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Women also get shamed for being a prude for not having experience like a prostitute in my experience and this is also why my ex broke up with me just because i did not give the manwhore sex although he is a muslim and should wait till marriage- the irony ;) So i would not say that. According to my experience with gag guys is that some or many of them want a virgin or women with low bodycount who have the experience of a prostitute/pornstars. This is why i prefere virgin or men with low bodycount who is also a "prude" like me. Yes you are prude when you ain't into anal sex, deep throath, choking, blood play or another self harming bs but i get called weird or crazy when i also want to do all of this with my non existent my strap-on dildo as a joke. It is easy to stick your dick in every hole but hard to endure all of the pain, health issues, consequences etc. I also think that men who are against of promiscuos women should not be promiscuos themself. You can't be against hook up culture but also be part of it, since it is hypocritical and selfish.
I also can't generalize men or women, of course. I am just talking about my experience.

I also want to say that being a housewife without working on the farm etc is actually something modern and so women were not priviliged enough to stay at home. Yes in the 60-80s this was possible but mostly women did not just stay home and they "work" by doing work at farm or at their "garden". So you kinda insult all of the women of the post and today. Your grand grand grand grand mother could not just stay at home but you probably prefere these women from the past. In the Europe or in german speaking countries women built the whole country after the wars due to shortage of men who are called "Trümmer Frauen". So these women were alll not being worth of wife because of you stupidity and ignorance? You are just insulting all the great women just for working aka doing great work for the humanity
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Also man up and make this question under male profil. Instead of using an anon pink profile
Ok sorry for kink shaming anyone and being offensive/sexist towards (promiscuos) men. Of course you can like anal sex, choking etc and the way i express myself was bad. What i meant is that there is a pressure on you to be "kinky" too, otherwise you may get called prude.
Probably true. I became a wife young. Didn't sleep around or focus on career. If you want the family life it's better to start sooner then later before time runs out
One of the most intelligent women on this whole site.
@bamesjond0069 awh thank you
she's not more intelligent she just doesn't have as much hate for men
how did you get dislikes for that comment. 🙄
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@bamesjond0069 Couldn't agree with you more.
@Apple1996 isn't just one of the most intelligent women on this site, she's one of the coolest down to earth actually honest lady who care enough to actually speak her mind when she want to.
I respect that so much with women! Im genuinely happy that you have a wonderful family life even though I know nothing about you at all. Why? Because I know how important family is.
I'd say false. That's because when people match up, there are hundreds of things combined that makes a person what they are. People might meet hundreds of people in their lives. Out of all of those only a select few are serious candidates for a match - i. e. when the chemistry is there.
Things like sleeping around (whatever that might mean to you) and focusing on career might be deal breakers for some guys, but they are not the kind of thing that will turn away the masses. There are millions of potential matches out there, and even if someone has those traits, there are still millions of potential matches.
It's true that a lot of men will not like those traits. It's also true that a LOT of men don't care. It's not going to ruin their chances, or even significantly reduce their chances. The kind of man that would not want those traits in a woman are probably not the kind of men the woman would want anyway, so it goes both ways. They would just not be compatible, just like they might not be compatible for a thousand other reasons.
True.
If you're interested in doing things career-wise, then good for you but in terms of attraction career doesn't have much relevance on your attractiveness. So investing a lot into career first can become a trade off. Also on a related note, women who are obviously going to be busy will be less attractive, no one wants a partner that's never going to be around.
As for partners, generally speaking the more partners you have the less attractive you are. Women naturally start at high attractiveness and decline more over time, on their way down they will grab hold of a partner who is making his way up in attractiveness.
A woman who sleeps around is like jumping off that cliff. Her attractiveness as a long term partner will plummet.
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Okay the focusing on career one depends on a variable. As we know women are more hypergamy so they wouldn’t date a man that has a career, if the woman is making 6 figures, it’s evident she will want a guy that also makes 6 figures or more, and let’s be honest there are not that many guys that make that kind of money let alone in general those people make a small percentage, and those men who do make that kind of money, let’s be honest they have options and usually go for the young beautiful trophy wife, not the “career women”, and since women don’t date down, they are left with a small percentage to pick from. Now for her sleeping around yes, no guy wants to be with a girl that has been around with many guys, but not only
does it make her look bad but that also will fall on the person she is with.
There is some nuance, but statistically true. Sleeping around is a biggie for me. I didn’t sleep around with more people than I can count on one hand, I expect the same from my partner. I’m also not keen on being the guy she “settled” for.
