Do women care about men?

[Grisbosque]

Do women care about men?

from a male perspective it often appears that women do not care about us. some men think women are incapable of loving men.

I look at how few women study mens rights issues, and have to wonder if women do care about us in any meaningful way. I think most women on this site would be shocked if they did bother to study our issues.

expecting a guy to love you if you in turn dont care about him is shallow. and will never work in the long run.
the problem I think is the result of programming; women are so into vanity products and popular people that they think little of the guy they are with, his dreams and needs etc. and I suspect the women most successful in relationships are those who care about the man.

like the Zen saying;

"The best thing a man can hope for, is an understanding woman."

how many women care enough to even think about the guy other than his utility factors?

HEY! we are people too! but if you study mens rights issues you will quicly learn what a horror story society is for us. do you care enough to study our issues? or will you just bad mouth us and then wonder why we avoid relationships now.

the secret to harmony is love both directions.
love is best earned, just like respect. people who expect love and respect without giving the same are delusional.

and yes, I know, there are a lot of real sleaze bag men out there... its always been like that. the challenge is to find an honest one and reciprocate on all levels.

G

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+1 y

Ahh! some good negative responses! (3)

well if we were in power, why would we trash men in divorces?

and everything listed that you accuse men of women also do, pointing fingers fixes little.

"Cry me a river" is oft used by feminists... how cliche! I will cry you a river when you are dealing with the blow back; cause and effect universe, what comes next? what will come back on women? nothing? I think not.
its men who hold up the system, search; ghosting and four levels of MGTOW.

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+1 y

Anonymous 18-24

what is it that affects men negatively?

Well, first of all the job place working world sucks, as many women are beginning to figure out. and as men, we dont get all the secretarial jobs in air conditioned cubicles, where we shuffle pages on a computer between coffee breaks, and touching up our makeup...

lets have gender equality all the way from top to bottom. from offices to the sewage treatment plant.

let the HR department be forced to give half of all jobs to men.

[RachelBrigs]

Er... so because there aren't many women studying men's issues, women with boyfriends and husbands don't truly love them back?

Men's issues/rights will probably never be a popular topic just as white people issues/rights won't be either, just as rich people issues/rights won't be either. Maybe one day in the very distant future but not today. Because when a group holds power over the other- even when that power has been abolished/evened out in our society for years- that group will always be seen as the one with the upper hand. Whether its right or wrong that's another topic, but let's not say women as a whole don't care about men as a whole and that women don't actually care for their bfs and husbands bc they aren't studying "men's rights"

[Grisbosque]

only if you dont want to be superficial, and do want to educate yourself and be understanding? and if you ignore our issues, that ain't love babe, thats using.

[RachelBrigs]

Do you study environmental science? If not you are superficial and don't care about our environment
Do you study women's issues? If not you are superficial and don't care about women
Do you study African studies? If not you are superficial and don't care about African people
Do you study the Holocaust? If not you are superficial and don't care about jews

[RachelBrigs]

"Babe"

[Grisbosque]

well actually I am a generalist and suck up everything I can, and yes I do care.

have you ever communicated with a muslim woman and asked her about the stuff Hillary says about them? I do.

envioronmental science?
following climate change for 25 years.

African Studies? my favorite parter on the job was a black guy, is that African enough? we spent a lot of days together talking, still miss him. and George Washington Carver was my childhood hero. that was in the 60's, in the south, with no coloreds signs on bathrooms,

holocast; yes, read everything I see on it. and also know why the Germans were pissed at the Jews, do you? didn't just happen, there was history behind it.

women's studies? I was there in the 70's on a commune where that stuff started, when it started, suggest you read my comments about the experience on some of the other threads on feminism on this site...

anyway, good rant girl! please continue!

if we go on long enough, common ground is inevitable.

G

[Grisbosque]

love you "Babe" nothing like a hot one to liven things up! 😆

[RachelBrigs]

Surely, you understand my point though? Are you saying all people who don't study any given topic simply don't care at all and are superficial?

But by the way, having an black friend and liking George Washington Carver doesn't count as "african studies." 😂😂😂

"I know why Germans were pissed at the Jews" sounds a little like justification of the mass murder of millions

And just simply existing during the 70s DOESN'T count as women's studies. I exist during the MRA and MGTOW movement but that doesn't qualify me as someone who has studied men's issues by any means.

