What I Learned About Women decades in the Friend Zone

[Apope16]

Last night I was called by a friends with benefits and we had sex. A few Hours later I found myself on a date first date with a different girl and we kissed. This would have been unheard of just 10 years ago in college. I spent over a dozen years as a ladies man in the friend zone until I lost my virginity at the age of 27.

First Impression is HUGE

Man Guys Who Choose to Be Friends with women instead of setting a clear sexual boundary are made fun of. They claim that if you don't set a clear boundary of intention the initial impression is hard to shake. They also say that you should NEVER EVER be friends with a girl you like. In my experience this is true. How you act in the early stages of dating or even meeting a woman will determine how she forever sees you. I have had sex with friends but that rarely evolves.

WOMEN LOVE SEX

Over the years as a best friend women have confided in me about their sex lives. What men aren't told is women are just as horny and sexual as men. They are just more tight lipped about their number of sex partners because of slut shaming. They DO want to have sex with guys. It is just a matter of men taking the lead and making a move. My friends like to view sex as an accidental thing even when they know what it means to go to a guys house.

Women Don't Like Nice Guys or Assholes

Women like a nice guy who has confidence and is daring and bold. I've learned from my friend's stories that they like a man who takes the lead.

They want to relax on a date

When a woman goes on a date she wants the man to lead. She doesn't want to think about what to do. She likes to sit back, relax, and have the man tell her each step in the adventure.

Her giving is her Love

I have seen women invest so much in bad boys that use them. It seems to me that giving to her is loyalty because she must "save face" by staying with her partner.

Women Are Lonely

They want to be held. Sometimes they will lead friends on to not be lonely.

[Machiavellio]

Here are some things I've always done and it works BUT note the guy has to be confident not pretend to be confident or pretend to be a gentleman, that shit is crony as hell.
First There has to be some mutual obvious attraction. How you know? Continue reading.

Follow this 14 steps and you're dating game will be on point.
1st step: as soon as you establish eye contact smile right away.
2. Walk towards her mirroring her body language.
3. As you get close to her smile again with wide open eyes ask her name.
4. As soon as she finishes saying her name touch her hand and say your name.
5. As you touch her hand maintain eye contact even if she goes shy and get closer.
6. Go for the kiss and elevate your hand from her hand to her arm gently.
7. As the lips engage take a deep breath and hold her as close as possible.
8. Slowly release her and smile close to her face saying something sweet like, i feel like I've always known you.
9. Exchange numbers and if she's free take her somewhere nice (park or quiet caffe)
10. Let her talk and make spark interest from what she says (women like guys who pay attention and give the attention)
10. By this time she's wet. Anywhere you want her to go. She will accept and you'll end up fucking.
11. Make sure you kiss her everytime she smiles and goes shy.
12 even when you're fuckinh her makes the kissing don't stop and kiss everywhere you can.
13. Make sure before you fuck for the first time, you tease and forplay for as long as you can to get her begging for a fuck.
14. last but not least fuck her with passion, you've never fucked in your life.

Even the girl you ain't never fucked will smell you from a distance if you master theses steps.

[Apope16]

This is really good shit. you need to make this into a mytake!

[Machiavellio]

Thanks bro. I'm new, for some reason it won't let me create one

[KrakenAttackin]

Well said Sir!

[Barbaric]

100%.

As per usual, as soon as you hit the nail on the head and explain the truth about women, for some reason they all come at you with personal attacks, accusations of misogyny, and "not all girls are like this".

You didn't even say anything bad about women. You literally just told guys to be nice but be bold and straightforward, not to act asexual around women. There's nothing dumb, disgusting or misogynistic about that at all.

This is the reason so many guys are so confused. They pay more attention to what women say than to their actions, when they should do the opposite. That's how you came to these conclusions, and this has been my experience as well.

[Apope16]

Women do not like their secrets being revealed. So the more closer to the truth you get the more hate you get. The other thing I learned is that women will defend each other no matter what. even if they are wrong. they will still defend other women. its like a lady power mentality. usually it is a good thing. but it can gang up on a guy too.

