Let's just take a few examples to illustrate what I mean.
Long fingers nails are impractical and only make life more inconvenient for you. Aren't traditional women supposed to support a family, I don't see how that possible if you can if wipe your own ass
Tattoos are the biggest grievance in my opinion. At one point tattoos where only on criminals and sailors. So it funny that woman saw that as something they should adopt. While still wanting traditional men
And lastly leggings or any clothes that leaves nothing to the imagination. I understand what it take to be traditional but if started dressing half naked I wouldn't expect traditional results.
I don't know women complain that men objectify them and only use them for sex. But how Modern girls present to themselves is not traditional at all so the men only adapt and use women based on how they present themselves. But I could be wrong maybe a girl that has a body full of tattoos nails like dinosaur claws and dresses half naked can raise a stable family.
How come girls are so quick to follow trends but still want traditional results?
So, basically women shouldn't dress or do anything besides present themselves as ready to cook and clean and raise babies? Yes that's traditional, but how did that work out for our grandmother's? Horribly, cuz grand dad still had 3 secret love kids on her. She cooked, cleaned, was modest, etc and did everything a woman is "supposed" to do, and ended up used and abuser by the person she gave her all too.
THIS. Is the reality for most women. It doesn't matter how "perfect" or "traditional" u are, he's not gonna give the same effort and loyalty as u do. Remember Derrick Jaxn? His wife was super religious, modest, took care of kids so he could have a career and what did he do? Cheat on her constantly and embarrassed her in front of the world.
If we're being really honest, there's no benefit for women to get married anymore at all. We can do everything a man does for ourselves. Yet men will still come demanding everything from us while only willing to give breadcrumbs in return. The reality is men think they're a prize when they aren't at all.
U said reality is men think…. Blah blah blah So I’m sorry I didn’t choose to be a male or white person So u can’t blame all men because they didn’t choose to be men
How does that even relate to what I said? And y'all already do that lmao! You didn't even TOUCH on what I said u just tried to change the subject cuz I'm right and u can't argue it 🤣 if u gonna respond stay on topic boy
@JohnK123 u said my reply says "men think" WRONG. U didn't read at all and tried to pull out one part and try to discredit me. If your gonna speak then actually FOCUS on the entirety of the post and respond something intelligent
That was on topic, you said men always cheated so then I said maybe men just want to have sex with out commitment. Like the homosexuals do. So I asked if we as men can now have sex with you and you don't expect commitment.
That's not what u asked at all. And why does that even make sense to you? My point is that woman can give their all in a relationship and men will still cheat. And your reply is "so men can have sex with u with no commitment"? The dots don't connect at all. Anyone with any sense of morals would say "well then men shouldn't cheat" howevevr your response implies that instead of men treating women better, women should just lower their standards and be used for sex. Do u see why I called u a boy now? Cuz u are one.
Why aren't both people being used for sex? In lesbian relationship both people are used for sex. In gay relationship both people are being used for sex. But somehow in heterosexual relationships only the man uses the women for sex. Yeah your math doesn't add up 🤣
@7barbieringz The way intelligently and swiftly dismantled their fragmented arguments made me whisper, " if let me-slap-you-into-reality-was-a-person" Cause bay-beeeee you chopped them up onions with your stance. 😭
@chris_987 do u not understand what being 'used' means? Let me explain.. again. When it comes to using someone for sex that requires one person to be sacrificing while the other person is only benefiting. In MY example the woman is sacrificing her body, time, and life to a man/marriage, while the man continues to take from her while also stepping out of the relationship, therefore he's getting the benefits of being SINGLE and COMMITTED at the same time. While the woman gets no loyalty at all. If 2 parties agree to be friends with benefits and just have sex that's mutually beneficial for both... but cheating (which is what I was talking about) only benefits one side. Learn to pay attention.
I am the type who doesn’t jump into the fads and trends. I’m more of a classic traditional but still keep up with the new. I have a tattoo but is of great importance to me. And I will not get another one. I don’t do long nails 🤣. I just can’t. I think they’re unhygienic and inconvenient. I only wear yoga leggings when I’m out for a run 🏃♀️ or walk or quick errand but I usually wear a big ass hoodie over it 🤣 go incognito. I won’t be caught dead wearing them in public. But … to each their own. If these ladies want to wear them, their choice. No matter what a person wears, someone will get attracted to them. What kind of attraction is it? Only them will know.
