The reason I do not is because I am Asexual, now that's just me okay? For men in general I would assume it's the fear of rejection that stops them in their tracks. They're many studies on the internet about this kind of thing, it's hard to give a definite and solid answer but it's based on many, many, MANY, different types of men with different preferences on attracting a girl.
As for myself, I'm generally not attracted in a sexual way to anybody so I don't try to make that step because in my particular case it's not what I want for me.
Combo of things. First, it is a fact that women are biologically more emotional than men, therefore when making decisions they at times are more vulnerable to letting emotions overrule logic, which produces hyperactivity in the decision-making regions of the brain, where anxiety, uncertainty breeds. It's more emotionally exhausting experience for women when something of consequence is being mulled over, because they truly care and empathize more with others. Men experience the same when anxious, trying to decide the best decision, but it is not quite as intense as men's brains are wired to be less empathetic, therefore aren't accounting for the same factors (social) that women account for, as that was a valuable male behavior for survival.
You're gonna be called a "creep" when approaching women, except if you're Brad Pitt and/or are rich.
No wonder guys don't give a shit about women anymore. Who in their right mind would approach women anymore? You're just putting yourself at a risk doing that.
Wow! A good majority of this is pretty much why I don't talk to women whom I'm interested in anymore. I know I can be confident & approach them all I want to, but after reading this & agreeing to most of this,... my thoughts are based upon,"What the hell is the point of approaching them just to attempt to talk to them if they're going to respond and be like this?"
Same here brother, i realized i was miserable when i wanted to be with that ideal girl and do anything and everything to try to get her. When i finally realized its time to concentrate on other things in life that dont have to do with women... thats when i started to be happy again.
@Robertinho For sure brother, for sure. It's exactly what you just said, focus on other things, do your own thing & don't focus on women. It does come to that point where they make the standards too high & complex it's like,"Fuck this! What's the point of pleasing them & striving to making them happy when they don't seem to appreciate the damn effort we do for them?"
I'm not talking about being in a relationship mind you because I know it goes both ways for both of the genders so that's clearly different. Just the part of approaching them & hoping to say something to them without them being extremely easily creeped out by the guy or just being frickin' rude & just completely ignoring the guy who is being confident & approaching the girl... but I'm sure if it's a guy they like,.. oh I'm sure that's completely different for them now isn't is? LOL
I can handle the rejection, what i can't handle is how you grow a pair to talk to the one that caught your eye and they completely ignore you as if you were'nt even there. I could handle a no, and move on because im a mature man, what i can't stand is the bitchy attitude they give you as if you were some monster and bugging the hell out of them!!! I dont need that no more, i got better things in life to accomplish, take care man.
I don't mind being approached or looked at, and I don't mind a guy offering me his number or asking for mine. I would only meet in a public place for the first date and wouldn't get in his car, but that's just safety. I wouldn't want any guy who had feelings for me to be afraid to approach me in whatever way he was comfortable with. All this feminist/equality crap is ruining relationships.
People are different. All men aren't the same. All women aren't the same. Not sure why people think that one set of rules should apply to literally billions of people.
Don't confuse feminist rubbish for what real women think. Only 7% or women in UK describe themselves as feminist and 12% in the US.
I see porn as the root of all of the problems. Men's sexual drive is diverted into molesting themselves to pixels on an electronic screen.
Women are deprived of the masculine influence in their lives. They engage in more and more provocative behaviour to try to attract men but men are weakened by the indulgence in all their wanking.
Cut porn out of the equation and men would keep women more in line, like they used to in the past. Women need the male influence to guide them. Love it or hate it, women need masculine energy to remain balanced in life, and vice-versa.
Why would this happen? Because men would grow so frustrated by the lack of proper release that they would want to have a regular girlfriend to have access to sex.
Not all this degenerate sleeping around, that leaves us all jaded and miserable.
What feminist rubbish? Seems to me like this is just an opinion about women in general and ya only got to look at the 60+ or so men on here, that all agree with it vs like four that do not. Why do ya gotta blame porn for it? A guy can watch whatever the fuck he wants when he wants to and you have zero say over that. It's called freedom and no offence to you British people, but I often get the feeling Americans at the very least value freedom to do what ya want more. Women don't need men, men don't need women. Period. If a man or woman wants to focus on career or whatever else and stay single, more power to them, let em do as they choose, it's called individualism. Who gives a fuck if the majority of people look down on it if it makes us content?
i just wanna say women are unclear what they want , please if you don't like any one just tell them its hurts but fine !, don't waste one's time by keeping guys in strings or options , due to which guys loose total interest in female and then they live alone because the some girls show negative side of the women , and this is the truth whether you admit or not , i used to keep female friends , but after one such incident happened to me, so i don"t talk to women anymore i lost all interest !! stop fooling guys please
I can acknowledge that a lot of women fall into this. Bo Burnham has a great song about the contradictions guys and girls have when it comes to the other gender.
I can't stop laughing when men criticize chivalry.
Also, no woman says it's sexism when a man carries heavy things for her. If she's strong enough, then she just says thanks and moves on. No one gets angry. I myself can carry very heavy objects and when in our classroom we do arrangements, boys do offer me to help carry the heavier stuff, I just smile and say "thank you so much but I can manage! Can you rather help me with that? *shows heavier object*" Why would someone be rude when people offer help?
And for money, like I always say it's always gonna be a fight with me in dates. Either you offer to pay first and I fight with you to let me pay instead, or you sit there like an asshole expecting me to pay and get dumped.
It's not the with you do for us, but rather the manner you show that we love. Even if we don't need the help, we will appreciate it.
"And for money, like I always say it's always gonna be a fight with me in dates. Either you offer to pay first and I fight with you to let me pay instead, or you sit there like an asshole expecting me to pay and get dumped."
See, this is the kind of thing he's talking about. What if I want to see if you intend to pay for yourself or if I'm letting you offer first so I can insist on paying? So if a woman sits there expecting me to offer then she's not an asshole? The whole thing is annoying, just sayin'.
@AllThatSweetJazz Expecting the other one to pay is disgusting for anyone, except if it's like he's giving me a treat or I'm giving him a treat. But it feels good to see the men taking the initial step.
I would argue that the circumstances don't allow guys much wiggle room. So women not paying is an assholism and getting dumped is the consequence then what happens when expecting men to pay/offer and be cool with that is the prevalent attitude? Combine the difficultly of getting dates with the frequency of said dumping then it's rather impractical, no? Hence you can see why I would think "But it feels good to see the men taking the initial step." doesn't exactly escape being a somewhat problematic position for guys to deal with.
@AllThatSweetJazz Then you do what works best for you. People ain't forcing you to pay for your girl. If she pays all the time and you both are okay, cool.
