No! Most women are not that strong and independent

[Anonymous]

F yeah! Or is it?

This is a message I wanted to announce.

This does not apply to all women. Most means more than those, who stand out from the rest, that put in a little extra formula called PROACTIVITY AKA going after what you want. If you do not see yourself in that majority category, then you are not meant as one of those I am about to explain.

Also this topic is not about feminism or equal rights or men and women being (or not being) equal. No. I mean something fundamentally different, that many are carelessly passing through one ear in and out the other with nothing happening in-between.

Also this is not to promote or shame one or the other philosophy. Preferences are just that.

Also I am not angry or upset about this phenomenon. You do you and I do I.

Also this topic is not about "who should ask out who". All these questions were asked and answered countlessly in GAG, became repetitive and are besides the point.

Huge disclaimer: I love women very much. But women have a few serious problems...

...which I intend to address in a constructive way.

I am calling out a behavioral pattern in women, that conflicts with women being (or specifically them perceiving themselves or women as) so strong and independent.

F yeah!

Strong and independent enough to study, graduate with a good degree, enter the workforce, get paid well, get a drivers license, drive your own car, own a house, live by yourself, buy all the things you want with your own money.

F yeah!

But all that strength and independence and badass-ness and being powerful and ass-kicking confidence and the feeling of taking whatever you wish vanishes the very moment as soon as romantic interest and dating comes into question. You might be interested in a man or have feelings for him.

he doesn't know. for real. he's embracing the moment and he thinks she too does

That is exactly when you freeze up and almost crap in your pants from almost daring telling him "Hello handsome" and asking for his contact or inviting him to dance and whatnot and suddenly all sorts of excuses are invented in order to not talk to him. Excuses such as:

• He's a man, it's the men's job to make the first move
• He's a man, he should pay or he invited me so he should pay
• He's too good for me
• He will think I'm too easy or slutty or desperate or clingy
• He won't respect me or use me for one night only
• If he doesn't ask me out, then he's not man enough and not the right man for me and I don't want him anyway
• I fear getting rejected, so I rather not
• Maybe he (or his race) doesn't like (insert any race here)
• It's not him, it's me

Kinda like when so many men aren't "doing their jobs" anymore (what jobs?)

Wow! Just wow. Sabotaging the opportunity before it even starts to unfold. I'd almost say "women's logic" on that one but I'm not going to be stooping that low. That is what I call "Welcome to being a man. Enjoy the equality". Women were not equipped to be like us men. HOWEVER some women don't let that stop them from getting their targeted boyfriend and that is certainly not by putting him in the list of "disqualified candidates". One of the biggest parts of the problem resides in being literally socially inept. Men deal with social anxiety or social ineptitude too but they get over it eventually with more experiences or more money or trying something new or gradual exposure.

wondering how she doesn't have a boyfriend still. she's beautiful and all that, right?

Here's a little thought experiment: If it was illegal for men to make the first move, then the population in the next few generations would result in 1/10 of what it is today.

Why I say any of this? Because I have been and observed a lot.

I've been going to places. Little distance from the city. Beautiful beaches, remarkable mountains, wonderful campsites, revitalizing nature, exciting festivals and more. But most of the time I like going somewhere wonderful and outside to relax on the weekends. Almost never did I see women being there either by themselves or in a group of women. The vast majority of cases (and I mean like ~95% of all times) when I saw and met women on for example on beaches they were there with men, boyfriends or husbands. It's as if they would never go there by their own self unless a man invites her. I tried to invite girls to go there too on these hot and sunny summer days and they ended up sitting at home on instagram. Women wouldn't get up themselves and go relaxing until someone invites them.

when in doubt - instagram to the rescue

So. With all that said? To me women are still weak, dependent, helpless, passive or waiting for something to happen - and if you're a man reading this and you feel this rings true (depending on your region or cultural situation), then I suggest you start viewing women the same as I do - as helpless, weak and passive, waiting to be saved by you (if they even want to be saved that is). Then you know you can be sure to be the one, that makes any things happen or "leads" if you haven't quite understood the meaning behind "being the leader". Sure, this might be boring but there's a chance you'll "save" one girl, that isn't so boring. And besides the girls won't do it anyway, so don't expect them to and it's either you do it or nobody else will (except for the others like Daniel Hernandez or Chad Thunderrock).

Unfortunately this phenomenon is not going to change until we see changes but until that happens, hell might freeze, so for us men we have little choice but to adapt to it accordingly - we'll likely do the work ourselves and will have low expectations. We'll go after the women we are interested in while women won't do the same or won't reciprocate and they can enjoy missing out and keep browsing on instagram. It's your call.

To the right is not MGTOW but "doing something different from everybody else"

[kidvid80]

i would be so bold to say 85 percent are not independent at all but guys as well dont even cut a lawn in life. as for me i work, cook, clean, cut lawn paid off my first home and car. i def do not need a man but it would be amazing to find the right one to be my best friend and more. though i do have to laugh when a certain type of feminist says she doesn't need a man yet lives at home with her parents and the father does everything for her, things that make you go hmmmmmmmm

[MrCapricorn1995]

In this generation it’s normal to live at home in your 30’s with kids. Not many people are independent. Male or female!

[kidvid80]

@MrCapricorn1995 i know. then when people see i have my own house they get all pissy with me, i work hard 12-12 6 days a week sometimes 7. i have never been given anything in this life. its always rather odd to me when people get jealous or make catty, backbiting remarks

[kidvid80]

@MrCapricorn1995 i also have no kids, one dog who is spoiled lol

[kidvid80]

@Jessicamark8 what is your question or statement? nothing wrong with single moms, unless they live with their parents and the parents/grandparents are practically raising the kids. independent means you do things for yourself self sufficient most just aren't

[Ryfyle]

@kidvid80 Truth be Told, I fucking hate Lawns. Fuck Lawns, an In-ground Swimming pool wastes less water than a shitty patch of grass. Pool and Desert Landscaping is all I care to deal with.

[kidvid80]

@Ryfyle i got half an acre thats means you won't cut it? ahhh shit!

[Ryfyle]

@kidvid80 If your Paying, I'll make it look pro. I live in a Desert, in the Las Vegas Area to be exact. As Time Marched on, more folks were ditching grass, but no one ditched a pool.

