Honestly, no two people are the same regardless of sex. There are angry dudes here who will attack women simply because they have nothing better to do and want to hate women to feel superior. That or they are stupid and simply dont get things.
Hey, just asking is half the work done 👍 They all stem from women always knowing best (yet being proven to be a lot more in the middle of the intelligence distribution bell curve - men are more widely distributed, both in the very low and the very high range). Care, good intentions and not stereotyping can fix most things.
The general issue is that your ".. I’m a hard working woman, honest, dependable..." thing well, almost every chick in dating apps says so, and it appears that 70% of the time it's just blah blah so, sorry babe but some guys may have a ras-le-bol and express themselves (in a correct or incorrect way)
Of course guys do this too but I think such beliefs are somewhat more prevalent in women. Happily I'm married to a level-headed woman who does not entertain fuzzy-headed notions.
I don't like it when a girl plays around, I'd rather she be straight up about her intentions. And if I tell her I don't like her, she should just accept it and not play obsessive stalker on me so we can try to be friends.
Just be open. I’d rather have open intelligent conversations that screaming matches. I didn’t mean to generalize but I couldn’t find a good way to word the question. Apologies
I was halfway joking. But really, there's no way to answer a question about women without being general about it.
I'd say the biggest thing would be that women don't seem to care much about being a benefit to a man's life. Everything that women can do to add value to men's lives has been vilified as degrading or misogynistic, so women in general have refused to do them. And then they turn right around and wonder why men only want women for sex these days instead of seeking meaningful relationships and marriage. Let's face it: there's not much to look forward to in relationships as far as we're concerned. We're expected to provide, which is perfectly reasonable, but we're get nothing for it. We're supposed to protect, again reasonable, but we get nothing for it. We're expected to be entertaining, but get nothing for it. Relationships are a big deal for women because they get all the benefits of having a man around, but see lifting a finger for him as somehow degrading herself.
I’d really like your opinion on this: I’m that type of woman who is all about my man. I give 150% to my relationships yet I’m the one who couldn’t seem to find anyone interested. I’m a a cool girly, I’d like to think. Host lots of parties (classy not trashy). I have a lot of hobbies yet the girls I’ve noticed to get all e attention are girls one have nothing else besides looks to give.
I’m now in an amazing relationship so I’m not complaining at all, but I’m just confused as to why I couldn’t find ANYONE for years while I had a lot to give.
Several reasons. One is normalcy bias. A woman who is independent, classy, and has hobbies scares a lot of guys away because it's not "normal". They don't know what to expect, and doubt if they're good enough.
Another is that maybe you were looking for a man who behaves in a certain way. That makes you behave a certain way (the way that your type of man would respond to), which doesn't attract just any man. That's a good trait in my opinion.
Maybe you weren't playing the seduction game as well as you thought, or maybe you had no interest in it. Basic women play basic games. They put on a mask and cater to the instincts of the men they're after. The "damsel in distress" play is very common, which I don't think a woman like you would find tasteful because self-sufficient people pride themselves on taking care of their own business.
I could go on, but I think you get my point. Its almost definitely better that all of the lesser men steered clear and stayed out of the way. Sure, you could have had more fun, but would you really have been happy dealing with a succession of lackluster relationships?
Well, no wonder it took so long. Don't get me wrong, that's a smart way of weeding out the undesirables, but you had to know it would take a lot longer to find someone. But again; if you had gotten bogged down in bullshit, you never would have found the right man. So I think you did it the smart and successful way
Thanks, I appreciate it. The most worth while things take the longest to find many times. I just find the whole “chasing” game to be kinda dumb and shallow
I agree with you at some point, my friend. But sometimes standard should not even there, it's all about understanding one another. But this has to be from both end , if not then one end will be greenery and other end will be dry dessert
Well true, but that doesn’t change the fact that I am constantly rejected by women who have very little for offer in comparison to me. Women who in no way would I ever be convinced were better than me. Women who I ASSUME not many men would like. I on the other hand know that I have PLENTY to offer. I am disgusted by men who give into the behavior of women who chase men far superior to themselves. I could not for instance justify by any means dating someone who I find repulsive and yet repulsive women have been known to consider me not good enough either at times. This world is way to confusing and disappointing in the terms of love and companionship. Never settle and never give up. Also have realistic and reasonable standards people please.
