Vegans, do you realize that your "vegan" diet isn't vegan at all?

[genericname85]

like assuming you're not one of these nut cases who are trying to live "consuming sun light" or feeding on the front lawn, you're eating agriculturally grown plants. do you know how many animals are killed, poisoned and robbed of their natural environment in order to produce your food? you have blood on your hands even if all you eat is soy. this isn't really a question, i guess. i'm just weirded out by the moral superiority complex that the vegans are riding as if they'd be the better humans. we all need to eat and if we wanna eat, something's gotta die. that's the circle of life and you won't get out of actively taking part in it unless you die. and i would even argue that as a meat consumer myself, i'm really not killing that much more animals than you do as a vegan. if you feel triggered by this, don't bother responding. if you think i'm wrong, please argue your case in a rational manner. i won't reply to ad hominem attacks.

obviously if you're not a vegan, this doesn't apply to you. because you're not the ones shaming and guilt-tripping others for their eating habits. see you in the comments.

[Astarlessnightsky]

Vegans in general pay more attention to their food than the average joe.

So yes most of them know the problems regarding their food and how its grown.

However if you eat meat, espacially the industrial produced stuff you find in supermarkets, it hurts the environment much more.

So its the lesser evil.

[genericname85]

i honestly don't think there's very much of a difference in environmental impact. that's just vegan propaganda but i bet you if you were to calculate the co2 emissions per calorie of a strictly vegan diet and compare that to the co2 emissions of an omnivore "average joe" diet, you'll find there's not much difference. it's just propaganda and clever marketing. cause customers who are giving the feeling they are making a "superior buying choice" are willing to pay more and that is just too easy to achieve in any sort of nutrition/health regard... by just bullshitting them. and then they spread that bullshit that they fell for and nobody cares to actually fact check that.

[genericname85]

who are given the feeling*

[NamerOfStars]

Fairness, now- even the nitrogen cycle and bodily decomposition means they're eating animal products, only less efficiently. However, they don't really have an alternative; it's not like you can forcibly relocate an entire species and not have something take its place.

[genericname85]

i know there's no other option. a man's gotta eat. so they should stop the moral superioirty trip, cause they're not any better. they're just malnourishing themself to feel superior, which is nothing but a delusion.

[NamerOfStars]

Now there I have to disagree with you. The net result may be the same, but there's a world of difference between an animal getting eaten at the end of a free and happy life and one factory raised and bred, never seeing the sun or getting even a chance at normality. Trying to minimize your personal impact on the environment and reduce the level of cruelty your existence requires is hardly something we should discourage, whether it's successful or not.

The smug, self-satisfied assholery is another matter altogether, but pick your battles.

[genericname85]

my argument is that you're killing as much animals if you're vegan. the animals killed in life stock wouldn't be alive in the first place at all if it wasn't for the industry PLUS animal rights activists have made things such that animals who die for food production actually have a way less terrible death than animals that die in nature.

[NamerOfStars]

If it weren't for the disruptions caused by the very existence of the industry, there'd be MORE wildlife, not less. And you're not killing them by eating plants, merely benefiting; I don't think they object to animals being mortal.

[genericname85]

You understand how many animals die in agricultural field work? How can you say that you're not killing them by eating plants?

Yes there'd be a little more "wild" life without the industry but less life overall.

[FieldOfVision]

I hate how there are more vegan food then there are for people with food allergies. I'm life-threateningly allergic to dairy, egg, peanut and tree nut so most of the desserts I have are vegan. When vegan food tries to make fake meat, that's when I draw the line. You CAN'T make FAKE meat! You just can't.

[genericname85]

yeah and even the vegan stuff is terribly unhealthy, highly processed and full of chemicals.

[FieldOfVision]

Yeah and it doesn't even taste good. I'm dying to know what a real doughnut tastes like 🤣

[genericname85]

pretty much like eating a spoon full of sugar. the sugar is so overpowering, you hardly taste anything else.

[purplepoppy]

Don't forget that plant fertiliser comes from an animals ass.

[genericname85]

i mean there's synthetic fertilizers that are created without the poop from animals but yeah. many of course use dung as it's convenient if you or someone else close is already doing life stock farming.

[es20490446e]

I don't think that vegans shall be judging other people out of how they eat. People eat the way they do out of tradition, and are simply suspicious of anything new by default.

Now if you ask me if I feel superior for eating vegan, yes I do. Absolutely.

Because this goes way beyond veganism. I'm cristal clear in everything I do. Hence I'm honest also on how I eat, and I have the balls to execute it.

Most people don't have such balls, hence I'm superior.

[genericname85]

people eat the way they do cause it's healthy for them and cause they like how it tastes. "being clear in everything to do" is a good trait to have tho that has nothing to do with veganism at all. in what way exactly does it take "balls" to eat like that?

[es20490446e]

That is healthy, I shall digress.

The places in Earth that people live the longest are those which eat vegan, or close to it. The places that the people usually die of heart diseases and cancer are also those who eat animal products the most.

It takes courage because nobody else in your social circle will be doing it. Nobody is going to tell you that you are doing it right, probably the oposite.

Hence the only person supporting you is yourself. It sounds like a no big deal, but the fact is that I know very few people that have this skill, that are capable to make choices by themselves.

[Gummy_Cluster]

And many don't know that if you eat dairy products, you are killing cows.

[Gummy_Cluster]

Did you know that about dairy?

[Gummy_Cluster]

Dairy cows don't just give milk for the hell of it. They do it because they get pregnant. What do you think happens to the calves? They're slaughtered and sold as veal. Most people don't know that, and if you tell them, they just ask why the farmer wouldn't keep them as a future dairy cow. Because the farmer is set up for 100 cows, not 100,000 cows.

[genericname85]

everyone knows that dude xD that's why milk isn't considered vegan. but i'm saying nothing is vegan.

[Gummy_Cluster]

No, dude, everyone does not know that.

[genericname85]

people who give a shit in the first place do xD

[Gummy_Cluster]

Exactly my point. Very few.

[Iron_Man]

I like my Protein I eat meat

[genericname85]

i mean you could get protein otherwise but i'm not buying the vegan propaganda claiming that meat can be replaced nutritionally.

[Iron_Man]

No, I like my chicken and beef

[genericname85]

nothing wrong with that.

[Iron_Man]

Thanks

[joeldalton]

They don’t. But they like to virtue signal.