I think you missed my point. What if *nothing* works best for me or for any other guy? If paying results in me dumping her and not paying results in me getting dumped, then what's a guy to do? ... Not bother, nothing, not chase, etc i. e, the point of this article.
Hardly seems like a good conclusion, especially since I'm incorporating *your* conditions into the scenario. Although, look at this, here we are sitting and discussing it, fancy that, so let's talk about it properly. So are you going to justify your conclusion, reconstruct your argument or just evade?
@AllThatSweetJazz Honestly, what I would like to do is totally up to me and my boyfriend. If taking to him make me feel like we better do something else, then yes I'll do it.
@AllThatSweetJazz Well, if you read what she said she never said it was going be easy. She literally said that you would have to fight her either way so what I'd do is just stay at home and watch a movie or something and not go out anywhere plus it'd be cheaper though you could just agree to pay half of the bill each or another way is that every time you go out you have a rota about who pays so that the guy pays on certain meals and the girl pays for others and just pay for alternate nights out. Or if you and your partner are both like that then just don't date until you get your act together and just be friends another thing is that you decide who pays before ordering (at best, before even going out to eat).
@WildStarMagic I really don't think that has much to do with what I'm asking. Also, side-note, I don't see why it can't be easy, and furthermore it was described as a 'fight' either way, which isn't really the case. You call it a 'fight' but him not paying is a fail-state and when he does it's a win-state, completely different. One 'fight' is just a dance, the other is a dump.
What I'm getting it is not about established relationships. How do you form a relationship using the conditions she presented? If not paying is a dumpable offense then how does a guy reliably find himself in a relationship when it's not a girl's typical inclination to pay?
You got it right that it's not easy, the problem is that it's unreasonably hard when it needt be.
And I don't understand this "getting your act together" point you're making. What is that even in reference to? I can't tell if you're talking about an attitude problem or a financial one.
@AllThatSweetJazz Okay lemme explain better, in the fighting thing mentioned in the beginning, it's an Asian thing that people always want to pay by themselves so there is always an argument like "let me pay" "no let me pay this time" it's nothing like what you're thinking. In the end someone gives up and the other pays.
For me, if my guy initiates to pay then I'll be very grateful and impressed with his chivalry, which is why I said I'd fight to pay instead to show gratitude, and how much I appreciate his offer. On the other hand, if he doesn't offer to pay because I'm going to pay anyway, and I see no sign of him trying to pay by himself instead, well it's extremely rude and I'll conclude that he neither deserves my money not does he deserve me.
It's not the money, it's manners that I care about. In cases of shortage of money/being broke/not having enough money/forgetting your wallet etc cases, well those are exceptions and we can come up with a solution together.
"no woman says it's sexism when a man carries heavy things for her. If she's strong enough, then she just says thanks and moves on. No one gets angry. "
Sorry, but you're 16 and a girl. You have no idea what sort of batshit crazy ladys walk the earth and call themselves feminists.
@Belgie But not all guys because some are 16 and young just like ourselves. Though to be honest I think the Suffragettes that fought for women's rights (specifically the right to vote) would be embarrassed by the behaviour of some of the women that call themselves feminists e. g. that take it to extremes and then hate on men (though I find it ironic that in Ancient Egypt there was assumed to be more equality between the genders than there is now) but I also feel that our entire existence is just going downhill.
I understand the fighting thing. My point was that it doesn't matter who pays or how adamant the other person is to pay or whatever. Simply having the argument in the first place is a win-state, meaning; the relationship continues. It's just a dance, the outcome doesn't matter, it's just something you do for show.
Anyway, there's a couple of problems I have here. One is that you're still expecting him to offer *first,* you've been clear about this. This is a little dick-ish to my mind because you're expecting more from another that you aren't doing yourself. It's extra dick-ish if you would punish that person for failing at things you expected of them that you yourself aren't doing. Two is the set of conditions you've laid out: Guys should always offer, people who don't offer get dumped (including girls). What I don't get is why this is supposed to be a practical stance for guys trying to land a girl. Most girls are not going to get into the 'who pays' dance.
@WildStarMagic Suffragettes set off bombs and attacked people, I wouldn't exactly call them noble.
Feminists and Suffragettes don't and never have had a monopoly on women's rights or suffrage. Both seemed like corrupted and radicalized incarnations of good ideas: Universal suffrage and Egalitarianism. But perhaps we shouldn't derail into a grand feminism discussion. :P
@AllThatSweetJazz What attitude? Well I could say just do as society dictates and just suck it up but I guess that's not the response you're looking for so I'll just say this because even though I'm probably way out of my depth here you asked me a question so I'll try to answer. The attitude I'm talking about is the one that is saying that none of it is easy when it should. Of course it's not going to be easy; life in general isn't so why should dating be simple? I'd even go so far as to say that the dance you speak of is similar to that of other species when courting and even that comes with risks -some species even death. It sounds like you are risk averse but I'd say that if there was no relationship formed then you could just ask "who's going to pay?" and if she offers then fine if she doesn't then fine but if you want to pay but she adamant on paying then ask if it would be alright to split the bill if she declines then she's either polite or just wants to prove herself to you.
@AllThatSweetJazz At least when they spoke they didn't sound like someone that had just finished their first day of preschool unlike some of the people that call themselves feminists.
Concerning suffragettes, that doesn't mean they'd have my respect even if they were any better, which is arguable.
Okay, so this is going to get long. Soz.
Well some societies insist I kill gays, would you have me suck it up then? Should I be telling gays to suck it up and deal with being murdered? Didn't think so. If you tell women they should suck it up and deal with earning less money people will flip out even that one is actually is reasonable because the pay gap is a myth. So obviously we're not going to blindly obey society's dictate and most don't, naturally I'm suspicious of people who seem to suggest it.
Just because some things are hard doesn't meant every part of this needs to be. Questioning society's dictate is good for figuring out what is actually fair/reasonable and what isn't. It's a guideline for keeping the wheels turning, not for optimization.
@WildStarMagic It's a dance we could arguably rise above. We can defy our nature, not to mention that other species have a different nature and if they had the same intelligence and moral capacity then they'd attempt to defy their nature too or risk extinction. So that's not really an argument.
@WildStarMagic I accept there's risk involved but there's a couple problems. One is that the present zeitgeist in western society aspires for equality, so men have begun to question how the world treats them. Combine this with point two; the reality there is no safe bet for a guy's efforts now. Once upon a time, yes your role a a guy may be crap for you but at the same time the pressure wasn't coming at you from all sides to walk an impossibly narrow path. Which brings us back to the whole point of the original article: In the straight male's quest for romance, the pressure exerted by females feels like it's been edging into the unreasonable. They're questioning if the risk-reward factor for 'chasing' is adequate and many are coming up with a no. How many guys' voices do you need to hear before you'll stop telling them to 'suck it up' or 'man up' and consider for a moment that what they are feeling is valid?