[kidvid80]

@Ryfyle its been ridiculous in pa, so humid its been horrible

[Ryfyle]

@kidvid80 Same here. Like someone dropped a swamp out of the sky.

[kidvid80]

@DianaWest ahahahaha where i live it is far fetched. where do you live here its 40 year olds living with their parents who do not work or even drive

[kidvid80]

@DianaWest and i been on my own since 16 living on my own

[Still-alive]

im approaching 40 still living at home :P

[kidvid80]

@Ryfyle samehere since may

[kidvid80]

@Still-alive there's still hope for you, may the force be with you lol

[Still-alive]

yes, i hope the force can stabilize the real estate market, or raise wages for everyone :P

[kidvid80]

@Still-alive keep hope alive, here is to hoping

[KrakenAttackin]

@kidvid80. Well said. I love your "Kid Vid 80's", reminds me of studying while MTV was on in the background.

[kidvid80]

@KrakenAttackin thank you!

[Ellie-V]

I don’t understand why men exaggerate the strong and independent narrative as something that applies to every aspect of a woman’s life. Most women don’t even view it that way. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses and I agree that women generally are passive aggressive in too many areas in personal relationships.

[Wacky_al]

How many women say that she's a strong independent woman and needs no man?

[Ayanna240]

Being strong and independent is NOT to graduate with a good degree, enter the workforce, get paid well, get a drivers license, drive your own car, own a house. You can be a weak person and still do that kinda stuff.

When we talk about being strong and independent, we are not referring to financial assets that you have. We are referring to someone mentally.

An example of a strong / independent woman:

a single mother who managed to raise 3 successful children without any help or much money. She got through terrible times all by herself with nobody to help her but yet she managed to pull through. She was strong enough to not crack under the stress. She somehow make enough money to send all her kids to college, all on 1 income. She is a woman who can handle her own without anyone's help.

This is an example of someone with strong character, not someone who goes to work then comes home to eat donuts in front of a tv until he falls asleep on the couch. There is no struggle in all of this.

[myTake Owner]

"She somehow make enough money to send all her kids to college, all on 1 income. She is a woman who can handle her own without anyone's help."

And yet you contradict your own claim referring to financial assets (or capabilities) that you have.

[Ayanna240]

She could have done some really hard jobs that nobody wants to do that pays well , just so she can send her kids to college. Or she could have been spending 80 hours a week at work.

[Wacky_al]

Stop kidding yourself @Ayanna240. Do you realise there are 24 hours in a day and 168 in a week. SO WHERE ON EARTH CAN A SINGLE MOTHER WORK FULL TIME AND SUCCESSFULLY RAISE CHILDREN TO BE UPRIGHT AND SUCCESSFUL ADULTS?
If a mother works full time (40 hours a week) then her kids are either:
- In their formative years are being raised by SOMEONE ELSE.
- Later on (like school children) are LATCHKEY CHILDREN.
Did it dawn on you that 80 hours a week is 16 hour day (5 day working week), 13 hours (6 day week) or 11.5 hours (7 day week). With the time it takes to commute to and from work. She needs sleep too. Even if she works from home the commute is reduced, the same principle of time applies. It's clear that maths wasn't your strong suit.

See the feminist duplicitous claim of women can have it all. Along the strong independent women nonsense. I wonder why people can't see that it's just conning women.

[nella965]

@Wacky_al

she may be able to find cheap child care from somewhere. she may be doing high paying work that is undesirable job. My boss is a single mom who raised 3 kids all on her own, paid for their college educations, all on her own. She worked 3 jobs

[Wacky_al]

@nella965 The point is that she has no time to interact with her kids. You know the 168 hours in the week thing.

[Ayanna240]

@Wacky_al you don’t need to interact with the kids in order for them to be successful in life. All 3 of her kids are doing extremely well in life

[JustAnj]

I'm a little bit uneasy with how everyone views relationships.

We live we learn.

I understand your take, I just can not concept why this matters and why men and women cannot just overcome all these crazy labels and rules and simply initiate each other, whomever.

Who cares if your independent or not, you want a relationship you need to understand that you both become dependent of each other. This is not a bad thing it's healthy, just so I am more clear, I am not talking about full reliances when you are fully capable. I am talking about rely on each other to build each other's lives up. This is the whole point of partnership, the whole point why cheating and boundaries exist unless you prefer a more open relationship but even then there is a main partnership.

Fighting about egos get women and men nowhere fast.

You want to be a better partner you need to acknowledge there is you and another person. One might have more knowledge the other might need more growth, one might be what the other is missing, either way this overall does not matter once you find someone you feel will challenge you to be further better or make you feel at home and content in your heart.

No one needs to be first it doesn't matter. If both sexes like someone I encourage you both to initiate and if your not ready that's okay, work on your self esteem first you will be a better person for it. ❤️

[spearheadbt]

Hugh... sabotaging chances, guys do that *as much*. By chickening out and not asking her. By ignoring her, etc. That girls don't generally make the first move has nothing to do with this. Besides that's not entirely true.

What about eye contact? If a girl at a bar is constantly looking at you and making eye contact, then clearly she shows interest. Eye contact is intimidating, for everyone. When a girl keeps looking at you, she is putting herself out there. She might not physically approach you or say anything, but it doesn't mean that this eye contact isn't any less meaningful or important. It's a message. She's telling you: "hi, I like you, why don't you come here". That's as important as actually approaching the girl. When you get such a signal, then approaching is easy. And it's *not* necessarily the first "move". Or when a girl looks at you and then makes sure to leave her group of friends and be a bit closer to you. She's basically screaming "please talk to me!".

And the build up to the asking out is more important than the asking out itself. You just don't ask someone out cold. The way girls in general act in terms of dating is indeed different, but that's it, it's different. It doesn't mean they don't have ovaries, or that they don't do their share of work either. It's just different work. They'll flirt with you and stuff. Asking out is easy when all the ground work has been done. Plus they do a fair amount of testing. They don't want just anyone. There's also more risk for girls. And if you can't put up with it, then maybe you are the weak one.

Sure, there are girls who indeed self-sabotage, thinking you are out of their league or whatever. But guys do this all the time too. Just as not all girls are super confident, really not all guys are too.