How do you know if you went twenty years younger that you wouldn't be into these treads. Guys younger than me are into skinny jeans, when I was growing up if you pants where to tight you'd get made fun off. So we might have fallen to the peer pressure if we were younger.
It's because you can't treat women like one group. You're saying women get tattoos but want a traditional man, but not all women want tattoos and not all women want traditional men. Plenty of women I know don't have any of the things you mentioned, and they want traditional families. And others that have those qualities but don't want traditional men. There's also nothing about having a tattoo that makes you bad at raising a family
I'm just saying if tattoos was a sign of rebelling against the social norm then you can't see yourself as traditional anymore. Even models can't have tattoos because its associated with a kind of culture.
I see. Well in that case, I'd say that there isn't just a single norm. Women with tattoos are likely rebelling against norms relating to how they should look, but can still want to be treated with respect and have a committed relationship. Almost nobody is completely traditional, we all carry phones and use the internet. It's possible to have a traditional relationship while driving a car instead of riding a horse
long nails, tattoos and wearing leggings are really not a big deal, you're making it out to be something life changing. i sometimes have long nails and they're honestly very easy to deal with. my aunt has tattoos and she is the most kind, loving mother i have ever met. also leggings are not sexual at all, you just tried to find a picture of one that goes into the butt crack. men also raise families, so i guess in your point of view they shouldn't be allowed tattoos and can no longer go outside topless?
a lot of guys don't like long nails or tattoo. So we'll just have sex with a girl and not take her seriously. That's why a lot of girls get ghosted and don't know why. Image if you had no tattoos and didn't present yourself as someone that looks easy. Men would actually want to commit to them. But I'm just a random guy on the internet what do I know.
I am guilty of all 3 of those and I never sought a traditional man. I have multiple tattoos, so my nails in occasion and wear leggings and sun dresses religiously fitting the warmer months. Only things I ask for in my partner is to respect me and be honest and to put in the effort. That said, we both work and split the bills. As well as travel often and communicate often.
All that said, I'd you want a traditional woman, name sure you're a traditional man. The same applies for women who want traditional men. There are far too many of both who want it but don't practice it.
Also, tattoos have existed for 5,000 years. Not sure where you're thinking they only criminals had them
Yeah Aboriginal communities yeah. But if you looked back on any industrial commercial tattoos where generally done by the outcast of society.
But my question to you is don't you feel like a slave to these trends. Like if a new risky trend comes out like women have to go bald or grow there hair in there private parts. Don't you feel like you can't think on you own.
Do I try new trends I think look nice to see if I like them? Sure. Am I a slave to said fashion trends? No. There's a difference between just trying new things vs "omg Kim Kardashian just wore this thing, I have to have it!"
Speaking of Kim k, she brought in the whole ass shots thing and more girls are getting surgery because of her. Do you think it's a good thing to follow a trend like that
See now that's being more a slave to trends. And this is what's unfortunately sold to women. You have to look like her to look desirable and sexy. I have a small ass and other than doing squats, ain't planning on making it bigger.
I grew up with 'friends' telling me that big boobs aren't sexy. So in turn my self esteem took a but of a plunge and for a good while I'd want a breast reduction so I could look better. Self esteem plays a big part in what people will do to look better
So we agree then, if a lot of girls are starting to look similar like Kim k or some other celebraty they idolize. The we can agree that women have a problem succumbing to peer pressure due to low self-esteem. But how do we fix that. And why would women feel the need for validation more so than guys?
I've said it quite a few times on this app: we (women) are our own worst enemy. There's many men who shame women for how they look. But through my observation and experience, no one shames women more than women do. We're sold the lie that we have to look a certain way to be liked by desirable men, but women critique eachother very harshly. So then when those women go and (for example) post a photo in a bikini, they get that extra ego boost from all the guys commenting.
Don't get me wrong, I find nothing wrong with people sharing to to get those ego boosts. Validation can help with self esteem. But when it gets to the point where you NEED it to actually feel sexy, there's a problem
Yeah men like women no matter the century. There was a time where women would just let the bush grow freely and men would still eat her out. So we really don't care how a woman looks. There personality is what use to put them in the sex only zone. I honestly think women don't mind being in that zone.
it's not just about trends, some people genuinely like them and go and get them. I agree that really long acrylics are super inefficient but they don't last forever, and I know some people that can flawlessly live with them. They can literally wipe their ass like goddesses. And tattoos, lol okay- yeah, and there was also a point were small talk was considered very rude. That literally has nothing to do with the current fashion. And for dressing half-naked, man maybe its just hot out. If not that, it could be so they're feeling confident in themselves, not just bcs they are trying to pull in men.
also, I had a phase similar like this, it might not be who they are, just them trying to fit in.
