We all know women are attracted to bad boys, but what are you supposed to do if you're not one?

[Anonymous]

Going through highschool and college it has become abundantly clear that women like men who treat them badly. Or averagely. And I accept that, we as men definitely have preferences towards certain kinds of women. But what has been stuck in my mind is what to do, if you don't fit into that category? When all the women around you aren't interested because your 'too nice'. Do we change our selves? Do we start being more of a dick towards women? Is being treated that way what attracts women, or is it just a side affect of the attractive attributes? Do we sell our car, buy a motorcycle and start smoking? To understand why most women don't go for nice we must first understand why they are attracted to Bad.

I wanna hear all the opinions, the good the bad, everything.

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I just wanna clarify, this is more about the topic as a whole and not about me and any specific person. I feel I may have worded it wrong and that's led people down a specific path

[MAAJD]

In Canada and USA many (not ALL, stop lumping all together) women like badboys because being nice or even 'super nice' is normal. everybody is nice and supernice. It's gets boring to those 'certain' women. They took it for GRANTED so they don't know how valuable it is anymore. It's like when you have good health, you take it for granted, you don't ever value that you are in good health until you get sick, then you will almost trade anything to get that normal everyday health you had back.

If you go to a place where women are treated like shit, and you are a nice person. you will instantly become a hot commodity there. Everyone will lust for your kindness and warmth and just be with you.

Now that was all just a FYI. The real info comes below:

It's not really the 'badboy' they are attracted to. It's the 'respect' or 'fear' or 'strength' aura that they draw from others around them. 'badboys' tend to be seen as people with stronger personality and not afraid of conflict. Strong guys, that others are afraid of. now ALLLL women like to feel safe and protected, being with a 'badboy' will give the feeling that they are safe and protected since people 'fear' or dont mess with that 'badboy' or he's seen or felt as a strong guy.

Man... drop all this badboy bullshit. Women are extremely easy to understand. I will tell you the secret recipe. Every woman wants to feel safe and protected by their man and also be attracted to them. That is - for the most part - all there is to it.

The above means, you need to be a man who has a strong personality and presence. Respected by others (could be because you are the strongest personality in the room, or strongest physically, or successful in life, maybe a 'badboy', or even just because you are the most athletic... whatever the reason is, find your own way that forces others naturally to respect you). Women are HEAVILY attracted/drawn to guys who are looked up/respected by other guys. they just melt and lose it. suddenly that guy seems to them like the strongest and most 'alpha' while the others are just followers. If you are someone who does nothing when someone slaps you on the face, who is gonna respect you? The fact that you did nothing will instantly lose everyone's respect to you. Even though If i saw that i will come and defend you and maybe make the guy regret slapping you, i will still have less respect to you than how it was before the slap and will give you shit later for allowing it to slide.

Basically, my point is. You can be the NICEST most kindest person anyone has EVER met, yet be the strongest person and most respected person in the room. And girls will literally go to the hospital because they lost so much liquid when they see you from how wet they got... cause they just saw that even the 'badboy' who they thought was the hottest, look up to you and respect you. You will become 10 times hotter than the badboy.

Now that you understand the formula, it will take you 3-10, if not even 20 years to become that person I just told you about, depending how much effort you put in to work and improve yourself. If you put in anything at all that is. I'l just tell you that I have been 'moderately' working on it and it's been 8 years now and i'm only like 70% there.

[Ninjazzed]

Well apparently now being a dick is the new normal and the nice guys are a rare breed.

[Bouvbeingcool]

@Ninjazzed Well you don't see them

[InventorofWarp]

This is basically the advice that I gave and I agree with pretty much all of it. Though it does make me wonder why a lot of guys who don't do this and are kind of assholes end up with tons of women. But then I guess I also wouldn't call them quality women and judging by how often these guys feel the need to brag I'd say they feel a lot of insecurity.