[Anonymous]

So are you saying that women are weak and defenseless and not strong because they don't take initiative to ask guys out? Because it comes off as you saying they are generally weak and helpless. Which you know is very wrong and you're starting to sound like a bitter incel. I know a lot of women who ask guys out. In fact, a friend of mine has initiated date after date with guys, is she "not strong"? I, myself included have asked out guys. Some instances were successful, some weren't. Big deal, I moved on. I know many women who go out alone all the time, by themselves, as well as many women who slip a guy their numbers. This take seems very one sided and more personal to you than reality. As if men, do not have the same insecurities when seeing a girl they want to approach and thinking they are "too good for them". And men do not really get over their rejection- hence all the bitter incels and woman blaming- so no they are also as you say socially inept.

[Hallo626262]

Lol you say it's wrong but that's exactly how women behave. Sorry but wtf are you smoking?

[Hallo626262]

Lol women obviously handle rejectiok much much worse because they are not used to it. You live in a feminist fantasy world.

[Opinion Owner]

@Hallo626262 your first instance is to call any woman who disagrees with you a feminist. Shows how much you like women lmao. And you know what's funny? Men like you think they know every woman out there because of their few experiences with them. There's millions of us dude. We're not all the same. Stop generalizing women. You're starting to sound like an incel.

[Hallo626262]

There are things called averages. Of course there are women who ask out men. Shouldn't feminist be a compliment to you?

[Opinion Owner]

@Hallo626262 just say that no woman would come near you with a ten foot pole because you think so disgustingly of women and leave. Poor your mother. Having to carry such a hateful creature for 9 months only to hate her in the end.

[Hallo626262]

I want to be friendly to everyone but society and women want to enslave me litterally. Thanks for being an uninformed women.

[spearheadbt]

@Hallo626262 "Lol women obviously handle rejectiok much much worse because they are not used to it"
LOL that gotta be wrong right? There's so many guys with ridiculously inflated egos who take rejection very badly, like by becoming violent or stalking women (which shows strong emotional weakness). Look how many times guys kill their partners (and possibly their kids) because they want to split up? How many times does a woman do that? Or all the more numerous women who end up in a women's refuge? There's a reason so many women don't want to flat out reject guys: you never know if he's nut. Women taking rejection worse than men, that's a new one!!

[Hallo626262]

@spearheadbt women kill their kids more often then men.

[spearheadbt]

@Hallo626262 got stats to back it up? And women who kill their kids don't do it for revenge over a breakup. Men do. And what about men killing their partners because of a breakup. That was actually the point here, that men take rejection much worse than women.

[tatianamay]

Women are not weak. I can point out many guys on here who are shy and submissive. You’re calling them strong and independent? Funny. I’ve asked out guys I’ve liked. I made the first move and I got rejected. Doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t make the first move again. I would if I really like the guy.

The second most closest thing to death is childbirth. Can you experience that? Dude, I’ve seen men breaking down and crying after using the period pain simulator. Lol, they’re strong? Both are strong and independent in their own ways. You’ve said we almost crap our pants if he had to talk to a guy, lol, like guys don’t? Please. Some guys on here don’t even have the guts to ask women out and label themselves as “incels” and “shy guys.” Dude, seriously, unless you stop generalizing women and start viewing them as equals, you’re gonna get rejected a lot

[myTake Owner]

Honey, I try to respect women and view them as strong and equals to us for the favor of both men and women but often enough I end up being rather unimpressed by them and them still behaving like it's the 1950s. That resorts me to thinking "it's a man's world" and such passiveness is reinforcing this idea. It's one thing if one or two women are weak & dependent but it's something else when most women are like that. We have a situation, where it's the opposite: One or two women are strong and independent and ask men out (or at least initiate anything with them).

Shy and submissive guys are doomed. How unfortunate for them. But perhaps one day they might get over it.

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma lmao, you and your weird ass comments again. @MyTakeOwner hey, the guy who replied to my comments is hella weird, can you delete this dude’s weird ass comment? Honestly, I’d start to argue and my BP would raise. Im having a good day and I don’t want an asshole like him to ruin it

[kevyhanma]

😂😂Um I’m not sure how to delete his comments but if it wasn’t clear in my last reply I don’t hit women I’ve actually gotten the crap beaten out of me by women because I refused to hit them

[kevyhanma]

I will smack that ass though but that’s it

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma dude go smack yourself and fuck off

[kevyhanma]

@Blackcupcake look i don’t hit women except on the ass which is fair if she’s punching me in the face

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma dude fuck off, I wasn’t talking to you, I was talking to the MyTake owner

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma no one asked and no one cares so take a hike

[tatianamay]

@Blackcupcake babes don’t argue with that loser. He’s a good for nothing asshole

[have_a_good_day]

I feel like this chick is stronger than I am just because she read that entire shitstorm of a post.

[tatianamay]

@have_a_good_day didn’t read it fully 😂 I skimmed it lol

[kevyhanma]

@tatianamay you don’t even know me

[have_a_good_day]

@tatianamay 😅😅😅 I just zoomed in on the top girl's eyes and read up to "PROACTIVITY" and then I was like "I'll just scroll to see what the comments say" 😅

[kevyhanma]

@Blackcupcake and you got take a hike sweetheart men are talking mkay

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma yeah, and you think you’re some Chad? 🤣

[tatianamay]

@have_a_good_day lmao 🤣 It’s very long haha, and it’s basically the same stuff I’ve read everywhere. So just skimmed through it

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma lmao you’re a joke

[kevyhanma]

@tatianamay yea I literally am 💯😎 👑 💪

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma I do, from the lane ass questions you ask, darling. And trust me, sweetheart, you can know a lot about someone from their comments and questions on here. You’re just some hurt hurt incel who thinks he’s a Chad. Truth hurts, hun 🥰

[Blackcupcake]

@tatianamay exactly, hence why he’s a joke..

