I’ve seen a lot of angry dudes on here. I’ve taken it personally at times simply because I’m a hard working woman, honest, dependable, yet I’m still called mean names for things I never did.
I know I ask these questions a lot but that is the peacemaker in me wants to resolve issues.
Also, anyone who is rude, generalizing, or in other words, being a dick will be deleted. I just want to hear your voices in a professional way.
Thanks!
Guys, what are your biggest problems with us women and how can we fix them?
I'm happy finally some Women asks why guys are beeing angry. I will try to disect this question for you because it has different aspects to it.. *incels: they don't get sex or female attention because of their looks and social awkwardness. They talk to eachother online and they Exchange information regarding female nature And are aware of the 80/20 rule. So they basically are angry at all women. They see how entitled the generation of women these days are and even ugly girls get sex. They are angry that guys who treat them like shit are getting all the girls *average looking guys- females who are in their league don't notice them because on dating apps guys who are good looking use them for sex so the womens percieved market place value goes up. She thinks she is a 8 while she is actually a 5.. social media makes women addicted to validation and attention. Her inbox floods with thirsty guys so she has trouble committing to one. When she commits to one average guy she is so emotionally damaged by "chads" pumping and dumping her that she needs validation from other men to get her dopamine rush. With every sexual partner a women has her ability to pairbond decreases so al also the chance on a happy relationships. She is always looking for the bigger better deal (hypergamy) men are noticing this behaviour and talking about it online, seeing it with their own eyes and don't understand women choosing bad boy s over them, men with dark triade traits.. *Good looking guys Noticing that women their scale of looks getting attention all day, are aware of their looks and can't quit their narcissistic behaviour. Noticing that love is dangerous because when you start to love a women she feels it and try to change the person to a Shell of himself because she thinks she wants that. She tries to take his Alpha traits away and basically domesticate them. When this worked out she is no longrr attracted to him and other bad boys in her inbox are suddenly more interesting. Her double digits make her unhappier in the long run. The only way is to make a Good looking guy give up his options is make him love you and women abuse this. I have lots more but i hope you appreciate this effort because a clearer answer than this you won't get
I really appreciate the insight. Guys really do have a lot more pressure on them than women do. I think part of it is a social norm thing. I know a lot of girls who were taught that they were little princesses when they should have been taught to change their oil and do their taxes. Hopefully the next generation...
You have the right to know. I hope other women read this and understand where the anger is coming from. They won't change because 95% does not take responsibility for their actions (really). You have a term AWALT all women are like that. Maybe you belong to that other 5% or less and you don't understand general female behaviour. Then a guy is Lucky to have you but i go my own way because my dating/ relations all confirmed this information.
I’d only say I’m in the 5% because I’ve seen women talk about how they are proud to use men and I’m like “wtf, you’re an asshole.” There is other behavior that leaves me speechless too.
I always try to walk in the other persons shoes... come to find out most people only think of themselves! Its all in where someone puts their priorities in wealthy shit that deteriorates or in people and the sad conclusion is people use others to make their life better when they stop benefiting them they throw them away and make them look like the bad person and find another innocent victim
My biggest problem with women is that they buy into the bullshit so hard. There's a reason 85% of consumer purchases are driven by women, the market as a whole is driven by women, this entire disgusting over consuming world polluting society of greed is largely driven by women, despite popular opinion. Men make the money women spend it, by and large, not speaking to individuals (I've seen you around and you seem like you're one of the smart ones).
They are, simply put, more susceptible to mind control. Herd-think. Women tend to share similar opinions but men tend to disagree vehemently (with each other, not with women, not if they want to get laid, and that's my biggest peeve with men, is that they enable women to continue becoming shittier and shittier people). I'm not on any gender's side at this point. A large part of me despises humanity... I'm feeling pretty good right now cause I'm high af, but at the end of the day, we are all just a bunch of stupid fucking cattle eating up whatever bullshit propaganda is thrown at us. We live in an era of post scarcity, with the technology to enable levels of efficiency that wouldn't necessitate longer than a 3 hour work week, yeah WEEK, but we are just dumb fucking slaves who like doing what we're told so long as we can stay in the pen. Yeah I'm back to hating everyone, almost forgot the truth for a second there, phew. Okay, not everyone, there is one big differentiator between these slaves, and it transcends gender:
You are either willing to incorporate new knowledge, and change your opinion / beliefs based on new evidence, or you are not. Really, if a woman wants to be on the right side of the force that is ME, she can be stubborn, I respect that, but somewhere in there, she's gotta be willing to question EVERYTHING, down to the most deep rooted shit. What am I? What is life? Is it right that the fruit of my labor gets made into a bomb and dropped from a drone on a bunch of brown people overseas? Is it right that I am complicit in the evil that runs the world?
@OddBeMe What particular point of mine requires scientific proof? I think you’re an idiot who throws the word science around when you’re actually just an authority trusting, religion believing idiot.
@OddBeMe Okay, I'm happy to show you scientific proof, but could you just do one thing for me first? Please point out the specific sentence where I specified that women only, not men, are stupid. I outlined many specifics of average female mentality in relation to herd think, mind control, yes, women are on average more social than men, much more rare to see a lone wolf woman than the very common lone wolf man. Man ostracized from tribe can still survive, for women, ostracization means certain death, so there is evolutionary merit to this claim, which is undisputed in the scientific community. As for women being more susceptible to marketing, while that is related to my aforementioned point, it is not necessarily a direct consequence of it, and therefore is not a scientific matter; it's more of a social study, something you would use polling and statistics to calculate.