[hi_it_is_me123]

The problem is men slut shame women to death and discriminate them only because of their age. Believe me women would be more open and very honest, if noone would slut shame or shame on them jusz because they are not young enough. Not everyone is like the writer of mytake who dont slut shame women

[Barbaric]

@hi_it_is_me123

This has nothing at all to do with women being slut-shamed. It's about the way guys approach women and how that affects whether or not she sees him as "just a friend".

[hi_it_is_me123]

You know you have to be attracted to your partner? You frienszoned a person if you dont find her/him attractive enough

[Barbaric]

@hi_it_is_me123

I know that, and how the guy begins to talk with the girl affects that. First impression is important.

[Ash525]

First off, what you did is disgusting. And second, I do not want a guy's first impression to be sexual. That will turn me off completely. A guy isn't gonna get anything sexual from me until we are married. So maybe its just the girls you are attracted to. And if that is the case then the problem is you. Don't surround yourself with a bunch of rocks and think that you're gonna end up with a diamond🤷🏾

[cush_ebo]

Good point. But are we really diamond people? What make you think someone is awesome and you will marry him too? Good luck! Welcome into the world.

[Apope16]

I dont think I did anything wrong. I didn't have sex with two women. I just was on a date. Men should always date multiple women unless it gets serious. Women do this all the time. Time for men to do the same as women.

Fellas. If a girl flakes on you or whatever. just know. she is flaking on you for another guy who is plowing deep inside her that night. Then she reschedules with you on a different day and gives you a kiss to lead you on. Understand guys that a women in early stages of dating is floating between 3 and 5 guys are a time and setting up dates.

[cush_ebo]

Exactly. Thanks

[KrakenAttackin]

True.

[MzAsh]

What women don’t want to admit is that looks matter more than what they want everyone to believe. Have good looks and find a way to excite her.

[Junior42]

how have men excited u in the past?

[Apope16]

Actually that is a really good point. If you are a sexy looking guy you can be a total loser and she will stay with you. Also guys... if you have a big dick or if your sex is amazing... you can get away with murder pretty much with a girl. If she is addicted to your dick she will travel an hour just to see you for 30 mins. haha. i know because i have experienced it first hand. A girl once offered to pay for my uber ride to travel 20 miles to see her. women get sooooo horny if you put it down right.

[nelly83]

From my own experience, I can say that a woman will only friend zone you if you don’t look like someone who she will be attracted to physically or mentally. And most of us can decide whether we friendzone a guy right upon the beginning of the relationship. Let’s face it, if we are physically and mentally attracted to you, we wouldn’t be friends with you for long.

[continentalbreakfast]

Oh ill admit it!! Ha guys hopefully know they need to be good looking and the excitement part needs to be amazing, yes.

[Mamamialetmego]

But sometimes women reject good looking guys too. Lools is only half the battle. Masculinity and confidence what women really want.

[nelly83]

@Mamamialetmego you can have masculinity and confidence but it also doesn’t mean we will fall for you. You can’t force or manipulate someone to fall in love with you.

[Mamamialetmego]

@nelly83 no what i was trying to say here is looks doesn't guarantee success. You need to act masculine, be confident, socially skilled and funny etc. Looks is just one half. If you lack these other traits most girls get turn off pretty quickly.

[nelly83]

@Mamamialetmego like I said , even if you do have the charm , humor and masculinity , but you don’t have the looks that we are attracted to , we will still reject you. We need to be physically and mentally attracted to you. And different women are attracted to different things. Some women like funny men but others may be looking for something more than that.

There is no single secret math formula on how to attract women. Because we all are attracted to different things. And if you pretend to be funny or if u pretend to be someone you’re not, we will just reject you at the end anyways.

[Mamamialetmego]

@nelly83 girl you don't get what i'm saying. What i'm saying you need to have both looks and personality. Looks alone isn't enough just like personality alone isn't enough.

[nelly83]

@Mamamialetmego I don’t think you’re reading carefully of anything I’ve written which is why you’re arguing with me about nothing

[Mamamialetmego]

@nelly83 so you agree with me.