As for career, it’s a bit of a 50/50 bias. For one, women rarely will date down, and when they do the divorce rate skyrockets. Men usually say it doesn’t matter, but men don’t really have a lot to offer, and when a woman has options I’ve seen multiple cases of “he had no drive” and “he didn’t apply himself enough”.
True, women just don't want to admit it because it makes them accountable for their life choices. Few self-respecting guys wanna be the one to commit to the woman who spread their legs for a city block worth of guys. There's too many complications that'll show up long-term to be worth it. As for the career, career-focused women tend to have masculine traits that are unattractive to lots of guys. Not only that, if those women are in high-earning positions, chances are they will not want to be with a guy who earns less than her, because that would be "settling for less than she deserves" so their pool of guys is much reduced, limiting their chances of finding a guy.
Everyone has certain masculine and certain feminine characteristics. I’ve always been ambitious and independent minded with little compliance to traditional gender roles. So it has always been important to me to have a guy who was supportive of that, which means he can’t be too heavy on the protector and provider status, and he must be okay with doing his part in the kitchen and around the house, which is what I found.
Most females will say false, because they only see it from a females eyes, because she believes in getting a good job and money and during those 10 years or more years you will come across many guys who could be your future husband, but when you get old miserable, unattractive then you’ll realize you’re single and unhappy and wondering where all the men went, and then you become lonely depressed and desperate that now you’ll go for any available make to marry, plus men don’t want much , because you ain’t giving them anything so they go for younger women, because younger women have it all even tho they may/may not be working or finically well of, but because younger women are more humble easier to deal with more loving caring and can cook and clean and is
It’s because most of us don’t listen to idiots like you. Reality is reality, thank goodness so many men don’t think like you.
And than goodness most of us aren’t dumb enough to listen to bitter unattractive “older” clowns like you.
Have fun balding.
You're literally behaving exactly how he described such women
@Aphrodite801 smh, we know as long as speak the facts against y’all emotional ass we are fools and this name and that name while everything females say it right and men shouldn’t say anything against it
@Ex-Bri-Z so females are saying because I speak against what y’all say so you automatically assume I was rejected @Aphrodite801 and I can bet that none of y’all are in a happy relationship now
I'm married and have been with my spouse between dating/marriage for going on 21 years. I think I might have a bit of idea on how to make a relationship work, but please do go on with your 27 years of experience in just being alive to tell me how relationships work again.
I so do love a good laugh.
@Ez-Bri-Z hmm so that’s the only thing you notice about what I said, being in a relationship, but the fact that men can’t speak facts about what y’all say and calling us men names because we say something you emotional females don’t like
Pretty sure you were the emotional one by saying that you bet that none of us are in a happy relationship. You were wrong about that just as you are wrong about what you refer to as "facts". They are simply opinions of your personal preferences.
Plenty of women pursue a career and still find love when they are ready. Marriage rates have dropped specifically because both men and women are focusing on careers first. They choose to cohabitate rather than marry. I actually did a question on this site and performed research into this recently unlike your opinion here.
So no, I didn't just focus on one and if you want to refer to someone as emotional, I highly recommend you refer to your closest mirror. You have let your bias of your poor experiences result in lashing out in both your question and your response after.
I didn’t call you any names. You however made assumptions about my relationship status, career women in general and the shallowness of men on the whole who in your terms will refuse to date any successful woman because she isn't humble and acts like a personal servant to you.
If you crave a traditional marriage, then by all means, seek one, but do please keep your outdated ideas of what women should be to yourself and stop preaching to us what we can and can't do with our lives.
I'm sorry you weren't born 100 years ago where you could have had the control over women you desire. Catch up with the times before they leave you behind.
so basically women should not focus on financial security and become a slave to a man untill he is not attracted to her anymore, divorce her, leave her with nothing and go with the next younger woman or cheat on her... cause that happens quite often. Did you also know that the vast majority of parents in nursing homes are rarely visited by their family and die alone? Yeah so whatever path you choose, you are going to end up the same. The way you talk about "females" is so degrading, no wonder feminism exists.
@poof_22 I don’t understand how every woman think the same and talk the same exact thing, because questions close to those and y’all answer it the same about financial independence, slavery to a man, leaving his woman for a younger woman like wtf y’all hit head’s together or something, y’all females say the same thing over and over again
If we say the same thing, its probably because a lot of us have the same shared experience. It's a trend we see all the time. Hell, it is the whole reason alimony began to exist in the first place, but you are failing to acknowledge it and instead continue your campaign of blaming women.
