What do attractive women see in the average guys?

[NicholasRedone]

I'd count myself amongst the average or below average guys lol 😋👀 lol 💯❤️‍🩹👍🏻😎 ah well. I don't know what they're seeing "in the likes of us" 😁

[ShellyB]

There are just other more important factors. Now I will say, I wouldn’t want to be completely unattracted to a guy I would date. But as long as he’s average looking and physically fit, things like that, it is OK, I am a lot more interested in how he treats people, if he is good to be around, if he makes me feel appreciated and safe, if he is ambitious and has goals and is working to make his goals a reality. I would rather date someone like that than a great looking guy who does not have those traits. JMO!

[NicholasRedone]

The deal-breaker though - the honeymoon phase - could you still be his lol if he's not "driven" - driven to do the basics, yet not someone who's cough aspirational for a mansion / bigger home * cough

[NicholasRedone]

Its always intriguing to me like dating shows on tv shows who lasts and who doesn't last + and if any couple lasts. After all, life is a highway lol 😄😆

[Anonymous]

Women notice handsome men... but, we're also able to build attraction through forming an emotional connection. It's our superpower... a superpower I wish men also had! 😂

I could see a zero and through time and EQUAL effort... he'll turn into a ten. Kind of like beauty and the beast.

Just don't get this confused with a woman that gets with an "average" guy for his money.

[blueonblack22]

It’s true that women are able to build a emotional bond with men who might be average looking otherwise. It’s also true that they are better at doing this then men are.

With that said women also have a much HIGHER and stringent barrier to entry when it comes to dating. An average looking guy has to be completely on his game and has little/no room for error. In fact successful average looking guys absolutely must have very strong self control around women. They must literally assume they don’t have any romantic chance with the attractive woman and just treat her like a bratty sister or something. They have to act like the don’t care at all if she’s attracted to him or not (but trust me they absolutely do worry about that)

They also have to be very talented at some quality and charming along with it. They HAVE to be funny to pull this off. Have to be chill. Have to be confident and minimalize any signs of insecurity.

If an average looking guy just makes one mistake i. e. makes a badly timed sexual comment/joke he’s toast. He’s literally got no room to give off the “creep vibe”. None.

[msc545]

@blueonblack22 Also, I think average-looking men tend to develop other traits more quickly and extensively mainly out of a need to succeed with very attractive women. Things like a sense of humor, material success, etc. Becoming very successful and wealthy will attract women in droves regardless of how a man looks.

[Opinion Owner]

@msc545 Sense of humor... yes!
Social status or material success... no, that's superficial. That's red pill bullshit 😁

A man that is kind, treats me like a princess but is also dominant behind closed doors... is perfection! Funny is a bonus. Also, smart men are hot as hell!!! 🔥🥵

To be honest, the guys that I didn't have an initial attraction to, like at all! Ended up being the ones I become obsessed with.

[Opinion Owner]

@blueonblack22 Definitely, if a man makes a sexual comment too soon... I'm out. Mainly because I assume he's only after one thing.

Men need to be consistent. Disappearing for a couple days is a no go! Giving one word answers... turn off. Equal effort is a must. 😊

[blueonblack22]

@josey29 I believe the conscious part of your brain actually believes what you just said above. But the subconscious part of your brain (which is much stronger and makes romantic decisions) has often contradicted the so called “advice to men” you have made above.

From my observations a woman’s conscious mind is rarely congruent with her subconscious “feelings”. Because over and over and over again I’ve seen women change their minds, break their word and contradict themselves. All because of their “feelings”. That’s why you hear “I am a man of word” but never “I am a woman of my word”. Women just don’t feel the same amount of shame and guilt as men do when they break their word.

Now for the record I have met a small minority of women who are not like that. But they are very rare. And I somehow doubt you fall in that category.

[Opinion Owner]

@blueonblack22 I was addicted to red pill content for about six years... I know for a fact, these content creators are all liars.
The only reason I believe that you follow this group is the whole "feelings" comment.

The only things I learned from the red pill experience and Rollo Friggen Tomassi... is that men only care about looks and sex. That they discard women when they're no longer desirable or they age. Is that really what men want women to think of them?
Red pill content is poison. Please walk away before it completely distorts your perception of reality.

I'm not trying to be rude. I just don't want you to see all women in a negative light. It definitely fucked up my perception of men.

[blueonblack22]

“ is that men only care about looks and sex. That they discard women when they're no longer desirable or they age”

That is a generalization. And no I am not “red pill” nor some sort of Andrew Tate fan. In fact the more I learn about him the more I think he’s a piece of sh*t tbh.

But society really does treat men and women differently. Women are wanted. Men are needed. There is a difference. Women really do have a advantage over their equal (looks, money, status, etc) male counterpart when it comes to dating. Femininity in itself is valued. Men on the other hand are NOT “special” just for existing. We are only special for what we do and what we can provide to women (money, affirmation, protection, etc).