@AllThatSweetJazz In lower paying jobs a pay gap may be non-existent but it's in the higher paid jobs which are usually those that provide entertainment on some form e. g. athletes and tv presenters where it is more prevalent but to be honest it's not like their earning less than enough money to live (though athletes would end up having to change careers once they start being less fit and would probably end earn less anyway) unlike some people that live on the minimum wage which the government keeps on rising (that's why everything always goes up in price in the first place other than the normal rise of price because of inflation). All I can tell is that humans are just begging for extinction (there's 7.5 billion of us but the reason for that is mainly because of medicine and the fact that people are living for longer) also less people are reproducing because of how women are wanting to wait until they have a sustainable life before settling down. End of Part 1.
Part 2. The whole paying for a meal is living up to instincts though and even if they are supposedly different for men and women it's still the same thing: showing that you can provide for your significant other which is what people normally like about someone (how many people end up being attracted to someone just because they have a well paying job? because it still seems to be incredibly common in women that still seem to want to have a significant other of a higher status or can at least provide for them). When I say that humans want to become extinct I'm pointing out the fact that because there is so little for us to even fight about that viral trends which tend to be on the risky side take place and the younger people seem to do them and then complain about the pain afterwards when it goes horribly wrong. You know most species' nature tends to be that of survive (and look after your own or other's young) or die. End of Part 2
Final More people in the Western Society don't care for other people's feelings which is shown by the lack of doctors and nurses and other jobs in that sector there are also less teachers and bigger classes which doesn't seem to be doing the education system any good. As it currently stands I'd say that women put up this double standards with the whole idea of wanting an ego boost whether it's to put down a man by dumping him or the fact that she wants to prove herself as capable by paying for food by stepping into what would normally be the man's place all because of wanting to be equal which basically leaves the oppression of men even though they are "of higher status and have priority in this world" when actually with all the change taking place would at most make them a quiet majority if not themselves a minority. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse so you won but I feel that I was too eager because I went off topic while on a few trains of thought that were not relevant.
Perfect example of confusing us men. We need to pay, let you offer to pay, say no to your offering. If we don't offer to pay everything upfront, we're losers. If we take you up on your offer to split, we're jerks. So please, tell us guys how this benefits us?
@Profiler You did not even understand what I'm getting here lmao. Get outta here. This is between me and my guy only so you go ahead and do what you feel is the best with your girl and don't care about what people say.
I understood that your brain has no capacity to catch my words, so I better just explain:
If he initiates to pay: I'll be grateful for him being so nice and for that I would want to do something for him. Telling him to let me pay instead is just me saying that it's simply him offering to pay that made me happy.
If he doesn't offer to pay and expects me to pay instead: He took me for granted so he neither deserves my money not me.
Look before you leap, sir. Wanting to pay is completely an Asian thing.
@Profiler I've never heard of a scenario were guys have been dubbed as jerks for splitting pay. If they didn't offer then I can see why women would assume that and if a woman didn't offer then I can see why men would call them jerks but for splitting pay? I can't really see what people would find wrong with it since they always ask for equality then surely this would be an example of it taking place. Also @CubsterShura the whole woman wanting to pay has become more common in the Western Culture which probably another reason why you are being challenged so much.
Anyway, the whole point you gave was that by default the guy has to at the very least, offer, this is confusing guys because it makes the woman a judgmental so'n so which also meaning that if she also doesn't offer then she could be dumped if guys had the same ruling. Also it makes it more awkward if it comes to the point that both refrain from offering until the very last minute which could lead to a fight hence splitting pay
Your image of 'chivalry' never existed. And you're making it so that there's no right answer, just for the sake of it, to shit-test guys in a way that they can't ever win with you. You say "it's always gonna be a fight with me in dates. Either you offer to pay first and I fight with you to let me pay instead, or you sit there like an asshole expecting me to pay and get dumped." So tell me- what happens if I fight back with you and refuse to let you pay instead, or demand that you at least let me split the bill? That's disrespecting you, treating you like a little kid or a charity case. But it's what you claim that you want. You don't want to be respected, or treated like an independent equal. You want to be demeaned, belittled, treated like a dependent inferior.
In what you've said, you've shown that you want a guy who won't accept "No" for an answer; who'll do whatever he wants to do with you, for you and to you, regardless of whether you tell him that you want him to or not. You want him to view your words, your wishes, your CONSENT, as worthless and meaningless stuff which can be ignored or dismissed. And you want him to force his will upon you to show his dominance, even if you tell him "NO", even if you demand that he stop and let you do it instead. What the fuck is wrong with you? Why the fuck do you love rapists so much?
I do see but the thing is, that guys (when hearing women want to treated equally) understand that being courteous to women as not prioritising them as offering to pay for them would be doing. Therefore they will not want to pay or at least would not offer until a woman has therefore as AllThatSweetJazz and Profiler said it becomes a dance that is deemed by many to be unnecessary especially if it is their first date and/or they haven't met each other before because in a way (at least in Western Societies) it puts guys off because if the reaction is the woman wanting to fight for paying then what's the point in offering to pay if they are going to be denied anyway and vice versa with girls (with the expectation of wanting a man to pay but wanting to pay anyway) because by waiting for a guy to pay implies that the woman is a gold digger but if the guy doesn't offer to pay then it implies that he just wants your money. Which is why they were challenging you and it's why people are put off.
Also, if you didn't want people you argue with you (I'm getting some serious vibes about this from your comments that are telling me to stop though I probably won't unless to tell us your reasoning which has gotten you into this mess in the first place) then you shouldn't have commented a visceral response to a highly opinionated article because emotions tend to start arguments in the first place in fact this comment thread is a good example (you have been cornered my friend so either fight back with reason or give in and say they've won). The main problem with your original opinion is because you said: "And for money, like I always say it's always gonna be a fight with me in dates. Either you offer to pay first and I fight with you to let me pay instead, or you sit there like an asshole expecting me to pay and get dumped." which is adding an extra double standard that guys have to negotiate and it means that the have to put more effort into the relationship than the girl.
@SinghSong what the hell? You're taking this too far and creating issues that never even existed. I said it a hundred times and I'll say it again: If he offers to pay, then I'll feel the need to show him gratitude and let him know that I'm happy with his behavior by paying by myself instead. I didn't mean fighting as in a real fight lmao stop taking it so seriously. If he seems very eager to pay, then I'll let him do it if it makes him happy. But if he sits there expecting me to pay and not even offering to pay after me, I'll take it as a signal that he's taking me for granted, which is a big red flag in every relationship.