I can't disagree with you anymore. as I'm sailing the same boat as you. But we can't change the fact that today all maximum wants well balanced, well settled husband material, but she forget that he or his parents has worked hard to be that way. So they should be willing to understand to work for / with him to be at stage what they want with the person they love. That person or a male should not be judged upon what he has and how much he has, or been valued in terms of how he spends on her, but In terms of how is he giving, and what is he giving, and realisation for what he is giving is his hard earned and to be valued.
My situation is different. I’m a good looking guy, I’m in great shape, good job, good car and house, great personality and humor, great life and family. I only seem to attract women who are all of these things in one. Ugly + fat+ stupid+ unsuccessful + uninteresting. Now tell me, how is that anywhere close to acceptable? Not only am I not attracted to these women at all, I’m in no ways similar. Yes you can compare genders so stfu if you think otherwise. I have muscles and am fit these girls are big. That ALONE should be the most obvious red flag. Then go onto how they also have NOTHING else going for them. No thanks, as a 100% straight man, I’d much rather date a skinny guy.
That problem can also be on both sides of gender. I had such a difficult time find anyone interested. I have a lot to offer: great career, family, lots of skills, really outgoing and friendly, I always give 150% into my relationships. I was angry for a long time because it seemed as though the women who got boyfriends were the ones who were pretty but literally nothing else to offer.
I’m not complaining, I’m now in a relationship, but this does happen to women too.
That’s where I am. I am very angry and it sucks. I wish I didn’t have this anger and I wish I didn’t blame women for this, but it’s hard not to. I do not understand it at all.
Yeah I don’t get it either. You might be more genuine and that can be a barrier for the more superficial people. I know how you feel. All my female roommates always had guys over and I was the 3rd wheel all the time.
Just be honest and forward w us. We can't read minds and if someone has been in a bad relationship, they may still be walking on eggshells, I kno I am...
Their victim mentality, inability to take responsibility and blame others for why their life isn't going the way they want despite them being passive and not taking action.
What you report is exactly what blokes experience. A hard working man, honest, dependable, yet is still called mean names for things he never did by the feminazis. The injustice of it is bound to cause a reaction.
I personally think that feminism was radicalized and this issue makes the same with man's. Everybody deserves respect and the same rights. And yes, there are quite a few fools bothering women. Don't take it personal, some dudes aren't serious.
You women are like damn mysteries lol, you speak in riddles and are hard to figure out, maybe be a little less complex so us guys don't keep messing up haha other than that women are perfect 👌
They never say sorry or take responsiblity. It's always someone else's fault. I never ever heard a woman say she was wrong, apologize and take responsiblity and fix what they did wrong
This attitude is probably the #1 reason i hear guys say they're giving up on women. Its okay to admit you're flawed and human and take some accountability. Preparing yourself for downvotes, yeah because deep down you know what you're saying is illogical and wrong. If men are gonna take responsibility for our own actions, then its only fair women should too.
Laughing Out Loud, haha I don't know, the only thing funny here is that you are unable to react to this statement. You don't know what to say but you want to have the last word so here you go, please say idk💅
So rape and murder crimes: which gender is 99% responsible for them. Men. All your issues have to do taming men. You want male rapes and homicides to go down? Talk to men.
Also, # of falsely accused men of rape is like a teaspoon in the ocean. It’s just hyperbole.
my friend false accusations is starting to become an ocean
Again you feel like women suffer more
I know that men are in power so they are the problem but I'm just saying men suffer too at the hands of these men
So shut up snowflake , in this century women don't have that bad
Even in the year where women didn't have the right to vote , they still had some amount of privilege ( at least in the European countries and America )
Believe it or not
The irony of life is that real rapist get easier time than falsely accused ones
@OddBeMe is right, the number of false accusations compared to actual rape is dramatically different.
Also, if you’re annoyed because there is sexism against you, then do something about it. You want your rights? Do something about it! No one ever got there rights by sitting behind a computer complaining about how awful the opposite gender is.
False accusations are starting to rise , they just aren't given importance in the media
Yes false accusations are lower than actual rape
But both of you can't deny the seriousness is on the same level as rape because
1. The mere accusation of rape is going to labeled into the man forever , he's life would be destroyed , and people would subconsciously think that he's still the rapist and the poor victim is punished
2. This is the main reason , it makes it harder for people to believe women , it's well known that some people think women are lying about rape or believes it's their fault , false accusations gives them a reason to validate not to believe women
Being labelled a rapist is the worst fate a man can have
Look at Brock turner yes he actually raped a woman , and yes the court unfairly favoured him but according to reports he's not his normal self , he's banned from entering the Olympics swimming contest and he never are food normally
Rapist like Harvey Weinstein may not care but good men do
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Honestly, no two people are the same regardless of sex. There are angry dudes here who will attack women simply because they have nothing better to do and want to hate women to feel superior. That or they are stupid and simply dont get things.