I literally parroted YOURS and other mens ideals about women. Men consantly talk about the female wall, how she is damaged goods after a certain age, how y'all won't tolerate when your women acts "masculine". We women advice other women to ALWAYS have a backup plan because statistics show that the majority of domestic/sexual abuse that women face is done by THEIR partner and it's actual risk when you are completely financially depended on a man. This is a predatory world which is why we keep repeating actual FACTS about y'all.
Truer words were never spoken. Women can lie to themselves about it until they hit the wall, but at the end of the day what men want and what men want in a wife does not bend to your feelings. Today's modern women does not understand men at all, which is just baffling to me because we men are simple creatures. Men don't want a woman who has slept around and men do not give a damn about your career. If you put your career ahead of motherhood, men will not view you as a suitable mother. No-fucking-duh. You'd think that would be obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Most people (at least most people in the younger generation) don't give that much of a crap about a partner's sexual history (as long as there aren't any patterns of unsafe sex or cheating) but being career-driven can definitely be a problem for both men and women if they want any kind of long-term relationship. Both building a career and developing a relationship require a lot of time and effort, and those are things no one has an infinite amount of, so the more you put into one of them the less you can put into the other. If a person wants both, then they will have to prioritize and divide their efforts between them.
Higher salary comes from better jobs. Better jobs are found at better companies. Better companies provide quality benefits. Quality benefits usually mean better maternity leave.
A woman who decides to have children sitting pretty in a higher ranked position will no doubt be treated better, have more returning job security, and be in a financial position to take the additional 3 months family leave (unpaid). She may decide to, she may not, but the difference is Choice.
Sleeping with lots of people only matters to some people. Some people view it as additional experience and less emotional work (women dumping the ill effects of purity culture onto unsuspecting men).
Absolutely 100% true. Most Men don’t really care about ur career like u think they do. I mean I guess it depends on the guy. But if u ask me and I think most guys that’s probs what they’d say. I’m not interested in dating a 30 yr old woman no matter what degree/job she has. Maybe if she was like a billionaire and really attractive and really good in bed and we clicked super well but realistically there’s no job that a woman could have that would make me choose them over younger women. I’m only interested in starting a serious relationship with younger women.
I don't think career has anything to do with it. A wife is not someone who does not work or focus on her career.
I would help her with her career as much as she wanted and have in the past.
As for sleeping around, that is more likely to be a issue but not a guaranteed issue. All it does it eliminate guys that do not want her as a wife because she has slept around.
That is where it might be an issue as it seems like it is hard enough to find the right person but if you eliminate a good chunk of people out there, either through your own choices or by being very selective then your options get lower and can mean a life of being single.
Which may not actually be a bad thing.
It is not the politically correct things to agree with that statement, but that doesn't change the fact that it's definitely true. Here's why.
Promiscuous women are low value women when it comes to a mate. Men know this instinctively, and statistics show it is a fact... promiscuous women tend to make worse mothers, worse wives and they tend to be more unhappy in marriage and more likely to divorce.
Also, women in their 20s have most of the power in the dating game. They lose that power after about age 30, at which point many become desperate to find a mate and have children. This article sums it up very well.
https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/why-women-lose-the-dating-game-20120421-1xdn0.html
False. Getting married is easy. I could find someone on the street, drive to Vegas and be married tonight. Building a career is much harder to do. If a woman's partner (whether it be male or female) is uncomfortable with her pursuing a career, then maybe they aren't the right one for her anyway.
Not all women "RUIN" chances of being wives because NOT ALL WOMEN desire to be wives. Thus they aspire to be TRULLY INDEPENDENT. Not because they CAN'T get married and have their husbands take care of them , but because they DON'T WANT to get married.
Men often make the mistake of assuming that ALL women see marriage as an achievement but that was in the past (though for some women marriage STILL is the end goal in life).
It's a new era , women are more liberated and have a sense of self. Women know that their bodies belong to them and not to society. So if they want to be sexually active before marriage they can because MARRIAGE IS NOT THE END GOAL FOR ALL WOMEN.
Maybe those women arn't interested in becoming a wife. And no it isn't true at all, it's a personal choice in both aspects. Career and sexual experience have nothing to do with someone's potential for a committed relationship. Unless your materialistic, judgmental and don't have the ability to see what's on the inside of a person.