I don't wanna continue to talk with a man who takes chivalry to as far as rape and writes a myTake on why men don't chase women anymore, lmao who told you that we are desperate for being chased? You think my entire life depends on how much men chase me? Do men chase me? No. Why would they? It's plainly stupid. Only one man should ever chase me.
Of course, only one man should ever chase you- the epitome of male perfection who you deem yourself to be entitled to. You've gone on and on about how much taking your partner for granted "is a big red flag in every relationship"- but you yourself openly admit to deliberately taking the hospitality and generosity of any man who dates you for granted, just for the sake of it, and believe yourself to be justifies and entitled to do so, solely on the basis of you being female and him being male. That red flag you're talking about? That's the red flag which you're draping yourself in, and the reason why neither I nor any self-respecting man clued in about your psyche would want to chase you. You're a blind hypocrite.
I'm trying to be a civil about this as I can but honestly it just seems like you can't listen to yourself. So one more time, I'm going to trying using more bite size responses for easy digestion.
"If he offers to pay, then I'll feel the need to show him gratitude and let him know that I'm happy with his behavior by paying by myself instead." There's no equality (fairness) if you don't apply your principles equally. Apply your principle to yourself and you'll see it breaks down, this is my problem with it.
"I didn't mean fighting as in a real fight lmao stop taking it so seriously. If he seems very eager to pay, then I'll let him do it if it makes him happy." That's why I called it a dance, it's a joke, a play-fight, and hence still a win-state in the dating game.
"You think my entire life depends on how much men chase me?" Way to think small and make it about all about you. This *is* relevant to *men* and to women who want men, and if it gets worse then yes eventually you will care.
@SinghSong Relationship preferences aren't the same as taking things for granted. I never take anything for grantes unlike you who expect women to be submissive for you all the time. None of us fucking care whether or not you chase us. I'd rather change my sexuality than be chased by an ill-minded man like you lol keep on hating I feed on ill men's hate >:]
Again, hate gives rise to hate. If all you do is fling insults and spew hatred, then why the hell should we show you any courtesy or respect for that? You're a proper glass cannon- the tiniest bit of return fire, and you fall apart, shattering into tiny little pieces.
After all, you did claim that you fed off men's hate, and that you were laughing out loud. So I'm doing exactly what you implicitly stated that you wanted from men- to be the focal point of their hatred, giving you the attention which you so crave, and providing you with your preferred form of comedic entertainment. For instance, I could go off on a rant and deride you as a deceitful, two-faced, fickle, shallow bitch who's unfit to be a human being, and whose only value is as a glorified glory hole. And according what you've said about yourself in your responses, you should enjoy that. So, if what you say is true, you should thank me for spewing hatred at you. If you take offence at any hate speech which a man uses against you, then it again proves that you were either being a hypocrite or a bare-faced liar.
Well, yes, you did cover a lot of it. For me personally I'd like to add, that men can be taken advantage of by paying for the bill and then being ghosted on. And that "chasing" is not worth my time wasted. It's either a yes, no or maybe - just maybe - some other time later but my clock keeps ticking and my tasks keep getting done and created. I hate mind games.
Women don't know what they want, plain and simple. They change their minds or can't make up their mind. They are really choosy in the types of guys that they will date and marry. I think guys should do a better job and not fall for the wrong type of women and play it safe when it comes to dating women.
My question is why the fuck men even are tolerating the sort of bitchy behavior y'all so often talk about? Like not being able to pick a restaurant or complaining about being fat. When literally not even that many women do that type of shit. Makes me wonder why you guys have been chasing after them for so long and why you're just realizing NOW that "hey, that sort of behavior is pretty dumb". Lol.
I believe we both have flaws and should work out with them.
Nobody's perfect anyway, let's try to find someone who's imperfect but makes you happy.
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I've figured out that chasing women just isn't worth the time or effort. I'm not interested in playing mind games, and if she's just craving the attention I'm not going to validate her. If it seems like she wants a guy to chase her, I just drop her and move on.
Most men don't have the social intuition to be able to read body language and facial expressions to determine her emotions at that specific time you master those three and approaching women it's not difficult at all. It's usually the fear of rejection the stops most men because they thought themselves, if you approach a girl doubting yourself she's going to feel that doubt with her intuition and it's going to creep her out.
Men aren't chasing AVERAGE WOMEN. Bad bitches/HB 8+/pretty girls/beauties/dime pieces whatever term you wanna use will always be chased by men and get first pick
my advise to women is if you wanna be chased and get that star treatment do a few things: 1) make yourself as hot as you can 2) dont be a hoe. dont be out here sleeping with every 3rd guy who gets in your inbox. be exclusive
You're wrong I attracted to average women more than the hot ones. Hot women can be total cunts. I used to live with an ex model when I rented a room down stairs.
"my advise to women is if you wanna be chased and get that star treatment do a few things: 1) make yourself as hot as you can"
Yup. Cause if you are a complete idiot, it doesn't matter as long as you are hot right? Give me a break. You think guys are all idiots who will wag their tails just at the sight of a boob? Grow up. Not all men are like this. Either offer something like smarts, personality etc. or don't expect men other than trash. Not hard to figure out.
oh fuck yes! So true! Dare say anything like this and even GUYS assume you are just MGTOW, MRA, red pill, bitter, lonely, incel, etc and dismiss you as a loser. At the very least MGTOW has some good points and so does this take. Just look at the roaring number of guys agreeing with it wholeheartedly. Impossible we are ALL one of those things people dismiss us as.
The truth is they still do, and there are still girls worth chasing, but you have to be more selective. So date a LOT, and you'll have enough experience to actually be able to discern whether they're worth your time and effort to pursue.
They're out there, you just have to sift through all the dregs to find them.
All of the approaches that you've listed here won't work for the average guy, so don't even waste your time trying. FYI, the best way is still the old fashioned way. If you can't meet decent women at church, or through friends, than you're just shit out of luck...
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The reason I do not is because I am Asexual, now that's just me okay? For men in general I would assume it's the fear of rejection that stops them in their tracks. They're many studies on the internet about this kind of thing, it's hard to give a definite and solid answer but it's based on many, many, MANY, different types of men with different preferences on attracting a girl.
As for myself, I'm generally not attracted in a sexual way to anybody so I don't try to make that step because in my particular case it's not what I want for me.
Combo of things. First, it is a fact that women are biologically more emotional than men, therefore when making decisions they at times are more vulnerable to letting emotions overrule logic, which produces hyperactivity in the decision-making regions of the brain, where anxiety, uncertainty breeds. It's more emotionally exhausting experience for women when something of consequence is being mulled over, because they truly care and empathize more with others. Men experience the same when anxious, trying to decide the best decision, but it is not quite as intense as men's brains are wired to be less empathetic, therefore aren't accounting for the same factors (social) that women account for, as that was a valuable male behavior for survival.
