Why won’t girls talk about things such as “red pill” or anything where guys try to understand women better?

[Kaazsz]

So I notice that girls really hate the idea of red pill or any other idea where men try to teach eachother how to become attractive to women.

The usual reply is “we are women, we are not a hive mind.”

Based on my experiences, yes you are. Let me explain why, from my perspective.

I was abused heavily as a child. Had zero female interaction my whole life. Obviously, I failed miserably with women.

Well let me tell ya, ALL women I have come across, now that I have gone great lengths to learn and to change myself so that I could finally get some female attention, have responded WONDERFULLY to it.

I went from being ignored and discarded by women, to nowadays, where girls are constantly trying to talk to me. Trying to touch me. Find reasons to hug me. Act girly as hell around me. Flirt with me constantly.

I FEEL LIKE I HAVE A NEW LIFE. It feels amazingly good to finally have so many girls be interested in me.

Girls, there really is something to your sexuality. And there’s definitely some universal traits that us guys really want to learn to understand.

Us guys, we want to do what will get us YOU. We want YOU. And we will do ANYTHING that we believe will get us more of YOU.

I’m not saying red pill or whatever is correct. But it helps guys who are clueless find a clue. And I see that most girls become very angry about this. You take offense to it. You hate your own sexuality. You hate that we can read some books and learn how to attract you and make you want us. And it works. It worked for me. It’s worked for many guys.

So what’s the problem? Don’t you want men to be attractive? Or would you rather have losers and incels populate the earth? Obviously not right? So why be so angry when losers and incels actually learn how to become men that women want. Become those men. And then Get women.

You think it’s fake. I suspect. But it’s not. A man must truly change to become good with women.

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They won't talk about it for many reasons.

Firstly they have no idea what to tell you. One of the girls here said "treat her like a human being and have good hygeine". The "good hygiene" part always makes me laugh, because you'd have to be a complete retard to approach women and not be clean/smelling good. I understand that some retards do that, but most guys aren't looking to be advised to shower and brush their teeth. That's ridiculous. As well, treating her like a human being is also obvious. It also doesn't help you. So other than that yeah, they have no idea.

Secondly they assume that any advice given to you must 100% have to do with wanting to manipulate them and play games with them for selfish reasons, not that you just want to know how to become a more attractive guy and find a nice girlfriend. This is somewhat understandable because players exist and there are guys who do that, but it also doesn't make sense to assume that this is the case all the time.

It's almost never a good idea to ask women for dating advice for the above reasons. They'll almost never have a proper conversation with you about it. You're better off talking to other men. I mean it's also mostly men who read into what women want and really try to figure things out, mainly because we're the ones who generally have to pursue women. Women don't have to think about any of that deeply, they can just sit and wait for a guy. Or at least they think that they don't have to because they're mostly passive in the dating game. Perhaps they'd be better off if they did read up on this stuff then maybe they wouldn't get played by players and have such a hard time finding and keeping a decent man, but especially while they're young and have a ton of options they don't bother. Only men do.

That's why their advice will also confuse the fuck out of you because they always want to act like everything's completely random and that things "just happen", because that's how they think and it's how things happen for them.

There's no one thing you can do to get every single girl interested which is what I think all of these "we're not a hive mind" women are trying to tell you, there are traits that are universally attractive and which will help you to become attractive to a higher number of women and higher quality women. Traits such as confidence, high self-esteem, assertiveness, ambition, a strong sense of identity etc. I don't think anybody could argue against that, and that if you lack those traits and you develop them you'll attract more women without the need to be manipulative.

[FreshOutaIdeas]

"they have no idea what to tell you".

Precisely. As I've said to OP, women follow the lead of men, and if he really wants to learn or "nitpick" aspects of female nature, he simply needs to interact with them.

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@FreshOutaIdeas

Yeah I think a lot of guys get stuck on this where they're always looking to try to get their advice from women.

[FreshOutaIdeas]

And as we both know full well, guys like OP wind up on the proverbial neverending roundabout, ad-nauseum! Female nature is a funny thing, men over the ages have spun many a tale of women being from Mars, and yet in all that confusion, men have failed to realise how fundamentally simple women are at root!

[FreshOutaIdeas]

The first fundamental flop in your question right off the bat is that your still looking for female approval.

The whole "Red Pill" thing should teach you that women follow men, not the other way around. Become the best version of yourself, and then become even more confident in extolling those manly virtues for all the world to see. Not only will you then influence other guys to become better versions of themselves, but you'll also influence women positively too, as they'll be more attracted to your virtues.