[nelly83]

@Mamamialetmego yes you only wouldn’t have known If you didn’t read what I’ve written

[continentalbreakfast]

Mamamaletmego... who said they were attracted to them though. You think every girl has ti be attracted to what you think is good looking.

[KrakenAttackin]

Well said.

[Mamamialetmego]

@continentalbreakfast shut up woman

[Mamamialetmego]

🤪😀

[KrakenAttackin]

@nelly83 Who's talking about love?

[continentalbreakfast]

Mamamialetmego lol someones single and bitter and now knows why 😆 not one of the good looking ones huh

[Mamamialetmego]

@continentalbreakfast I'm super hot

[continentalbreakfast]

You look feminine af from your picture if thats you

[Mamamialetmego]

@continentalbreakfast i'm gay

[Mamamialetmego]

😜😜😜 Haha

[lockster]

Dont listen to girls who try to force the narrative that looks matter so much to them. They are pretty retarded

[lockster]

Looks matter so much to women? Then how come very ugly celeberties are hitting girls like 8 our 10 and up?

"Money, clout"

If looks mattered that much then u wouldn't be wth men who look bad but has money and clout.

[continentalbreakfast]

Lol clearly, u look it

[KrakenAttackin]

@nelly83 Bingo! Nelly, thank you for hitting it on the head.

[KrakenAttackin]

@nelly83 Also very true.

[becks3]

You are making a false argument. It's not about being nice.
There are many different implications of it.
Here is what women like:
If a guy has the minimum amount of normal human decency and treats her with respect and as a human being rather than a challenge he has to face. That's the kind of nice we mean. Just the normal human amount of respectfull behaviour you would give everybody even people you don't wanna fuck. This guy will be confident and grounded. He knows who he is and that he doesn't need womens validation to feel good. He just talks to the woman and is not the type to fuss about it if he gets rejected or cries in the corner. He mooves on and stays optimistic and confident.

The kind of nice women hate and that gets you friendzoned:
First of, these are insecure guys most of the time. They are shy around women or don't know how to use charm to persue a woman. Their only option to come near a woman is to be nice to her. This nice includes: putting her on a pedestal, doing everything she wants for her, molding your own personality to her liking, being a loyal dog in hopes she will someday see "all the things you have done" for her.
This is unattractive. Women want a guy to be his own person. To value himself more than doing everything just in hopes of getting with her. It gives of a needy vibe which is a turn off as well.

So if you are guy number 2. First work on yourself to become number 1 and then you can stop worrying about this stupid friendzone shit.

[DonCachondo]

In your definition of "nice," there's no room for needy, anxious, or insecure men. They can be nice, too. There's no reason they couldn't be.

[becks3]

@DonCachondo There is! But these are considerd character flaws. In women as well. And these men would just be not attractive to me. Maybe for some it's different. But the majority of women like strong willed guys I am pretty sure since we already are "the weaker sex" when it comes to emotions and such.
Downvoting my opinion won't change your success with girls. You wanted the truth and there you have it. Work with it or don't.

[becks3]

@DonCachondo and you didn't quite understand me. What I am saying is that being nice is not enough to get a woman to like you. It is the requirement to be talked to but if you have nothing else positive to offer you won't be successful.

[DonCachondo]

lol gimme a break with these cHARaCtER fLAws! You'd overlook plenty of character flaws in somebody you're actually attracted to. I'm not judging you for what you're attracted to, but your dual niceness model is flawed by your biases, biases not much different from the biases behind the egocentric rationalizations of the self-proclaimed Nice Guys.

[jgibsonian1986]

Really seems like the kind of man women want are the kind of men who don't want/need to coexist with a lady. I'm no #2 guy, but I'm also not #1. I'd also be willing to bet that the guy who looks like he just moves in and stays confident does not feel thst inside. Either he never cared that much, has already moved on and stopped caring, or he is talking that loss of confidence and optimism internally where no one can see its unattractiveness.

No man in invincible, but most women expect us to be. After all, being stoic just means your hiding it all behind a solem face.