And I am not saying this because I expect the world to magically change. But I noticed that modern feminism has brainwashed large swathes of women into believing they are “fighting patriarchy” by disrespecting men. That’s a major reason there is so much male angst in modern society.

[Opinion Owner]

@blueonblack22 you may be confusing well informed women (feminists) "disrespecting" men with women holding strong boundaries in regards to men... big difference. It's not up to a woman to tippy toe around men in order to spare their ego, especially when it could cost them their own self-respect.

Feminism has done it's duty when women aren't used and throw away. When media recognizes them as valuable at every age.
Men at any age can become financially stable... in order to hold their so called "value"
By the way, not my standards!

It sounds like you are very red pilled.

I believe men are more superficial than women. Women can love a man they're not initially attracted to, money or not.

[Opinion Owner]

*thrown

[blueonblack22]

“ you may be confusing well informed women (feminists) "disrespecting" men with women holding strong boundaries in regards to men... big difference”

Alright we are not going to agree. But I have to say my part. I doubt you will even read everything I will say below but I just have to say something.

The reason why we won’t agree is because you are embracing a socially constructed identity (feminism). And anything that is socially constructed will always lead to a power grab. And power corrupts.

I personally do not take on any specific “identity” besides my faith in a higher power. Not interested in identifying as “red pill”. Not interested calling identifying with any movement. I do have some beliefs that align with certain ideologies but I refuse to take on a label.

What I do know comes from observation and life experience. And no I do not “hate” women. Really I don’t.

But I do believe there are both evolutionary, biological factors along with societal conditioning that influences how men and women behave. Some of it is hard wired (evolution/biology) and the other part is societally constructed (modern feminism).

I also absolutely believe that modern feminism is NOT making women happy in the long term. It is not bringing them true fulfillment.

Also let’s forget about what men went. Let’s focus on what women REALLY want. Men are not “special” just for existing anyway. We are only special for agency. And again agency about what we can provide for society and women. And TBH I accept that. Fair or not that’s really how it is.

[blueonblack22]

But like-ability and respect are NOT the same thing. You might not “like” the unattractive man who approached you to say hello. But you can respect him for having courage to approach. You might not “like” the dirty disheveled ugly guy who works on cars next door. But you can respect his skill set when it comes to automechanics. You might not like the socially awkward guy who may come off as really weird (and creepy) at your workplace. But if he never said or did anything inappropriate towards you then you have zero right to gossip negatively about him to your girlfriends. You need to respect the fact he’s a human being that needs to get out of bed and face the world just like you do. That’s what RESPECT is about. It’s easy to respect people you like. But respecting people who can do nothing for you is the true hallmark of maturity. And I from my observations too many “modern” women lack that. Simply because society does not punish them the same way it punishes men for disrespecting women they don’t find valuable.

[blueonblack22]

And I truly believe a cultural paradigm shift is happening right now. A growing minority of women are waking up to the fact that modern feminism is ultimately making them unhappy. A minority of women are realizing that being voluntarily lifelong childless is defying their very biology. A minority of women are waking up to the fact that making themselves less desirable (dying their hair unnatural colors, getting excess tattoos, promiscuity, obsessing over politics (TDS), dating women when they are only bicurious but not truly lesbian, etc. is NOT worth the adrenaline rush of fighting so called (imagined) patriarchy.

Mark my words we are in the middle of a cultural shift. Just like women started far left radical feminism back in the 60s (and gone beserk with it in the last 10-15 years e. g. #metoo) they are starting a new shift. And I doubt it’s going to be more feminism. Because some of them are seeing where it leads: un-fulfillment.

I am actually more optimistic for once about the future.

[Opinion Owner]

@blueonblack22 Okay, I have the patience of a two year old. Why such a long reply? 😭 I did not read it all because I hate reading.

You're religious? That explains everything! Women were treated like cattle in biblical times.
Religious men will always claim Christianity and cherry pick verses to prove why a woman's below them and must submit. Blah blah blah.
God is good but a Bible written by men in their own favor... is hilarious!

May I suggest you raise your wife from birth so you can control what type of information she's retaining?
Women are human beings believe it or not. 😊

[Opinion Owner]

@blueonblack22 I have zero patience for ignorant men as well!

[AnonAndrew]

It depends on the person.

Most people, men and women, end up with someone around their own attractiveness level, tough.

[NicholasRedone]

Nicholas gets 9/10 (one mark down 👎🏻👇🏻 for me being crazy me to ask the splendid Q)

[NicholasRedone]

@AnonAndrew both though and both tough - I see what you did there - unintended lol 😆 typo lol 😆 yet ironically, true, wink - tough

[NicholasRedone]

@AnonAndrew you and me both know you didn't mean to write tough - yet it makes sense, lol

[AnonAndrew]

@nicholasredone
Hahaha, yep, was supposed to be "though" but turned into "tough." But as you said, it works. :)

[Crazyced]

I assume by average you mean visually? While women can be picky on physicality (like height or lack thereof) there are other attribute that often take precedent. An average looking man that has above average masculinity, leadership and charisma can appear very attractive to a lot of women.