Then when you cherry pick a fine woman who's suited to you, watch as she learns and molds into a complimentary aspect of you. *THEN* is when you can start talking to her and other girls about the Red Pill.

[Kaazsz]

I know I’m not supposed to bother.

But in my mind perspective is king. If I truly understood the female perspective, combined with red pill, and other views, I would have the truest understanding.

I want to understand the female perspective as best I can. I’m just trying to pick it out of them but by bit because obviously they can’t tell us much.

[FreshOutaIdeas]

If you actually digest what I've written you'll see I'm outlining female nature. The best way to learn the female perspective is to improve yourself, and women will follow. your lead, as I said. And no, asking a female really is pointless, women instinctually know what they both want and need, but you'll be hard pressed to find a woman that can intellectually and verbally articulate what that is. You need to spend more time persuing women to find out the nuances for yourself.

[Kaazsz]

I’m definitely experiencing them following my lead. And I’m getting better as time goes on.

Maybe you can help me with my biggest Problem.

I have memories, since very young, like 5 years old, and many more through my life, of being taught that men are dogs. That women see us as annoying sexual harassers, desperate for pussy and stuff like that.

It’s so deeply ingrained in me though, that I’m having trouble crossing that sexual line. I could approach and talk to girls all day, easy as pie. But that conditioning gives me such anxiety I can’t function sometimes.

But when I do it, the results are ALWAYS positive. Girls will change the way they act around me in a damned instant, and become flirty and girly as hell. So I know logically it’s OK. Also a demonstration as you said, of them following my lead.

But Jesus it’s hard to get over that conditioning I have and it’s deep.

Part of why I want to know the female perspective, is because I want to believe, truly, not just logically, but truly, with feeling and emotion and all that comes with a true belief, that women really do want me to flirt and pursue them sexually.

But deep down I’m having the hardest time overcoming this. I feel like once I overcome this, I’m going to be a fuckin Casanova with females. I’m so close, but this really holds me back.

[Kaazsz]

For example, one girl, she’s the hottest female I ever even touched before. She flirts with me constantly. And even though I flirt back, that social conditioning rears it’s head, and makes me shy away from flirting with her and being sexual. Even though she loves it and amps it up more when I do it. That fear deep down is still so intense, that even with this girl I’m very comfortable with, it can be hard to cross that sexual line even though for us it’s the norm.

I’m unaffected by this in a relationship. It’s only when it’s a girl I’m not “with.”

[Kaazsz]

I guess ultimately I fear being seen as a sexual dog, a potential rapist and stalker. Stuff like that. And I just can’t get that out of my head. It’s holding me back. A lot.

[FreshOutaIdeas]

Your fear is wholly *IRRATIONAL* and only seeks to undermine the authority of your masculine identity. Women want, and in fact *NEED* to be sexually "hunted" down. If the girl you mentioned is egging on your sexual advances (and by virtue your sexual manhood), then you simply cannot get any better form of *CONSENSUAL* green lighting for her interest in you.

The more you indulge in such self-destructive-self-cockblocking, the more weak and genuinely inept you'll come across as being. Side note: ineptitude has little do with how much (or little) sexual experience a man has.

[Kaazsz]

Uhg I know you’re 100% right and it kills me that it’s so difficult to get over. Hopefully with time I’ll get there lol. I’m happy with my results so far tbh. Just not happy with this sticking point I have.

[FreshOutaIdeas]

The only way to do something is to just do it. Think of how good her body feels on yours, how warm and comforting it is... It'll just drive you towards getting intimate with her regardless of psychological conditioning. Instinct always wins out lol.

[Kaazsz]

Thanks i will try that.

[Anonymous]

From my experience, those sorts of things have several problems. First, many of them tell guys that the way to get female attention is to be a jerk, or a liar. Or both. Alternately, some of them just state things that are completely obvious, like "be a decent excuse for a human being" or "be able to take care of yourself and have basic personal hygiene" and present it as some novel concept, while also presenting it as if women are completely shallow and unreasonable for wanting things like that.

And no one wants to date someone who treats them like they're just a game. There is no magic formula to forming real human connection.

And no. We don't have a hive mind. There are just certain basic things that I think everyone wants, like to be treated like a human being. The reason that girls don't like when they find out that you're treating them the way you do because of some "red pill" thing, is because that doesn't teach you how to view them as humans. It teaches you how to pretend you do.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Girls are against the red pill because the red pill says that they are all evil, self centered, gold digging bitches that are never worth a real relationship with. Not because it teaches guy to understand women. I my opinion it gives out a very wrong idea of them.

[Pulimuli]

Only one problem

You are born attractive or not

Has nothing to do with some retarded behaviour that con artists try to sell desperate men