You're such a fucking retard I don't know why I bother trying to explain anything to you, honestly, just fuck off, calling me an incel because of your own misinterpretation of my argument, EAT SHIT
Your rant about “disgusting over considering greed” and “women being susceptible to herd think”. Pretty clear what you meant. And you haven’t denied it.
@OddBeMe nothing is clear to you you fucking ingrate dont pretend you can read between the lines when it comes to my writing, you aren’t on that level. Pretty clear to me that your a beta woman appeasing cuck that is incapable of acknowledging the differences between the sexes and knows nothing of sex specific propaganda and why certain kinds of advertisements are directed at women and men’s minds are controlled in different ways (indirectly through women, like yours is right now)
You won’t ever appeal to the men on here with disdain for women, because as long as the woman is at fault, they never have to acknowledge their own shortcomings.
However, from a level-headed woman myself, women could most benefit from knocking off the self-entitled attitude that they are owed dinners and such for free simply due to their gender, they could do without playing games with the men they like (i. e. making them jealous, not texting back, acting disinterested), could take a little more initiate in establishing a relationship, and not be so goddamn hard on themselves for not looking like Instagram models or whatever.
The only reason why things have gotten to this level is because WOMEN have this attitude that nothing is EVER their fault. Their is no accountability and thus they will never ever change (in general, obviously this is not all women). That's why men are so angry, women claim to want equality but demand that men still be traditional while demanding also that women should not have to be equal. It pushes the responsibilities of the traditional relationship on the man AND the responsibilities of the non traditional relationship onto the man while giving the women only the benefits of both. This punishes men no matter what they do and its what is driving men insane. Women refusing to own up to their part in this. No one has a problem pointing to men and telling them they screwed up, in fact they are overly eager, but no one is calling out women least of all women, this is the issue and until women are willing to own up to the problems they cause you will continue to have men who are angry at women (even in your criticism their is very little in the way of true criticism (and your last line is yet another phrase to "empower" women that they shouldn't strive to look so attractive (fine fair enough, now where is the criticism that women demand that from men?).
@dbr1987 Sadly it seems that way but it does appear that the next generation is starting to see how disfunctional things are and moving away from that (doesn't really help our generation though).
No one has a problem or should... everyone’s different... just be who you are... if it’s not hurting anyone then so be it... you are unique... and you said you’re hardworking and honest.. if that’s the case then don’t change a thing... the right man will chase after you... focus on you for now.
But here's the issue, why should any man chase after a woman. This is one of the problems that is being raised, it has to be a man chasing after a woman he likes, can't it be that if women want to be treated as an equal they start to behave as equals, what stops a woman asking a man apart from being rejected, well sadly that hurts of course but that's equality.
Dude I’m a 15 year old boy... and I didn’t mean to be one sided... everyone will chase after what they love... I mean it in that sense... not that every man must chase... as a male I do agree with you on a level... it does feel nice to be chased after by a woman.
It's not that it feels nice as you'll understand as you age but it's a no win scenario where if a man does chase he opens himself to being labelled a harasser, creep or predator or anything anybody wants to throw at him, if he doesn't he's a pussy or weak. The thing is though if you treat women as equals which is what they claim to expect then why is they still expect that they should have the right to reject or accept without themselves having to put in the effort and experience rejection themselves.
Dude stay strong... don’t study this... I may be young , but I’m quite wise... just focus on you... work on yourself and if people think you’re less of a man for not chasing then hell yes.. so be it... be glad to not be apart of the incrowd. Society will always judge and speak on what they don’t understand to “try” to be on top , but we have to be different and not care their opinion.
What's the point of having a female sock puppet account as a dude if you're just gonna spill the beans like that the moment somebody questions anything you say?
Thanks to all the women I'm still virgin until now.
I have posted before and I mentioned that I'm a good looking guy and not ugly nor money is a problem.
I'm looking for true love which seems that it has completely disappeared nowadays.
Love is love. words I have heard many times. Unfortunately, the people who use it know that it will help them in their own business.
Life is crazy. Madness is absolutely. People love to lie on themselves. Love became a lie for the success of people's own business.
Celebrities use love word so much. Do they ever know what love means. Oh. Yes, love is money. Money over everything is their concept.
Unfortunately, nowadays all women and I mean all of them care for a one holy thing. Which is MONEY...
Men think that they are smart. Nope, they are not but women are, after all eve was the main reason that made adam kicked out of heaven.
Women want money. Men want love. Women played it well and pressed on the men weakest point ever.
Do women never ask herself why men always seeking to talk with women than the rarely cases women do and it is a money case most of the time.
Don't they ever ask themselves why men ready to spend his money on them to just hangout with them.
Don't ever they ask why men looking for only their women pleasure in bed than looking for their own pleasure.
Goddammit, we hear the gentlemen word everywhere but why we never heard something like the gentlewomen. Why men have to be gentle while the women not.
I don't want to say that all men are angels. There is a small rotten percentage amount among them. But for the rest, they seek for love. Men think that being leaders and badass will bring the women and the love to them. Men have nearly everything except for the gentle women touch which is very important to them.
I don't seek a revolution against the women but I seek an evolution on how men have to work their minds and how to think.
I'm afraid to say that women was supposed to never have the opportunities they got nowadays. They was supposed to be kept in their houses and never have the liberty they have now. God's prophets and god's religions was right about women and was right that there must have been an eye kept on them on everything they doing.
Eve was the snake best friend in heaven and was teached by the snake. Now, the snake have much to learn from the woman.
