You can appreciate someone's beauty and sex appeal without objectifying them.
And by objectifying, I mean actively viewing someone as just some bitch to fuck. But if women wear revealing clothing, it will make sense if people get aroused; they just need to be respectful about it.
In Iran they definitely think this medieval way
Celebrate it at home or with your husband in private, you do not need to be a cheap female or a h*e to celebrate your female body...
Yes, and i don’t think we agree on what “objectification” really is.
Revealing may just be so…because of climate and her comfort levels too…like in summer…I’m not gonna wear long clothing
The best clothing for summer is wide and light clothing. Tight clothing or clothes that show your full skin to the sun are not a good idea if you want to stay cool. Wide clothes create shadow, tight clothes heat up and transfer the heat directly to your skin.
@RiseofArtemis I wasn’t talking about tight…short clothing keeps me cool…
Long clothing doesn't imply warm, it just implies coverage. You can still be "cool" in long clothing, just depends on the material, or the type of clothing (long flowy skirt, will still be very cool, especially if there's a breeze)
Exactly my point. I'm saying long can still cover a lot, BUT, still be sheer
Both serves the same purpose: to get some attention.
I see no conflict here.
I don't see anything wrong with celebrating the female body
Pride comes before the fall. When you indulge too much in it you will destroy yourself.
You dress like that for attentation, then don’t complain for the attention
I think its totally fine for women to do that, but don't get upset when men check them out.
They're wearing that clothing with the aim of being objectified by guys they find attractive.
Half naked and they get upset men are looking. Yep that would be
@angeloflight258 define objectifying.
Yes, I think so but could be wrong
uumm not sure really
i kinda expect guys to look if im showing skin
Yea ok sure
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