You're gonna be called a "creep" when approaching women, except if you're Brad Pitt and/or are rich.
No wonder guys don't give a shit about women anymore. Who in their right mind would approach women anymore? You're just putting yourself at a risk doing that.
Wow! A good majority of this is pretty much why I don't talk to women whom I'm interested in anymore. I know I can be confident & approach them all I want to, but after reading this & agreeing to most of this,... my thoughts are based upon,"What the hell is the point of approaching them just to attempt to talk to them if they're going to respond and be like this?"
Same here brother, i realized i was miserable when i wanted to be with that ideal girl and do anything and everything to try to get her. When i finally realized its time to concentrate on other things in life that dont have to do with women... thats when i started to be happy again.
@Robertinho For sure brother, for sure. It's exactly what you just said, focus on other things, do your own thing & don't focus on women. It does come to that point where they make the standards too high & complex it's like,"Fuck this! What's the point of pleasing them & striving to making them happy when they don't seem to appreciate the damn effort we do for them?"
I'm not talking about being in a relationship mind you because I know it goes both ways for both of the genders so that's clearly different. Just the part of approaching them & hoping to say something to them without them being extremely easily creeped out by the guy or just being frickin' rude & just completely ignoring the guy who is being confident & approaching the girl... but I'm sure if it's a guy they like,.. oh I'm sure that's completely different for them now isn't is? LOL
I can handle the rejection, what i can't handle is how you grow a pair to talk to the one that caught your eye and they completely ignore you as if you were'nt even there. I could handle a no, and move on because im a mature man, what i can't stand is the bitchy attitude they give you as if you were some monster and bugging the hell out of them!!! I dont need that no more, i got better things in life to accomplish, take care man.
I don't mind being approached or looked at, and I don't mind a guy offering me his number or asking for mine. I would only meet in a public place for the first date and wouldn't get in his car, but that's just safety. I wouldn't want any guy who had feelings for me to be afraid to approach me in whatever way he was comfortable with. All this feminist/equality crap is ruining relationships.
A lot of women are not like you, it's them you need to convince convince, not the guys. :)
People are different. All men aren't the same. All women aren't the same. Not sure why people think that one set of rules should apply to literally billions of people.
no, but when billions do the same thing why should one matter?
@TheOtakuMaid because one person can be different
@DarkraiMewK22 yes but we can still base off the average, most people are sheep
Typical GAG site
Don't confuse feminist rubbish for what real women think. Only 7% or women in UK describe themselves as feminist and 12% in the US.
I see porn as the root of all of the problems. Men's sexual drive is diverted into molesting themselves to pixels on an electronic screen.
Women are deprived of the masculine influence in their lives. They engage in more and more provocative behaviour to try to attract men but men are weakened by the indulgence in all their wanking.
Cut porn out of the equation and men would keep women more in line, like they used to in the past. Women need the male influence to guide them. Love it or hate it, women need masculine energy to remain balanced in life, and vice-versa.
Why would this happen? Because men would grow so frustrated by the lack of proper release that they would want to have a regular girlfriend to have access to sex.
Not all this degenerate sleeping around, that leaves us all jaded and miserable.
What feminist rubbish? Seems to me like this is just an opinion about women in general and ya only got to look at the 60+ or so men on here, that all agree with it vs like four that do not. Why do ya gotta blame porn for it? A guy can watch whatever the fuck he wants when he wants to and you have zero say over that. It's called freedom and no offence to you British people, but I often get the feeling Americans at the very least value freedom to do what ya want more. Women don't need men, men don't need women. Period. If a man or woman wants to focus on career or whatever else and stay single, more power to them, let em do as they choose, it's called individualism. Who gives a fuck if the majority of people look down on it if it makes us content?
i just wanna say women are unclear what they want , please if you don't like any one just tell them its hurts but fine !, don't waste one's time by keeping guys in strings or options , due to which guys loose total interest in female and then they live alone because the some girls show negative side of the women , and this is the truth whether you admit or not , i used to keep female friends , but after one such incident happened to me, so i don"t talk to women anymore i lost all interest !! stop fooling guys please
I can acknowledge that a lot of women fall into this. Bo Burnham has a great song about the contradictions guys and girls have when it comes to the other gender.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n450GmN2YfkI can't stop laughing when men criticize chivalry.
Also, no woman says it's sexism when a man carries heavy things for her. If she's strong enough, then she just says thanks and moves on. No one gets angry. I myself can carry very heavy objects and when in our classroom we do arrangements, boys do offer me to help carry the heavier stuff, I just smile and say "thank you so much but I can manage! Can you rather help me with that? *shows heavier object*" Why would someone be rude when people offer help?
And for money, like I always say it's always gonna be a fight with me in dates. Either you offer to pay first and I fight with you to let me pay instead, or you sit there like an asshole expecting me to pay and get dumped.
It's not the with you do for us, but rather the manner you show that we love. Even if we don't need the help, we will appreciate it.
It's not with what you do for us*** sorry typo :(
"And for money, like I always say it's always gonna be a fight with me in dates. Either you offer to pay first and I fight with you to let me pay instead, or you sit there like an asshole expecting me to pay and get dumped."
See, this is the kind of thing he's talking about. What if I want to see if you intend to pay for yourself or if I'm letting you offer first so I can insist on paying? So if a woman sits there expecting me to offer then she's not an asshole? The whole thing is annoying, just sayin'.
@AllThatSweetJazz Expecting the other one to pay is disgusting for anyone, except if it's like he's giving me a treat or I'm giving him a treat. But it feels good to see the men taking the initial step.
Of course, you do what works best for you in your relationship. So why should my opinions hurt anyone other than my boyfriend?
I would argue that the circumstances don't allow guys much wiggle room. So women not paying is an assholism and getting dumped is the consequence then what happens when expecting men to pay/offer and be cool with that is the prevalent attitude? Combine the difficultly of getting dates with the frequency of said dumping then it's rather impractical, no?
Hence you can see why I would think
"But it feels good to see the men taking the initial step."
doesn't exactly escape being a somewhat problematic position for guys to deal with.
@AllThatSweetJazz Then you do what works best for you. People ain't forcing you to pay for your girl. If she pays all the time and you both are okay, cool.
I think you missed my point. What if *nothing* works best for me or for any other guy? If paying results in me dumping her and not paying results in me getting dumped, then what's a guy to do? ... Not bother, nothing, not chase, etc i. e, the point of this article.
@AllThatSweetJazz If nothing works then it means you're both whiny af and have to sit and discuss.
Hardly seems like a good conclusion, especially since I'm incorporating *your* conditions into the scenario. Although, look at this, here we are sitting and discussing it, fancy that, so let's talk about it properly. So are you going to justify your conclusion, reconstruct your argument or just evade?