Women became the most unpredictable creature in the whole world. Even the dangerous animals are more predictable than the women. They became more smarter and more dangerous than any other creatures.
Despite all that, there is one thing that keep them in control which is money, as long you gave them money they will pleasure you and give you what you want and for the right price they will pass over all their fixed manners to get what they want.
I isolate many of older women from all that speech. My speech is only for the youthful women those days. The women that were born by concept of liberty and freedom I think.
I'm going to have to follow you on gag because your asking some awesome questions.
Onto my opinion then, I don't actually have an issue with women, we've been down this road before so this will be more in context with what I was saying before..
The problem isn't the behaviour of women, it's the systems that enable behaviour, let's look at a few things, women telling other women that they have to work or they are wrong for choosing husband and family over working. I might be wrong but isn't feminism about choice.
Other issues include systemic behaviour issues, positive discrimination is one, it's impossible to say we are equal when one gender is chosen over another purely for their gender.
Laws that claim to be equal but a woman is given a third of the punishment for a crime that a man is sentenced for when the circumstances are exactly the same, so you mentioned before about the double standards and that was something I agreed with.
Let's look at relationships as that's an easy issue to pull apart, it seems that women want a man to be vulnerable but lose respect for him because of that vulnerability, of course this is general but it's a no win situation. Men are cheap if they don't pay and bastard oppressors if they do, if they insist then where's the argument because it seems that most women still expect it and will argue about the pay gap as justification.
It seems to many men that equal rights is the standards except for equal responsibilities, the current schism over ww3 is an example
Learn to let us men be gentlemen. Some of us are doing it to get into your knickers we do because thats how were brought up to be.
Learn that men have feelings too! Try not to laugh or use our emotions against us.
Learn that men aren't as stupid as you think so you going off, cheating on us with some brain dead dickhead behind our backs & thinking we will never know is just stupid!
Learn that every single row or argument does not mean the end of a relationship.
Learn that NOT ALL MEN SHOULD ACCEPT YOUR POSITION AS BEING A SINGLE MOTHER! We shouldn't have to make re-arrangements, pander to your needs, get involved in your ex's drama, be a wet nurse or provide financial support for someone else's child!
LEARN that we allowed to date WHOEVER/WHATEVER LIFE STAGE & WHENEVER we want!
Finally after a somewhat listed and rather annoyed rant.
TRY & GIVE US MEN A CHANCE! Try coming off your ego cloud & let someone be nice to you.
It's TOO late for me as i have given up looking for someone now & i want to die alone! But don't put others off as they will turn out like me! I don't want that & neither (i am sure) does anyone else.
Stop seeing men as things, stop claiming to be victims when your not, stop claiming that men are evil and oppressing you, stop exploiting men (by demanding they have traditional responsibilities and non traditional responsibilities while you have no responsibilities at all (that is the modern relationship by the way (he has to be traditional but also treat you like an equal but only when its convient for you while also telling you how its so much harder to be you then him even as he pays for everything has to take care of you, take care of house work because "equality" etc. and you get praised for doing the same thing only he some how is always considered lazy). Stop acting as if we are the only people capable of wrong doing (domestic violence is actually fare more likely to be perpetrated by women against men not the other way around (same with emotional abuse). Rape is just as likely to be a woman raping a man as the other way around).
Empathize with men (women seem hard wired not to but it would be nice for a woman to actually think of us for once, maybe see us as human beings (because lets be honest if you look on this site, if a man complains about dating problems he is a piece of shit according to women. If he is nice and doesn't understand why no woman seems to want to love him (the thing all people want) he is a piece of shit and selfish. If he decides screw it and only goes after sex he is a womanizer and a piece of shit. No matter what happens he is viewed as a piece of shit in women's eyes).
Stop dehumanizing men stop mistreating them, stop acting like victims when you have more rights then any one else, stop blaming men for every little thing, stop claiming we have privilege when we don't, stop painting us as the enemy every fucking chance you get, make yourself accountable etc.
Not all, but different types of girls doing this has annoyed me in the past.
1. Playing games whether it's intentional or not. If you don't know what you want, then don't flirt. Only do it if you're for sure thinking you're ready to date.
2. It's okay to initiate a decent amount and be the one that asks the other person on the date the first time or any of that sort.
3. Be open and communicate
4. Not really a serious one, but whenever a girl complains about herself it will annoy the guy to the highest degree because we see you very differently. > Girls need to stop judging each other because that's really who's opinion matters at the end of the day to a lot of girls. You can complain about your insecurities, but it will drive your guy up a wall.
5. It's okay to have interests that aren't girly and could be nerdy or boyish. I've seen girls act dumb on purpose and it annoys me because they have the intelligence to know more or not pretend being dumb.
6. Compliment guys more often that you're seeing. You will see his mood sky rocket like you've never seen before. It doesn't matter whether you're attractive or not girls rarely compliment guys.
It's a difficult thing to pinpoint. I think a lot of it has to do with the way both genders are socialized in the tradition sense, when combined with the agendas of modern day feminist thought. When a woman comes to believe in both, it kind of creates this notion of having her cake and eating too.
It's the notion of a woman who wants all the niceties of traditional chivalrous society AND modern day social equality too, but while decrying the downsides to both of those as well. I think a lot of men resent that because it seems to put them in a place where there's so much that seems to be in her favor.
Such a woman might expect to be fully courted by a man in the tradition sense, to be "treated her like a lady" when it's convenient, but then "treated like an equal" when it comes to decision making or other roles in a relationship, for example.