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma nah, you’re not even an incel. You’re a fucking joke 😊

[kevyhanma]

Incel she says 😂 you should learn to spell stay in your LANE😂 sugar and let the men lead this is why I say women are weak because of mentally challenged broads like you

[kevyhanma]

@Blackcupcake Again sugar tits a real man is speaking you just sit back look pretty and sip yourself a nice tall glass of shut tf up boo

[kevyhanma]

@tatianamay I would say your a joke but women aren’t funny🤣🤣🤣

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma you’re* you need English tutoring fr fr. A grown ass man not knowing the difference between “you’re” and “your” is what I’d call a joke 😊

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma don’t talk like you have a golden dick, sweetheart. Because guess what? I’m sure they aren’t even 5 inches long 😊 now if you’re gonna brag about yo dick, don’t. We all know it’s small af 😂 go attend English tuition darling

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma a real man my ass, you can’t even face a real man cause you’d shit your pants and that’s why you choose to target women. Because that’s the only way for you to feel superior, but trust me. I can sit here, look gorgeous and still put your pathetic ass in its place. As a woman.

[Blackcupcake]

@tatianamay you were definitely generous with the inches there... lmao

[kevyhanma]

Okay let’s just stop talking about English grammar and sentence structure because yours is terrible and who said anything about my dick? 😂 if you want it just say so booboo im not sure you can handle it though

[tatianamay]

@Blackcupcake awesome comeback sis 😄

[tatianamay]

@Blackcupcake lol yeah, dii I don’t want to embarrass him 😂

[tatianamay]

Didn’t*

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma what is there to want? A micropenis? No thanks and don’t cross the limit with Tatiana she’s underage so be respectful you asshole

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma lmao mine is terrible? Hun, I’m not the one who can’t differentiate between your and you’re. Your English is horrendous, sweetheart.

[kevyhanma]

@Blackcupcake wow you two can’t get dick off your brain🤣🤣🤣 I’m not gonna fuck either of you only nines and dimes for this stallion like cock of mine

[have_a_good_day]

* eats popcorn profusely *

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma that was autocorrect

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma damn, dude, you’re giving too much credit for your micro penis. I’m sure no woman would even touch you with a pole

[kevyhanma]

@tatianamay no that was your inferior plebeian female brain trying to match my superior male intellect

[tatianamay]

@have_a_good_day grab a coke. This is gonna be a longggg argument 😌

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma no one would fuck you even if you were the last man on earth honey so stop lying to yourself...

[kevyhanma]

@Blackcupcake stop talking about sex so much you’ll get slut shamed

[Blackcupcake]

His superior male intellect he said...🤣🤣🤣🤣

Then why the fuck aren’t you talking to a real man with intellect... because you’re a fucking coward and you know you’ll be put in your place within 0.2 seconds you moron

[have_a_good_day]

@tatianamay 😅😅 it is not even an argument.. this is a mauling 😂
I'm not sure why he's even still trying. Probably has a lot of time on his hands in between his lonely cries under the shower

[kevyhanma]

@tatianamay sure babe your probably just aching to grind this axe 😎💯

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma unlike you... I know who I am and what I stand for. I don’t care if people call me a slut and even if I am, I own it.

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma lmao, dude you’re like 21 and I’m like 16. Ask around, people here will tell you that I’m smarter than you 😊

[Blackcupcake]

@have_a_good_day lmfao😂😂

[kevyhanma]

@have_a_good_day why are you on their side? I’m clearly being ganged up on by a couple of penis hungry hookers help me dude wtf😂

[tatianamay]

@blackcupcake let’s not talk about dick sis, he’s insecure and he’s gonna embarrass himself lmao

[tatianamay]

I also do not want to talk about it because he’s hella gross

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma might wanna use those 2 brain cells in your head and be mindful of how you’re addressing Tatiana. Like I said, she’s a minor so fucking show some respect asshole.

[have_a_good_day]

@kevyhanma you look like the female version of Chris Rock. You're a strong and independent woman and I'm sure you are capable enough to stand up for yourself 😂

[tatianamay]

@have_a_good_day lmao 🤣 you’re amazing, thanks haha. And true that 😂

[kevyhanma]

@tatianamay @blackcupcake look at the end of the day I’m not fucking either of you your just not pretty enough but if you wanna get on your knees and put that neck to work I may consider blessing you to taste my god like man meat 💯👑🍆💦😂

[Blackcupcake]

I’m deaad🤣🤣🤣

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma naw, I wouldn’t even touch you with a fucking pole even if you were the last human on this damn planet

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma how about you do yourself a favor, cut it off and shove it down your pathetic throat

[tatianamay]

@have_a_good_day omg you’re the best 🤣

[kevyhanma]

@have_a_good_day oh I’m sorry I don’t address femboy cucks like you Dismissed💯

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma lol you think you’re some hot shit? 😂 joke of the century. Dude I’ve had numerous hot guys ask me out, you’re nothing

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma dude, you do realize that he’s a man right? There’s a difference between a man and a boy, sweetheart. He’s a man, you’re a girl 😊

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma lmfao... butthurt that the man in this conversation sided with the women so you choose name calling huh... very mature and intellectual I’d say

[kevyhanma]

@tatianamay hot guys she says they must have had low self esteem if they’re asking you out your a 3 on your best day🤣🤣🤣🤣

[have_a_good_day]

@kevyhanma 🤣🤣🤣 well it's not this 6'5 femboy what what you need to be worried about though, miss Rock 😅😅
There's a 16 year old who trumps you in brains, wits, and bravery that you'd rather need to focus on 😂

[tatianamay]

You’re behaving like a 9 year old girl now lmao

[kevyhanma]

@Blackcupcake I’ll hurt your butt😏

[kevyhanma]

@tatianamay if you think that’s a man you must date trannies😂🤣

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma Dude you’re not even on the charts that’s how hideous you are...

@tatianamay is a 10/10 and you’re just jealous

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma lmao *yawns* say that to my model ex boyfriend 🥱

[tatianamay]

My ex was a model

[tatianamay]

@have_a_good_day fr 🤣 dude’s an incel who isn’t able to accept the fact that he can’t get girls, so he’s throwing insults at me lmao

[kevyhanma]

@have_a_good_day dude your a 5 foot pussy😑 and a dumbass this girl is about as intelligent as a mole but keep hyping her remedial ass up if you want🤣

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma not even in your wildest dreams you delusional jerk

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma that term is offensive, so stfu. Second of all, you’re like -100, not even a 1, but a negative 100, and also, he seems like a good man who actually respects women unlike you

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma I wonder what that says about your intelligence level then cause this girl is waaay smarter than you at least...