@AllThatSweetJazz Honestly, what I would like to do is totally up to me and my boyfriend. If taking to him make me feel like we better do something else, then yes I'll do it.
@AllThatSweetJazz Well, if you read what she said she never said it was going be easy.
She literally said that you would have to fight her either way so what I'd do is just stay at home and watch a movie or something and not go out anywhere plus it'd be cheaper though you could just agree to pay half of the bill each or another way is that every time you go out you have a rota about who pays so that the guy pays on certain meals and the girl pays for others and just pay for alternate nights out.
Or if you and your partner are both like that then just don't date until you get your act together and just be friends another thing is that you decide who pays before ordering (at best, before even going out to eat).
@WildStarMagic I really don't think that has much to do with what I'm asking. Also, side-note, I don't see why it can't be easy, and furthermore it was described as a 'fight' either way, which isn't really the case. You call it a 'fight' but him not paying is a fail-state and when he does it's a win-state, completely different. One 'fight' is just a dance, the other is a dump.
What I'm getting it is not about established relationships.
How do you form a relationship using the conditions she presented? If not paying is a dumpable offense then how does a guy reliably find himself in a relationship when it's not a girl's typical inclination to pay?
You got it right that it's not easy, the problem is that it's unreasonably hard when it needt be.
And I don't understand this "getting your act together" point you're making. What is that even in reference to? I can't tell if you're talking about an attitude problem or a financial one.
@AllThatSweetJazz Okay lemme explain better, in the fighting thing mentioned in the beginning, it's an Asian thing that people always want to pay by themselves so there is always an argument like "let me pay" "no let me pay this time" it's nothing like what you're thinking. In the end someone gives up and the other pays.
For me, if my guy initiates to pay then I'll be very grateful and impressed with his chivalry, which is why I said I'd fight to pay instead to show gratitude, and how much I appreciate his offer. On the other hand, if he doesn't offer to pay because I'm going to pay anyway, and I see no sign of him trying to pay by himself instead, well it's extremely rude and I'll conclude that he neither deserves my money not does he deserve me.
It's not the money, it's manners that I care about. In cases of shortage of money/being broke/not having enough money/forgetting your wallet etc cases, well those are exceptions and we can come up with a solution together.
@AllThatSweetJazz Attitude rather than financial.
"no woman says it's sexism when a man carries heavy things for her. If she's strong enough, then she just says thanks and moves on. No one gets angry. "
Sorry, but you're 16 and a girl. You have no idea what sort of batshit crazy ladys walk the earth and call themselves feminists.
Guys do. We know them well.
@Belgie But not all guys because some are 16 and young just like ourselves.
Though to be honest I think the Suffragettes that fought for women's rights (specifically the right to vote) would be embarrassed by the behaviour of some of the women that call themselves feminists e. g. that take it to extremes and then hate on men (though I find it ironic that in Ancient Egypt there was assumed to be more equality between the genders than there is now) but I also feel that our entire existence is just going downhill.
I understand the fighting thing. My point was that it doesn't matter who pays or how adamant the other person is to pay or whatever. Simply having the argument in the first place is a win-state, meaning; the relationship continues. It's just a dance, the outcome doesn't matter, it's just something you do for show.
Anyway, there's a couple of problems I have here.
One is that you're still expecting him to offer *first,* you've been clear about this. This is a little dick-ish to my mind because you're expecting more from another that you aren't doing yourself. It's extra dick-ish if you would punish that person for failing at things you expected of them that you yourself aren't doing.
Two is the set of conditions you've laid out: Guys should always offer, people who don't offer get dumped (including girls). What I don't get is why this is supposed to be a practical stance for guys trying to land a girl. Most girls are not going to get into the 'who pays' dance.
@WildStarMagic What attitude specifically though? Can you elaborate?
@WildStarMagic Suffragettes set off bombs and attacked people, I wouldn't exactly call them noble.
Feminists and Suffragettes don't and never have had a monopoly on women's rights or suffrage. Both seemed like corrupted and radicalized incarnations of good ideas: Universal suffrage and Egalitarianism.
But perhaps we shouldn't derail into a grand feminism discussion. :P
@AllThatSweetJazz What attitude? Well I could say just do as society dictates and just suck it up but I guess that's not the response you're looking for so I'll just say this because even though I'm probably way out of my depth here you asked me a question so I'll try to answer.
The attitude I'm talking about is the one that is saying that none of it is easy when it should. Of course it's not going to be easy; life in general isn't so why should dating be simple? I'd even go so far as to say that the dance you speak of is similar to that of other species when courting and even that comes with risks -some species even death.
It sounds like you are risk averse but I'd say that if there was no relationship formed then you could just ask "who's going to pay?" and if she offers then fine if she doesn't then fine but if you want to pay but she adamant on paying then ask if it would be alright to split the bill if she declines then she's either polite or just wants to prove herself to you.
@AllThatSweetJazz At least when they spoke they didn't sound like someone that had just finished their first day of preschool unlike some of the people that call themselves feminists.
Concerning suffragettes, that doesn't mean they'd have my respect even if they were any better, which is arguable.
Okay, so this is going to get long. Soz.
Well some societies insist I kill gays, would you have me suck it up then? Should I be telling gays to suck it up and deal with being murdered? Didn't think so. If you tell women they should suck it up and deal with earning less money people will flip out even that one is actually is reasonable because the pay gap is a myth. So obviously we're not going to blindly obey society's dictate and most don't, naturally I'm suspicious of people who seem to suggest it.
Just because some things are hard doesn't meant every part of this needs to be. Questioning society's dictate is good for figuring out what is actually fair/reasonable and what isn't. It's a guideline for keeping the wheels turning, not for optimization.
@WildStarMagic It's a dance we could arguably rise above. We can defy our nature, not to mention that other species have a different nature and if they had the same intelligence and moral capacity then they'd attempt to defy their nature too or risk extinction. So that's not really an argument.
@WildStarMagic
I accept there's risk involved but there's a couple problems.
One is that the present zeitgeist in western society aspires for equality, so men have begun to question how the world treats them. Combine this with point two; the reality there is no safe bet for a guy's efforts now. Once upon a time, yes your role a a guy may be crap for you but at the same time the pressure wasn't coming at you from all sides to walk an impossibly narrow path. Which brings us back to the whole point of the original article: In the straight male's quest for romance, the pressure exerted by females feels like it's been edging into the unreasonable. They're questioning if the risk-reward factor for 'chasing' is adequate and many are coming up with a no. How many guys' voices do you need to hear before you'll stop telling them to 'suck it up' or 'man up' and consider for a moment that what they are feeling is valid?