I think a lot of men would rather see women either embrace gender equality in the truest sense, or accept traditional gender inequalities, but it seems that a lot of women don't want to fully accept either one.
That's just one theory for why a lot of young men these days seem to be so frustrated and confused with women.
Martydom behavior and playing the victim when their expectations are not met. Hating men in general (modern feminist statements), including calling all men rapists, or saying they need to die.
Trying to "tame" us, or mold us into what they want, while claiming to be free spirits. This leads into...
Hypocrisy. Expecting old social norms favoring them (men paying for dates) while also expecting certain norms to change (ranging from makeup and clothing choices to employment).
Getting away with rape. Straight up, I find women to be exceptionally lascivious, yet they perpetuate the stereotype that men only want sex, pulling out the rape culture statement, all while having their way by drugging men, molesting little boys, and the public turning a blind eye. This also ties into hypocrisy.
Lack of straightforward communication. Body language can be lovely, but it's vague, and very individual. Without intimately knowing another person, reading body language can be contradictory to verbal.
That leads into manipulation of men, either by gaslighting, emotional, physical social, or legal methods. In particular, I can't stand women who think they can hit men with impunity. It's socially acceptable, but spin the genders, and a man hitting a woman is suddently bedfellows with mass genocide. More hypocrisy.
My biggest problem with women over the years is I'm either invisible or they're attracted to me. And there is no in between. It's strange. I've heard that guys and girls can't ever just be friends but I never really believed it. It does seem that way a lot though, at least from what I've experienced.
I think the only woman I'd consider my friend personally-- and not a friend of my wife's who talks to me when I'm with her-- is the secretary at work who always says hi and asks how my day is, and by now we know each other's family through casual conversation over the years. But she has also always joked about being attracted to me. I don't know if she actually is, I don't think it matters because she knows I'm married now, but it does make me wonder sometimes if she's actually wanting to just be my friend.
I've had that happen a couple times. Some girl/ woman (depending on my age at the time) actually actively engages me in conversation, not just to ask me to do them a favor, and then a few weeks later they try to make it romantic. If I don't want to after a couple tries they suddenly start being friends with some other guy, and I'm not in their social circle anymore at all. If I try to continue the friendship I'm stonewalled.
That confused me for a long time until one of my brothers mentioned that he used to do sonething similar with girls in highschool, conquests I think, but he actually got a lot of them to date him. Maybe it was something else that the girls were doing though. I don't know. I don't think they were ever interested in being just friends though.
I'd just like if the "friendzone" was real. That would be nice. I like being friends with other men but I'd like to be able to engage with women in a friendly way too, without them just ignoring me or flirting. The only people who don't do that are much older ladies or little kids. And I have a problem with older ladies and look suspicious around kids.
Firstly the fact you're even asking this is itself an answer to your question. I'm sorry you've been attacked for other women's behaviour. That's not fair.
I think the problems start when women just dismiss men's issues, and make excuses for bad female behaviour-- either their own or other women's.
It also seems that feminist type women rail on about "male privilege" yet ignore the many female privileges or deny their existence altogether.
I think a lot of modern men's resentment of women stems from the uncomfortable realities of hypergamy, and how many women are seemingly never contented with the love of a good man, always wanting an "upgrade", telling her boyfriend sweet little lues while "shopping around" on the sly. Plenty of men cheat and lie too of course. But women lie and cheat in a uniquely "female" way that men don't. And the confrontation of such facts (or at least, the cognizance thereof) makes some men just say "fuck it, i give up".
I'm not sure what the solution is, but it has to start with more women like yourself being more vocal in calling out these women's behaviour for what it is. The concept of "female solidarity" is imho a smokescreen for covering up the tracks of deceitful, manipulative women, under the guise of "supporting each other against the patriarchy".
Society generally holds women to a low standard-- of you're young and attractive, or have kids, or make an accusation against a man, you're just assumed to be blameless and harmless. This disney like notion of women as pure angels who can do no wrong literally is tearing apart families, relationships, and has a direct link to the increase in male suicide.
For some reason, when I was talking a lot to this girl and others girls thought I was into her and those others were constantly telling me to ask her out. Well, I wasn’t. She is just cool so I enjoy talking to her. So that’s kinda annoying that they assume that if I talk to someone a lot I must like them.
Not that that has fixed a slightly bigger issue. I tend to not really talk about relationships or people I’m attracted to or whatever with any other human being. So that creates the issue of especially these girls thinking I’m gay (same as before and I’m not), telling me to find a guy when going out. So that’s annoying too. I suppose to them I must talk about relationships and dating women frequently, otherwise I must be gay.
But kind off the overarching thing is that those like to stick their nose into things that are none of their business. I’m sure they are not dicks in terms of personality, but it is annoying.
On an unrelated note, this girl I know likes to blurb out things like, ‘*my name* is actually the ugliest’ or “*my name*, how can you ever get a relationship looking like that?”. I don’t really see the point of comments like that
You complain about these men but you also hate... as for the question: -Men are tired of so much hate and little appreciation for their gender. Most women are treated like princesses and men like garbage. Men cantstability complain anything about women even if women complain too.
-Men would like some of the advantage that women have: thousands of matches in Tinder easily, with just a selfie, having many options to be approach, easy sex, sexual power, not only free but posibility of earn money or power, it is not even necessary meet in person, look for findom. Leaving the sex industry, having suitors, even if you don't want anything with them, just to feel desired.