A lot of cum and aborted fetal blood
Stop being criminals then
you're a social criminal
I wish
There a small truth to it only cause some guys will consider that a deal breaker. I think you should just be cognizant of the type of guy u want. If you want a family oriented guy that hasn't slept with a ton of women. U should act in a family friendly way and not sleep around. However there dudes that are cool with it as long as you are cool with whatever in their history. Basically the cleaner the guy u want the cleaner u should act. Careers are hard cause life a balance. U gotta make time for a relationship but being successful and focus won't drive off secure men, it can scare insecure men. Also some men want house wives which is fair but if that not u , u should try to conform to that anyways
The cost of a family it sometimes that can rarely be met on a single income.
Also the whole question is made up of subjective terms. First "many women" how many is many? Are talk the majority of women or just a large number and if is it a large number how large 100,000 or 10 million? Second "sleeping around" how much sex with how many partners in how much time counts as sleeping around? Third "focusing too much" how much is too much? Do we messure it in hours worked? Do we count hours networking? Fourth "and" are we saiding the these women are doing both or just at least one of the two?
I'd say part of what you said is right.
well focusing on your career is cool and of course, it won't ruin your chance to be a wife.
but yeah sleeping around might.
coz nobody wants to be with someone unfaithful wether girl or guy.
it goes both ways
Well... I'm a wife to a loving husband and I'm super career focused and driven. So maybe some have this issue, but certainly not all women do.
I'm pretty sure guys dig a woman who's career driven instead of being a jobless housewife. (Which in some cases is perfectly acceptable if kids are involved, don't get me wrong)
I am going to speak for myself here, I'd sleep around if I was single as a pringle. If I don't want to date yet, then I don't want to date. Simple as that. If I want to focus on a certain career, then I am not going to let anyone get in the way or hold me back. Yeah, I may be ruining my chance of becoming a wife, but at least I'm enjoying freedom while I'm at it.
For sure many are reducing their chances. Some are ruining them altogether. No idea how many though since plenty aren't really interested in the first place.
But yeah--sleeping around definitely does reduce a girl's long-term relationship value. Career focus doesn't hurt per se, but it doesn't help much at all and it DOES take a tremendous amount of time and energy so in that sense it can reduce the odds of relationship success for a girl as well.
I think everyone knows this. It's just not p. c. to say it out loud. But smart girls who do well in their careers are well aware that it doesn't help them on the dating market like it does for their male colleagues.
THEIR Life to 'spend' as they see fit...
years they can NEVER re-live for the choices NOT taken.
Though adoption is not so much frowned upon, as once was.
( And the ONLY option for LGBTQ partners)
The Native Americans have a saying: "TAKE nothing but MEMORIES, ... and leave nothing but footprints"
the poll is very telling , guys split 50/50 , girls heavily say its false. i suppose a lot of girls sleep around when there like 18-20 so that stage of life is long past by the time there looking to get married usually mid to late 20's.
I think that if they focus so hard in one direction they'll let time past them by. People come and go but you also have to live. As a man you have to pick a side. Show her the support she won't forget you. If she makes time you don't take it for granted.
While careers have logically nothing to do with a person possible chance of marriage but constantly sleeping around with others might be it. What happened if you tried meeting a nice guy/girl who finds out your sexual pass, it would realistically worry them if the guy or girl is faithful or not.
False.
1. Men prefer woman who have their own independence so focussing on career is good. Also you can date while also focusing on your career. One thing doesn't prevent the other.
2. About the number of previous sexual partners... who the fuck cares?
Women who focus on becoming a wife, with no career, are extremely vulnerable in divorce as they have limited means of supporting themselves.
As a man I think it is very hypocritical that always has been to call a man that sleeps around with as many women as he can instead yet a woman who sleeps around and may enjoy sex as much as any man it was referred to as a s*** w****. If a woman wants to have a f******* life and enjoy a career more power to her.
Add to the list disfiguring themselves with tattoos, piercings (especially in the nose) and weird coloured hair.
There seems to be a contest among young women to make themselves as physically repulsive as possible.
Not so much the seeking career part. However there is a balance that needs to be struck between career and personal. This applies to men as well.
The sleeping around is different. No man wants a woman who sleeps around the town.
Promiscuity is a turn off to me for sure. But if she's career driven or not Idc so much as long as she likes what she's doing and not working over so many hours as I need my alone time with her.