[kevyhanma]

@tatianamay and looking at you I see why he’s your ex🤣🤣😭😭

[have_a_good_day]

@tatianamay 🤣🤣 this is the highlight of my day.
He's trying to hurt my internet feelings now 😂

@kevyhanma? 😅😅 Miss Rock? Are you just gonna continue proving these women right or are you waiting for a man to open the door for you so you can leave?

[kevyhanma]

@Blackcupcake look you clearly just want to polish my knob it’s not gonna happen okay get over it

[Blackcupcake]

@have_a_good_day he wouldn’t even wait until the door was opened for him... he’d escape as soon as he got confronted by a man... only reason why he hasn’t run away from you is because you’re chilling lmao

[kevyhanma]

@tatianamay women don’t need respect just cock in their mouths🤣🤣🤣

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma your imaginary knob? Don’t make me laugh...

[kevyhanma]

@Blackcupcake dudes a straight up faggot he’s got prison bitch written all over him 😂

[kevyhanma]

@Blackcupcake it won’t make you laugh it’ll make you choke 😂

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma he’s more of a man than you for sure... be nice and go ask him to teach you a thing or two

[have_a_good_day]

@Blackcupcake 😅😅 I can't get mad at KellyHanma because I could never raise my hand to a woman in anger 😂

I'm just enjoying the show because the two of you are destroying this little chickenwing 🤣

[kevyhanma]

@have_a_good_day THE HIGHLIGHT‼️ hold this L bitch boy you gets no pussy🤣🤣

[Blackcupcake]

@have_a_good_day lmfao that’s the way to go!😂😂
Don’t worry, we’ll kick her ass for you

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma yeah choke on my own saliva cause the your such a dry ass joke...

[kevyhanma]

@have_a_good_day your the only one saying funny shit they’re lame asf😂

[kevyhanma]

@Blackcupcake that’s what a blowjob is dumbass choking on your own saliva🤣🤣🤣

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma naah that is what a dry joke is you brainless idiot

[kevyhanma]

@Blackcupcake all this because women are weak asl y’all know that y’all are weak asl we could tie up both my arms and legs and I’d still beat the shit outta you and her at the same time🤣 women are weak get over it

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma of course men are physically stronger than women you idiot... but how brave of you to sit there and brag that you can beat up a woman, that really says a lot about you... coward bitch. Go try picking a fight with a man tho, see how it goes even tho we both know how that will end

[kevyhanma]

@Blackcupcake dude find the toughest guy you know I bet I make him my bitch 😎💯

[Blackcupcake]

@kevyhanma LMFAO😂😂 that was actually funny... honey you’ll just be embarrassed so calm that imaginary ego down for a second

[kevyhanma]

@Blackcupcake nobody can beat me💯😂😎👑💪

[tatianamay]

@kevyhanma lol 😂 we’ll see about that. Bet you’d shit your pants before you even start fighting with a man lmao

[doopayo]

This entire thread is scary, @tatianamay I agree with your views though

[tatianamay]

@doopayo lol yeah. Well, there are lots of incels tryna throw insults at me on here. Just gotta stand up for myself

[Diablopawn]

@kevyhanma ok now i can see you're 21 years old. exactly as old as you iq is. *facepalm*

[Blackcupcake]

@Diablopawn 💯💯

[Hallo626262]

Lol women can only be seen as equals if they act like it which they don't.
Women actually like to feel submissive to a guy so not sure what you are smoking.

[Blackcupcake]

@Hallo626262 how exactly would they act like equals?

[Livewire3]

Hmm, not sure where you were going, at first I was all okay and cool with your disclaimer thinking this would be a great discussion about social behavior possibly nurture versus nature topic. But I think you just dropped that when you started using universal male applications. "Men do..." Versus " "some men..." At the end it seemed very specific, like a situation you may have repeatedly experienced. You've also distanced yourself from assault or other issues, which effect how women and men treat going out on their own to experience that 'sunny day at the beach.' I think you are missing some things and derailing the train. But I believe you have potential to grow to a better understanding, just wish this had not run into attacks versus questions.

[Anonymous]

At first i was very worried that this take is going to be another sexist take that trashtalk women. Omg this take is literally great. I thought you are going to critizise "modern" women for not being submissive or traditional. It is perfectly ok to be traditional but i have read some takes that shamed on women for not being traditional/submissive etc. I am just shocked. Unfortunately in many takes that i read men or women are critizised while being trashtalked. I really like it how you critizise women without shaming on them. You even critizise slutshaming which i really like it. I agree with you. Women also should make the first step and if he thinks you are easy or desperate, he does not deserve you. If you really like a guy, dont wait for him to make the first step.

[Opinion Owner]

Man this take is so good. Thank you for making this take

[Opinion Owner]

I agree with the whole take by the way. So i agree with all your points.

[myTake Owner]

Haha, cool! Go tell your friends.

[Opinion Owner]

Are you making fun of me? It sounds ironic. Do you assume the gender of my friends? :)

[Opinion Owner]

Since i think that you want this take get read by females, not really guys.

[Opinion Owner]

Majority of my friends are lesbian, taken or gay men. So i dont think that they would give a fuck about your take since they would not need it. I mean i dont think you want to be approached by gay or taken people. Hahaha

[Opinion Owner]

Ok i will tell my gay friends

[Opinion Owner]

By the way i also think the same shit about many men. Just because many men can approach it does not mean they are not weak too. So

[Opinion Owner]

I see so many guys on gag who want submissive, traditional, virgin/non promiscuos girls but also girls who are good in bed, who are confident and earn money. So if you have such a preference, dont complain then. If slut-shaming was not a thing, I dont think women would not be so afraid of doing the first step. I only see that in shithole countries but not like in some european countries i have been. It is kinda a little men's fault

[kevyhanma]

Women are weak 🤣🤣🤣
Man: hey your gonna have sex tonight
Woman: Omg are you psychic?
Man: No, I’m just stronger than you😂

[Opinion Owner]

What a rant you wrote. Boys -not men- like you are the weak one. So a woman is weak for not having sex with men? Are you weak if you dont have sex with gay men then by your logic? My gay friend will be happy to get know you then since your logic is like that 🤣🤣🤣🤣 go have sex with men then. Dont complain when your girlfriend cheated on you since she has to have sex with men if she does not want to be weak. Now go away and let me alone, and dont spam me.