Case in point: Many of my friends and family are massive man-whores who feel the need to consistently brag about it... and also cheat on spouses or cheat with their spouses on their spouses' partners.
And they're also people who couldn't tell you, say, who Marshall Philippe Petain is or how to say "I love you" in eight different languages.
And the women they end up with are also definitely anchors, not ships.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

You don't have to be a bad boy.
Look, the people you fuck and the people you have a relationship with are not the same, that's for guys and for girls.
Bad boys are frontal with what they want, aka sex. So they sex easier, from girls that are easy like they are! The girls you see going for them are not the kind you want, trust me.

But let's say you want to have a casual hookup, do you have to be a bad boy? No you only need two things, confidence and bug numbers law. In an entire city, as long as you have confidence, there will be a girl that will be drunk enough, horny enough, or just really finds you attractive enough to go with you. Don't be afraid to get rejected and practice. One will bite the bait eventually.

For relationships. Have things going for you. Have a hobbie, be capable of holding a conversation, have a topic that really interests you that you know more of than anyone else, look well put together, out some effort into your appearance and finally, flirt. You don't have to treat them bad, but you have to know how to flirt. Being funny and having charisma go a long long way.

[aWes0MeNeSs]

No, I don't believe anyone should change their entire personality (or pick up unhealthy habits such as smoking; I currently have two very sick family members whose health is failing them due to years of smoking, along with one whose life was cut short due to health issues brought on from years of smoking, and would never recommend it to anyone) for anyone. A potential partner should like you for who you really are. You will never be happy trying to be someone you're not and with a partner who only likes that fake facade.

It's common with young girls to go through a "bad boy" phase, as they tend to have more unrealistic views of relationships and have a fantasy for "taming" one of those bad boys and changing him into someone who is good to them (which almost never happens, and they end up heartbroken; people only change of their own accord, and most do not bother considering they usually don't see anything wrong with the way they are/act, and it's impossible to change anyone but yourself). I honestly think the media portraying relationships where the girl ends up "changing" the bad boy or the bad boy ends up realizing he's messed up and changes for the girl is much to blame for this. The thing is, reality is nothing like the movies and fantasy.

However, once girls become a bit more mature and realistic about dating, they will typically be over that "bad boy" bullshit. The ones who are not typically have very low self esteem and usually just accept that behavior because they think it's the best they can do and believe that they don't deserve better (and in turn, don't demand better).

There are girls out there who want a genuinely good man who treats them with respect, and in my opinion, it is ALWAYS worth waiting for someone who is right for you rather than trying to change yourself to fit a round peg into a square hole, which will never work out in the end.

[Djaay]

Very true...

[SnakeBoop]

realise that majority of women are not attracted to bad boys...
don't fall into the "nice guy" mentallity. otherwise yeah, women are gonna want anyone but you. Take a look on reddit if that confuses you for the sub reddit of the same name.

[Asker]

Ughh trust me I will never identify as a "nice guy". We all know those guys, the ones who complain girls don't go for nice guys but never actually ask anyone out.

[SnakeBoop]

not quite what a "nice guy" is in the sense I mention.. i mean the assholes who think they're gods gift to women who will be the asshole if they don't get their way/replied to in a prompt manner etc.

[Asker]

Ohhhhh, right I got you. Gee didn't know "nice guy" was synonymous with "douchebag". Haha.

[Babeknows]

And what about reddit?

[disgustingweebtrash]

Reddit is a terrible echo chamber

[Babeknows]

@disgustingweebtrash How so is that?

[strathottawa]

Like the asker, I too was puzzled by Snake Boop's paradoxical take on who/what is a "nice guy". Perhaps I would have understood if I had done the assigned reddit and subreddit reading homework.

[SnakeBoop]

@strathottawa it can be confusing.
If you're aware of women hating men who only see women as objects that should give sex, and that the men believe they deserve a date etc for any reason, then you are already half aware of the "nice guy" from reddit.
Imagine a dude angered and spitting insults because a woman he held a door open for didn't immediately drop to her knees to give him a blowjob. Its dating/sex entitlement and belittling/unequal treatment of women.

