Women have failed to solidify proper boundaries and set the frame for what they want and expect in a relationship. Want your man to do the dishes? Let him know. Don’t just wait and wait and then do them yourself in a passive aggressive manner. Let him do the dishes.
@WowwwGirl as much as you are sweet to girls you are sour to men, you may be right in some aspects but you are too biased actually, but the way you present it was like to burn some people for that job well done😂😂😂
Yea but you have guys with traditional views who won't accept or doesn't want to do it, that's mainly the issue. Some people still simplify daily routine as feminine or masculine when it should just be labelled as self sufficient.
Unfortunately that is true that some still think that way. Doing house chores aren’t feminine. I mean, what do you think these guys do when they live by themselves as a single man? They do the chores themselves. (Unless they are complete slobs)
It is a bit of myth that women in the 50s were walking around like the stepford wives. And women and men can sit down and figure out how they want to distribute the at home chores and other things about the relationship. If one person is doing all the giving then that person needs to verbalize that they don't like it. If the other person won't change then it's up to the giver to decide if the relationship is worth having.
I wont' take personal responsibility for a perceived lack in the entire male population because everyone has the ability to make their own choices. Where some people might view the changes in men as lacking others will see men who are more involved in their marriages and child rearing than ever before and men who are kind hearted.
Basically you're blaming men for how women have failed. But then are giving out self-serving bologna by talking about how far women have come. So which one is it? Women have failed because of men? Or women have come a long way?
"All this whinnying and crying about paying for dates and blaming women for failing their gender, isn't working for you fellas." - Ironic much?
I will admit that I do more housework than my boyfriend, but that is only because we have different ideas of when things need to be done. My boyfriend would wait until we literally have no plates or cups before he does the washing up, but I hate looking at dirty dishes once they make it over to the sink and counter, and hate waking up to a messy kitchen. So although I would love to divide it equally, and he is willing to do that, I end up doing more because there are certain messes I don't want to put up with for too long.
My husband learned what it was like the past few weeks I was frustrated at him I didn’t cook clean nothing but I fed myself and my son only he learned what it was like grocery shopping cleaning the house cooking doing the laundry washing the dishes feeding out pet ferret having to deal with the wooden floors that get so dirty so easy he learned what it was like having to watch out 5 year old son having to make a mess after picking up after him just 2 minutes prior but then I got over it and I started doing everything once again the mf didn’t even care what I was going threw although I’m currently 5 months pregnant and still puts the pressure on me I kinda regret starting to do the house work again since he’s unappreciated but that’s a typical man
Do you have something personal against men? The last article has a similar premise as this one but a very different angle. You still manage to point of what men do wrong and result in things women do wrong.
Whenever something in my life isn’t going my way either with dating or whatever, I take a step back and look at myself. I evaluate what I’m doing right or wrong. The blame game is not for me because it means I’m giving up the power to forge my own destiny.
Be who you want to be. Don’t blame anyone for your hardships. The only failure is in giving up.
I'm sort of enjoying the highly modified 1950s model. My wife is a stay at home mother. I've shared in the chores to some degree. When we both worked, I'd do the laundry. She'd do the cleaning, I'd mow the grass. We'd share cooking. When the kids came, she stayed home and did all the cooking. I would do only my laundry. Now she and the boys do almost everything. I'm older and have a little less energy and work seems to wear me down more... almost 60. This is a model, BOTH of us prefer.
All that is to say, There's no way "Women are as feminine today as ever...". The "do it all" woman is pretty hardened from the experience. And yes, men pretty much expect her to pull in half the money. It's been a messed up model for quite some time. I'm not saying women should be relegated to the kitchen the rest of their lives, but while there are kids around the SAHM is indispensible.
Yeah is your opinion Some times we can have silimar opinions other time No.
This time I don't agree with many things
First: I am Man and I do all the work of the house, Like Cleaning, Cook, Order, etc Because I Love Clean.
The women today (some one) don't want to do neither housework, such as cleaning and etc, and that's fine, but they think that doing that is "going back" and it's not like that, if I regret that in movies they don't happen to people doing everyday things like cleaning, mopping, etc.
Men and women are equal with the same rights and this part of most women win more money than a men It's true. And Nobody complain. Women only like works and jobs like management, CEO, etc. But don't want other dangerous jobs what many men do it. (Because the pay little money and it is a difficult and dangerous job).
So, all that's thing Like Feminism is a Illusion, because we are equals since XX century.
Cleaning and being clean is something both people should do. I was taught to clean. I was raised to always be clean. I wouldn't expect my wife to clean up after me but I would expect her to be clean as well. Keeping the house clean is something everyone should do if they are single or with someone. It should never be a gender responsibility. It's an important responsibility.
Are you a feminist? And I'm being serious here. On your other post about failures of modern men you basically bashed men for being wimps.
And now failure of modern women. You're basically saying women failed for accomplishing too much. And then at the end you're telling men to stop whining and being an embarrassment?
Aren't feminists the ones that continues to complain about how unfair everything is for a woman? Despite the many achievements that women obtained.
Lol your bias is so strong and ridiculous. I just can't handle it.
Hey, @AndrewMG: I'm sure you'd find numerous remarks like this on the dribble that @WowwGirl posts on this website. I suggest you quit using the toxic website that is @GirlsAskGuys. Too many people like @WowwGirl expouse biased dribble on this platform. Funny thing is: I remember reading a post she made in April last year not long after the pandemic was declared. She claimed many bad-mouthed her on here. I can now appreciate why that's the case. She has a holier than art though attitude about herself; that's arrogant and horridly unattractive to any self-respecting man.
