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Women want the dating game to be rigged that she is always seen as more valuable, and the one who is in control. Women fear losing frame of being super desirable so they don't approach. They always want you to want them more than they want you and to have constant power advantage in everything. Essentially making you the lesser.
After all the one who loves the other less or at least appears to, gets most of the benefits in the relationship and has more control.
Exactly feminism and gynocentrism is trying to rig the dating, relationships and marriages to favour them like some form of sexual strategy.
I think it can be both their faults and other people's faults. I've been told I'm a nice guy as well as cute and funny by many but still never managed to get a relationship. The only times women wanted one with me I was either not attracted to them or they were super clingy (to the point where I couldn't have my independent life outside of them) or had major issues.
I don't think all women are evil by any means. There are good ones out there but sometimes the worst explanation is none. I take accountability for my actions but it's hard to improve yourself when you don't know what you're doing wrong.
I'm not going to lie, I've went out with only one guy that was trouble, We are still friends, but the whole thing was a disaster since my mom hated his guts and always but in to our conversations and drove us crazy, since then I dated guys who may not have the best looks but has the best heart, plus a guy with a big heart and is genuinly kind is very sexy to me I only dated the bad boy to try it out
Great MyTake. But true men and women both complain but a huge misconception is that its just men who are players. But to be honest both men and women have a history of equally bad parts. Its just though more common that guys get shamed worse for it. But hey thats how society works.
Shyness in males is related to having more femenine energies or Yin in Chinese. These men can be extremely good friends with a feamle but they lack the forceful male or Yang energies to impress the female to submit to them. In such a scenario, the shy man should seek friendhip with a female who has more yang energies as she will be able to compensate the man's lack of male energies. However, she will stay in control of the relationship and if a man has a big ego (subtle or obvious) the relationship will not work (Nothing to do with hormones or genetics).
Just my 2 cents about the age thing, when you mentioned 18 year olds:
One knows when he's gonna be forever alone from quite early in life. You don't need to reach your 30s, to realize that you're a bit different than everyone else.
Those 18yo, they don't go on their own cause they hate women.. they just can't get them even if they tried.
The real issue is that some guys are incredibly sensitive to rejection, and when girls fuck them off at a young age, they go into their shell and believe that all girls will be like that forever.
Yeah very true. Women of course do this as well... I think we have all heard ''men are all the same/dicks''... then a group of men saying... ''you just date douche bags''...
I think men are more sensitive to rejection because most (85% <- rough estimation)... are not desired by women in the same way as women are by men. In terms of: being approached, messaged on dating sites, checked out in an obvious way (when are very obvious in comparison apparently..). So the real insecure ones dont feel validated and when they get rejected they join MGTOW and stuff...
Women* (not when...)
@Jamesol1 Yeah, I get it. I have two brothers and I know what they have to go through.
Have you ever heard the saying "No good deed goes unpunished." ? That's how it feels for some of us shy "nice guys". And as a guy that's been single and constantly dissed on or used, and has been single for nearly 10 years I can tell you it's a real problem. And I get asked all the time "You're smart, funny, good looking, and charmingly awkward. How are you still single?" And to these people I say "I guess nobody is really looking for those qualities these days."
I always thought mgtow were guys who didn't make women the center of their lives and refuse to get married. I'm all for that. I like women but I'm not devoting my life to just getting pussy. I'm just living my life and refusing to get married because there are lots of women out there.
This is what decades of patriarchy have brought us. Men not being able to fight so once things get hard, they whine and complain and always blame other people for them not doing what the successful guys are doing. Men have been on top of the food chain, given slack for enough decades, so when more women stat wearing pants, men start to complain because they feel threatened and since they can't or won't step up their game to stay in the competition, they just antagonize others and whine.
If you go into the semantics of it, both phrases have the word "guy" whereas women may be looking for a "man," someone more mature.
It serves no purpose to place blame; it doesn't solve the problem regardless of who is responsible. If you take ownership of a problem then at least you can take steps to solve it. If someone/something else is to blame then there's nothing you can do.
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It's no ones fault.
Men today need to stop being pussies, before the women start getting dicks.
Women aren't going to be happy having to be the man in the relationship.
Also, stop with this victim-hood, it's pathetic.
Deal with it
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Who's to blame? Your parents. Simple. Good guys who don't get laid were brought up in environments with overly caring mothers or with lack of father figures.
I have to disagree with you.
My mother was very much in the background and my father was a physically and psychologically abusive sadist and a borderline psychopath.
I found myself in the situation of being a TFL before there was a term for it.
About the age of 30, something flipped a switch inside of my head and I walked away.
I decided that I would not stand in the way of the members of the female collective throwing themselves at various incarnations of the bad boy, or sundry other sociopaths. They deserved each other.
@cth96190 what is TFL?
True Forced Loneliness.
The term is used for men who want a female partner, but have been unable to establish relationships with women, or even casual dating.
@cth96190 ok. Well you proved my point. Lack of grounded father figure and you grew up lonely.
Brother, hell on earth always starts out with parents (or lack there of). Depending on your environment, you either slowly come out of it or you don't. A negative childhood is a chain reaction. It's starts with parents not equipping their children correctly. Then when they enter their developmental milestones, they fail them. Men that are shit in love failed their "attraction" milestones. Then the chain reaction follows through until you old and look back at what you have missed.
Mgtow is a reaction to feminism. It is the counter culture to the third wave of feminism.
It is a normal reaction. It happened in the ancient Roman empire as well. It will result in declining birth rates. The birth rates of Japan fall far below replacement rate. Mgtow is very big over there.
Writing mytakes such as these won't help i am afraid. The hard approach doesn't work.
Honestly, I think that the reason most girls go for the bad or playing-hard-to-get guys is because they want to have that struggle of being with a guy and sort of having him as a trophy. If a guy is too nice, the common thought would be that the relationship would be boring, or the guy would be too easy to get. Girls often tend to like to be in a struggling relationship, for reasons i have no idea why.
Almost disliked this until I saw the last sentence. I don't why they're like that either.
Personally, I'm not a fan of self-induced suffering, so I can't stand bad boys
My reasons for being mgtow is to protect me from misandry that was uncalled for and to get away from marriage because the divorce courts are unfair towards guys. Nowadays, I just do my own thing and don't have to worry about being in a relationship with a girl. Am I nice guy? Fuck no, I can totally be an asshole. Am I shy guy? Sort of but I can approach people and have a conversation with them.
I knew a guy who constantly bemoaned "the friend zone" and how hard it was to get girls. The truth was, he was a weird drunken creep (he wasn't bad looking at all) and girls that gave him a chance immediately regretted it.
How was he a creep?
I am a nice guy and I hate this because i am always friend zoned. then they date a jerk who breaks their heart and they "wish all the guys were like us" ... tell me your logic on that please.
One simple rule : Fuck back!.. Whatever fucks you... , if it's life, wife, enemy!, friend,.. And stop looking in past, assume your future as canvas!. And create an amazing fucking Orgy on it,.. That you enjoy remembering on your death bed!..
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