[Opinion Owner]

Anyway you are not a man. You are still a immature boy who hate women

[DianaWest]

women are weak, and that is YOUR opinion. nothing more than that. just because a woman doesn't run up to a guy and flashes a boob or two doesn't mean she is weak, passive and dependent. you said men become less socially inept while they accumulate more money? and you do not think that could be the case for women as well? maybe the women don't ask you out in particular because they do not find you particularly appealing. i think having a good job with a great salary, a few degrees under your belt, a car and your own place says a lot more about how "strong and independent" one is than whether or not they can muster up the courage to say (after 2 or 6 beers) "damn girl, that booty looking smokin. want my number?"

[myTake Owner]

How about you be my guest and show me that refusing to talk to your romantic interests (or disqualifying them) doesn't show weakness or some sort of dependence from men? Doesn't really prove against my point. Besides that, most women seem to generally prefer it the way it is, that guys do all the work for them. Never did I say go flash your boobs to your romantic interest, it's all about not relying on subtle signals but telling him he's handsome/beautiful/attractive/whatever you find him.

You can also tell me the ways women take on to decrease their social ineptitude. Besides making more money - is it dancing? Shopping? Something else? I think we can learn from each other.

[myTake Owner]

"damn girl, that booty looking smokin. want my number?"

Be honest: Would YOU give such a guy your number after he told you that? Sounds like something Chad Thunderrock or Daniel Hernandez might tell you even without any beers.

[DianaWest]

okay. nowadays most men walk around with their heads in the sand and are afraid of making eye contact with a woman unless they are extremely drunk, at a club, bar, or party. rarely do men actually ask out women anymore. the world of online dating and hooking up has ruined that. a lot of men now rely on going on tinder to find their future wives.

[KrakenAttackin]

@DianaWest Why do you think men are so beaten down? Women have pounded men into pieces at every opportunity! Now a marginally attractive fellow who asks a girl out will immediately be classified as "creepy", which can end up with him losing his job.

No man with any sense talks to women at work (if he cares about his job), as women can destroy a man with a phone call. Some women absolutely LOVE the power they have over men and use it to twist and destroy men, just because they can. Don't deny it. It is even worse when one of these cows starts crushing on a guy at work, if he spurns her she can seek revenge by using HR. The "believe all women" sentiment will normally end up with the guy leaving or getting fired.

[kevyhanma]

That booty smoking comment was cringe af guys don’t talk like that ma’am

[DianaWest]

@KrakenAttackin i know a lot of women are bitches and abuse their positions or power. i would not destroy a person's life for no reason. if you talk to a woman, you should have witnesses and not do it alone until you get to know her really well. you should be in a public place, like a restaurant, cafe, etc. if you are alone with her, then she can invent stories. not all women are like this though. you've just had the misfortune of selecting the trash. you should not allow your experiences with an individual to determine how you feel about a whole group of people, because that will only build resentment and cause issues for you and others that you interact with. people nowadays have become very selfish and arrogant, women and men. there are still good people left. you just have to try hard to find those who are genuine.

[Saartjeh]

it is disgusting and such simple minded.

[Hallo626262]

Well cutie. You also factually had it a lot easier to get degrees as a women. All your special treatment is why no men will ever take you serious.

[KrakenAttackin]

@DianaWest. Good points.

[DianaWest]

@Hallo626262 as if you are all "men."

[Hallo626262]

@DianaWest yes I am all men. However one of the few ones who's actually honest.

[hellacray]

Well let me just simplify things with examples.

People have complained and tried to cancel others because video game characters and even fan art has been too sexy.

Cardi B made WAP... Which I guess is female empowerment? And I think there was even a movement I've seen floating around called free the titty. Where women would march down the street topless holding signs.

I mean a bit hypocritical if you ask me. And I would say it's also a very confusing message to all women in general.

[Emmapelaez]

Women can’t be independent because of men like you. And stop saying “women” when really your talking about your 6th grade ex. Women are perceived as weak and only one purpose, to please men. Women are not weak. We basically have a super power to have EXTREMENLY high pain tolerance and ability to forget pain. Proven. I love how this dude makes an essay preaching about how women are not as well as men when he goes as anonymous. He knew he would get shade and fight back. And he deserves it. This is misogyny.

[myTake Owner]

Ah, I see you decided to go straight with the rest. Very well. Bon Voyage, girl. Don't get hurt ;)

[KrakenAttackin]

@Emmapelaez At 13 you have all of the answers.

[kevyhanma]

Dude women are weak af I could easily one shot any woman

[TwinTonyz]

"Women can’t be independent because of men like you"

If he must allow her to be independent, she's not independent.

I don't agree with him, but the irony was too good to pass up.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If women are really "That strong" then guess what, there are also women like him. So at that point, you're just trying to make excuses and prove his point. And for that pain tolerance thingy, ok if you're that strong then how come you don't expect society to treat you like men? I mean it's less tolerable for men to hit women than vice versa also because you're much more expressive when it comes to it. So yeah i debunked your pain tolerance agenda

[Hallo626262]

According to all studies ever conducted men have a higher pain tolerance.

[Anonymous]

I understood your point until you decided to say “weak, helpless, and passive). They aren’t :) at all. Because with that logic, so are men. Lots of men don’t make the first move either. Hell, the men I know can’t even mow the lawn or change a lightbulb. I know men who still live in their moms basement, with your logic, no one is “strong and independent” then.

[myTake Owner]

Fair enough. Men are still the ones, that do the most work.

[Opinion Owner]

Not all the time. The men in my life do less or the same amount so I guess it’s situational

[KrakenAttackin]

You are missing the mark. All of this "girl power" is an illusion, which is where the real My Take should be. Women pretend to be "badass" and "powerful", yadda yadda yadda, but the reality is they depend on men to make the world in which they live. The physical infrastructure that is built and maintained by men, is what allows modern women to engage in this vast delusion of "empowerment".

You doubt what I write? Just remember, feminism ends with a flat tire.

[A_Bell]

Or a spider.