I would have to agree. Right now I am seeking a husband who isn’t lazy and is a responsible family man. I dread the day that I would have to do all the housework all by myself after 9 /10 hours of long hard work at my job. I’m not interested in marrying a man who thinks child rearing is only responsibility of a woman’s. These types tend to be misogynistic and incapable fathers. There are also many consequences of being a housewife. Financial abuse is one of the top things about a permanently dependent spouse. Your husband can take away your allowance or money whenever he is unhappy with you. So you would struggle to stand up to him when necessary due to the power imbalance. Housewives also tend to be less likely to divorce their husbands in unhappy marriages due to their inability to support themselves. Being unemployed for 10 or more years , doesn’t make you look more employable. its a trap that many folks over glorify
Well your responsibility as woman is to teach kids emotions, I as man can't really do it, I can teach how to be strong, stoic at times, how to build your own house, fix car, camping and a lot other stuff, but I cannot teach what woman can.
@_inkRat Kids naturally have emotions. And as a father , you must teach them how to handle their emotions. Parenting is not only a woman’s job, if the only thing you can contribute to your kids lives is just to build a tent or go fishing , you clearly don’t know what is required of parenting.
Teach your kids to be mature , how to properly handle jealousy failures or frustrations. Teach them proper manners , social etiquette , how to speak to their bosses and to teach them the values of respect and compassion.
It’s not impossible for men to teach kids these things , men just are brainwashed to believe that they don’t have emotions. Men do feel hurt or jealous or disappointed in life. Real adult men have solutions to that
@_inkRat i mean, as a woman, I can also learn to build a house , fix a car , go fishing , build a tent, and I can also teach my kids how to do those things. What’s the point of having a dad , if it’s possible for smart mom to have learned how to do all those things? A responsible family man is someone to who recognizes “ father “ as a serious parenting responsibility. If you think men are naturally incapable as parents , you will not be a good dad
@nella965 there are things where man are better at and thing where woman are better at. And no Man are not brainwashed about emotions, yes we feel them, but often we dont know how to deal with them, we tend just to burry them. I know i can't teach emotion stuff, So thats is what i expect of woman. Yes woman can teach how to build house, how to fix car and camping, but honestly if they can they are unicorns. In no way im implying that parenting is only womans job, it has to be done by both man and woman, just that there are parenting parts where woman are a lot more suited for, than man, as there are parenting parts where man are more suited than woman. Like it or not there are gender norms, with man i do expect them to know about cars, construction and other things, for woman i do expect them to know about clothing, fashion, emotions and other stuff. If you know and can do other sides stuff great, all power to you. Yes you can learn all those things, but what good will have from it if you dont enjoy them, and learned just for kid? It does sounds as bit weird but one thing man can teach is how to be strong, our stoicism/ ability to burry emotions does show how to be strong. I do believe that thinking you as woman can do everything and you dont need man is dangerous. Woman are great at softer side, man at teaching backbone and thicker skin.
@nella965 Yeah I think my IQ just dropped 20 points and I lost brain cells from reading WowwGirl's pointless nonsense type dribble. It takes the average household 2 incomes both the man and woman working full time jobs or one full time job and one part time job to make ends meet when paying for a mortgage or rent or for child care when they're not at school. Also both the mother and the father should be raising the kid/s together since it took 2 people to make that/those baby/babies/kid/s. A child or children need both parents in their lives so the kid or children can be normal fully functioning adults or whatever close to normal is nowadays in this fucked up society. As far as the cleaning goes take turns and/or split the household duties don't just sit on your ass and let the other person do all the work. It takes two to fully run a household, but if the parents were smart provided the couple has kids they would put the kids to work while the parents work and stay home and rest and split the cooking and let the kids do the dishes and cleaning and vacuuming and watch over them while they do the laundry. Unpaid child slave labor gotta love it. LOL.
@nella965 The only thing I read from WowwGirl was a pointless and senseless attack on men spewing a lot of misadranistic crap the very same things she condemns when guys spew pointless attacks on women in misogynistic ways. I could of spent the time reading what she had to say and put that time in to something more valuable and more worthy of my time then wasting it by reading it. But oh well live and learn I guess. But yeah it takes 2 to run a fully functioning household both work both share in the responsibilities to run that household ie share the chores equally.
@_inkRat I think you’re putting way too much emphasis on male or female roles. When in reality , most mothers actually do not cater to their kids emotions. Most moms are too busy doing housework, trying to pay for their children’s food, education, keeping their kids safe from street crime, cooking for their families, yelling about grades. Most moms do not know how to cater to their child’s emotional needs especially if the kid gets older into middle school and high school.
It’s way too much of an exaggerated stereotype that mothers care for their children emotional needs. They don’t. Most kids didn’t grow up with such mothers. Way too many UNQUALIFIED MOMS walking around. You have no idea.
@RandD4Ever you know what? Your comment is the most objective, logical , untainted of any of the sexism that is commonly celebrated on here. Anyone who has raised children will understand that it’s an extremely tough job that requires a lot of money , work and sacrifice. Many of these folks think that life is still like the 1970s where it’s easy to get a job, buy a house, raise kids off of one income. They think Mom and dad have nothing to worry about cuz they assume life was the same as 45 years ago.
Nowadays most mothers actually have to work in order to pay for food , mortgage , car , retirement savings , taxes , college savings. Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Housewives are simply unaffordable and unrealistic. Women really do not have the time to cater to their child’s every need cuz most are actually working.
I totally agree that raising mentally healthy well functioning kids requires both parents. Having a father who doesn’t think he needs to contribute to his as much as mom , is just an incapable father.