@AllThatSweetJazz In lower paying jobs a pay gap may be non-existent but it's in the higher paid jobs which are usually those that provide entertainment on some form e. g. athletes and tv presenters where it is more prevalent but to be honest it's not like their earning less than enough money to live (though athletes would end up having to change careers once they start being less fit and would probably end earn less anyway) unlike some people that live on the minimum wage which the government keeps on rising (that's why everything always goes up in price in the first place other than the normal rise of price because of inflation).
All I can tell is that humans are just begging for extinction (there's 7.5 billion of us but the reason for that is mainly because of medicine and the fact that people are living for longer) also less people are reproducing because of how women are wanting to wait until they have a sustainable life before settling down.
End of Part 1.
Part 2.
The whole paying for a meal is living up to instincts though and even if they are supposedly different for men and women it's still the same thing: showing that you can provide for your significant other which is what people normally like about someone (how many people end up being attracted to someone just because they have a well paying job? because it still seems to be incredibly common in women that still seem to want to have a significant other of a higher status or can at least provide for them).
When I say that humans want to become extinct I'm pointing out the fact that because there is so little for us to even fight about that viral trends which tend to be on the risky side take place and the younger people seem to do them and then complain about the pain afterwards when it goes horribly wrong.
You know most species' nature tends to be that of survive (and look after your own or other's young) or die.
End of Part 2
Final
More people in the Western Society don't care for other people's feelings which is shown by the lack of doctors and nurses and other jobs in that sector there are also less teachers and bigger classes which doesn't seem to be doing the education system any good.
As it currently stands I'd say that women put up this double standards with the whole idea of wanting an ego boost whether it's to put down a man by dumping him or the fact that she wants to prove herself as capable by paying for food by stepping into what would normally be the man's place all because of wanting to be equal which basically leaves the oppression of men even though they are "of higher status and have priority in this world" when actually with all the change taking place would at most make them a quiet majority if not themselves a minority.
I feel like I'm beating a dead horse so you won but I feel that I was too eager because I went off topic while on a few trains of thought that were not relevant.
@WildStarMagic We're going in a whole other direction now, so let's not flood this topic anymore. Message me if you want to keep chatting.
Perfect example of confusing us men. We need to pay, let you offer to pay, say no to your offering. If we don't offer to pay everything upfront, we're losers. If we take you up on your offer to split, we're jerks. So please, tell us guys how this benefits us?
@Profiler You did not even understand what I'm getting here lmao. Get outta here. This is between me and my guy only so you go ahead and do what you feel is the best with your girl and don't care about what people say.
I understood that your brain has no capacity to catch my words, so I better just explain:
If he initiates to pay: I'll be grateful for him being so nice and for that I would want to do something for him. Telling him to let me pay instead is just me saying that it's simply him offering to pay that made me happy.
If he doesn't offer to pay and expects me to pay instead: He took me for granted so he neither deserves my money not me.
Look before you leap, sir. Wanting to pay is completely an Asian thing.
@Profiler I've never heard of a scenario were guys have been dubbed as jerks for splitting pay.
If they didn't offer then I can see why women would assume that and if a woman didn't offer then I can see why men would call them jerks but for splitting pay?
I can't really see what people would find wrong with it since they always ask for equality then surely this would be an example of it taking place.
Also @CubsterShura the whole woman wanting to pay has become more common in the Western Culture which probably another reason why you are being challenged so much.
Anyway, the whole point you gave was that by default the guy has to at the very least, offer, this is confusing guys because it makes the woman a judgmental so'n so which also meaning that if she also doesn't offer then she could be dumped if guys had the same ruling.
Also it makes it more awkward if it comes to the point that both refrain from offering until the very last minute which could lead to a fight hence splitting pay
@WildStarMagic I'm talking about chivalry here don't u see?
Your image of 'chivalry' never existed. And you're making it so that there's no right answer, just for the sake of it, to shit-test guys in a way that they can't ever win with you. You say "it's always gonna be a fight with me in dates. Either you offer to pay first and I fight with you to let me pay instead, or you sit there like an asshole expecting me to pay and get dumped." So tell me- what happens if I fight back with you and refuse to let you pay instead, or demand that you at least let me split the bill? That's disrespecting you, treating you like a little kid or a charity case. But it's what you claim that you want. You don't want to be respected, or treated like an independent equal. You want to be demeaned, belittled, treated like a dependent inferior.
In what you've said, you've shown that you want a guy who won't accept "No" for an answer; who'll do whatever he wants to do with you, for you and to you, regardless of whether you tell him that you want him to or not. You want him to view your words, your wishes, your CONSENT, as worthless and meaningless stuff which can be ignored or dismissed. And you want him to force his will upon you to show his dominance, even if you tell him "NO", even if you demand that he stop and let you do it instead. What the fuck is wrong with you? Why the fuck do you love rapists so much?
I do see but the thing is, that guys (when hearing women want to treated equally) understand that being courteous to women as not prioritising them as offering to pay for them would be doing.
Therefore they will not want to pay or at least would not offer until a woman has therefore as AllThatSweetJazz and Profiler said it becomes a dance that is deemed by many to be unnecessary especially if it is their first date and/or they haven't met each other before because in a way (at least in Western Societies) it puts guys off because if the reaction is the woman wanting to fight for paying then what's the point in offering to pay if they are going to be denied anyway and vice versa with girls (with the expectation of wanting a man to pay but wanting to pay anyway) because by waiting for a guy to pay implies that the woman is a gold digger but if the guy doesn't offer to pay then it implies that he just wants your money.
Which is why they were challenging you and it's why people are put off.
Also, if you didn't want people you argue with you (I'm getting some serious vibes about this from your comments that are telling me to stop though I probably won't unless to tell us your reasoning which has gotten you into this mess in the first place) then you shouldn't have commented a visceral response to a highly opinionated article because emotions tend to start arguments in the first place in fact this comment thread is a good example (you have been cornered my friend so either fight back with reason or give in and say they've won).
The main problem with your original opinion is because you said: "And for money, like I always say it's always gonna be a fight with me in dates. Either you offer to pay first and I fight with you to let me pay instead, or you sit there like an asshole expecting me to pay and get dumped." which is adding an extra double standard that guys have to negotiate and it means that the have to put more effort into the relationship than the girl.
@SinghSong what the hell? You're taking this too far and creating issues that never even existed. I said it a hundred times and I'll say it again: If he offers to pay, then I'll feel the need to show him gratitude and let him know that I'm happy with his behavior by paying by myself instead. I didn't mean fighting as in a real fight lmao stop taking it so seriously. If he seems very eager to pay, then I'll let him do it if it makes him happy. But if he sits there expecting me to pay and not even offering to pay after me, I'll take it as a signal that he's taking me for granted, which is a big red flag in every relationship.