Career is not the issue. It's just women aren't loyal these days or have a high body count that turns men off.
False. Only insecure partners who couldn't handle them would say so. :)
I don't know any women that are focusing "too much" on their career lol, but that's not a bad thing! Or many that are "sleeping around", and if so, probably aren't "advertising" it. That's not necessarily "bad" either, depending on her and the circumstances. Who doesn't like sex?
Lately, I think people remain teenagers forever. It used to be something that was only clearly seen in men, but now it is even more evident in women. People don't want to become Husbands or Wives and continue to behave at 20, 30, 40, 50 as they did when they were 14. It is not a question of study or career, it is a question of values in life, and current values are not adult values, but adolescent values.
Yes, they are good individually but destructive together. Women while young sleep around with bad boys, most good guys stay single and focus on their careers. Now that after a certain age and established career women want quality men with careers and will not date those bad boys anymore as they don't have carriers. Now the good men with careers can date young women who are more fun and without career burden as they had been ignored their whole life.
It's a circle of misery.
First, you know that both wen and men can sleep around while focusing on a good career right? The weekend and Friday night are for that.
Second, good guys get laid while they are young too. Any guy that takes care of himself and has some social skills can get laid.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 that depends, sleeping around is way easy for women than men, and men generally pursue higher careers than most women. Most high-quality and high-paying jobs require a lot of education and hard work at the beginning.
Not anymore. Times are changing. While both things you said are mostly true, is easier for women to have sex and more men persue high careers, that is dying more and more. Women today want to be successful in the workplace, in fact most management university students today are girls. And guys have sex easier due to hookup culture and women's sexual freedom.
by that logic what's the point of marrying a man then? It's very easy and quite common for women to become abused by their husbands/boyfriends when they are financially depended to them. I agree that men like younger women and I accept that but that gives me more reasons to become financially secured cause in less than ten years my husband may not find me attractive anymore and would either cheat on me or break up/divorce with me thus wasting my time either way.
@poof_22 Women like older women too. I have seen my friends dating 10-20 years older guys while being 20-25. It's not about maturity. Older guys are dumping them too after sex, but they will not date a not so popular similar-aged guy with less money. Plus women are always hypergamous even if they are not total gold diggers. Women with high education and money only look for men with similar or more status. But those men are happy to date less qualified women, so a lot of career women find it very hard to land on men of their desire.
Today women make more than their men partners in 1/3 of all relationships. A good chunk of women have no issue with a partner that makes less. My wife makes more than me.
There's a plathora of traditional and none traditional women. However, the thing is that marriage is not that beneficial to women as we think. Statistics show that even thought both modern couples that work the same hours and gain the same amount of money, women are still the ones doing the majority of household chores and childcare... so basically women work 24/7 lol If she wants to keep her standards high so be it cause she ain't losing much either way.
@poof_22 yes cause women don't choose the men who will share equal chores with them. Let's say I am a guy who can and will do equal work with you at home and outside. But I am seeing almost every guy that I know, doesn't do those stuff at all, yet their girlfriends love them like crazy. In real life, I have actually seen a lot of women lose respect if the man cooks, cleans, and sews stuff. One of my guy friends is getting married and I talked with his fiancee's a little back. She was very excited to take care of his man after marrige. That will make me wonder why I have to do much in mine.
I know a lot of women who wished their partner helped them with the chores, some even found it hot if they did that which is pretty sad Lmao Was their partner the primary privoder? If so their reactions would make sense since its usually traditional women who risk being financially depended on the man.
Those girls unfortunately end up with dudes that are usually not good , or end up settling for a guy they don’t love.
The career? Not necessarily, unless you are unbalanced about it. The sleeping around? Definitely. I don't know many men who would knowingly shop for used and damaged goods.
Nah, that's what misogynists tell you in order to shame you for making your own money and afford your own living and not be able to be taken a financial hostage (so that you are cheated on while he has a secret 19 year old sugar baby on the side, that he sees after work in the hotel).
Focusing on your career is never 'too' much. You are chasing your dreams and you surely have to give it all.
Rather than being gender specific, people who come from a traditional and cultured background would never prefer 'people' who sleeps around.
That aside, i prefer ambitious, career driven women. I and my people these days prefer women like that
if marriage is a goal for said women then yeah those have the potential to get in the way
Sleeping around is definitely not attractive and if she is too wrapped up in her career, that is not attractive either.