[jgibsonian1986]

@becks3 the only thing that makes women the weaker sex is their physical bodies. Women are the physically weaker sex, but not in any other catagory. Men and women are just as swayed by their emotions. Men and women feel emotional pain from a breakup the same but in their own ways. The only reason men appear to be the stronger willed and less emotional is because we all are required by women like you to dissociate from our emotional selves and cling to emotional suppression.

Why do the "strong willed" men fucking rage when someone steps on their toes, fucks up their will, or changes their idea? Because they have shoved every feeling they have ever had so far down and away from anyone that anger and frustration at their own limitations is all they can feel anymore.

[Kaazsz]

I learned how to get girls from girls. They are better teachers than guys. Guys don’t know wtf they are talking about.

Even the players don’t know. The players think they have to be mr. suave and mr. seduction.

Nah, you just gotta go talk to the bitch and tell her you want her.

I don’t know why, but that was impossible for me my entire life. I was taught since day 1 that I was bad. I’m nothing but a disgusting worthless male pig, and I’m lucky if a girl decides to like me.

I felt like a worthless sack of shit and I’d never find anyone to love me.

Of COURSE that shit made it impossible for me to find a girlfriend, sex or love. I was taught from day 1 of life that I’m a sick sex crazed rapist pig monster.

And so I wanted to show women I had control of my sick rapist pig male nature. And I hid my sexuality from women at all costs believing that that was how I show them I am a good guy.

Going and “just talking to that bitch” was an impossibility for me. I felt like I needed to understand how to show them I was a good guy so they wouldn’t automatically assume I was a sick sex crazed male pig.

Now I know 100% that women are just as much nasty sex crazed monsters as us men are. And it’s liberating really. It feels good to know women want me back. And makes me feel more comfortable and relaxed around women.

Now that I have all thee friends I know girls are whores. Y’all are fuckin sluts like a motherfucker. And that’s great.

Most guys get very upset to realize this. I don’t know why. I used to be too. I couldn’t control it I had no choice. I think it’s because society tells us women are “innocent.” Meaning, women are not the sex crazed monsters like men are. But they are. They 100% are and if you don’t think so it’s cuzthey ain’t fucking you.

[Kaazsz]

Guys just think girls don’t like sex because they don’t fuck anything that moves like us guys do.

We simply have different standards. It takes MORE to make a woman horny and more to make her feel good, more to give her pleasure and more to achieve her orgasm.

For us guys all we gotta do is make our dick hard, pump a few times and bust a nut. If that’s all it took to get a woman off, they would be fucking anything that moves too.

How many stories you heard of girls who can’t even make themselves orgasm through masturbation? Happens all the time. For a guy that’s rare.

It takes more for them. And so they don’t bother with guys they believe won’t be able to provide what they need sexually. That’s all it is really. Girls will fuck a new guy every damn day. They are hoes too.

Dudes just get mad, cuz the girls aren’t fucking you. And they aren’t ducking you, because they don’t believe you are capable of giving them what they need.

[nella965]

Dude you sound like a crazy asshole but everything you said here was absolutely 100 percent true

[Apope16]

Actually I gotta disagree. Never get dating advice from women. Guys know best. What you have above is observations from a guy (me) about women. It is not at all dating advice or advice from women.

[Kaazsz]

@nella965 I’m absolutely batshit crazy.

But women taught me so much. No, they didn’t give me a single bit of dating advice this the OP thinks. No, I just now have a loooot of female friends.

I love women. For real. I love these hoes. If I never made friends with mad girls, I would still be a sad pathetic loser who hates himself and believes he’s gonna die alone.

And you know what? Guys don’t want to change. They want to be fat lazy skins who play video games all day.

I don’t even want to be FRIENDS with a guy who fucking sits around playing video games all day. That’s a boring ass life if you ask me. And they on here MAD. Ranting and raving about how horrible women are. These guys are fucked and you know what I’m done tying to help these stupid fucks. They don’t deserve it.

[Kaazsz]

So y’all can stay not having any pussy. I’ll pick up the slack gladly. Keep hating women and keep hating yourselves. More fun for me.