Dont take it personally.
Hey, just asking is half the work done 👍
They all stem from women always knowing best (yet being proven to be a lot more in the middle of the intelligence distribution bell curve - men are more widely distributed, both in the very low and the very high range).
Care, good intentions and not stereotyping can fix most things.
You already know I am sure.
A lot of guys don't like being forced to always initiate.
If you initiate by asking someone out, supposably you are supposed to pay while women conveniently go out of their way to not initiate.
Guys do not like height requirements, or being expected to have a pornstar dick.
#metoo is a witchhunt.
Etc. Basically any double standard or the feminist, sjw crap.
Most women I have met in real life have been fine though.
The general issue is that your ".. I’m a hard working woman, honest, dependable..." thing well, almost every chick in dating apps says so, and it appears that 70% of the time it's just blah blah so, sorry babe but some guys may have a ras-le-bol and express themselves (in a correct or incorrect way)
You believe in total bullshit. Religion, magic diets, crystals, psychics, homeopathy, whatever sounds good, you believe it.
Of course guys do this too but I think such beliefs are somewhat more prevalent in women. Happily I'm married to a level-headed woman who does not entertain fuzzy-headed notions.
I don't like it when a girl plays around, I'd rather she be straight up about her intentions. And if I tell her I don't like her, she should just accept it and not play obsessive stalker on me so we can try to be friends.
How do you answer this question, which is in itself a generalization on both ends, without generalizing?
You answer this simply by reading the question and don't bother about womens feelings because they could not care less about yours
Just be open. I’d rather have open intelligent conversations that screaming matches. I didn’t mean to generalize but I couldn’t find a good way to word the question. Apologies
I was halfway joking. But really, there's no way to answer a question about women without being general about it.
I'd say the biggest thing would be that women don't seem to care much about being a benefit to a man's life. Everything that women can do to add value to men's lives has been vilified as degrading or misogynistic, so women in general have refused to do them. And then they turn right around and wonder why men only want women for sex these days instead of seeking meaningful relationships and marriage. Let's face it: there's not much to look forward to in relationships as far as we're concerned. We're expected to provide, which is perfectly reasonable, but we're get nothing for it. We're supposed to protect, again reasonable, but we get nothing for it. We're expected to be entertaining, but get nothing for it. Relationships are a big deal for women because they get all the benefits of having a man around, but see lifting a finger for him as somehow degrading herself.
I’d really like your opinion on this: I’m that type of woman who is all about my man. I give 150% to my relationships yet I’m the one who couldn’t seem to find anyone interested. I’m a a cool girly, I’d like to think. Host lots of parties (classy not trashy). I have a lot of hobbies yet the girls I’ve noticed to get all e attention are girls one have nothing else besides looks to give.
I’m now in an amazing relationship so I’m not complaining at all, but I’m just confused as to why I couldn’t find ANYONE for years while I had a lot to give.
Why do you think that is?
Because you are not shallow, not easy and aware of social dynamics. Most interesting female i have met here and you will know
Several reasons. One is normalcy bias. A woman who is independent, classy, and has hobbies scares a lot of guys away because it's not "normal". They don't know what to expect, and doubt if they're good enough.
Another is that maybe you were looking for a man who behaves in a certain way. That makes you behave a certain way (the way that your type of man would respond to), which doesn't attract just any man. That's a good trait in my opinion.
Maybe you weren't playing the seduction game as well as you thought, or maybe you had no interest in it. Basic women play basic games. They put on a mask and cater to the instincts of the men they're after. The "damsel in distress" play is very common, which I don't think a woman like you would find tasteful because self-sufficient people pride themselves on taking care of their own business.
I could go on, but I think you get my point. Its almost definitely better that all of the lesser men steered clear and stayed out of the way. Sure, you could have had more fun, but would you really have been happy dealing with a succession of lackluster relationships?
Thanks for the input. I think it’s the third. I don’t flirt. I’d rather be friends first and get to know someone genuinely
Well, no wonder it took so long. Don't get me wrong, that's a smart way of weeding out the undesirables, but you had to know it would take a lot longer to find someone. But again; if you had gotten bogged down in bullshit, you never would have found the right man. So I think you did it the smart and successful way
Thanks, I appreciate it. The most worth while things take the longest to find many times. I just find the whole “chasing” game to be kinda dumb and shallow
Having higher standards for mating/dating partners, I cannot stand this. I want someone of equal standard or close. So difficult!