If they choose a good career I don’t see the issue there has to be a work-life balance in everyone and anyone life irregardless of gender. Sleeping around that part I guess that’s someone’s personal preference is a woman has slept with 3-4 men before she slept with me then so be it but I’d be more uncomfortable if she said a high number like 9-12 men. Even then even though it doesn’t seem like a lot in our heads it is. So be it.
It's true in some cases.
I was a person who got married young and started a family. I've definitely encountered women in their 30's who seem desperate to get married and have kids.
You just need to find the perfect schmuck for you to marry. Yes I know it will probably take some time. If it is meant to be some day, you will know it!🙏😇
Women can and do sleep around and it is simply fine as long as she is honest and safe. No double standards please!!
I don't think there's anything wrong with a career be it guy or girl so long as it doesn't consume you. You need to find that balance. But I do agree too many women ruin their life by sleeping around. If a woman has slept with a dozen guys before me why would I believe I was ever anything more than just #13 to her?
No, but once family is started, neither parent should be absent for so long from the house so as not to have any time for the kids.
As for the sleeping around part, it is what it is.
False. They are the ones who make the best wives for real men. It's weak men who will feel threatened.
This isn't as black and white as it seems as its all about who the people are.
Example a super hard working male lawer may also want to be partnered up with a hard working career orientated female.
Then again the same person may just want a house wife to raise children.
On the number of sexual encounters. Again it matters to some people and not to others.
Myself. I want a career driven partner and couldnt care if theyve been with 5 or 500 people.
If me focusing too much on my career is ruining my chances of being a wife, I'll happily stay single. And not as many women sleep around as people think
Absolutely true. Its almost impossible to find women worth marrying.
Sad how many men are simps. But then again this is why i have two girlfriends to go to bed with at night and most of these guys only have two hands to play with in bed.
Actually we go to bed with our actual wives.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 wow. An actual wife? Do you want an award? doesn't seem that special if dudes like me hit it first and walked away. But glad you're happy for now.
I am very happy that she was not a virgin when we meet. Virgins are boring. She also has a good career. Stay at home wives are boring.
@poof_22 well so you say but most women still want to get married and pester us men about it a lot
That's because the idea of marriage has been constantly shoved down our throats since the day we were born. The media, family and even the toys we grow up to grooms us to believe that life without marriage and kids is not worth living. I even thought I wanted to get married but it was never because I wanted to but I "had" to. Give it a few years, especially with the rising of childfree people, more a more women are choosing the single fun life.
@poof_22 you might think that but all the glad to be single women, once they get with a man who would make a good father they change their mind in about 5 minutes. I hookup a lot with girls who say they dont want kids and pretty much all of them change their mind if i keep seeing them. Like my girlfriend was 18 when we started dating and she wanted a career and never to have any kids at all. Then after about 2 months of dating she quit her job, moved in to be a homemaker and keeps telling me how bad she wants to start having kids. Smh. I've seen this happen a lot. My friends with benefits before her she said ik this is just fun and i know i told you that but actually would you want to get me pregnant or get married id be interested in doing either with you. And i got like 5 more examples that happened to me so i think girls might not know what they want tbh.
Again, social conditioning since birth. Women still believe in this idea of this loyal ideal man that will treat them forever like the queen that they are and that simply doesn't exist. I remember reading this article where it mentioned that single women are happier and less depressed longterm than married women and it makes sense, relationships and childbearing are exhausting and miserable.
@poof_22 yes but you think the social conditioning is like a soviet sleeper cell mind control word. Like they hate marriage then a guy is good to them and then bam they are obsessed with marriage? That doesn't really seem believable nor does anything im aware of condition a girl for marriage yet tells them to hide it at the same time. Do you have an example of that?
If they want kids then marriage is like a safety patch. It's assumed that the guy wants to be serious with her and be loyal and people like stability. And yeah, our world is pretty patriarchal and little girls are constantly brainwashed and groomed to believe that being a old single cat lady is a fate worse than death while men are encouraged to be free spirited and sexually adventurous even when they are saggy and old. You'll be surprised how much social conditioning can implement deep seeded ideals that are hard to get rid off, one example is religion.
@poof_22 but isn't it mostly women doing that? Most single old cat ladies either explicitly state they made mistakes or other women see them and decide that they aren't as happy as if they had had a family. Men only play a small role in this because for every man who pushes one way many others are telling girls to not settle down and just sleep around. Just look on this site if you need examples.
