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I find this somewhat true. My boyfriend has been pretty stoked lately because he is making more than me now. I used to make way more than him. He also loves that I sometimes need help reaching things and opening a jar of something. Or when I am scared and need him to find whatever the fuck that bug was. So yeah, I think the Georgian man likes it when I am a Damsel in Distress.
But he has also expressed to me that he loves that I am independent and don't ask him to buy me things unless I really have to. He likes that I can take care of myself if he is not there to help.
So I think guys just like the balance of helplessness and being self sufficient.
I think, even though this MyTake might be difficult for some guys to process, it's really true. I've always valued the men I have in my life and been as good as I know how to the boyfriends I've had but I've never set them up as the center of my world. I'm certainly not about to cut having a partner out of my life, but it *is* important for guys to look at each woman as different, with different interests, standards & tendencies & not all as one hive mind. Especially as one out to get them. I'd never be part of an "all" like that
Nothing wrong with an independent woman that knows what she wants , but remains feminine , but the " Strong , Independent , Woman TM !! " that constantly proclaims this , tends to overcompensate & has a more masculine personality , also they tend to be negative towards men to at least some degree.
People who explicitly claim personality traits are pretty much guaranteed NOT to have those traits.
Think about it...
“I’m honest! You can trust me!”
Would you do business with someone who said this?
“I’m very intelligent”
Do you think this person rlly IS mentally brilliant... outside possibly some very, very narrow academic field, if at all?
Etc etc.
The SELF-DECLARED “strong, independent” women generally tend to be neither of those things.
@redeyemindtricks
I second that observation! Very True!
@redeyemindtricks These types tend to be full of shit & best avoided , agree with your summary !
Yah.
This isn’t just a problem with women, by the way.
@redeyemindtricks Mine was a gender neutral comment , plenty of dickhead males too. Sadly , decent , straightforward people are few in number.
I meet lots of them, actually. Lots and lots.
At least 95% of what I GET from people is a reflection of what I GIVE.
Agreed. I live around douchebagmania. And see the corporate manbots puffing all day and night about their deals blah blah. You'd be surpirsed back in 2007 it was like a 20-30 milion dollar deal they puffed about , today they are talking 200-300 million dollar deals, lol. Oh they are all broke, but the credit card works and the strong and independent women love em for their BS. I can't really go there since I live in the real world and know how deals work and know how hard deals are to put together, how long it takes and the complexities of it all , including getting screwed over or the economy tanking in the end. Anyway the girls that say they are strong and independent are not.. The douchebag guys that all talk about money to impress these women are not real men but rather "Simps" as they are referred to. They don't get the fact that whatever game they are running is to impress a woman who is looking for a man who looks like they have cash.. But really both sides are fakes, lol.
Nonsense. Women no matter how strong or wealthy or smart tend to want a man who Is overall better than they are, it's a biological breeding instinct within women. That's why a young successful, well educated, tall and handsome male does so well with women here in New York, we high quality men and pick and choose because most New York women in their 20's won settle for less until they hit the wall in their thirties
Mate, I don't want a man.
@RachelleDraws then why a take about men?
Curious.
Ehhh, there's a *little* bit of truth to this but it's also wildly overgeneralizing of course. The term "feminazi" is also pretty stupid.
@Anon-ymous1 yep wildly over generalizing. Where do they even get the idea that all non American women are completly innocent and all American are wild. I've met goody toe shoes and wild girls in every country I've been to
Mate if you think non American females are not wild trying going to France.
@itwasmelaniasfault who said anything about innocent, I'm talking about decent and respectable as well not to mention non-obese.
doesn't change the fact that there are trashy and non trashy everywhere. You should travel more.
I never had any problems attracting men by being more of this type of women. Only low value men want women who are weak and dependent on him. I've been with my man for 10 years and he love, respects, and appreciates my intelligence and ambition. And I respect him more for that.
What is a low value man?
@RealManAdvice A man who doesn't deserve what he asks for in a woman, a man who wants a woman to be weak and dependent on him so he can make the post of being the more powerful partner, for example.
*make the most of
No, no, no... regardless of his beliefs that is actually a high value man. That is a man that is willing to do what it takes for his woman and children, and break his back so they can have things. Hell, I'm not even there yet. I'm low value. I think a woman should make her own money or contribute somehow to the relationship on top of pleasing her man, lol.