I agree with you at some point, my friend. But sometimes standard should not even there, it's all about understanding one another. But this has to be from both end , if not then one end will be greenery and other end will be dry dessert
Well true, but that doesn’t change the fact that I am constantly rejected by women who have very little for offer in comparison to me. Women who in no way would I ever be convinced were better than me. Women who I ASSUME not many men would like. I on the other hand know that I have PLENTY to offer. I am disgusted by men who give into the behavior of women who chase men far superior to themselves. I could not for instance justify by any means dating someone who I find repulsive and yet repulsive women have been known to consider me not good enough either at times. This world is way to confusing and disappointing in the terms of love and companionship. Never settle and never give up. Also have realistic and reasonable standards people please.
I can't disagree with you anymore. as I'm sailing the same boat as you. But we can't change the fact that today all maximum wants well balanced, well settled husband material, but she forget that he or his parents has worked hard to be that way. So they should be willing to understand to work for / with him to be at stage what they want with the person they love. That person or a male should not be judged upon what he has and how much he has, or been valued in terms of how he spends on her, but
In terms of how is he giving, and what is he giving, and realisation for what he is giving is his hard earned and to be valued.
My situation is different. I’m a good looking guy, I’m in great shape, good job, good car and house, great personality and humor, great life and family. I only seem to attract women who are all of these things in one. Ugly + fat+ stupid+ unsuccessful + uninteresting. Now tell me, how is that anywhere close to acceptable? Not only am I not attracted to these women at all, I’m in no ways similar. Yes you can compare genders so stfu if you think otherwise. I have muscles and am fit these girls are big. That ALONE should be the most obvious red flag. Then go onto how they also have NOTHING else going for them. No thanks, as a 100% straight man, I’d much rather date a skinny guy.
That problem can also be on both sides of gender. I had such a difficult time find anyone interested. I have a lot to offer: great career, family, lots of skills, really outgoing and friendly, I always give 150% into my relationships. I was angry for a long time because it seemed as though the women who got boyfriends were the ones who were pretty but literally nothing else to offer.
I’m not complaining, I’m now in a relationship, but this does happen to women too.
That’s where I am. I am very angry and it sucks. I wish I didn’t have this anger and I wish I didn’t blame women for this, but it’s hard not to. I do not understand it at all.
Yeah I don’t get it either. You might be more genuine and that can be a barrier for the more superficial people. I know how you feel. All my female roommates always had guys over and I was the 3rd wheel all the time.
Well... You shouldn't take any of what is typed here personally unless it is directed towards you.
Only issue I really have with women is their lack of forwardness. Don't assume we can possibly know what you're thinking or wanting from us.
Fair point. But if women tell men what they want and they’ll be seen as a whore or a bitch.
Just be honest and forward w us. We can't read minds and if someone has been in a bad relationship, they may still be walking on eggshells, I kno I am...
Stop using sexual activity as a reward.
You are so right. to many women do that or they control it when you get any.
Their victim mentality, inability to take responsibility and blame others for why their life isn't going the way they want despite them being passive and not taking action.
What you report is exactly what blokes experience. A hard working man, honest, dependable, yet is still called mean names for things he never did by the feminazis. The injustice of it is bound to cause a reaction.
I personally think that feminism was radicalized and this issue makes the same with man's. Everybody deserves respect and the same rights. And yes, there are quite a few fools bothering women. Don't take it personal, some dudes aren't serious.
Love of cruilty and petty personality... A stop starting drama to hurt someone because you enjoy the cruilty and B just stop being petty
Be honest. Be humble. Be communicative. Be open. Be sympathetic.
Don't play games. Don't be ultra-passive. Don't have ungodly expectations.
You women are like damn mysteries lol, you speak in riddles and are hard to figure out, maybe be a little less complex so us guys don't keep messing up haha other than that women are perfect 👌
They never say sorry or take responsiblity. It's always someone else's fault. I never ever heard a woman say she was wrong, apologize and take responsiblity and fix what they did wrong
We are amazing. They are the ones with the problem.
/Preparing myself for the downvotes
What do you mean guys are the problem and girls aren't please explain I wanna know to
Debatable opinion...
This attitude is probably the #1 reason i hear guys say they're giving up on women. Its okay to admit you're flawed and human and take some accountability. Preparing yourself for downvotes, yeah because deep down you know what you're saying is illogical and wrong. If men are gonna take responsibility for our own actions, then its only fair women should too.