@nella965 Most of these people wouldn't even know what to do when their baby gets sick or how to deal with a baby teething or changing a diaper or how to check the temperature of a bottle or what to do when a baby has an ear infection or when the baby has a temperature or be willing and able to get up at 1 2 or even 3am to feed the child. Heck most don't even know what it's like dealing with a child's school especially when the parent doesn't like the teacher or principal of the school the child is attending. Most probably never even heard of the term latchkey child. It takes two to raise the child just as it took two to make that child. I'm not saying a family has to be only male and female I'm not saying that at all a family can be male and male or female and female but in general two parental figures are needed to raise a healthy child not just physically but mentally and emotionally as well. Just as it takes two people to support a functioning household. And as far as mortgages go trust me it's not as easy as one may think especially when one is trying to get a mortgage out of state very far out of state it becomes an incredible nightmare since most banks try to screw you over since the '08 housing fiascal. I was actually told and I will never forget this that banks and mortgage companies were turning people down who made very high 5 digit and low 6 digit figures from getting a mortgage at least what that shitty RocketMortgage lender company told me when I applied for a mortgage through those jerkoffs.
@nella965 99% of the people on here don't have the slightest clue what it's like to live in the adult grownup world because they been to sheltered by mommy and daddy and living in their parents basement their whole lives. They have no idea what it's like to deal with brokerage companies when it comes to investments have no idea the difference between a roth ira and a traditional ira (heck some brokers who work for mortgage companies can't even tell you the difference and yes there is a difference but no one really cares or pays attention and lets things slip our little secret shhh) most people on here don't even know what happens when a person has a 401k plan sure they may have heard of a 401k but most don't know what's really involved and how you can lose your entire pension based on some moron who's handling it or some greedy corporate exec prick who only wants to look after his own wallet and job. These people on here have a lot of growing up to do. They have no idea how expensive it is to maintain a car or the tricks to buying a car which I learned on my own and from watching my friends all screwup big time at it (here's a hint NEVER use a car company's bank or a dealerships lending company or take out a car loan always pay for it in cash if you can or go to a credit lending company of your own picking never use a dealership bank or dealership lending company and sell your old car yourself first and if you don't have enough then go to your own credit lending company and have them write you a check for the amount you need for the car and never get those extra crap services they want to offer you at the end of the deal since majority of them are completely worthless and complete junk and a waste of money)
@nella965 And here's another small hint what these kiddies on here don't know. Real money comes from real estate not owning it and living it in yourself but owning it and RENTING it out so someone else pays for your mortgage while you own the property that's how you hold true assets. Look it's like this you need money to make money. Years ago when I was 19 or 20 I had an old polish jew tell me the real secret to making money is to lend it out and take the interest on it plus the original capital. None of that sunk in at the time until my late 30's when I finally figured out what he meant. Investing. Look at how banks and credit card companies make their money they lend it out then they take the interest on that initial principle they lent out. Most of these kids in here don't even have the slightest clue what that entails or the risks involved and the potential to lose money if you're not careful as well. They think going to work and holding down a 9-5 with minimum job security as another number in an already congestive system is the key to making money and the answer that will solve all their problems and the kids today who plan on going to college and getting that BA or BS won't even be able to find a job let alone a job in their own field when they graduate and have no idea how to survive in the real world and work for themselves or hustle or side hustle to make a living
@nella965 I think gender roles are there for reason, to have some level of expectations of person. It doesn't mean you cannot break them and go into other direction if you want, you can do it. But i think you would agree that woman know more about caring for babies than man. There are exceptions as always, but in my mind some level of at least know how for appropiate gender role, one should have. Oh no I do know how terrible humans can be, our brutally is unmached.
@_inkRat women do not know more about caring for babies. Women are just better bedside caring than men. But don’t simply assume that women know how to change diapers without being taught. My mother left me to sleep as a baby without turning off the lights and as a result I developed terrible eye sight and needed glasses as soon as I turned 5 years old. My mother didn’t know how to feed my brother so she used to stuff huge oversized spoonfuls of food into his mouth. As a result , he began stuffing his face every time he eats since I was a little boy. He’s 18 now and he still has this same habit of taking in over sized bites.
My father loved over feeding us and gave us kids portion sizes that were 3 times too big. As a result my brother and I grew up to be overweight compared to other children. My mother also was NOT caring but a narcissistic bitch who was jealous of me in every way as I entered high school. She was abusive and neglected me since I hit puberty. She has an inherent hatred for me for no reason and is sadistic, loves torturing me.
My ex boyfriend also had a mother who abused him for many years and now he has officially abandoned her. You need to get out of this mentally that all mothers are great or they know how to raise kids. MANY OF THEM ARE UNQUALIFIED
As I understand it, it was women's CHOICE to fight for their "rights". Now you have the right to go to work and spend your days in some office instead of staying home to give your children much-needed love and attention while you home-educate them and prepare them for life with useful, REAL life-skills. Like cooking. But then again, most of today's women have no idea what cooking is all about - they just buy fast food and take-aways.
Well, that was worth fighting for. Because "inequality" hurt your egos. If the equality movement had been the other way, men fighting for a right to stay home and do homework, would that seem healthy to you? Exactly.
Yeah, that's what I expected. Meanwhile women fall back on gender norms by demanding men pay for everything, forcing men to do the majority of paid work resulting in men actually working slightly more then women when you take into account both paid work and house work (and child rearing). But as per usual, your goal isn't balance, its getting as much privilege as you can while shedding as much responsibility as possible. This is why men are checking out, your not worth the effort anymore.
@iOoko And refuse to marry men who make less then them, are less happy in relationships with men who make less and are far more likely to divorce them, less likely to have sex with guys who do house work or traditionally feminine roles etc. etc.