I'm also a generalist, I read about an array of topics, but in this day and age quite a lot of people are given how readily available information is. That doesn't make them well read on any specific topic though. Doesn't count.

[Grisbosque]

well, I didn't just exist, I was ahead of the curve. and pray tell us why the Germans were pissed
at the jews? saying you know, and explaining are two different things!

well, to be informed is to know what you are talking about. what do you know about our issues? do you understand what the four levels of MGTOW will do to society? what culture still exceeds replacement birth rate?

And I have news for you; we are all humans, and fighting solves nothing. it only sets up more problems.

dont know about you,
but to me this site is about communication between genders.

(like getting apples and oranges to party together)😆

[RachelBrigs]

You're still not getting it. But I'm not surprised.

[Grisbosque]

and I read Malcolm X in highschool, on my own, not required. that doesn't count either? because women weren't running the course?

you're a nub; only been on planet a short while. I know things you will only learn the hard way. thats how I learned em!

"every generation spends most of it's time learning what other generations already knew."

which is why writing is so powerful..

if the pen is mightier than the sword, how powerful is a laptop if used correctly? (hint; Tactical nuke!)

the only worthy agenda is absolute truth.

G

[RachelBrigs]

You. Still. Don't. Get it.

Most men don't study women's issues, so are most men superficial and lack genuine care for women?

[Kingfrosty]

XD i have 2 say i would love a womens life over a mans life any day if you took way getting pego and bleeding every month it would be great ^^
as much sex as you want
you can still obtain a great career and anything else a guy has
you have the opposite sex come 2 you 24/7 trying 2 win you over
you have majority of the power in a relationship
you dont need 2 be strong
people isten 2 your problems
no such thing as someone calling rape when it wasn't and sending you 2 jail
can marry a guy and take everything from him just for having sex with him (1 girl made 1 000 000 ) a i bet a lot more people have 2
you get the kids if you and you partner breaks up
you also could be a house wife XD like come on

[Kingfrosty]

tell me what you think being a girl is bad everything thats bad about a girls life you dont really need 2 put up with she can get guy friends in high school
she doesn't have 2 put make up on 2 look good
like you girl worry about all the little things like do my nose look 2 long accept your self for who you are.

[Grisbosque]

well, we dont have to study women's issues, we live them. we are expected to fix them. by females who think its our job to fix every whim they can think to verbalize. which is all based on Chivalry, which was extended to average women by a terminal nobility just before going to the Guillotines for being out of touch with reality. same as women today.

suggest you read some articles at AVFM, new one posted today on birth rate and collapsse of Rome with its feminism etc.

very interesting correlation, that feminism is a sign of terminal societies.

what happens next? girls?

[Grisbosque]

ahhhh!
I think you are studying men's issues right now whilst trying to deny that they could possibly exist.

[LadyWulfe]

I care about men that treat me like a human being. It's exactly the same opinion I have about women. Treat me with common courtesy and respect, and I will show you the same in my actions, no matter what chromosomes you have. Everyone is equal, everyone deserves to be treated as such.

[Grisbosque]

you are balanced! what happened to you to get that way?

very good! better than I could have said it.
G

[Bethany-Louise]

Sadly, men's issues and the struggles they also go through are a lot less publicised than females.

Don't have a negative view of all women though, I care so much for my man haha.. Just want him to achieve any dream he has.

I do care about men's rights :-)

[Grisbosque]

good girl you are a keeper! hope you have a really good guy. wish all women thought like you, the world would be a much better place for us all. I also hope your guy cares as much about your dreams. I dont think all women are bad. some go against the system even in divorce to make sure the kids still have a father for more than every other week end and Wednesday night. I suspect the good girls stats could be extrapolated from those numbers alone.
the problem with divorces is the lawyers push fights and generally cream off about one third of joint assets.

thank you for being who you are.

G

[Bethany-Louise]

Aww thank you - that was sweet :-)
He's a really really great guy :) hope you get all your happiness!

[Gnana]

I agree with you. Many women seen shallow, but so do most men in my point of view! But it isn't a reason to think that every woman is like that.

[Summeroflove]

Some women do 💯 care for men. There’s some really amazing women and some… not so amazing women.



You can’t force someone to love you you CAN NOT FORCE SOMEONE TO LOVE YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!!!



But some do

[Anonymous]

About the same as an old time farmer cared about his mule.