-Men are tired of not being able to have high standards like wanting an attractive and caring girl but many women want a man taller than them, with confidence, college degree, good job, penis size, sexual performance (not premature ej) ... Men are tired of double standards. It is okay to be superficial but men are superficial with face and body and if the girl is nice, not height, job, ambition (there are millionaires and celebrities who have dated girls without much ambition, the girlfriend of Freddie Mercury, probably also the other panthers of the other members of Queen), even women's insecurities can be fixed with makeup, height with heels, breasts with bras or dresses, little butt? sexy panties or thong, manicure, pedicure... a woman is shy, without much ambition, working in minimum wage? Who cares? Its not a big deal in dates for her.
If women want to believe goddesses, good for them, men should also feel gods, and have hundreds of matches, women who cheer for them, not so much loneliness, that you have nothing is hard, a woman can have an "active" or "passive role ". I do not know if it is so difficult to have women who want you but among the cultural advantages and dating apps, men always so negative on the Internet and women giving very contradictory opinions
Thinking that the dating world should change in order to suit them. Such as how the nature of human attraction-- people not thinking that fat is attractive, for example-- is something that females typically rail against even though it's naturally what everyone wants. Essentially, blaming the world at large, including most men and lots of women, for their own faults, rather than deciding to actually change themselves for the better. It's always someone else's fault, rather than their own.
When it comes to dating/sexuality/relationships, I notice this behavior, especially online, FAR more from females than males. Generally speaking, if we are not getting attention or girls into us, we ask "why" and then we attempt to actually do something about it. For the most part, I don't see that same message being shared amongst girls with the world at large, and if it IS being shared, I'm sure unclear of where it's being shared because I don't see it or hear it.
Times are changed. Today, boys are not what they used to be. The same thing is with girls. Boys are more pathetic, scared of women, especially pretty ones. Then, from fear, comes disrespect, humiliating and not such good names for the girls. Opposite, girls are cold and hard to get. The system of values is changed. Boys are thinking that is all in the money, some of the girls are agreeing and that is an unclear situation for the men and women who are not prioritizing money. The last ones staying alone, and don't know what to do. You can see very often question how to make a step, what to say and much more, like where to look for an opposite-sex partner. I think we can fix all with simple dialogue, but who got the guts? I don't know. Maybe is solution is going more out, but not on the places where you can't find someone who it's intellectually for you, or financially. That places should be separated from each other and there will be good, I think.
Women (generally) are naturally easily influenced by the words and actions of others, and rarely think about what is the best thing for them AND proceed to act solely on their own judgement. I don't think this in and of itself is a bad thing, nor do I think it should be altered. The problem comes from who women take their cues from. In particular, women who prioritize advice from the news, feminism, their friends, and fuck boys end up being unpleasant and undesirable to me, and cause me a lot of grief in my daily life be it directly or indirectly. I'd like it much more if women took their suggestions from people who actively earn credibility, and ignore the advice of those who consistently lie and make bad decisions. I find the minority of women who already do this to be pleasant and admirable.
By my estimation it's a biological thing, not a knowledge thing. It's not that they don't know how, it's that they're not properly mentally equipped for it.
I think we need that too, but I think a society that focuses on encouraging women to make good decisions instead of just doing whatever they want and having rights for shit they don't need would be a better solution to the issue I'm pointing out. We should be raising respectable Ladies, not fat "empowered" spoiled brats who expect things to go their way regardless of how they act and who demand respect without first earning it. I don't think women turn out that way on their own; it's something someone else turns them into, and it needs to stop.
Well, people are different and if I can say in general what is annoying with girls which I found consistently is lack of understanding. They assume that we know what is going on in their mind and must adjust accordingly. The truth is we seldomly know and it's ok in many ways if you just speak out and tell us how you feel or how you want to feel. PS every person is different so this might or might not apply to you. Some more things are to pass judgements, taking selfies for showing off and being unrealistic for no good reason. I am just saying what I have seen, still not everyone is like that.
Thinking we are emotionless rocks (we aren't it's just we are socially conditioned to be that way)
Assuming we will pay for everything, i'm a believe of 'going dutch' aka split it 50/50
Shaming guys for being honest about just wanting to fuck yet defending women when they do the same (again double standard, tend to see this one a lot); it's fine if you don't agree with it (i don't either) but don't shame someone for being honest about what they want
I don't have a problem with women. The cause of all this is Marxist indoctrination of women. So called feminism is actually Marxist and makes women act like communist revolutionaries rather than normal women. Take a look at this girls videos she's pretty up on the subject though I'm not sure she gets the Marxist connection. This isn't the fault of women it's been engineered by outside parties.
Women who feign interest in men just to get me to spoil them. I've had a few cases like that. My last ex went out with me for two years. I spoilt her rotten, took her out constantly but I discovered accidentally she didn't have any feelings for me whatsoever. We'd decided to have a relationship. We'd discussed it six months in. We weren't intimate because she was very religious. No sex before marriage religious. Why let it continue letting me do all those things if she wasn't interested. Why didn't she tell me? She cut me the moment I directly asked her how she felt about me.. That's incredibly toxic..
Each person's opinion is going to be different and based on what they want.
My single biggest issue with women is the sluttyness. It's men as well but of course I'm not exactly interested in men.
As someone who dreams about giving away our virginities on the wedding night it's not exactly good news to find out most women are impulsive and uninterested in forming slow strong bonds will one person.
I'm okay with working through other issues she might have but I think romantic love should be an exclusive experience with only one person. And I see a lot of women act the exact opposite. Maybe I'm a childish romantic but it's upsetting when women as a whole take the exact opposite stance.