This is why she infuriates me, she states that the problem with men is that they are not traditional enough, and the problem with women is that they are not nontraditional enough. She wants all the privilege and none of the responsibilities and then acts like its men's fault for not wanting to be apart of an arrangement that is entirely to his detriment and her benefit. She wants to give nothing while getting everything and cries victim when she can't get it. This is why I despise women like her, just because they are women, doesn't mean they have to be weak.
Excuse me but women aren't responsible for men's masculinity. Men are. Don't put this on women. All you're doing is giving men more reasons to blame women and feminism for their failures so that they don't have to take responsibility. Women aren't responsible for men's masculinity just because we decided that we wanted to do more than have babies, be wives, and do feminine work. We took control of our lives and freedoms. It's men's fault that they've allowed women's new positions in this world to emasculate them.
Blame? For what? More often it is this is my space leave me/us alone here. i still can't understand how you managed to turn boy scouts in mixed scouts. Name boy scouts should have told plenty
1. Western liberal teachings that pamper boys and neglect them importance of embracing true and aligned masculinity.
2. The constant pampering from women and having them step up to positions to fill their shoes so that they have a reason to slack off.
3. Porn addiction and chronic masturbation SAPS the drive and test levels out of men.
4. Today’s food is pumped with an excess of estrogen.
Compared to the old days, Men have lost their fire. But these are merely reasons, and should not be EXCUSES to fall back. That’s simply because a real man takes accountability and ownership.
I see your point in my parents. My Mum is a nurse (currently working front line) and my dad is self employed. My dad usually works from 8AM to 3PM, whereas my Mum works from 8AM to 6PM.
When my Dad gets home from work, usually before I'm back from school he puts his feet up for the rest of the night and watches TV.
My Mum gets home around 3 to 4 hours later and has to start cooking dinner. Then it's 9PM and she has to do the washing up. Then she has to make sure my younger sisters are in bed. Then she goes to bed, all the while my Dad hasn't done anything to help.
On my Mum's days off she does housework all day and then cooks and does the same evening cycle again.
She is the main breadwinner for the family and even then she has to go home and work all evening doing housework.
It annoys me that this happens and I have always thought that when I start a family, I will do everything I can to support my wife and make her life easier.
Are men less masculine, or have the lines just blurred as some men do "feminine work"... cleaning carpets, airline attendant, nursing, house cleaning... and women go into military combat, fly planes, doctors, fighting, etc.. ? Women wanted equality.
Well... Think I'll borrow my neighbors gun, shoot one of the local deer, gut it , and make some venison burgers! boo ya!
p. s. most women who just read that are revolted... we've outsourced a lot of duties men used, primarily do and are not so viewed as "normal".
Nice take owly girl, did you steal this 1950's housewife picture from my album 😂
The only thing that lacks your take is how these changes have affected our lives, our upbringings and our views on marriage and the family's structure...
You must make another part!
I'm glad that i'm still living in the 1950's 😊 The 2 things that i'll change are: Women aren't second class citizens, because a woman completes a man just like a man completes a woman, they both need each other, mentally and physically... Also the housewife should be appreciated and not be treated like a slave, because a housewife knows that her husband is her life and without him she's nothing but always remember that your the machine doing all these stuff and your wife ks your fuel, when the fuel vanishes, you will just stop as a machine and starts to rust and rot in your place...
I know that i don't have to because it's the housewife's role to clean but it isen't something to be ashamed of, in the end the wife is cleaning after herself, after her husband and kids only, remember that she and her husband are one and her kids are a part of her which means she will be happy doing it, at least she's ot cleaning after strangers or in a coffee shop or restaurant... etc
It's true that a man builds a house or buy a house but when he gets married it becomes the house of the wife too because there is no difference between a man and his wife which means she's cleaning her house!
@TonyMetal_1986 you can't tell a liberal man to watch his language me and in the same breath tell a liberal woman to suck your #*$+ Tony🤣💙 man... getting crazy on me
May I say, from the bottom of my masculine heart, go fuck yourself. Men are killed on the job more than 10 times the rate of women, no one is marching about that. Men make more because we are up on skyscrapers welding columns together, or in boilers doing repairs while suited up against dangerous gases, or cutting gigantic trees down so you can wipe your dainty feminine ass on Charmin while you work at a clerical job with your university degree complaining to your fellow female clerks you make less than a roofer who takes his life in his hands every day he's on the job. Tough shit, lady. When you get home from your job if you want the housework split between you and your S. O. 50-50, discuss it with that person. Don't think it's a societal problem. It's your house and your problem. Deal with it.
Except the women who are in the kind of relationships where they are still treated as house maids are exactly the kind of women like you- the ones who glorify toxic masculine behaviors and drift from one trainwreck of an abusive relationship into another.
Women who respect themselves haven't failed, they are in happy relationships with sensible men who believe both in equal privilege and equal responsibility.
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Women have failed to solidify proper boundaries and set the frame for what they want and expect in a relationship. Want your man to do the dishes? Let him know. Don’t just wait and wait and then do them yourself in a passive aggressive manner. Let him do the dishes.
Well that's true power lies with those who care less..
That's what I meant
@WowwwGirl as much as you are sweet to girls you are sour to men, you may be right in some aspects but you are too biased actually, but the way you present it was like to burn some people for that job well done😂😂😂
Yea but you have guys with traditional views who won't accept or doesn't want to do it, that's mainly the issue.
Some people still simplify daily routine as feminine or masculine when it should just be labelled as self sufficient.
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Unfortunately that is true that some still think that way. Doing house chores aren’t feminine. I mean, what do you think these guys do when they live by themselves as a single man? They do the chores themselves. (Unless they are complete slobs)
Exactly!
Or maybe you people are just nuts? Who in the fuck doesn’t wash dishes? Like you guys need to get off the internet.