[Kaazsz]

@Apope16 sorry I went on a rampage. I liked your take. It was good and well thought out. Though I disagree with not being friends with them.

I just get annoyed. Because I used to be such a lonely ass mofo who was terrified ofmgirls. I was the type to be friendzoned.

And so I imagined that friendzoned guys will come read this take. And I just went off on a rampage. Because I see how guys are on this site. Many of them struggle to get a date and yet they get angry and hate women and attack them every chance they get. Over retarded shit. This site is just chock full of retarded ass dudes. And I would try to help them but they’re so invested in their red pill education they can’t see reality anymore. They think they found the truth but the truth requires the integration of all perspectives to see. The red pill is only the male perspective and it’s wrong.
I’m sorry.

[Kaazsz]

Anyways my bad my bad I shouldn’t have gone crazy like that. Just wish I could help lonely losers like I was but they won’t let me so it’s annoying lol.

[Apope16]

I dont think you went on a rampage. I just thought you were expressing your opinion bro. more power to ya. I get far harsher comments on GAG than that.

[KrakenAttackin]

Yes. Women give the absolute worst dating advice. Learn from the fisherman not the fish.

[Kaazsz]

@KrakenAttackin you’re 100% correct. Verbally women give the worst advice. That’s why you must observe them in their natural habitat to learn the truth. That’s all I did. I dove into an ocean of women, and they taught me the truth.

[sagevalentineee]

Yeah, I agree most of this seems correct. One piece of advice I would have for men, is that each woman is an individual, and that's important, I've had so many male friends who are exasperated like 'I just don't understand women!'. And I just think, well... you're likely never going to... Every human being, male and female, we have our own thoughts and ways of reacting to situations. Sure, there are certain generalisations women have in common but it's really important to get to know each other as individuals. This advice I would give to both sexes when they try to play games.

[DonCachondo]

You might think you're super duper special and unique, but humans are extremely malleable and exhibit behavioral patterns that are largely dependent on factors out of their own control. However, since those factors tend to be invisible to onlookers (and even oneself), your advice is actually quite practical! You have to deal with people on a case by case basis, but the good news is you'll get better with experience because you'll come across repetitive themes.

[sagevalentineee]

Yeah, of course I understand that, we do have behavioural patterns, and many similarities of course. But for people who are stuck on the stage of 'I give up!' (after not even trying) I think need to grow up and realise a relationship, and getting to know some is beautiful, but also a lot of work. You can't just be exasperated after finding out a person has layers and will react to different scenarios in a way you don't expect.

[DonCachondo]

True dat!

[GiselleAnswersLove]

@sagevalentineee Great comment

[Anonymous]

Dude--seriously a boss move to have sex with your friends with benefits just before going on a first date. Nothing is going to make you chilled out and relaxed on a first date with a new girl quite like just having gotten it on AND knowing that if it doesn't work out, you can always go back again!

Are you scheduling a second date with her?

[Apope16]

Of course. she is a real nice girl. She is more of a nice girl bookish type a chic. A long term wifey type. So I can get my release while at the same time being a gentleman. But the best route to go is as soon as you start having sex with the girl that you really like... you break it off with your friends with benefits. its safer to have sex with one at a time. and you will perform better in bed without distraction or guilt or drama in your head.

[Opinion Owner]

VERY nice! And yes--I agree with that totally. The key is not to be dependent on the new prospect for sex. If you're not exclusive with her (and how can you be as you just went on a first date) and if you're not having sex with her (which is reasonable as it's just the first date) then she has no claim on your sexual exclusivity, so you're good to go to town with the friends with benefits.

Out of curiosity, how does the new girl's body compare to your friends with benefits?

[KrakenAttackin]

Spot on correct.

[Opinion Owner]

@KrakenAttackin Thanks Kracken. I'd love to hear about your experiences learning this lesson too.