[InventorofWarp]

This is rather funny because, I am kind of this.
I'm a church-going man, was a church-going boy. Waiting for the right girl. Never hurt a girl, don't intend to. Used to write anonymous poetry and love letters to the girls I had a crush on in school. Still do for my crushes except I no longer send them. Not just 'cause my crush now is taken.
I was a loser, scrawny nerd in school and the only reason girls ever looked my way, if ever, was to make fun of me or worse.

When I was 14 I got my first tattoo.
Got 21 more since then up to now. And not having a girlfriend allowed me to explore jobs and career options, study a few subjects, obtain a few licenses (motorcycle included). Got involved in drugs and started smoking. I quit but I still sneak one on occasion.
I travelled most of this beautiful country and a couple parts of The States.
I learned tons of new skills and talents that take years to acquire that people find impressive. Learned to speak 8 languages, play 5 instruments and sing.
I wear leather jackets and gloves when I go riding. Oh, I also grew up on a ranch and I used to dress appropriately to that (still do when back on one) and am well-verses with horses.

Point being that I hilariously just kind of fell into the image of a "bad boy": Tattooed, tall (well over 6'5), workout so I'm lean and physically fit, leather-clad, swear like a sailor.

But I'm like the complete opposite of what women tend to expect upon first meeting me.
I'm still 100% religious. Not to a huge degree but I say prayers, go to church, wear my cross and have a cross tattooed on my neck. I'm waiting for my girl not out of religious reasons but because as a boy I always wanted to be a husband and thought it'd be the most romantic thing I could give a girl is my innocence. And I'm a huge fan of kids and learned origami specifically to be able to do something interesting when I interact with kids, they tend to find it interesting. I also have two chocolate lab girls that I adopted in the pandemic that I tend to spend a lot of time with and treat like my babies.

My advice is: Find confidence.
Women aren't attracted to bad boys or asshole behavior, they like confidence and a bit of danger, that's why the image excites them. No one cared about me until I started going my own way and doing my own thing and being my own man and now I don't really give a fuck, I don't need anyone else but myself. I mean, I obviously still dream of having someone. But it doesn't dominate my thoughts.
I'm confident because I know I'm a catch. Don't get me wrong I still have MASSIVE self-esteem issues. But I know that finding a man with my level of skills, talents and intelligence and, I'm just gonna say it, attractiveness, is a pretty difficult farce. Most of my friends past 27 are losing their hair and I far eclipse most of my friends.

Get confidence and be a little dangerous. Be your own man.

[Bram852OOO]

Women aren't atracted to "bad boys" they're atracted towards guys that have self esteem. The so called "bad boys" aren't always as bad as you might think they are, and the "nice guys" aren't always as nice as they seem.

Just try to get another mindset, I'm a guy who is overly honest, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, move around with my bike and public transport, am a nerdy guy who study's sciences and plays D&D with friends. Yet i dont have a problem finding whoman to talk with.

What works for me is just to be myself when talking to girls, you have a hobby that you realy love but might be nerdy? Dont be ashamed of it and talk about it like you whould to others, being passionated about something is atractive!

And last point, always stay nice and polite. You went on a date with someone but she regrets you? Just wish her the best of luck with finding someone, a lot of peopele might stick around as friends and you might get to know a lot of people that way (i got to know one of my best friends atm trough my ex. if we didn't stay friends, i woudnt have met her)

[Polloshurt]

Take the red pill

[Polloshurt]

The hypocrite society along with the hypocrite media and movies fool men to be too good and think that he must be so kind to women. Stop focusing on them and focus on yourself build yourself financially and mentally also phisicaly so go to the gym bro be best version of yourself.

You don't have to change being good guy but being too nice is bad not only you will not get woman it's bad for you at the first place you have to be good guy but not too nice naive guy hit the gym it will help you a lot.

Also understand that most girls at their 20s wants to ride the cock carousel which will lead them ending either single mom or can't have pair bond later they will end up on TikTok probably making videos where are all the good men go. There's few if any good quality women out there they're rare usually they have good father.

So I assume you're still young be very careful with your resources yes your resources is huge treasure for these girls these days some women may be with you only for your attention or just because you text her usually because Chad doesn't do that and when she drain the hell out of you she will act like nothing between us. Understand your attention Worth money

Always have the power of walking away and never give your resources unless she's Worth it your attention your cash your time your emotions some of em are energy vampires.