I’ve had too many roommates try me.
I won't.
I believe you
@MzAsh 🙂
It is a bit of myth that women in the 50s were walking around like the stepford wives.
And women and men can sit down and figure out how they want to distribute the at home chores and other things about the relationship. If one person is doing all the giving then that person needs to verbalize that they don't like it. If the other person won't change then it's up to the giver to decide if the relationship is worth having.
I wont' take personal responsibility for a perceived lack in the entire male population because everyone has the ability to make their own choices. Where some people might view the changes in men as lacking others will see men who are more involved in their marriages and child rearing than ever before and men who are kind hearted.
Bitch shut up you don't know shit. Us man worked. So much to provide all you couch potat
Couch potatoes do is complain about everything
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Basically you're blaming men for how women have failed. But then are giving out self-serving bologna by talking about how far women have come. So which one is it? Women have failed because of men? Or women have come a long way?
"All this whinnying and crying about paying for dates and blaming women for failing their gender, isn't working for you fellas." - Ironic much?
I will admit that I do more housework than my boyfriend, but that is only because we have different ideas of when things need to be done. My boyfriend would wait until we literally have no plates or cups before he does the washing up, but I hate looking at dirty dishes once they make it over to the sink and counter, and hate waking up to a messy kitchen. So although I would love to divide it equally, and he is willing to do that, I end up doing more because there are certain messes I don't want to put up with for too long.
Im almost the same as him, but i could not walk past something broken or not upgrading something at home.
@DonCachondo welcome
My husband learned what it was like the past few weeks I was frustrated at him I didn’t cook clean nothing but I fed myself and my son only he learned what it was like grocery shopping cleaning the house cooking doing the laundry washing the dishes feeding out pet ferret having to deal with the wooden floors that get so dirty so easy he learned what it was like having to watch out 5 year old son having to make a mess after picking up after him just 2 minutes prior but then I got over it and I started doing everything once again the mf didn’t even care what I was going threw although I’m currently 5 months pregnant and still puts the pressure on me I kinda regret starting to do the house work again since he’s unappreciated but that’s a typical man
Al least you don't have to deal with a noisey mother in law. Dude thats the worts. My ex mother in law hated my guts.
xD It was fun reading it xD but it would be more fun to read how it went for you assuming all men jobs bessids at times doing nothing at house.
@_inkRat no guy denied you guys suck at housework
@WowwGirl nah you just suck at ignoring stuff laying in sink or on floor
Do you have something personal against men? The last article has a similar premise as this one but a very different angle. You still manage to point of what men do wrong and result in things women do wrong.
Whenever something in my life isn’t going my way either with dating or whatever, I take a step back and look at myself. I evaluate what I’m doing right or wrong. The blame game is not for me because it means I’m giving up the power to forge my own destiny.
Be who you want to be. Don’t blame anyone for your hardships. The only failure is in giving up.
I'm sort of enjoying the highly modified 1950s model. My wife is a stay at home mother. I've shared in the chores to some degree. When we both worked, I'd do the laundry. She'd do the cleaning, I'd mow the grass. We'd share cooking. When the kids came, she stayed home and did all the cooking. I would do only my laundry. Now she and the boys do almost everything. I'm older and have a little less energy and work seems to wear me down more... almost 60. This is a model, BOTH of us prefer.
All that is to say, There's no way "Women are as feminine today as ever...".
The "do it all" woman is pretty hardened from the experience. And yes, men pretty much expect her to pull in half the money. It's been a messed up model for quite some time. I'm not saying women should be relegated to the kitchen the rest of their lives, but while there are kids around the SAHM is indispensible.
Yeah is your opinion
Some times we can have silimar opinions other time No.
This time I don't agree with many things
First: I am Man and I do all the work of the house, Like Cleaning, Cook, Order, etc Because I Love Clean.
The women today (some one) don't want to do neither housework, such as cleaning and etc, and that's fine, but they think that doing that is "going back" and it's not like that, if I regret that in movies they don't happen to people doing everyday things like cleaning, mopping, etc.
Men and women are equal with the same rights and this part of most women win more money than a men It's true. And Nobody complain. Women only like works and jobs like management, CEO, etc. But don't want other dangerous jobs what many men do it. (Because the pay
little money and it is a difficult and dangerous job).
So, all that's thing Like Feminism is a Illusion, because we are equals since XX century.
We are not equal that's a liberal thing
@WowwGirl
Ironic considering you said that women who were homemakers were second class citizens. Would you like to go back to being one?
I do all the homework better, so I don't know
And I don't believe what women are citizens of second class, I don't say this.
Cleaning and being clean is something both people should do. I was taught to clean. I was raised to always be clean. I wouldn't expect my wife to clean up after me but I would expect her to be clean as well. Keeping the house clean is something everyone should do if they are single or with someone. It should never be a gender responsibility. It's an important responsibility.
Are you a feminist? And I'm being serious here. On your other post about failures of modern men you basically bashed men for being wimps.
And now failure of modern women. You're basically saying women failed for accomplishing too much. And then at the end you're telling men to stop whining and being an embarrassment?
Aren't feminists the ones that continues to complain about how unfair everything is for a woman? Despite the many achievements that women obtained.
Lol your bias is so strong and ridiculous. I just can't handle it.
Hey, @AndrewMG: I'm sure you'd find numerous remarks like this on the dribble that @WowwGirl posts on this website. I suggest you quit using the toxic website that is @GirlsAskGuys. Too many people like @WowwGirl expouse biased dribble on this platform. Funny thing is: I remember reading a post she made in April last year not long after the pandemic was declared. She claimed many bad-mouthed her on here. I can now appreciate why that's the case. She has a holier than art though attitude about herself; that's arrogant and horridly unattractive to any self-respecting man.