Solution is obviously for people to take things slow and prioritize marriage and love over impulsive pleasure.
Also be healthy, not too related but a very obvious problem is that people dont take care of their bodies.
sadly i think you are wasting your time... i tried earlier with one guy and all he wanted to do was tell me i know nothing and then went on to upvote only posts from other fellow incel types. i do commend you at least trying to reach out though because it is becoming a very sad social trend amongst young men who blame women for their own insecurities
Yeah I get you. You’ll rarely see a woman on here blaming men for their problems when there are a buttload of guys on here who say women blame them for their problems. It’s a lot of hypocrisy. But these are incel men saying this crap.
I want to hear from the REAL men. You know, the one’s who have actually interacted with my fellow gender.
If something about our behaviour upsets you, please just tell us, if we appear to be in a mood that is ready for listening of course lol,,,
Men aren't as intuitive as women imho, and we're not psychic, I hope that doesn't sound rude,,,
And please don't ask our opinion about anything for any other reason than to affirm your choice by always going with the opposite of what we say is our preference,,,
And please don't say "Phillips screwdriver" when you actually mean "Posidrive",,,
Oh, and please don't "graunch" the handbrake, there is a button on the end of it which you should depress when using it, thank you so much!!!
by the way my Doctor, Dentist, Optician, Chiropodist, and car mechanic are all female, so I hope I don't come across as chauvinistic,
Don't always aim at men being horny for you. No matter if you dress attractively, talk sexually, want sex or witness a hard-on on a man, you can't prove if a man is horny or not, since it's still a matter of mind as well.
Same for periods of time or certain groups of people. You might WANT to think that men would feel attracted to grandmas, to kids or whatever. I don't know what thrills women to think that way. And not all men think of sex all the time, if any. Or do you think we come home from "work" where we've masturbated in groups for hours non-stop? It's like you want to cast everything regarding sex upon men, just to appear like discreet ladies to others yet keep your desires satisfied of which we ALL know you have them as well. Just stop pretending like there'd be anyone out there wanting you to be someone "perfect" who'd rather must be some sterilized sex actress!
Hello cakes 91 I may have been one of the angry voices about women and frankly that's just due to 50 years of being lied to cheated on manipulated and overall being just plain used. Not only has it happened to me, but if sat center stage and watched the women in my own family do these unloveable things to otherwise loveable human beings. I am also willing to give credit where credit is due and if your the type of woman I wish I would've found 30 years ago, then, I wish I would've found you 30 years ago!! But I've been seeing and witnessing these behaviors for such a long time even in my own that I don't even talk to my mother and sister anymore
If you are the diamond in the rough so to speak and are null and void of such treachery, then I deeply apologize for anything I may have said that offended you.
The hot/coldness is annoying, and so is the (seeming) lack of independent thought. Like you're a grown woman; you shouldn't be so unsure of how you feel, that you treat me like a prince and a turd in the same week. You also shouldn't need your girlfriends to tell you whether or not a guy is desirable to date.
"Anyone who is rude, generalizing, or in other words, being a dick will be deleted. I just want to hear your voices in a professional way."
Enough said. Seriously, could you be any more dismissive, condescending or anti-male? So sorry for being born with a dick, seeing as how that's soo BAD, disgusting and wrong, and how that makes everything I could ever say, think or feel automatically invalid, on account of "being a dick"...
I think it's cause all of us guys have been treated like objects by multiple women. It seems like it's okay for women to put us down and treat us like we are only there to give them what they want and when they are done with you they move on to find the next guy. It's happened to me so many times I no longer ask women out either for friendship or dating.
These million-year-old rules of how a guy should act how a woman should act. And if you don't follow those million-year rules you are less of a person I hate that. I know not every woman doesn't but there's enough we're at times I shake my head and wonder why I bother 😂 till I meet chill female
I think it's mostly those women that think every man is a handyman and knows how to fix it automatically 😂 then when say I don't know say ok get real name a simple one. Cuz totally what genitals I have determines what skills that I have 😂 is one not even in serious relationship
Some of the women in my life have been manipulative, selfish, and two-sided. This was mostly in order to receive attention, but some of them were legitimately hateful people. The solution is simple. Just stop walking around with this "men are the enemy" mentality and it becomes easier to be reasonable with men. As someone who had the same issue with women years ago, I can confirm.
for me its when a women says they want a nice guy yet when one like me comes along they say iam to nice or that they want a jurk kind of guy it blows my mind why say "we want a nice guy " yet blow off the nice guy its very hurtful least to me it is... hope i did not come off as a dick... i dont mean to
Women think they know what they want... they want bad boys... boys that aren’t that easy get at... this method works wonders for me with the ladies dude... it’s implanted in their subconscious , but their is a downfall to it
I had a woman on Quora say that 99.9% of all men were as sexually appealing as non-human species like raccoons and proceeded to use beastiality as an analogy to convey her disinterest.
Discrimination of short guys.
Assuming men exist for women.
Flaking on dates at the last minuet. Being flighty and changing their minds.
That's it. I know girls who don't do any of these things. I really like those girls a lot. Like seriously.
This dialog: "You can never know what it's like to be a woman." It's a trump card used in almost any argument. But the corollary of therefore you can never know what it's like being a man is both ignored and dismissed. I neither assume nor dismiss your problems, yet issues that men face are both dismissed and ignored. And if they are raised the answer is inevitably "but you don't know what it's like being a woman."