[fr44c3iqqs]

I think it may be that they study proper attraction methods, we all should too.

By what I know, creating tension and being a playful slight jerk (not “player” type) is what it takes.

Another method to create the tension is to like give small, simple but meaningful compliment like say that her hair looks nice/good or that you like the look of her hair or eyes, but then make it short and then say something like “Oh! I gotta go to an appointment/class (or something important made up)”, that way she will feel some interest sparked and will be something like “What? There is something in this guy. I gotta see him later, and get to know him a bit more!”

You gotta be sure to press the right buttons. If you do, then she will very likely not care whether you are nice or bad, she will be into you. In one part online, a girl said “We don’t like nice guys. We like good guys.” So it goes by what they define as good or great, or enchanting. In fact, don’t say in flirting “You look great.” Great sounds better than good, but maybe replace it with a get better word like enchanting, fabulous, awesome, etc., but preferably more classy, more meaningful, and more endearing.

Of course, this is far from being all but it is yet quite a piece of help. Don’t forego doing your own research online. The loudest guys are the crazy and bad guys. Who says nice guys can’t make their voices loud and heard? That will earn them what they deserve!

[backblueblack22]

This is an oversimplification. Most women are attracted to CHALLENGE. You don’t necessarily need to be a bad boy to be a challenge. But unfortunately being a nice guy is usually construed as the antithesis of challenge.

This is what you have to remember:

1) There is a good chance you were brainwashed at a early age to kiss girl’s asses. School teachers, mothers and feminist influenced education/entertainment unfortunately has done this to lots of young men. You have to take the red pill to unlearn what’s going on here. Never feel guilty or apologize for being a man

2) Most women don’t enjoy being abused (although some definitely have daddy issues). But unfortunately they are much more turned on by “hard to get” guys than vice versa. They see this as higher value.

To be fair guys can be like this too. But nowhere near the extent as vice versa. You can to learn self control not to bend over backwards and to realize she subconsciously testing you. For example if you get her number do NOT call her the next day. Wait at least 4 days. Make her think you got other options.

3) Never give women a shoulder to cry on if you hear them complain about other guys. Never. Do not tolerate the friendzone. This can be tricky because it feels like they are opening up to you and establishing a connection. The truth is they just see you as weak and are looking to exploit you for free counseling or worse. Look for signs.

4.) Respect yourself as high value. Make her put in a porportional amount of effort. If it feels one sided then ditch her and respect yourself.

5) Do not ask women for dating advice. 90% of the time what they “say” they want is the exact opposite of what they REALLY want. Following their advice will just get you friendzoned.

[Anonymous]

Interesting question.
As we know thar highschool girls are kids. most of college girls are teenies. I am sorry but why are you comparing kids/teenies with adult women? I like bad boys when i was 15 because of their look but i dont like them anymore. Any adult sane man won't really meet such girls who like bad girls because they dont like kids/immature very young girls. So dont worry because you are not going to be around any pubescent kids/teenies anymore since you finish school/college
Badboys are kids/teenies too. Dont care what kids/teenies prefere. Badboys are liked because of their looks because young girls or kids are unrealistic, shallow immature and therefore dont care about personality. This is why E-Boys are popular around kids/teenies. This is also why relationship of Highschool kids dont last much lol.
Of course there are still some adult women who still like badboys but in my experience they are crazy or have some mental issues. I also think some women mistake dominant men with bad men who use their dominance in a bad way. So if you want to remain nice but also be lke these " badboys" be dominant because there are still many women who like stereotypical manly dominant men.

The so called "incel" community would not complain about being single then if majority of women supposed to like bad men. Any "incel" would be taken.
I recommend you to date mature older women. I am sorry what happened to you. Bad immature women exist of course. So be careful. And dont change yourself for anyone.

[Anonymous]

If you'd ever had a woman who was just completely head over heels for you and couldn't contain herself, you'd understand why women don't like the so-in-love-with-you nice guy schtick. Even if she finds you attractive, it'll make her uncomfortable.