I would have to agree. Right now I am seeking a husband who isn’t lazy and is a responsible family man. I dread the day that I would have to do all the housework all by myself after 9 /10 hours of long hard work at my job. I’m not interested in marrying a man who thinks child rearing is only responsibility of a woman’s. These types tend to be misogynistic and incapable fathers. There are also many consequences of being a housewife. Financial abuse is one of the top things about a permanently dependent spouse. Your husband can take away your allowance or money whenever he is unhappy with you. So you would struggle to stand up to him when necessary due to the power imbalance. Housewives also tend to be less likely to divorce their husbands in unhappy marriages due to their inability to support themselves. Being unemployed for 10 or more years , doesn’t make you look more employable.
its a trap that many folks over glorify
Well your responsibility as woman is to teach kids emotions, I as man can't really do it, I can teach how to be strong, stoic at times, how to build your own house, fix car, camping and a lot other stuff, but I cannot teach what woman can.
@_inkRat Kids naturally have emotions. And as a father , you must teach them how to handle their emotions. Parenting is not only a woman’s job, if the only thing you can contribute to your kids lives is just to build a tent or go fishing , you clearly don’t know what is required of parenting.
Teach your kids to be mature , how to properly handle jealousy failures or frustrations. Teach them proper manners , social etiquette , how to speak to their bosses and to teach them the values of respect and compassion.
It’s not impossible for men to teach kids these things , men just are brainwashed to believe that they don’t have emotions. Men do feel hurt or jealous or disappointed in life. Real adult men have solutions to that
@_inkRat i mean, as a woman, I can also learn to build a house , fix a car , go fishing , build a tent, and I can also teach my kids how to do those things. What’s the point of having a dad , if it’s possible for smart mom to have learned how to do all those things? A responsible family man is someone to who recognizes “ father “ as a serious parenting responsibility. If you think men are naturally incapable as parents , you will not be a good dad
@nella965 there are things where man are better at and thing where woman are better at. And no Man are not brainwashed about emotions, yes we feel them, but often we dont know how to deal with them, we tend just to burry them. I know i can't teach emotion stuff, So thats is what i expect of woman. Yes woman can teach how to build house, how to fix car and camping, but honestly if they can they are unicorns. In no way im implying that parenting is only womans job, it has to be done by both man and woman, just that there are parenting parts where woman are a lot more suited for, than man, as there are parenting parts where man are more suited than woman.
Like it or not there are gender norms, with man i do expect them to know about cars, construction and other things, for woman i do expect them to know about clothing, fashion, emotions and other stuff. If you know and can do other sides stuff great, all power to you. Yes you can learn all those things, but what good will have from it if you dont enjoy them, and learned just for kid?
It does sounds as bit weird but one thing man can teach is how to be strong, our stoicism/ ability to burry emotions does show how to be strong. I do believe that thinking you as woman can do everything and you dont need man is dangerous. Woman are great at softer side, man at teaching backbone and thicker skin.
@nella965 Yeah I think my IQ just dropped 20 points and I lost brain cells from reading WowwGirl's pointless nonsense type dribble. It takes the average household 2 incomes both the man and woman working full time jobs or one full time job and one part time job to make ends meet when paying for a mortgage or rent or for child care when they're not at school. Also both the mother and the father should be raising the kid/s together since it took 2 people to make that/those baby/babies/kid/s. A child or children need both parents in their lives so the kid or children can be normal fully functioning adults or whatever close to normal is nowadays in this fucked up society. As far as the cleaning goes take turns and/or split the household duties don't just sit on your ass and let the other person do all the work. It takes two to fully run a household, but if the parents were smart provided the couple has kids they would put the kids to work while the parents work and stay home and rest and split the cooking and let the kids do the dishes and cleaning and vacuuming and watch over them while they do the laundry. Unpaid child slave labor gotta love it. LOL.
@nella965 The only thing I read from WowwGirl was a pointless and senseless attack on men spewing a lot of misadranistic crap the very same things she condemns when guys spew pointless attacks on women in misogynistic ways. I could of spent the time reading what she had to say and put that time in to something more valuable and more worthy of my time then wasting it by reading it. But oh well live and learn I guess. But yeah it takes 2 to run a fully functioning household both work both share in the responsibilities to run that household ie share the chores equally.
@_inkRat I think you’re putting way too much emphasis on male or female roles. When in reality , most mothers actually do not cater to their kids emotions. Most moms are too busy doing housework, trying to pay for their children’s food, education, keeping their kids safe from street crime, cooking for their families, yelling about grades. Most moms do not know how to cater to their child’s emotional needs especially if the kid gets older into middle school and high school.
It’s way too much of an exaggerated stereotype that mothers care for their children emotional needs. They don’t. Most kids didn’t grow up with such mothers. Way too many UNQUALIFIED MOMS walking around. You have no idea.
@RandD4Ever you know what? Your comment is the most objective, logical , untainted of any of the sexism that is commonly celebrated on here. Anyone who has raised children will understand that it’s an extremely tough job that requires a lot of money , work and sacrifice. Many of these folks think that life is still like the 1970s where it’s easy to get a job, buy a house, raise kids off of one income. They think Mom and dad have nothing to worry about cuz they assume life was the same as 45 years ago.
Nowadays most mothers actually have to work in order to pay for food , mortgage , car , retirement savings , taxes , college savings. Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Housewives are simply unaffordable and unrealistic. Women really do not have the time to cater to their child’s every need cuz most are actually working.
I totally agree that raising mentally healthy well functioning kids requires both parents. Having a father who doesn’t think he needs to contribute to his as much as mom , is just an incapable father.