But fitting in is dangerous because that would mean if you where in Nazi Germany you would try to fit in over deciding if something is wrong. I'm just saying it doesn't seem like girls are good at say what wrong vs what's right. Abortion is also a good example of that.
what in the world... brother we are talking about trends not Nazis. There is nothing morally wrong with following trends, but there is a hell lot wrong with Nazis, and I'm sure girls would see that. Abortion is a very debatable subject so lets not drag that in.
But you said girls do things to fit in, so there obviously not considered if it right or wrong. Like I said before tattoos and showing off you ass was bad at one point but the more girls started to do it, other girls did it because they wanted to fit in.
No it's basically if you dont stand for something you'll fall for anything. Name something that women are standing for right now. And you will not find women that oppose it with the same numbers. That's basically all I'm saying. So like maybe the slut walk or abortion whatever women are fighting for. There are no women that marching opposition to whatever girls believe in and that's a bad thing because women all seem to follow the same belief system. So it will be hard for them to rebel against themselves If they all believe the same thing
okay there is a difference between trends and political. some people just find it cute, not just because everyone is doing it. honestly there isn't much more to it
If I can convince you to do something that makes you uncomfortable how is not possible that I can convince you of anything. If you take the long fingernails the surgery and MakeUp into account. Girls will tell you that they don't want to do it, but they'll Blane men for saying we made them uncomfortable by setting such high beauty standards. There has never been a time where men stop messing with women even when they were hairy and had unibrows. We will always find women attractive.
My point was women have looked like everything under the sun an men still wanted to put his penis inside of them, so I forgot my point but I'm sure I made it several times.
you're annoying as hell. I bet you also want the times to go back to where women had to rely on men to open up bank accounts due it being illegal for women to do so on their own then huh? Dont like women doing what they want outside of the male gaze because that's how this is coming across. Let us live our life and simply adapt because times and social behavior will continue to change. If you dont like then go marry some parish lady.
every question on here is a man thinking that women exist to serve them. you keep demanding what you want from women. have you ever considered about what women want from men? what do you have to offer?
Just wanted to point out that not all woman dress and behave that way, I'm still very much a traditional girl. I still wear dresses, skirts, etc. I have no tattoos, piercings, etc. Wear light makeup, nothing heavy. Short fingernails, although I do paint and gloss them up because it's pretty.
Anyway, you can find ladies who aren't into the new trends of the modern era. If there's girls like me out there then I'm sure you'd find someone you can relate more to.
Oh no I was just making an observation, like there are a lot of nerdy guys that are into Video games and comic books, and there are a lot of guys that are into sports, those two guys are different. But I find that with girls there is no clear distinction between a girl that likes long nails and has tattoos. It just seems like if something is trending a lot girls will just jump on the band wagon. It just something I noticed.
Yeah, I can understand that. There's nerdy girls out there too that do the same, hell I'm one of them in that regard, I play my Nintendo Switch a lot when I'm not at work, I read manga too.
But yeah like, just because some girls are into tattoos doesn't necessarily mean she's going to be into long fingernails or etc. Jumping on the trend bandwagon though has been a thing that's not gender specific though, guys do it too, all be it with different things/hobbies. 🙂
I think guys don't tend to fall into treads as often as girls, there was a skinny jeans fad, but it was mostly for younger guys, I only bought them because they got rid of all the regular sized jeans
It may not be as common sure, but it happens from time to time. :) The last big craze I was into was the virtual pet scene back in the mid 2000's. Tamagotchis and stuff like that, cute backpack keychains, etc. 😆
I don’t want traditional results. I just want a partner who is good to me and doesn’t cheat on me (which I have). I do have long nails and sometimes wear leggings (who doesn’t they’re comfortable) but no tattoos and nothing too revealing.
Women are always victims of what's more popular, trendy and socially acceptable. It's in their DNA they can't go against it. It's like they don't have a brain of their own. They must do what the female collective tells them to do.