Well, it is not really your job to make angry incels think better of women. If you wish to though, it always helps to be nice to the shy guy in the room. You don't need to go on a date with him or anything, but in my younger years I was an angry woman hater of sorts. People, (especially females) showing me kindness helped me to become a better person.
Sure, I can read body language just fine but I almost EXCLUSIVELY count on verbal communication because... I am, in fact, SO skilled at reading body language that I know how open-ended and ambiguous it is by its very nature. And that leads me to another problem: you ladies seem to think ambiguity is your friend. IT IS NOT!!! ... at least if you want a man whose word is worth his salt ;)
Nothing I can think of. Anti-feminists are guys who don’t like change. Just like the civil rights movements and gay rights, the haters will be loud. But in actuality, there’s no extra pressure on guys in this “me too” era. The anti-feminists just hate all the noise.
You expect guys to be mind readers, to be able to tell what you want or need without telling us what exactly it is, you want or need. Pls communicate clearly and be direct to your men. I always hated it when my girlfriend used to do that to me. One of the contributing factors to our breakup. Don't be like, "you should be romantic and be able to tell what it is I want". Pls don't do that or else your relationship won't last long.
Women need to be faithful, respectful honest and communicate. Social media, phones and passwords need to be a shared.
If you ever are in a position to betray your SO, imagine your son or daughter being betrayed after they were married. Or how your child is being treated in a relationship
I think most of the whining on here is due to an ever growing number of people growing up glued to a computer or phone with zero social skills that end up completely unable to deal with the opposite sex. Personally it’s girls expect I’in that guys are going to magically change for them.
I hope I don't sound rude, but I wish women would give more effort with dating too since men are expected to do so much while women don't seem to have to do a lot to find love. I know its biological to do that, but we're civilised and not primitive so it feels really unecessary and just horrible.
For example, there are some guys including myself who aren't dominant nor upfront. At least for me, the idea of men being required to be strong really hurts since I'll never suit that since I hate controlling others along with being a more sensitive sort of guy. I hope that's understandable.
Honestly, no two people are the same regardless of sex. There are angry dudes here who will attack women simply because they have nothing better to do and want to hate women to feel superior. That or they are stupid and simply dont get things.
Hey, just asking is half the work done 👍 They all stem from women always knowing best (yet being proven to be a lot more in the middle of the intelligence distribution bell curve - men are more widely distributed, both in the very low and the very high range). Care, good intentions and not stereotyping can fix most things.
The general issue is that your ".. I’m a hard working woman, honest, dependable..." thing well, almost every chick in dating apps says so, and it appears that 70% of the time it's just blah blah so, sorry babe but some guys may have a ras-le-bol and express themselves (in a correct or incorrect way)
I don't like it when a girl plays around, I'd rather she be straight up about her intentions. And if I tell her I don't like her, she should just accept it and not play obsessive stalker on me so we can try to be friends.
Just be open. I’d rather have open intelligent conversations that screaming matches. I didn’t mean to generalize but I couldn’t find a good way to word the question. Apologies
I was halfway joking. But really, there's no way to answer a question about women without being general about it.
I'd say the biggest thing would be that women don't seem to care much about being a benefit to a man's life. Everything that women can do to add value to men's lives has been vilified as degrading or misogynistic, so women in general have refused to do them. And then they turn right around and wonder why men only want women for sex these days instead of seeking meaningful relationships and marriage. Let's face it: there's not much to look forward to in relationships as far as we're concerned. We're expected to provide, which is perfectly reasonable, but we're get nothing for it. We're supposed to protect, again reasonable, but we get nothing for it. We're expected to be entertaining, but get nothing for it. Relationships are a big deal for women because they get all the benefits of having a man around, but see lifting a finger for him as somehow degrading herself.
I’d really like your opinion on this: I’m that type of woman who is all about my man. I give 150% to my relationships yet I’m the one who couldn’t seem to find anyone interested. I’m a a cool girly, I’d like to think. Host lots of parties (classy not trashy). I have a lot of hobbies yet the girls I’ve noticed to get all e attention are girls one have nothing else besides looks to give.
I’m now in an amazing relationship so I’m not complaining at all, but I’m just confused as to why I couldn’t find ANYONE for years while I had a lot to give.
Several reasons. One is normalcy bias. A woman who is independent, classy, and has hobbies scares a lot of guys away because it's not "normal". They don't know what to expect, and doubt if they're good enough.
Another is that maybe you were looking for a man who behaves in a certain way. That makes you behave a certain way (the way that your type of man would respond to), which doesn't attract just any man. That's a good trait in my opinion.
Maybe you weren't playing the seduction game as well as you thought, or maybe you had no interest in it. Basic women play basic games. They put on a mask and cater to the instincts of the men they're after. The "damsel in distress" play is very common, which I don't think a woman like you would find tasteful because self-sufficient people pride themselves on taking care of their own business.
I could go on, but I think you get my point. Its almost definitely better that all of the lesser men steered clear and stayed out of the way. Sure, you could have had more fun, but would you really have been happy dealing with a succession of lackluster relationships?