@nella965 Most of these people wouldn't even know what to do when their baby gets sick or how to deal with a baby teething or changing a diaper or how to check the temperature of a bottle or what to do when a baby has an ear infection or when the baby has a temperature or be willing and able to get up at 1 2 or even 3am to feed the child. Heck most don't even know what it's like dealing with a child's school especially when the parent doesn't like the teacher or principal of the school the child is attending. Most probably never even heard of the term latchkey child. It takes two to raise the child just as it took two to make that child. I'm not saying a family has to be only male and female I'm not saying that at all a family can be male and male or female and female but in general two parental figures are needed to raise a healthy child not just physically but mentally and emotionally as well. Just as it takes two people to support a functioning household. And as far as mortgages go trust me it's not as easy as one may think especially when one is trying to get a mortgage out of state very far out of state it becomes an incredible nightmare since most banks try to screw you over since the '08 housing fiascal. I was actually told and I will never forget this that banks and mortgage companies were turning people down who made very high 5 digit and low 6 digit figures from getting a mortgage at least what that shitty RocketMortgage lender company told me when I applied for a mortgage through those jerkoffs.
@nella965 99% of the people on here don't have the slightest clue what it's like to live in the adult grownup world because they been to sheltered by mommy and daddy and living in their parents basement their whole lives. They have no idea what it's like to deal with brokerage companies when it comes to investments have no idea the difference between a roth ira and a traditional ira (heck some brokers who work for mortgage companies can't even tell you the difference and yes there is a difference but no one really cares or pays attention and lets things slip our little secret shhh) most people on here don't even know what happens when a person has a 401k plan sure they may have heard of a 401k but most don't know what's really involved and how you can lose your entire pension based on some moron who's handling it or some greedy corporate exec prick who only wants to look after his own wallet and job. These people on here have a lot of growing up to do. They have no idea how expensive it is to maintain a car or the tricks to buying a car which I learned on my own and from watching my friends all screwup big time at it (here's a hint NEVER use a car company's bank or a dealerships lending company or take out a car loan always pay for it in cash if you can or go to a credit lending company of your own picking never use a dealership bank or dealership lending company and sell your old car yourself first and if you don't have enough then go to your own credit lending company and have them write you a check for the amount you need for the car and never get those extra crap services they want to offer you at the end of the deal since majority of them are completely worthless and complete junk and a waste of money)
@nella965 And here's another small hint what these kiddies on here don't know. Real money comes from real estate not owning it and living it in yourself but owning it and RENTING it out so someone else pays for your mortgage while you own the property that's how you hold true assets. Look it's like this you need money to make money. Years ago when I was 19 or 20 I had an old polish jew tell me the real secret to making money is to lend it out and take the interest on it plus the original capital. None of that sunk in at the time until my late 30's when I finally figured out what he meant. Investing. Look at how banks and credit card companies make their money they lend it out then they take the interest on that initial principle they lent out. Most of these kids in here don't even have the slightest clue what that entails or the risks involved and the potential to lose money if you're not careful as well. They think going to work and holding down a 9-5 with minimum job security as another number in an already congestive system is the key to making money and the answer that will solve all their problems and the kids today who plan on going to college and getting that BA or BS won't even be able to find a job let alone a job in their own field when they graduate and have no idea how to survive in the real world and work for themselves or hustle or side hustle to make a living
@nella965 I think gender roles are there for reason, to have some level of expectations of person. It doesn't mean you cannot break them and go into other direction if you want, you can do it. But i think you would agree that woman know more about caring for babies than man. There are exceptions as always, but in my mind some level of at least know how for appropiate gender role, one should have.
Oh no I do know how terrible humans can be, our brutally is unmached.
@_inkRat women do not know more about caring for babies. Women are just better bedside caring than men. But don’t simply assume that women know how to change diapers without being taught. My mother left me to sleep as a baby without turning off the lights and as a result I developed terrible eye sight and needed glasses as soon as I turned 5 years old. My mother didn’t know how to feed my brother so she used to stuff huge oversized spoonfuls of food into his mouth. As a result , he began stuffing his face every time he eats since I was a little boy. He’s 18 now and he still has this same habit of taking in over sized bites.
My father loved over feeding us and gave us kids portion sizes that were 3 times too big. As a result my brother and I grew up to be overweight compared to other children.
My mother also was NOT caring but a narcissistic bitch who was jealous of me in every way as I entered high school. She was abusive and neglected me since I hit puberty. She has an inherent hatred for me for no reason and is sadistic, loves torturing me.
My ex boyfriend also had a mother who abused him for many years and now he has officially abandoned her.
You need to get out of this mentally that all mothers are great or they know how to raise kids. MANY OF THEM ARE UNQUALIFIED
As I understand it, it was women's CHOICE to fight for their "rights". Now you have the right to go to work and spend your days in some office instead of staying home to give your children much-needed love and attention while you home-educate them and prepare them for life with useful, REAL life-skills. Like cooking. But then again, most of today's women have no idea what cooking is all about - they just buy fast food and take-aways.
Well, that was worth fighting for. Because "inequality" hurt your egos. If the equality movement had been the other way, men fighting for a right to stay home and do homework, would that seem healthy to you? Exactly.
Dang, and y’all finna blame it on men, y’all modern women are failing because of your superiority mindset.
I’m a failure because I never had a good mother as a role model.
There is a difference.
Most people don’t see the difference, or they choose to ignore it.
damn, you're about the youngest person on here and that was some truth! good for you
Thanks.
YOU ARE NOT A FAILURE.
Depends on the perspective really, but thanks for being kind!
You are not a failure...