[Anonymous]

I don't care about men or "men's issues". Cry me a river disgusting men. You cheat, lie, use women, sleep around, abandon your kids and their mother, abuse, don't do anything around the house, think you're entitled to the women you want, do criminal stuff and whatever. All you care about is sex and yourself. So why would I care about you? Hell no.

[Grisbosque]

boy! have you had some experiences! I can relate... but from the opposite side of the looking glass...

if you want better partners, you have to be better at getting better partners...

"The hard path looks easy." (Tao)

G

[Grisbosque]

thats nice and extreme😉 where do you suppose it will take you? like "what if" this problem in Syria turns into WW3? not going to have anybody looking out for you with that attitude... I bet I have been through as much as you have... and still able to realize that there are good women...

good luck, hope you find happiness and heal from the hurt.

[Grisbosque]

never a police record.
taught my son to read at adult levels at 3 years old. he later became a state champion.
he taught his little brother to read after the divorce using my technique.

his little brither now has the same job title as Edward Snowden before his Russian vacation.
good guys get trashed just like good women do. do you have any ideas how to edit the liars? that would be important to human kind...

[Opinion Owner]

I just don't care about men and I certainly do not care about "men's issues". Men whining about "their issues" and "MGTOW" are even more disgusting and pathetic than a the normal men. And who the fuck cares about "MGTOW" anyway? Pathetic losers who think they're "getting back" at women by staying away from them and complaining on youtube and forums? Lol. If there's anything bad happening to a man then he deserves it in my opinion. I hate men, I'm disgusted by men, I do not date and I will never get into another relationship, UNLESS he's rich so I can get his money. That's all I have to say to you.

[Grisbosque]

classic! exactly how the more radical MGTOWs think women really are...

the problem is where its all going, mens rights issues is only one factor in a tapestry of causes and effects, all of which create future reality. we dont live outside of reality, and what you think effects little... its like some people think reality is solid and unchanging.

its all cause and effect, with a long chain of events leading up to now.

you will get your karma, everything in the universe is a dichotomy, and bad thoughts and actions are a dichotomy with luck.
But I'm sure you won't believe that. Buddha explained it as a bad man having a resentful life because he couldn't figure out where his bad luck came from.

JC taught the connection curing diseases and warning some of the people not to do evil again or they could end up with something worse than before.

everything has something to balance it. do you really think you can be an uncaring gold digger and absolutely nothing will ever come back on you?

[Grisbosque]

I think you underestimate the MGTOW men. they are not losers, in fact I suspect their numbers will start to grow as other men envy their freedom and lack of female baggage.

and the women can be equal, and hold down jobs etc. and forget about having kids.
pay their own bills etc.

the MGTOW effect is growing rapidly. now not just a few. and new mgtows are created five days a week at your local courthouse... and its men who hold up the society, secretarial stuff feeds nobody but drones.

anyway, I hope you have better experiences in the future. your current mental state seems extreme. did you not have a part less than innocent in your bad experiences? in mine, I made choices that enabled my own victimization. have you connected those dots yet? the last stage before freedom is indifference, getting beyond both the problems and the blaming.

[Grisbosque]

if all I cared about was sex and myself, would I live alone for years, or spend my time trying to get younger people to think?
I do a lot of volunteer work, teach poor third world kids English, building the worlds first gravity water powered food dehydrator to cure that poverty.

if all I cared about was sex and myself I would be a PUA and live in a city and victimize women.

and none of your descriptions of men fit me, none. nor do they fit any of my friends, or their sons...

but then Im more of a country person. maybe its city guys you know.

but you are hurt and angry,
and I didn't do it to you.

nor did billions of other men.

anyway, maybe you will be happier after the crash? then you can hate us,
and have a better excuse. more people opting out of society all the time. women ghosts exceed men in numbers.

"revolution comes when life isn't worth living." (Tao)

[Grisbosque]

and women do none of these things?
nor do they do anything to cause these things?

[tzdc21]

She sounds lovely, doesn't she? lol.

[Anonymous]

I care about the men I'm close to (dad, brother, grandfathers, boyfriend) but I don't care about other men in general. However I don't care about women I'm not close to either.

[Grisbosque]

the best women for relationships are those who have good brothers and dad.

they realize that guys are good hearted and loving. I really feel for the women who missed that experience or who had fathers who used them sexually. mine did with my sister, but she was lucky and found a good guy who was patient and loving and got her past the problems.

plus she had a little brother she loved; ME! which has made my entire life better.

the root problem of this issue is a love/egocentric dichotomy; we have to not be egocentric to be able to love. and then to be loved.