There's a lot to be said for expressing interest non-verbally, watching for signs of interest from her, letting some tension build, creating some mystery, etc before ever talking to her. There's also a lot to be said for having enough self-respect to NOT be a little puppy dog who'll follow at her heels and do anything she desires.

Women in general want dominant men. Every time you beg for her attention or give in to her whims, you knock yourself down a rung on that ladder. They say women are the choosers, right? And that's where men screw it up. Put yourself on that pedestal, and you won't have any problem finding a woman.

I've had as many as six women competing for my attention at the same time in the same place on the same night. I'm not the 6'2" lawyer with a 10" schlong that men say women must have. I just know how to play the game.

[Anonymous]

Been there done that. Not necessarily being a bad boy but catering or trying to transform myself by dressing sharper or blah blah blah. I’m not changing myself for a girl. If you are a guy and you can’t be your true self, ditch girls you are pursuing. If you’re into comic movies and superhero movies, find a girl at a comic convention. If you’re into books and coffee shop, visit a coffee shop with book stores and sitting areas. If you’re into sports and fitness go to the gym and try to meet girls there. I hate drinking and partying, therefore I’m not going to find a girl at a bar while she’s drunk. This may not answer your question on the topic of bad boys but my main point is not all girls are into bad boys. I find girls who come from broken homes, delusional about guys/men, absent fathers or just trying to rebel will like those types of guys. Talk to a girl who’s ground and she knows what she wants and it’s not a bad boy. I think girls are also into bad boys because the assumption is they are not needy and act confident. Being a good person equates to being spineless in the dating world , which is wrong of course.

[Anonymous]

You want to turn into a bad boy and get girls? Then you gotta be like 6ix9ine. He's got girls. And his girl didn't leave him even after he physically assaulted her and sexually assaulted her also. That's how you know how to be a the bad boy, that's a girl's wet dream.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/pPw_izFr5PA

Sara Molina (6ix9ine's girl) told, that he (Daniel Hernandez, 6ix9ine) beat her over a period of seven years, a timeline that corresponds to Hernandez's own admission. Molina told the Daily Beast about numerous incidents of abuse, including one beating in Dubai that left her face so swollen that she says, "I could barely open my eyes."
When Molina denied cheating on him, she says he punched her out of nowhere, driving "a hair extension into her scalp." "I was leaking blood," she said. "There was blood on the hotel pillowcases.
She continued to detail that Hernandez proceeded “beating me for two hours straight,” she claims “He punched me so hard in my right ear I thought I was deaf.” Molina describes that Hernandez punched, kicked and choked her, leaving her with two black eyes and multiple bruises. She then went on to allege that he sexually assaulted her next morning, “He woke up, forced me to have sex with him,” she said. “I cried.”
Molina described another incident that took place in April 2017, in which 6ix9ine beat her in a car in front of her daughter, then a year old, who started screaming and crying.
Daniel Hernandez admitted physically abusing his ex-girlfriend again in an interview with The New York Times in 2020.

[Opinion Owner]

6ix9ine can even get away with cheating and he still gets those girls.

https://youtu.be/xdVknLqOM9A

[slatyb]

Most women are attracted to genuinely nice men. They just aren't attracted to the self-proclaimed "nice guys" trying to exchange unwanted favors for sex. The genuinely nice guys are just nice because it's the right thing to do, and they are nice to everyone.

[Asker]

That's true. What I'm learning through this question is women have a lot of Run in with "nice guys" who think saying that entitles them to anything. I genuinely apologise for my gender.

[AlexisP98]

There is a really unfortunate trap that some guys fall into where they think they have so much to offer to women because they're so unlike the guys that bully them and are just pure toxic masculinity, but they actually don't look at themselves objectively. They define themselves by what they aren't instead of what they are. Don't be a reaction to the assholes you know, be yourself. Your own passions and drives and interests are probably going to help you meet someone who either shares those or admires them. Fully delete the bad men from your brain because that's a whole world you don't want to be a part of.