I don't wanna continue to talk with a man who takes chivalry to as far as rape and writes a myTake on why men don't chase women anymore, lmao who told you that we are desperate for being chased? You think my entire life depends on how much men chase me? Do men chase me? No. Why would they? It's plainly stupid. Only one man should ever chase me.
Of course, only one man should ever chase you- the epitome of male perfection who you deem yourself to be entitled to. You've gone on and on about how much taking your partner for granted "is a big red flag in every relationship"- but you yourself openly admit to deliberately taking the hospitality and generosity of any man who dates you for granted, just for the sake of it, and believe yourself to be justifies and entitled to do so, solely on the basis of you being female and him being male. That red flag you're talking about? That's the red flag which you're draping yourself in, and the reason why neither I nor any self-respecting man clued in about your psyche would want to chase you. You're a blind hypocrite.
I'm trying to be a civil about this as I can but honestly it just seems like you can't listen to yourself. So one more time, I'm going to trying using more bite size responses for easy digestion.
"If he offers to pay, then I'll feel the need to show him gratitude and let him know that I'm happy with his behavior by paying by myself instead."
There's no equality (fairness) if you don't apply your principles equally. Apply your principle to yourself and you'll see it breaks down, this is my problem with it.
"I didn't mean fighting as in a real fight lmao stop taking it so seriously. If he seems very eager to pay, then I'll let him do it if it makes him happy."
That's why I called it a dance, it's a joke, a play-fight, and hence still a win-state in the dating game.
"You think my entire life depends on how much men chase me?"
Way to think small and make it about all about you.
This *is* relevant to *men* and to women who want men, and if it gets worse then yes eventually you will care.
@SinghSong Relationship preferences aren't the same as taking things for granted. I never take anything for grantes unlike you who expect women to be submissive for you all the time. None of us fucking care whether or not you chase us. I'd rather change my sexuality than be chased by an ill-minded man like you lol keep on hating I feed on ill men's hate >:]
So why don't you change your sexuality then? With that kind of attitude, you'll never go hungry, that's for sure. Hate engenders hate.
@SinghSong I don't need to change my sexuality because not all men are jerks like you. I'm outta here.
Again, hate gives rise to hate. If all you do is fling insults and spew hatred, then why the hell should we show you any courtesy or respect for that? You're a proper glass cannon- the tiniest bit of return fire, and you fall apart, shattering into tiny little pieces.
After all, you did claim that you fed off men's hate, and that you were laughing out loud. So I'm doing exactly what you implicitly stated that you wanted from men- to be the focal point of their hatred, giving you the attention which you so crave, and providing you with your preferred form of comedic entertainment. For instance, I could go off on a rant and deride you as a deceitful, two-faced, fickle, shallow bitch who's unfit to be a human being, and whose only value is as a glorified glory hole. And according what you've said about yourself in your responses, you should enjoy that. So, if what you say is true, you should thank me for spewing hatred at you. If you take offence at any hate speech which a man uses against you, then it again proves that you were either being a hypocrite or a bare-faced liar.
My God do people even respond to this expired thread anymore? Get a life man 😂😂😂
Well, yes, you did cover a lot of it.
For me personally I'd like to add, that men can be taken advantage of by paying for the bill and then being ghosted on. And that "chasing" is not worth my time wasted. It's either a yes, no or maybe - just maybe - some other time later but my clock keeps ticking and my tasks keep getting done and created.
I hate mind games.
Women don't know what they want, plain and simple. They change their minds or can't make up their mind. They are really choosy in the types of guys that they will date and marry. I think guys should do a better job and not fall for the wrong type of women and play it safe when it comes to dating women.
My question is why the fuck men even are tolerating the sort of bitchy behavior y'all so often talk about? Like not being able to pick a restaurant or complaining about being fat. When literally not even that many women do that type of shit. Makes me wonder why you guys have been chasing after them for so long and why you're just realizing NOW that "hey, that sort of behavior is pretty dumb". Lol.
Not me. I stopped dating back in 2000, 17 years ago.
@burpzzzzz *19 years
@UI_Vegeta01 haha congrats, you found a take that was posted in 2017. You're late to the party.
Oh shit
I believe we both have flaws and should work out with them.
Nobody's perfect anyway, let's try to find someone who's imperfect but makes you happy.
I've figured out that chasing women just isn't worth the time or effort. I'm not interested in playing mind games, and if she's just craving the attention I'm not going to validate her.
If it seems like she wants a guy to chase her, I just drop her and move on.
Most men don't have the social intuition to be able to read body language and facial expressions to determine her emotions at that specific time you master those three and approaching women it's not difficult at all. It's usually the fear of rejection the stops most men because they thought themselves, if you approach a girl doubting yourself she's going to feel that doubt with her intuition and it's going to creep her out.
She's not wrong
sorry not going to jail for a false rape allegation.
I think there is an exception to that.
Men aren't chasing AVERAGE WOMEN. Bad bitches/HB 8+/pretty girls/beauties/dime pieces whatever term you wanna use will always be chased by men and get first pick
my advise to women is if you wanna be chased and get that star treatment do a few things:
1) make yourself as hot as you can
2) dont be a hoe. dont be out here sleeping with every 3rd guy who gets in your inbox. be exclusive
You're wrong I attracted to average women more than the hot ones. Hot women can be total cunts. I used to live with an ex model when I rented a room down stairs.
"my advise to women is if you wanna be chased and get that star treatment do a few things:
1) make yourself as hot as you can"
Yup. Cause if you are a complete idiot, it doesn't matter as long as you are hot right? Give me a break. You think guys are all idiots who will wag their tails just at the sight of a boob? Grow up. Not all men are like this. Either offer something like smarts, personality etc. or don't expect men other than trash. Not hard to figure out.
You're not going to get many girls replying to this question. Girls hate being called on their B. S.
oh fuck yes! So true! Dare say anything like this and even GUYS assume you are just MGTOW, MRA, red pill, bitter, lonely, incel, etc and dismiss you as a loser. At the very least MGTOW has some good points and so does this take. Just look at the roaring number of guys agreeing with it wholeheartedly. Impossible we are ALL one of those things people dismiss us as.
Yup. Cuz they're just not worth it anymore.
The truth is they still do, and there are still girls worth chasing, but you have to be more selective. So date a LOT, and you'll have enough experience to actually be able to discern whether they're worth your time and effort to pursue.
They're out there, you just have to sift through all the dregs to find them.
And how many dregs of raw sewage can you sift through before deciding that it's not worth the hassle of dredging through all that shit?
LOL. Made me laugh. I know, it's a mine field out there. Ya gotta be just AWESOME!
And always remember, YOU ARE THE PRIZE!
All of the approaches that you've listed here won't work for the average guy, so don't even waste your time trying. FYI, the best way is still the old fashioned way. If you can't meet decent women at church, or through friends, than you're just shit out of luck...