Well, no wonder it took so long. Don't get me wrong, that's a smart way of weeding out the undesirables, but you had to know it would take a lot longer to find someone. But again; if you had gotten bogged down in bullshit, you never would have found the right man. So I think you did it the smart and successful way
Thanks, I appreciate it. The most worth while things take the longest to find many times. I just find the whole “chasing” game to be kinda dumb and shallow
I agree with you at some point, my friend. But sometimes standard should not even there, it's all about understanding one another. But this has to be from both end , if not then one end will be greenery and other end will be dry dessert
Well true, but that doesn’t change the fact that I am constantly rejected by women who have very little for offer in comparison to me. Women who in no way would I ever be convinced were better than me. Women who I ASSUME not many men would like. I on the other hand know that I have PLENTY to offer. I am disgusted by men who give into the behavior of women who chase men far superior to themselves. I could not for instance justify by any means dating someone who I find repulsive and yet repulsive women have been known to consider me not good enough either at times. This world is way to confusing and disappointing in the terms of love and companionship. Never settle and never give up. Also have realistic and reasonable standards people please.
I can't disagree with you anymore. as I'm sailing the same boat as you. But we can't change the fact that today all maximum wants well balanced, well settled husband material, but she forget that he or his parents has worked hard to be that way. So they should be willing to understand to work for / with him to be at stage what they want with the person they love. That person or a male should not be judged upon what he has and how much he has, or been valued in terms of how he spends on her, but In terms of how is he giving, and what is he giving, and realisation for what he is giving is his hard earned and to be valued.
My situation is different. I’m a good looking guy, I’m in great shape, good job, good car and house, great personality and humor, great life and family. I only seem to attract women who are all of these things in one. Ugly + fat+ stupid+ unsuccessful + uninteresting. Now tell me, how is that anywhere close to acceptable? Not only am I not attracted to these women at all, I’m in no ways similar. Yes you can compare genders so stfu if you think otherwise. I have muscles and am fit these girls are big. That ALONE should be the most obvious red flag. Then go onto how they also have NOTHING else going for them. No thanks, as a 100% straight man, I’d much rather date a skinny guy.
That problem can also be on both sides of gender. I had such a difficult time find anyone interested. I have a lot to offer: great career, family, lots of skills, really outgoing and friendly, I always give 150% into my relationships. I was angry for a long time because it seemed as though the women who got boyfriends were the ones who were pretty but literally nothing else to offer.
I’m not complaining, I’m now in a relationship, but this does happen to women too.
That’s where I am. I am very angry and it sucks. I wish I didn’t have this anger and I wish I didn’t blame women for this, but it’s hard not to. I do not understand it at all.
Yeah I don’t get it either. You might be more genuine and that can be a barrier for the more superficial people. I know how you feel. All my female roommates always had guys over and I was the 3rd wheel all the time.
Just be honest and forward w us. We can't read minds and if someone has been in a bad relationship, they may still be walking on eggshells, I kno I am...
Of course guys do this too but I think such beliefs are somewhat more prevalent in women. Happily I'm married to a level-headed woman who does not entertain fuzzy-headed notions.
Their victim mentality, inability to take responsibility and blame others for why their life isn't going the way they want despite them being passive and not taking action.
What you report is exactly what blokes experience. A hard working man, honest, dependable, yet is still called mean names for things he never did by the feminazis. The injustice of it is bound to cause a reaction.
I personally think that feminism was radicalized and this issue makes the same with man's. Everybody deserves respect and the same rights. And yes, there are quite a few fools bothering women. Don't take it personal, some dudes aren't serious.
You women are like damn mysteries lol, you speak in riddles and are hard to figure out, maybe be a little less complex so us guys don't keep messing up haha other than that women are perfect 👌
They never say sorry or take responsiblity. It's always someone else's fault. I never ever heard a woman say she was wrong, apologize and take responsiblity and fix what they did wrong
This attitude is probably the #1 reason i hear guys say they're giving up on women. Its okay to admit you're flawed and human and take some accountability. Preparing yourself for downvotes, yeah because deep down you know what you're saying is illogical and wrong. If men are gonna take responsibility for our own actions, then its only fair women should too.
Laughing Out Loud, haha I don't know, the only thing funny here is that you are unable to react to this statement. You don't know what to say but you want to have the last word so here you go, please say idk💅
So rape and murder crimes: which gender is 99% responsible for them. Men. All your issues have to do taming men. You want male rapes and homicides to go down? Talk to men.
Also, # of falsely accused men of rape is like a teaspoon in the ocean. It’s just hyperbole.
my friend false accusations is starting to become an ocean
Again you feel like women suffer more
I know that men are in power so they are the problem but I'm just saying men suffer too at the hands of these men
So shut up snowflake , in this century women don't have that bad
Even in the year where women didn't have the right to vote , they still had some amount of privilege ( at least in the European countries and America )
Believe it or not
The irony of life is that real rapist get easier time than falsely accused ones
@OddBeMe is right, the number of false accusations compared to actual rape is dramatically different.
Also, if you’re annoyed because there is sexism against you, then do something about it. You want your rights? Do something about it! No one ever got there rights by sitting behind a computer complaining about how awful the opposite gender is.
False accusations are starting to rise , they just aren't given importance in the media
Yes false accusations are lower than actual rape
But both of you can't deny the seriousness is on the same level as rape because
1. The mere accusation of rape is going to labeled into the man forever , he's life would be destroyed , and people would subconsciously think that he's still the rapist and the poor victim is punished
2. This is the main reason , it makes it harder for people to believe women , it's well known that some people think women are lying about rape or believes it's their fault , false accusations gives them a reason to validate not to believe women
Being labelled a rapist is the worst fate a man can have
Look at Brock turner yes he actually raped a woman , and yes the court unfairly favoured him but according to reports he's not his normal self , he's banned from entering the Olympics swimming contest and he never are food normally
Rapist like Harvey Weinstein may not care but good men do
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