[sensible27]

I think you frame these from the perspective of trying to help some guys out but it's not gonna work (or at least I wouldn't exactly bet on it), the problem isn't that they are wrong about this perticular thing, they are most like more wrong about other things as well. You can't raise the whole standard by fixing one thing, it's sort of like solving math problems, you don't exactly get better at math by getting good at one problem. Similar to how you can't exactly convice someone their god didn't exactly exist or earth isn't exactly a disk with ice walls on end or space programs aren't exactly fake... I am a bit doubtful if people who can be helped by these sort of even ever read one of these...

[arabgoddess]

You have a mind of Einstein.. You must love programming and coding

[sensible27]

No, not really/exactly... I used to when I was younger I assume after certain point it becomes more a matter of what you wanna build than what you can build, and that seems like a harder problem to solve than learning how some instructions work sort of similar to how life works, realistically everyone/anyone can do and/or be whatever they want but it is a bigger problem to figure out what you want to do or would want to do than to figure out how you would/might go about doing such a thing...

[arabgoddess]

😳😳😳 Yepp.. You still have a brain like Einstein

[nelly83]

I think you’re dumb Ans you like to make excuses to generalize all women. different women like different things. You can’t say that just cus a lady friendZoned you, every other woman out there will friend zone you too. You can make a great first impression and take the lead , it doesn’t mean she will fall for you. It is personality and your looks that will determine whether you are her type or not.

I think this question is just asked by a guy who knows nothing but pretends to know everything. Why not spend less time typing deluded show off questions on here Ans practice your flirting skills? It’ll do you more good

[lockster]

How are you telling him to not generalized women but ur out here generalizing every womens preference.

"ur looks will be the deciding factor if she likes you or not"

You should actually get off your high horse miss, your not all that

[nelly83]

@lockster I don’t know. But maybe you’re ugly which is why you’re offended people judge you off your looks. Men do the same so shut the fuck up

[OptimisticDaria]

Damn

[Bhavin2184]

What's with Women don't like nice guys and asshole
I understand about asshole
About confidence and bold , daring many woman find it annoying if you do it over and irritating so there chances of getting friendzone is more.
About nice guy I mean some are really decent though they are shy because some women do like them it's not like that they are not like by anyone.
Overall Asker both gender have preferences and choice on which they decide whom to friendzone or date.
Overall nice take.

[Anonymous]

Women don't have the same wants and needs at every age.

A man being the lead can be nice sometimes but can be bothersome at other times. And it can get old over time.

Yes women do like having sex more than men think. While some women act on that drive on the spur of the moment other women save that drive for the men they are close to. Just a difference in personalities.

Some women will always like the overly confident or bad guys but most women won't stay in that zone and some women will always like the nice guys. Bad guys are for flirting with that's it. They don't bring enough to the table and with age bad guys aren't much fun anymore. No one wants a perpetual peter pan who isn't trustworthy.

[KrakenAttackin]

At least you admit to the inherent bi-polar nature of women. Shit like this is why women are not taken seriously in so many situations.

[Opinion Owner]

@KrakenAttackin not really it’s called maturing with age the same as most men do.

[DonCachondo]

lol "maturing" women love to use that word to convince themselves they're progressing somehow through their series of mood swings

[KrakenAttackin]

@DonCachondo Eactly, "maturing" to women is just more rationalizing of their hypocrisy. Truth be told, I guess women don't really know the difference, which is why I have always said never listen to what women actually say, they don't communicate with words. This core hypocrisy is why society doesn't take women very seriously.

[Hypnos0929]

I'm not gonna lie to you because from one black man to another I feel like I need to be honest with you.
You look gay as hell in those pictures and your advice sounds like it came directly from those women. You don't look like you've got an ounce of man in you and you should probably ask those women if they've ever thought of you as manly.
Listen you seem like you're trying to give honest lessons but it just comes across as sad... not in the sense that you're pathetic but in the sense that you've just accepted being their substitute emotional pillow.

[Fuentes]

Tell. em Bruhh

[Apope16]

Thanks for sharing. Do I look gay as hell in those pictures? hmmm. Well those pictures were friendzone pictures. not pictures of me showing off. I was the male girlfriend at the time. Do I give a shit if some dude says I look gay?

No. I really dont give a shit what people think of me.