G

[Grisbosque]

I suspect thats a very realistic perspective. caring most about people actually in your life. but I also know what goes around, comes around, and if you care about them you must also educate yourself as what is happening to other men. as if its not stopped, it will inevitably trash the lives of guys you care about.
for evil people to win, all it takes is good people doing nothing.

G

[Anonymous]

I don't care about women's issues or men's issues... Could you please describe what the men's issues are and what it is that makes society a horror story for you?

[Grisbosque]

well, men's and women's issues are where we differ on perspectives, basically worldview, and how things should be.

humans being generally egocentric at heart, causes a division along gender lines. this has downstream effects for both sides of the gender divide.

humans being a diverse group means that there are always fringe elements. these fringe groups try to amplify their own power by convincing others that they are correct. one might describe it as "Tribal Agglomeration". (to coin a term)

usually these groups fail due to their own absurdities. but often certain conditions exist where they can be successful with whatever their brand of extremism is.
by telling lies about who ever their target opposition group is.

this can destroy a society literally. which is what I think is happening here. and being unconcerned about this might be personally risky.
especially considering that the divorce issue alone is radicalizing men at an extreme rate, millions per year.

[Grisbosque]

and having been through it my self, I can tell you the reactions are extreme, long term, and cause serious real changes in one's outlook and manner of doing things.

of course reactions vary. as do the people. but a consensus of sorts is being formed that has four parts;

1. Manginas; those men who justify what happened to them and identify with their oppressors, basically gender "Uncle Toms", generally the more gutless men.

2. PUA's; pick up artists, men who no longer take women seriously as mates, and just practice skills on using female psychology against women, for the sole purpose of sex; pump and dump. these are the hormonal liars, and best avoided by decent women.

3. MRA's: mens rights activists, who use communication to raise awareness of issues with anyone who cares enough to listen. these are often more decent people.

4. MGTOWs: these are men who have given up on both society and women, and who are electing to plan their own path forward alone, and not marry, have children,

[Grisbosque]

or pay income taxes, or do military service.
they call it "Ghosting", and it is growing very rapidly, perhaps exponentially.

they tend to only work enough to support their own needs, and use minimalism to avoid paying taxes that can be used to help women.

basically this group is the most powerful due to effects, and is growing rapidly, with a stated goal of bringing down the society via non violent means. to the point there is no leverage possible on men by women through a political system.

these men tend to be intelligent and experienced and communicative. they are not loser virgins or nerds with bad hygene. they are norma guys who have done the math and realize the only answer is a nose dive towards the ground until thigs change or the society ceases to exist.

so; case in point; not caring about men or mens issues is in effect choosing door number four for yourselves, we are talking social collapse, and perhaps anarchy. the Japanese government is freaking due to the Herbivore men.

[Grisbosque]

And all cultures on the planet except one now have a birth rate lower than the 2.7 replacement rate, the Muslims are who is at 3, but they are dropping fast.

what this means is societies based on economic growth, and population growth to care for the aging are effect going extinct.

for women, is that the Nanny State security is going away in your lives, and its the men doing it. quietly, and seriously.

men are learners. we are problem solvers, and we also have our natural attractions. things we like to do.

these things include skills that make us easily adaptable to a post society reality.

so my point is; what will women do?

[Grisbosque]

and to answer your two questions;

1: mens issues are anything that affects us negatively in any way.

2. the society is a horror for me because I see that its all twisted by greed, vanity,
and lies into something where normalcy has become a sick mass psychosis, an egocentric dance of death towards perhaps extinction level events.

I grew up during the cold war, I remember the Cuban missile crisis, and I can tell you that we were never this close as now to nuclear war. I also see the massive environmental damage thats going exponential, why? human vanity.

personally I and others see a perfect storm situation coming over the horizon, and most females are doing their nails, chattering on their phones, and brushing off the man and telling him to go fix it...

"Hell is the truth realized too late."

if you won't listen, we can't fix it!

then you can live in a road warriors like culture.

thats the horror; that women expect us to fix all their problems. and ours? who cares?

[Opinion Owner]

Uh I'm sorry, I need you to give me real examples of what negative things you're talking about... What exactly is it that affects men negatively?

[Grisbosque]

ok, divorce issues, dirty job reality, workplace health and safety, equal risk in military service.

there are more.

if you are curious goto AVFM. com, 10% of their articles are really good.