And fwiw i ain't here to downvote you, I'd rather have an actual discourse
The Nazis thought they were pretty cool too. Doesn't make it true
Amazingly narcissistic and entitled, all you females here in the comment section show the problem to her better than any men does. thanks
LOL!
Laughing Out Loud, haha I don't know, the only thing funny here is that you are unable to react to this statement. You don't know what to say but you want to have the last word so here you go, please say idk💅
Lmao this thread
I love it.
Talk about entitlement
Amazingly narcissistic and stupid. I'm happy for you you prepared
Many women believe that just cuz their a woman they can get away with anything
Also they only want us to open our eyes to male privilege but refuses to accept that their are female privilege too
What? What’s the percentage of rapes being prosecuted, let alone convicted?
@OddBeMe when your saying percentage of rapes , are you also including male rapes?
Also tell me the no of homeless males compared to women?
Tell me the no of female victims due to homicide compared to men
Tell me the no of times women have falsely accused men just to get away with something
Tell me how many divorce cases favour men over women
Tell me how many women got the same sentences as men for the same crime
Tell me how many women received sympathy for being rapes compared to men
So rape and murder crimes: which gender is 99% responsible for them. Men. All your issues have to do taming men. You want male rapes and homicides to go down? Talk to men.
Also, # of falsely accused men of rape is like a teaspoon in the ocean. It’s just hyperbole.
@OddBeMe
Took you so long to respond
my friend false accusations is starting to become an ocean
Again you feel like women suffer more
I know that men are in power so they are the problem but I'm just saying men suffer too at the hands of these men
So shut up snowflake , in this century women don't have that bad
Even in the year where women didn't have the right to vote , they still had some amount of privilege ( at least in the European countries and America )
Believe it or not
The irony of life is that real rapist get easier time than falsely accused ones
Watch the show "deadly women " then see how oppressed they are
I’m not saying men don’t suffer. But guys like u are so annoyed by women complaining about actual issues. Can’t we solve both sides?
@OddBeMe I'm annoyed about women complaining about small things such as manspreading
But otherwise I have no problem about women complaining about rape and sexual violence
I'm also aware of my privileges as a male and get annoyed by the incels complaining
And yes we should solve both problems
@OddBeMe is right, the number of false accusations compared to actual rape is dramatically different.
Also, if you’re annoyed because there is sexism against you, then do something about it. You want your rights? Do something about it! No one ever got there rights by sitting behind a computer complaining about how awful the opposite gender is.
I never said that women were awful
I said that women do have some privileges , that they need to be aware of
Just like how men need to be aware of their privileges
False accusations are starting to rise , they just aren't given importance in the media
Yes false accusations are lower than actual rape
But both of you can't deny the seriousness is on the same level as rape because
1. The mere accusation of rape is going to labeled into the man forever , he's life would be destroyed , and people would subconsciously think that he's still the rapist and the poor victim is punished
2. This is the main reason , it makes it harder for people to believe women , it's well known that some people think women are lying about rape or believes it's their fault , false accusations gives them a reason to validate not to believe women
Being labelled a rapist is the worst fate a man can have
Look at Brock turner yes he actually raped a woman , and yes the court unfairly favoured him but according to reports he's not his normal self , he's banned from entering the Olympics swimming contest and he never are food normally
Rapist like Harvey Weinstein may not care but good men do
again I NEVER SAID WOMEN ARE AWFUL
Also don't you notice
Real rapist get probation
Falsely accused men get actual jail time
Men’s rights activists like you would have better results by not attacking women. Admit you have a sexist view of feminism.
@OddBeMe
How the hell was I attacking?
I just merely stated some problems with women
I'm not one of those incels who agrees on raping or thinks that they owe their vagina to me because I'm a man
If you think your being a feminist , your not
Real feminist sees both sides of the problem and tries to we establish Equality
Feminist like you try to demonise men who just gave an opinion
Besides I even agreed that problems on both sides needs to be solved
I state problems with Trumpists. But never this much. You obvi have problems with women.
@r_cakes91 Doesn’t he seem to hate women?
@OddBeMe
You really didn't read what I just wrote didn't you
Oh no I did. You are dead set on blaming some ultra radical feminism that doesn’t exist.
@OddBeMe 😑 stating that some women think they can get away with anything because their a woman
Like how men like to think women owe them sex
Stating that women have some privileges just like how men have some privileges
Is radical feminism to you?
Whatever boomer
Work on your grammar and then we can talk.
@OddBeMe get yourself educated about issues of women and men
Then we can really talk
I'm not used to texting