As for the advice. I wouldn't say that what I have posted is advice. It is a list of observations that I saw about women.

[cush_ebo]

Great topic... as you stated it... first impression is Huge. But how to get one of theses ladies when they walk by groups because you will end up knowing all of them when they will invite you at their event place.

Other subject: what about stability? Do you think someone travelling too much but still resident coming back in the city is attractive to a woman? At this time, when you are younger, you don't think that travelling can be part of your work, so one of my ex believed that I was a cheater. When I needed to go to other city to explore solutions not sex.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

The line " women don't like Nice guys and asshole" is so appropriate and accurate to the point.
Nice my take very insightful you look cool in all the pics👍

[Apope16]

Thanks man. Just helping guys out there

[Twalli]

My girlfriend is fine without me taking the lead. I have never been friendzoned because all of my friends and I are socially awkward, so we don't form friendships where we talk daily. Because of this, most people call us aquantace's which means we know each other and some interests, but not that much more. I didn't even know my girlfriend's age or birthday until after we started dating.

[ManOnFire]

Curious. Because I am actually about to hook up with one of my female friends.

[Apope16]

I recommend hooking up with your female friend. It is a lot of fun. But before you do make sure you do the plug in for friends with benefits. Just be like "Hey, let's just try this out for fun and see how it goes. Cool?" or "Hey, for now this is just between us. Let's see how it goes." Never Ever put the pressure of seriousness or a relationship in a friendship sex dynamic. The only way she will spread her legs for you is if she knows she has the freedom to like you on her own terms. So make it clear to her that no matter what happens it won't impact your friendship. I would have sex with a friend only with friends with benefits in mind. Because if you are angling for a relationship your approach and strategy must be completely different.

[KrakenAttackin]

Excellent.

[ManOnFire]

She's a little nervous about it lol, but she's still game.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Funny how so would slut shame women if the genders were reversed

[Aarvagol]

Women love nice guys. They don't like the ones who pretend to be nice guys

[Fuentes]

From the sounds of it you being a virgin til 27 and being in the friendzone for 12 years and in college was all your fault, i lost my virginity at 15 and still been getting women and im not wifing anything anytime soon so man this sounds like YOUR FAULT.

[Apope16]

Yes. it was all my fault. the mytake is not intended to be negative or blame women for being in the friendzone.

[Anonymous]

Do your friends know that you post their pics like that? And i also would friendzoned you because you are ugly and have a trashy incel attitude. I also dont understand why you only date white women. If a white person only date its race he/she would be called racist.

[Opinion Owner]

I did not read your take. So your take is actually not that bad. Sorry for responding before readind the take. I thought you wrote another sexist take

[tallandsweet]

I don't think you had to phrase it like this, but I would also like to know whether his friends consented to him using these pictures or not.

[Anonymous]

When you first met, a woman should not have the impression that you want to get her in bed sometime in the next few hours, but she should know - without a doubt - that you see her as an attractive sexual partner. She may not give you clear signals that she wants the same thing, so you must take a chance and be a bit aggressive in the pursuit (but always realizing that"no" means stop or you might get attested before the end of the night.)

[TonyMetal___86]

A lot of women are sexually very satisfied with their husbands only because they trust him, feel comfortable with him and for sure he is her family and the father of her babies, also he is the one who takes care of her and provide for her, all these facts will make a girl sexually crazy about her husband...

I never thought that girls can get very wild in sex after marriage while they looked thatbthey hate sex before marriage...

[DonCachondo]

Suuure, women looove THEIR OWN IDEA OF SEX! "Sex" is such an amorphous term. Ask a woman to elaborate on it and lemme know what percentage of it can be experienced on paper, as in lacking any visual or tactile sensation. That's 'cause most of it is just narrative. Words. JUST WORDS! THEIR words, not yours! They'll have you uttering words in their fantasies that nobody could get you to repeat unless you lost a bet!

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

Yup pretty much. Not sure why all the blowback to this post, it's fundamentally a positive message for both sexes: men, don't hide your true intent. Women, don't feel ashamed for having natural sexual desires.