[DianaWest]

@KrakenAttackin both sexes have their own competencies and incompetencies. i wonder how you'll survive in a world full of only men? a considerable amount of men in the world are not even capable of washing their own underwear or cooking an omelet without burning the house down, so please. you ever raise an infant on your own without any other support? you knew what to do when your baby had a fever or a cold in the winter? perhaps you had an idea, but i'm sure women should be given their credit where it's due.

[KrakenAttackin]

@DianaWest Wrong. Men designed, built, maintain, renovate, and expand; the world in which you live. All of this physical infrastructure, protection, gynocentric legal protection; has made women the most clueless and entitled creatures to ever walk the earth. Your own self-delusion makes you think you could survive without everything men have done for you (and continue to do for you).

You analogy of an omelet and washing underwear is interesting as this tells me the value of the skills you bring --- washing underwear and making an omelet. FYI, how many modern women need a GPS to FIND the kitchen much less do anything worthwhile once in the kitchen.

Yes, there are a lot of women nurses, which is a valuable skill (when the nurses actually care about their patients, I have my own nurse horror stories), but there are male nurses as well.

My point is the the whole female ultra-empowerment is so wildly unfounded.

[DianaWest]

@KrakenAttackin oh please. how many buildings and airplanes have you built? there are female soldiers, astronauts, scientists, doctors, lawyers, engineers, computer scientists, programmers, spies, etc. just like men. you so conveniently left out the part of knowing how to raise and take care of a baby. a woman wiped your ass and took care of you, ensured you did not die if you ever caught a cold or fever, and made you the man you are today, so you could go out into the world and build all the roads and buildings you want. a lot more men abandon their kids than women, just look at the number of single mothers. women are just as capable and intelligent as men. sure, women don't often build roads and buildings because biologically, women are the weaker sex (in terms of physical power, but never in terms of intellectual ability). men in other nations to this day continue to prevent women from driving, going outside, going to school, being in politics because they are sexist pussies and are worried that a woman will surpass them in skill, salary, or achievement. both sexes have made very important contributions to the world. men AND women have researched and identified cures for deadly diseases or contributed to technology and modern medicine, so don't give me that bullshit. for centuries and even now in too many countries around the world women are suppressed and have a boot over their faces by "men" that are threatened by the potential of a smart, driven, and ambitious woman. female doctors, police officers, fire fighters, soldiers, paramedics, nurses save a lot of lives on a daily basis. God forbid you ever find yourself in a life and death situation and have only a woman around to save you. after all, women are not capable of much, according to you. so they should just let you save yourself and figure it out on your own, since you are the intelligent and superior "man" that you claim to be.

[KrakenAttackin]

@DianaWest blah blah blah... Yes there are exceptions to the rule, but they are exceptions. Somewhere deep inside your brain you may actually understand this.

Being an "Instagram influencer" Is not a critical skill, not is dressing like a skank. Seriously, modern women and their mind-blowing arrogance really think they are the backbone to society. When in reality you barely have skills to perform the most menial tasks.

[DianaWest]

@KrakenAttackin your mother or sister might be instagram skanks. i am well on my way to becoming a lawyer. not my fault you hate women. people who hate entire groups of humans have proven to have very low IQs and are driven only by their emotions, inadequacies, and resentment. i am convinced men have done great things for the world, but you are not a part of that circle. use your superior intelligence to improve humanity instead of seething behind a computer.

[KrakenAttackin]

@DianaWest A lawyer... great, another parasite suing people. Lawyers are the most boring people on the planet.

[KrakenAttackin]

@DianaWest you ask how many planes and buildings have I built. Well, I have flown F-18:s off of an aircraft carrier, flown private aircraft all over the world. I have not built buildings but I have employed highly radioactive Gamma radiation to ensure integrity of welds, reinforced concrete, steel beams, ship hulls, nuclear power plant "hot loops", etc. Not many women were around during these evolutions... actually no women.

[Hallo626262]

@DianaWest problematic that you as a priveleged women in the justice system will work in exactly that system you are so priveleged in.

[DianaWest]

@Hallo626262 not all women are bitches. some are because that is the type of women you like.

[DianaWest]

@KrakenAttackin not all women are bitches the way your ex-wife probably was. your resentment for women is blatant. women weren't around because men with your mentality kept a boot on their faces. the day women could go to school without being shot in the head was also the day they began finding cures for deadly diseases. women built the weapons during the world wars. for a man who claims to be so intelligent, your mind is rather narrow.

Dr. Shirley Jackson – Telecommunication research: "Theoretical physicist Dr. Shirly Jackson was the first black woman to receive a Ph. D. from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1973. While working at Bell Laboratories, she conducted breakthrough scientific research with subatomic particles. Her research enabled others to invent the portable fax, touch tone telephone, solar cells, fibre optic cables, and the technology behind caller ID and call waiting. Imagine all the important information you would have missed without this amazing woman!"

www.one.org/.../

"Maria Telkes – The first 100% solar powered house: The Hungarian scientist is famous for creating the first thermoelectric power generator in 1947. With this technology and the principles of semiconductor thermoelectricity, she designed the first solar heating system for the Dover Sun House in Dover, Massachusetts, and the first thermoelectric refrigerator in 1953."

"Ann Tsukamoto – Stem cell isolation: In 1991, Tsukamoto and her colleagues made a major medical breakthrough – they were able to identify and isolate stem cells. This discovery has been vital to medical advancements, including the development of bone marrow transplants to treat blood cancer."

[DianaWest]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-40923649

Maria Beasley – The life raft: "n 1882, US inventor Maria Beasely decided that people should stop dying at sea. People had been navigating the seas for millennia, but the lifeboats that existed at the time were not an effective product to help in the event of a SOS situation. Now, thanks to Maria, thousands of lives have been saved, including an estimated 706 from when the Titanic sank."

Marie Curie – Theory of Radioactivity: "By the time Polish physicist Marie Curie was just 44 years old, she had laid out a theory of radioactivity (a term that she coined), techniques for isolating radioactive isotopes, and the discovery of two elements, polonium and radium. She was the first person in history to win two Nobel Prizes and the only person to win twice in multiple sciences!"

Space station batteries - Olga D Gonzalez-Sanabria
Home security system - Marie Van Brittan Brown

Kevlar - Stephanie Kwolek
This chemist invented the lightweight fibre used in bullet-proof vests and body armour.