[Grisbosque]

Im short on time at the moment but will get back to you. with a better description.
hopefully within 24 hours.

[Grisbosque]

divorce and child custody and support laws, Military draft, given the dirty and dangerous jobs, made to pay taxes that disproportionantly go to womens benefits programs, guilty until proven innocent of any sex charges, and if proven to be false alegations, nothing ever happens to the woman. blamed for domestic violence automatically when in fact stats show its women half the time, and in fact women more likely to abuse children.

obviously you dont realize that feminism is a bigger danger to women than it is to men, how?

" pendulum effect."

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable." (JFK)

how many mens shelters compared to women's? how many domestic disputes are started by women's mouths?

and how long will it be before men decide to crash the system? (already beginning.)

if you continue as you are, we will set the clock back for you a few thousand years.

you think that won't happen? pray tell; what prevents us from doing it?

words?

[Opinion Owner]

In my country custody are always shared unless one of the parents is a very bad influence on the child or doesn't cooperate with the other parent...

Child support... Yeah, you need to pay for your kid... What's the problem?

Men are free to choose whatever career they want. If they don't want to work a dangerous or dirty job they don't have to.

Women work and pay taxes too, just like men.

Actually I'd say it's hard for a woman to get her rapist punished, at least in my country. There has to be a lot of evidence pointing towards the woman telling the truth. A lot of women who were actually raped lose in court and their rapist goes free. Fair? No.

If mens shelters were really needed they would already exist. Men aren't usually abused to the point that there's risk for their lives and they can usually defend themselves against women than vice versa... But if you feel there is a true need for a mens shelter just go ahead and start one then.

[Opinion Owner]

If a man falsly acuses a woman of raping him there won't be any punishment for him either.

Uh... Started by women's mouths? So you mean you think that it's ok for a man to hit the woman if she started a verbal argument first?

Crash the system? I don't really understand what exactly you think is going to happen. Could you explain?

[Grisbosque]

so you think verbal abuse is ok if its by a woman, and she should be able to say absolutely anything with no repercussions? seems unrealistic to me, try that with your girlfriend, and get your girly eyes scratched out in a catfight.

its called a double standard.

[Grisbosque]

so womens shelters must have already existed before Erin Pizzy started the first one by your logic?

another double standard?

the collapse thats coming has been predicted since the limits of growth study MIT, search it, also the more recent University of Maryland Collapse study available in full on their website, search it.
also the four stages of civilizations is posted on "ourfiniteworld. com" suggest you read that too. and ask yourself where are we? ignorance of reality is no excuse.

and then ask yourself if its a good idea for women to have all the men infuriated with them collectively while going into such a collapse? or would it be better if we stopped it? and saved bullions of lives? maybe including yours?

also I suggest you rethink your position on child support. there have been case where women impregnated themselve from used condoms and courts made the man pay support. if you think thats justice, I suggest you check into a mental hospital.

[Grisbosque]

are you from India?
there are writers from India often on AVFM. its quite interesting.

other collapse search terms;

food crisis

desertification

biological overshoot

and you might think about how women will be treated in a post collapse society?

search term;

Lords Resistence Army

Boko Haram

ISIS

its not going to be pretty.

[Grisbosque]

correction;

replacement rate is 2.1, not 2.7

G

an article on this today at AVFM. com

women who do not study men's issues only get part of the story from hate group feminists. you have to understand both sides of any issue to get true perspective. so men not being allowed to even have issues is more than a bit one sided
and stupidly evil.

its always what you dont know that bites you in the ass... so it will go with feminism and men's issues.

[Polocrew]

Lol duds you asking it here? This shit is filled with bigger sexually frustrated chicks who can't get laid. Not good choice lmao

[Nikki1989]

I care about my husband and my male friends. That is all I can do.

[Anonymous]

please shush you sound pathetic.

[Dєѕιвσу]

You must shussssh dear. Ignorance is bliss.

[tzdc21]

No. Most of them don't give a damn about us.

[StickStickity13]

I've met lots of caring women in my life

[Anonymous]

No I don't care about men at all.

[Grisbosque]

thats sad. I hope you have exceptionally good luck and run into a guy that changes everything for the better for you.
dont hold your breath though! lotsa jerks out there. humans are far from perfect. but thanks for responding. I appreciate honesty more than anything. learn to forgive, its hard, but helps...