Personally I've never met a single old cat lady who seemed happy to me. Yeah some seemed fake happy but in my opinion i never saw one who seemed genuinely happy.
"Single women without children are often happier and healthier than men and married women with children, research suggests."
www.psychologytoday.com/.../why-many-single-women-without-children-are-so-happy
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 i didn't look because i believe such a study can be true. I just think most peoples experiences do not match. Like i said i never met a believably happy single old cat lady and i think many people agree. There are a few ways to explain this, such as they report it but its not true. Or it is true but people are unable to believe it for some reason. Two examples come to mind im sure there are others. I personally wouldn't bank on that study because like i said I've only seen very sad single old women so i will not encourage a woman to be like that.
Depends on your life experiences, a lot of older married women told me to focus on my career because marriage destroyed them. All I'm gonna say is that the majority of old parents in nursing homes are rarely visited by their family and usually die alone. Having a family is not a guarantee that you won't spend the remaining years and days of your life alone and deciding to create a family for that reason is pretty dumb. So telling someone that they are going to die alone is hella wack and screams of insecurity. We all die alone and if solitude already scares you, you're going to have it really rough later whether you have a family or not.
I would trust the study more than any personal observation.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 so you're the kind of person who believed the scientists when they said the covid vaccine had ZERO chance of any side effects or risk, later they have now come out and said there are risks. When dumb me who uses my observations that ALL vaccines have risks somehow was correct from the beginning. Smh.
The scientists never said that. They always said the side effect were negligible. And they are.
True. You whore around or you take your career to the extreme then why would anyone desire to marry you?
Better stay single if that's the case.
true, the personality these women develop make the unmarryable
Yet you’re the old and bitter gut on an app for young people. Hilarious, stay lonely.
Women are ruining their chances plenty of ways. I don't think focusing on their careers is one of those ways though.
How so?
@bamesjond0069 I think there are personality traits that tend to appear more in career oriented women than maternally oriented women, but I don't think that correlation indicates a causative relationship.
I see what you mean. I dont think thats the issue with career women though. I think most career women still share maternal traits, they just simply aren't home enough to cook clean and be low stressed or pleasant. Thats why i think any woman with a career could never show off her wife skills where an underemployed one (that is wife material) would have a spotless home, be ready to cook numerous different meals for you and be less stressed out and pleasant seeing as she won't have a high pressure work situation or stressed over paying bills. No reason a career woman couldn't do that except the career.
Not so much the second part. But definitely the first part
Sleeping around is fine,
focusing on career is the killer
im sure this is the fantasy incels all tell themselves after being rejected so many times. but it just ain't true
But I think there is some truth there in the in the question posed.
@KlinkyCoder where?
I don't know I get that feeling though. I don't entirely disagree with you either, I said there is "some truth" to what the title of this question says.
Neither of those have anything to do with being a good partner.
Didn't say partner. Said a wife.
They matter when it comes to finding a husband who will WANT to marry you.
It matters if you want kids (in my opinion)
Partner = gay. So if you're talking about gay relationships then you're talking about something unrelated to this topic.
No. Partner always equals gay explicitly or implicitly. Either you are specifically talking about gays OR you might as well be because you're talking about modern gender bending nonsense with the assumption the man acts like a woman or the woman acts like a man. Here you think neither sleeping around nor being obsessed with a career has anything to do with being a good partner. I agree it doesn't. This is because it doesn't in a gay relationship or a straight relationship where the man takes on feminine rolls and the female takes on male roles. But as the asker corrected you about WIFE it does matter then in a normal heterosexual relationship. If thats what you're talking about you wouldn't use a euphemism.
As i said basically its not a strange coincidence you think that AND call her a partner.
Like i said, it must be a strange coincidence that only people who believe that use the word partner. Smh.
Just curious... how much sleeping around is "too much" for a woman to be considered "wife material", AND, is that number the same for MEN?
I dont think its the same for men because men and women look for different things in a partner
Or value different things
So you're agreeing that a double standard does, and should apply, to who is good wife material and who is good husband material? Ok, so what are the acceptable numbers?
Give me some examples?
I think preferably none or close to it
So you think men value virgins or a girl with one or two partners at the most, but women are ok with men having... how many?
Why to be one mans while while she can be wife of multiple people.
And carrier is important for more reasons or something that earns them passive income
And too many men here are making fake pink accounts to bring us down lol
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