The opposite is also very true for good looking guys that seem feeble or lacking confidence (awkwardness). It can quickly be a turn off, especially for younger women.

In my humble opinion most women seem to be searching for and craving a mood more then specific boxes to check. If as a man you have found the way to generate this mood you are golden. But definitely easier said then done.

[NicholasRedone]

@Crazyced the mood is - "I want you to want me" awww. Someone to cuddle 🤗 women aren't as complicated as anyone makes out anyone to be. Likewise a man is - not always the guy wanting to be a jumper of the bones neither are all guys "pricks" 😈🦶🏻🤣 hooray y'all. Cya haircut time 💈

[Beachbummama84]

They are willing to try hard and go out of their way for us. The value us and want to serve us keep us happy. I got knocked up in my semester abroad in Italy , an absolute 10 drop dead gorgeous italian guy knocked me up in italy we had great sex were both physically very attractive and he used me as a fling when i told him i was pregnant on AIM he never responded and i never saw him again. I stated dating more average guys after that and even as a single mom they pursue me and they are nervous and its cute lol and they find value in me. Hot guys get so much ass they dont care you're just a number to them

[NicholasRedone]

That's the MHO right there "they're just a number to them" - indeed lady - indeed

[Beachbummama84]

Well thank you. I’ve been attractive since I was a Jr in high school and have been hot on by hot guys most of my life. Average guys are much better but are nervous to hit on you. I’m blonde thin as a rail with a Full D /DD cup I’m not trying to brag or sound conceded but I get a lot of eyes on me a lot of attention I know how it all works lol

[NicholasRedone]

How does 40 you reflect on 20 you? Especially surely all those eyes must either been a hell or b hell yet beneficial? 😜😀 Big ego

[NicholasRedone]

Or become a homebody nervous shell lol 😆 sympathies either

[NicholasRedone]

Referring to 20s you of course. Crikey 🐚🌊

[Beachbummama84]

Message me if message you but incant because it’s my first day on app and I’m not at level 2 so I can’t DM

[blueonblack22]

Women are wanted. Men are needed. Know the difference.

Also women are special just for existing. Men are only special for agency i. e. what we can do for society and women. Never forget that difference either.

If isn’t look then she needs you for something else. It could be for money, affirmation, someone she knows she can control, etc. It’s not because you are “special” to her. You quickly become expendable when she doesn’t need you anymore.

[msc545]

Well said

[Altheavas]

It’s not all about looking average, there’s everything else of someone that makes him/her look more than average. If you are looking just at the shell, yeah they look average, but if you study between the lines, their actions and how they express emotions, how they speak, how they act, dress even being upset etc. Their character, how they identify theirselves as. Their quirks, how they carry themselves, their intelligence, even a chance to pick a their emotional wisdom.
It’s more handsome/beautiful than a self centered chad would ever be…!

[Caroline91]

It isn't just surface looks that make up attractiveness. There are physical aspects that don't show in just a photograph. The way he moves, his voice, his laugh, his mannerisms, his facial expressions, that sparkle in his eye... Also, physical features that are not classically handsome, some might even consider a bit on the homely side, can be absolutely mesmerizing. I can get tired of looking at an extremely handsome face while another that is not all that handsome is vastly intriguing and, the more I look, the more depth and complexity I see, that face becomes extremely attractive to me. Then, if you add in confidence? That guy... THAT guy is irresistible.

[msc545]

They are seeing potential compliance in that. The guy will be so grateful for their attention or for any attention that he will do whatever they want and they are also seeing like all women potential money. Thinking this may not be my ideal but it's better than being alone. Like all women in the US are almost all this entire thing is transactional in nature.

[blackeagle007]

Difference between reading stuff here and seeing things out there. Of course a woman on here will say they met a hot guy, he’s a douche. But met an average guy his personality shined. The fact in person, the average guy who gets the beautiful women is well off financially speaking. Most cases though the beautiful woman only dates the handsome guys. Look out for the female responses lashing out in defense while I’m giving facts

[Chartreux]

Depends on the person, there's that x factor that makes that guy attractive to me...

The way a guy talks, dresses, moves and looks at me, what he has going for himself, et c...

[Joshydavid25]

They're looking at his other qualities that attract her rather than solely his looks.. Or maybe she prefers guys that aren't as nice looking as she is.. Some people would call that "settling", but if she liked him, it's really not..

[slatyb]

Appearances can be deceiving. The guy who appears "average" to people who don't know him may be quite special to those who do.

[Ms_Facesitter]

Average men are attractive. And When you base your expectations only on what you see, you blind yourself to the possibilities of what this man could be, is going to be.

[BonzoInBitburg]

It all comes down to how you make a woman feel. Looks mean nothing

[trumpetplayerforlife]

It's not all about looks it's about how they treat you and what they are like

[zagor]

Who do you think they're attracted to, attractive women?

[Eempriyanka]

They're seeing if you're copying a handsome guy 😂

[Sunrising]

A relationship, hopefully !

[Anonymous]

Usually - money :P

[Anonymous]

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