@WildButterflyKiss agreed with you
Yeah, that's what I expected. Meanwhile women fall back on gender norms by demanding men pay for everything, forcing men to do the majority of paid work resulting in men actually working slightly more then women when you take into account both paid work and house work (and child rearing). But as per usual, your goal isn't balance, its getting as much privilege as you can while shedding as much responsibility as possible. This is why men are checking out, your not worth the effort anymore.
also don't forget that women divorce men who do housework as it ruins the image of them as superior providers whom they can look up to
@iOoko And refuse to marry men who make less then them, are less happy in relationships with men who make less and are far more likely to divorce them, less likely to have sex with guys who do house work or traditionally feminine roles etc. etc.
This is why she infuriates me, she states that the problem with men is that they are not traditional enough, and the problem with women is that they are not nontraditional enough. She wants all the privilege and none of the responsibilities and then acts like its men's fault for not wanting to be apart of an arrangement that is entirely to his detriment and her benefit. She wants to give nothing while getting everything and cries victim when she can't get it. This is why I despise women like her, just because they are women, doesn't mean they have to be weak.
couldn't agree more
Excuse me but women aren't responsible for men's masculinity. Men are. Don't put this on women. All you're doing is giving men more reasons to blame women and feminism for their failures so that they don't have to take responsibility. Women aren't responsible for men's masculinity just because we decided that we wanted to do more than have babies, be wives, and do feminine work. We took control of our lives and freedoms. It's men's fault that they've allowed women's new positions in this world to emasculate them.
EXACTLY
Trust me many men don't blame women for other men feeling emasculated thses days.
Blame? For what? More often it is this is my space leave me/us alone here. i still can't understand how you managed to turn boy scouts in mixed scouts. Name boy scouts should have told plenty
@_inkRat don't worry. Most women think that is stupid too.
Masculinity's for chumps, individuality is where it's really at!
1. Western liberal teachings that pamper boys and neglect them importance of embracing true and aligned masculinity.
2. The constant pampering from women and having them step up to positions to fill their shoes so that they have a reason to slack off.
3. Porn addiction and chronic masturbation SAPS the drive and test levels out of men.
4. Today’s food is pumped with an excess of estrogen.
Compared to the old days, Men have lost their fire. But these are merely reasons, and should not be EXCUSES to fall back. That’s simply because a real man takes accountability and ownership.
I see your point in my parents. My Mum is a nurse (currently working front line) and my dad is self employed. My dad usually works from 8AM to 3PM, whereas my Mum works from 8AM to 6PM.
When my Dad gets home from work, usually before I'm back from school he puts his feet up for the rest of the night and watches TV.
My Mum gets home around 3 to 4 hours later and has to start cooking dinner. Then it's 9PM and she has to do the washing up. Then she has to make sure my younger sisters are in bed. Then she goes to bed, all the while my Dad hasn't done anything to help.
On my Mum's days off she does housework all day and then cooks and does the same evening cycle again.
She is the main breadwinner for the family and even then she has to go home and work all evening doing housework.
It annoys me that this happens and I have always thought that when I start a family, I will do everything I can to support my wife and make her life easier.
Are men less masculine, or have the lines just blurred as some men do "feminine work"... cleaning carpets, airline attendant, nursing, house cleaning... and women go into military combat, fly planes, doctors, fighting, etc.. ? Women wanted equality.
Well... Think I'll borrow my neighbors gun, shoot one of the local deer, gut it , and make some venison burgers! boo ya!
p. s. most women who just read that are revolted... we've outsourced a lot of duties men used, primarily do and are not so viewed as "normal".
Nice take owly girl, did you steal this 1950's housewife picture from my album 😂
The only thing that lacks your take is how these changes have affected our lives, our upbringings and our views on marriage and the family's structure...
You must make another part!
I'm glad that i'm still living in the 1950's 😊
The 2 things that i'll change are:
Women aren't second class citizens, because a woman completes a man just like a man completes a woman, they both need each other, mentally and physically...
Also the housewife should be appreciated and not be treated like a slave, because a housewife knows that her husband is her life and without him she's nothing but always remember that your the machine doing all these stuff and your wife ks your fuel, when the fuel vanishes, you will just stop as a machine and starts to rust and rot in your place...
Me too I love the 50s
You don't have to clean
I know that i don't have to because it's the housewife's role to clean but it isen't something to be ashamed of, in the end the wife is cleaning after herself, after her husband and kids only, remember that she and her husband are one and her kids are a part of her which means she will be happy doing it, at least she's ot cleaning after strangers or in a coffee shop or restaurant... etc
It's true that a man builds a house or buy a house but when he gets married it becomes the house of the wife too because there is no difference between a man and his wife which means she's cleaning her house!
We are on same page
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Since we are on the same page, let's turn the page so we see what happens 😂
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May I say, from the bottom of my masculine heart, go fuck yourself.
Men are killed on the job more than 10 times the rate of women, no one is marching about that.
Men make more because we are up on skyscrapers welding columns together, or in boilers doing repairs while suited up against dangerous gases, or cutting gigantic trees down so you can wipe your dainty feminine ass on Charmin while you work at a clerical job with your university degree complaining to your fellow female clerks you make less than a roofer who takes his life in his hands every day he's on the job.
Tough shit, lady.
When you get home from your job if you want the housework split between you and your S. O. 50-50, discuss it with that person.
Don't think it's a societal problem. It's your house and your problem. Deal with it.
Except the women who are in the kind of relationships where they are still treated as house maids are exactly the kind of women like you- the ones who glorify toxic masculine behaviors and drift from one trainwreck of an abusive relationship into another.
Women who respect themselves haven't failed, they are in happy relationships with sensible men who believe both in equal privilege and equal responsibility.
Very well said @Kuraj