Since her discovery in 1965, the material, which is five times stronger than steel, has saved lives and is used by millions every day.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-40923649
1. Computer software - Grace Hopper: After joining the US Navy during the Second World War, Rear Admiral Grace Hopper was assigned to work on a new computer, called the Mark 1.

It wasn't long before she was at the forefront of computer programming in the 1950s.

She was behind the compiler, which could translate instructions into code that computers can read, making programming quicker and ultimately revolutionising how computers worked.

Now stop pretending that women are stupid and have contributed nothing to this world. those with superiority complexes and resentment display their intellectual deprivations.

[Hallo626262]

@DianaWest i don't know why you say that that has nothing to do with my comment.

[SweetValor]

You're right because this is the harsh reality. All the women who claim to be "independent and strong" really aren't, because the fact that they have to even point out them being strong just has the complete opposite effect. If you can hold your own weight and be strong or independent, good for you. But most of the women aren't actually "strong'' nor ''independent'' and are instead just labeled that way to boost their egos. As a member of the female gender, I have seen this many times and it just doesn't make sense to me.

[Saartjeh]

nope lol you are closed minded.

[Izzyboom]

Why is it that women have a higher bar to be considered strong or independent. A poor man is viewed as independent but a semi rich women might still be viewed as dependant. (Obvs this works the opposite way with other topics but in the independent part women are looked down on).

[Hallo626262]

@Izzyboom there is no higher bar. Women just aren't as independent and ask for special treatment all the time.

[SweetValor]

@Izzyboom That makes no sense and is untrue.

[DermalPunch]

👋🏾 Hi. I'm the girl who takes herself to the beach alone. You will also find d me dining alone as well.

I proposed to my now ex husband.

Yes, a lot of women are passive and expect to have things given and they feel that they can't do anything without a man.

They can. What it is is that they don't know how to handle having to put people in their place and be "difficult" when they try to screw them over because they are women. Many people think of she's a vulnerable woman and I can get away with [insert shady act here] and she won't do anything.

Yeah. Gotta get into battle mode. Re approaching partners a lot of dudes to see women who approach out of the blue loke men do as easy and will take advantage. Women have to be passive in the area.

[Coolkat12345]

Lol your thoughts may explain why your having relationship problems. You shouldn’t think so low of woman because they are not all the same dude. Some of them are cool and some of them are wack, it’s as simple as that. You can’t categorize every single woman as being one way because of some bad experiences you had with some of them. Trust me some fit into that category you put them into but not all, there are some really cool ones out there and in order to find one then you gotta be cool yourself and it will happen easily or at least it should.

[MzAsh]

If you want women to make the first move, then you will likely need to be submissive to her throughout the duration of the relationship. That’s the dynamic this sets you up for. It simply goes against natural desire.


Besides, I have been the one to make the first move before and it only set the stage for the guy being lazy and taking my attention for granted. When I sit back and have him pursue, the results were so much better.

[Salohcin22]

I agree that men should make the first move, but its not that you made the first move, its more that you liked him more than he did you. Most of my girlfriends did make the first move, and I could say that when she is pursuing me, the results are so much better and they weren't lazy, they really did their all in the relationship, or I could realize whoever asks generally is just way more attracted to the other person.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

So that would women are lazy bc they don't persue men? and attention for granted.

It's just that they don't take rejection well men have more experience in that department lol.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

So that would mean women are lazy bc they don't persue men? and take attention for granted.***

It's just that they don't take rejection well men have more experience in that department lol.

[MzAsh]

It’s not in a woman’s dna to pursue as it is in a man’s.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Agreed but still there is lot of gap and hypocracy that changes according women wants or whenever it's convenient or brnfitial to them

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Benifitial *

[bamesjond0069]

"Almost never did I see women being there either by themselves or in a group of women. The vast majority of cases (and I mean like ~95% of all times) when I saw and met women on for example on beaches they were there with men, boyfriends or husbands."

Yeah. You can even see this just driving. Most of the road is men and couples. Women literally just sit home and play on their phones.

[myTake Owner]

If i am being honest, that annoys me, that they allow themselves to be so passive to the point they won't do anything themselves. No wonder men run this world.

[bamesjond0069]

Its not hard to hit on women... its hard to hit on women when they refuse to leave the house! I agree with another post on here by @MzAsh that men should make the first move. This leads to higher quality men and women. Women who initiate are usually low quality and men who won't are usually low quality too.

[myTake Owner]

I disagree but whatever

[bamesjond0069]

Which part or both?

[DianaWest]

@bamesjond0069 women who initiate are low quality? nowadays some men are afraid if you make eye contact with them. some men nowadays will only ask women out who have half their ass hanging out of their skirt or shorts. those are some magnificent high quality women.

[myTake Owner]

As in that I enjoy women making the first move and I don't think lowly of them.

[bamesjond0069]

@DianaWest "some men nowadays will only ask women out who have half their ass hanging out of their skirt or shorts." And to combat this you want to date these men so you as a girl should ask them out... those are shitty men if thats what they go for, and if you desire shitty men you are a shitty woman.

[Anonymous]

If you meet a woman (or man) who feels the need to proclaim she is a "strong and independent woman", turn and run the other way and don't look back. Being independent, aka being a normal adult, is something anyone worth dating should be by default. Saying "I'm a strong and independent woman" is like saying "I wipe my ass before I flush the toilet".

[LeeannaDD]

What's wrong you? Mommy didn't hug you enough as a child? Or worse did she baby you too much? You clearly have a misogynistic view of women and your letting preconceived notions affect your judgment of situations that have nothing to do with what you think they do.

[TruthBringer]

Ah yes, ad hominems because cannot produce valid counter arguments. Come back when you learn to try and understand someone else's perspective instead of throwing an emotional tantrum and overused feminazi shaming tactics.

[Hallo626262]

Hahaha classic women. Just like children 😌

[Explorer91]

What are you on about... this is all the world from your view point. And you have drawn some sort of conclusion in your head and convinced yourself of it.
Have you ever watched dr Phil. And he asks them why they think a certain way. They give the answer, and dr Phil and the audience looked shocked and almost laugh that the person genuinely views reality like they do.
thats how I felt when I read what you wrote.