[valentina4eva]

maybe start by not using some straw man argument that treats ALL women as some monolith that must ALL love “bad boys” lolol


i really doubt the women around u aren’t attracted to u because u are “too nice” 🙄🙄 maybe try improving urself to attract women instead of automatically assuming u aren’t attracting women because ur not treating them poorly enough😂😂😂

[cth96190]

I do not know what to suggest, except to go MGTOW monk.
Really and truly, most women have been taught to hate us and changes to legislation have made it too dangerous to just be in the same room as a female.
I was a borderline incel until about age 30, because I was not a sociopathic bad boy.
By the time that I was 35 women who would have told me to FOAD when they were 20 were asking me out.
By that time, I was too bitter, angry and resentful to be interested.
Women still make moves on me, especially while I am working and when I manage to attend church.
I pretend to not notice what they are throwing at my feet, because there is no way to sort of crazy bitches and former hateful Feminists from the women who might be worth my time, without exposing myself to unacceptable risk.

[SunnyFlorida]

Women want confidence. Woman often mistake a$$holes as confident men, then get treated badly. They put up with it for a while. Sometimes women get pregnant to save the dysfunctional relationship. You are not going to change women; you need to change your perspective. I suggest a book, "No More Mr Nice Guy" by Dr. Robert Glover

[Tiptoetamm]

No absolutely not. Women hookup with bad boys, marry good boy. Don't change yourself why would you turn into a dick that's not something you should even consider

[Polloshurt]

That hook ups will have its marks on her forever. She will never have enough connection with 1 guy because she ran through so many. Hence I as a man know that if I sex with the girl in my work or the gym I can't have good that bond with 1 woman later that what separates good quality women from bad quality woman. So after all these Chad Tyrone dicks at her 20s she wants settle with good man what a bad age for men. Women should be more religious or else they will hit 30 with a cat facing the Wall

[bamesjond0069]

"Women hookup with bad boys, marry good boy." Correct. This is why men prefer to be bad boys. Nobody wants the outcome of the good boys.

[Polloshurt]

@bamesjond0069 bad boy get sex at first date

[VanillaSalt]

That’s the issue. Should a man settle with a woman who gave it free to the arrogant asshole for the best years but then has expectations for him to provide during her 30s and later after she’s passing the better more active years of her life? It’s a very raw deal for men that we have to put up with because calling women out for their stupid seems to be shunned right now…

[bamesjond0069]

@Polloshurt exactly. Now there are some good women out there. They are virgins or maybe had one long term relationship. I treat those girls one way. All others i treat another... hint hint they better put out on day 1 and all days thereafter or there's the door bye bye. They get fat there's the door. They generally annoy me... cya later. Their only value is the usefulness they provide at that very moment.

[Polloshurt]

@bamesjond0069 she did proof that girls hook ups with bad boys and want settle for the good because of course he have better resources and at 30 women decline This young generation are lucky to have the mgtow and red pill knowledge they should know the truth before some ex cock carousel riders use their resources and broke their hearts attention and emotional support is example also they could use the good guy financially too.

[jerdanro]

Because good giys want to be desired too. Noone wants to feel that the woman they are with chose them for stability and comfort, but would rather fuck someone else.

[Tiptoetamm]

It's way more about stability and comfort for my anyway it's about I want to be proud of the man I bring home to my family. I hook up with good guys all the time, bad boys usually means trouble so you take better off with a good boy anyway I'm rambling

[Polloshurt]

Doesn't really matter that much we all know where girls with bad boys history ends up these bad boys spirits and energy ruins them they can't help it once a girl go into that world she won't be the same girl again, the cock carousel dark forces have it's hand on them but to be fair if she asked God for forgiveness and changed from inside she might find peace at least inner peace

As long as we men age like wine and women like milk we are in safer and more stable place. I hope all men wake up and take the red pill. In 2021 men choosing video games over dating and women call men with no dating game tactics a loser.

[disgustingweebtrash]

This is the only real advice any woman has given on this question. Dont change yourself for pussy

[bamesjond0069]

@disgustingweebtrash yes but no. If you're coming from the "nice guy" beta personality youve already been changed for pussy. Thats not who any man just is. Its a failed mating strategy generally women teach men. So to adopt a "bad boy" strategy which is basically doing what you want, being confident, not recognizing pussy power, not being afraid to be masculine... that is the normal behavior of men... unless they practice and learn the beta simp weak nice guy behaviors.

[Polloshurt]

@bamesjond0069 we should not forget the hypocrite society and hypocrite fairy tails movies that make men fall to be a simp and beta male many men are alpha but blue pilled unfortunately some of em will take the red pill in hard way.

Also every men should know and get that walking away power probably the strongest thing men can have in a relationship.

[Tiptoetamm]

@disgustingweebtrash thank you

[RasberrySlushPuppy]

@Tiptoetamm so you want to mould a man to your taste to feel proud infront of your family? 😂😂 get a load of this! Well that is kinda sad. you're going to miss out on a guy who finds out who he is and is able to express himself in the way he wants to be. So are you afraid of this type because you can't CONTROL HIM?

[Tiptoetamm]

Your can ask think what your want. I just want to be proud of the men standing next to me. So your saying I should have a man who treats me like shit. No thanks

[RasberrySlushPuppy]

That's so typical, you immediately think anyone who isn't to your STANDARD is abusive. Perhaps they are upset and angry with you because you try to manipulate them into being how you WANT 🙄

[Tiptoetamm]

Wow relax the question asked if he should be more aggressive I say no that's all I'm saying geeze

[Polloshurt]

@RasberrySlushPuppy they hook up with bad boys and pump n dump then later wants marrying the good guy SMH

[RasberrySlushPuppy]

@Polloshurt sometimes they've only got those as an option

[Luopio27]

I used to think this way too but as I grew older, it became more clear that getting with the hottest girls is about leadership qualities.


If you are aiming to get the prettiest ones out there, it is understandable how it seems that only bad boys get them. They have great social skills, are excelent in communicating without words, like body language. Confidence is a misleading word. Guys that get the hottest girls, know exactly what they are doing and how they do things the way they appear atractive.


Girls who are not on top of the food chain, wonder same things about guys who are on the top of the food chain. For those guys, who looks dont matter, they dont have this problem.

[Ukrainianbuddafly]

Nobody wants someone that treats them badly, that's a cop out. But biologically we like men who can (among other things) protect us. A lot of "good guys" show us the kind side but forget to show us that manly protector side. Like how attracted would you be to a female that acted quite masculine?

[Asker]

Unfortunately it's easier said than done especially in today's world

[Ukrainianbuddafly]

Not really. Showing your dominance and masculinity is more than just being her superman and savior just think outside the box to show her.. be handy.

[joeblow123]

@Ukrainianbuddafly

"be handy."

Nope. Not happening. For men that is the kiss of death.

[DonkeyDan]

It's confidence that women are attracted to, and bad guys have it. But you don't have to be a bad guy to be a confident guy. Don't change yourself to fit into a stereotype, certainly one that will get you nowhere in the long run. Any woman that is worth dating isn't the ones that go out with dicks anyway, they are cheap fake vain women.

[jackderby_01]

There's a difference between being a nice guy and a kind guy. Nice guys put women on a pedestal while sacrificing their own beliefs, respect and interests becoming someone they're not. They always want something in return. Meanwhile kind guys are kind irreapective. They dont have some hidden agenda. Read this book called No more Mr. nice Guy by Robert Clover. He clearly explains what makes people nice and how to recover from the nice guy syndrome.

[Anonymous]

hey no offence but… this sounds like a movie or fantasy. That isn’t real life… not all women are attracted to “bad boys” who wear leather jackets and smoke… you can’t be serious.

I feel like if you are a self proclaimed nice guy and believe women don’t want you because you’re “too nice” there is something else wrong internally that you are not aware of or choose to ignore

[Asker]

Funny how that's the default assumption when discussing this topic 🤣
And anyone who has to proclaim themselves as a nice guy is an asshole who thinks the world owes him something

[RasberrySlushPuppy]

A guy simply has to try the whole routine to realise it isn't a fantasy.