@RealManAdvice I mean in the way that a man would keep her down so he can take advantage of her.
That is called a narcissist and there are more women narcissists than men. Right now 1 in 3 women is a full on narcissist. Dangerous human being to a man. She can destroy a man for life. Men that keep women down exist but that's a mental problem that they have and yes of course there are some men like that but these are sick men that have no place in this conversation. Just like the sick women that are being created by the media that jump on the strong and independent bandwagon. Hey , if you want to pay for dinner , you want to chase me for a date, you want to buy me drinks, you want to pay and take me on vacation, you want to move in together and pay the rent, you want to buy a house and have me move in and you pay the mortgage.. I'm ready ! Where do I sign up?
@RealManAdvice I don't really want to do all that for a guy, then he's getting a free ride. I just think women should also contribute. I also think she should have her own money and resources in case he wants end up being a shitty partner or dumps her, then she can pick up and leave right away. If she's depending on him for survival then she has a problem getting away from him.
Ah, but then a man traditionally is supposed to go and do all that and when he doesn't come through for some reason he isn't strong or a good man. When the wife decides to dump him , and here's the rub... 75% of all divorces are initiated by women. That's serious. So your fear of being dumped is only 25% and a man's fear of getting dumped is 75% . Here's the next rub.. A man has no power in the court system. He get's dumped, the woman get's the children , the house, child support and alimony. An unprecedented amount of women out there right now as we speak as single mothers that initiated the divorce that the man did not want and the man is paying for it. Here is even more. A man with alimony , child support and in debt because of a wife that decided to stray & divorce is now considered low value for any future prospective women because of the baggage and debt he is carrying. A future woman is jealous and upset that his money is going to his ex-wife and kids. He is now a zombie.
@RealManAdvice There are things that are unfair to men, like in the court system, and I think that has a lot to do with why anti-feminist men have become so obsessed with male power and dominance. They don't want to make things fair either. They want the power back in their favor. It's easy for me to spot the difference between men who want better fairness and balance between the sexes and men who have declared war on the female population.
Isn't feminism declaring war on men, though? Come on, how many feminist nazi's do you have out there. Watch TV commercial's men are made out to be fools and along with the new sitcom shows. This is whats happening. The cost of living has gone through the roof. Homes in some cases are as much as 10 times more expensive than the 80's. Tuition for schools is up 5 x more than the 80's. Food , cars, clothing, drinks , dinner etc.. The same. Salaries though are not up 5x or 10x. This makes having a family a very expensive undertaking. This is a big investment of money, time and effort for a man. Men, just don't want to take that risk since it could throw their whole life out of balance for decades if the woman drinks the feminist kool aid and decides to divorce. Also, way too much pressure with any woman that follows friends on facebook and tries to emulate the lives of others. That used to be called "keeping up with the Jonenes" Today it's on steriods with the evolution of Facebook.
@RealManAdvice Men *never* had to fight for their right to vote, drive, work outside the home, wear pants, be seen as anything other than personal property to women and 2nd class citizens in the world. In my opinion, women should have been more aggressive in their war against this. Way more aggressive.
Ok, then women should not be rating men. Why are women rating men. Low value, High Value in regards to their income. Men never cared about where a woman worked, what car she drove, her education level , etc.. Men looked at a woman, she was attractive, they got along , fell in love and moved on.. So why are women, valuing men if you want to be like a man? I'll tell you why because your a woman and you are biologically programmed to after the male that can support you and your children , that's why. I'm with you all power to the women, let them start supporting their men. Hell , I don't want the pressure of having to constantly produce money and work and come up with new ideas to make money. I'll take a woman who will support me and LOVE IT! They don't exist. If a woman is supporting a man she it bitching all day long.. to her girlfriends and any human that will listen. Men don't do that. They are proud to support their wives if that is their position.
@RealManAdvice Men have always been seen as providers and protectors of women once a woman leaves her parents home. Men pride themselves on being providers and protectors, that's why women started caring about his income. If a woman isn't going to work outside of the home and is staying in the house all day with kids and doing all that wifely stuff, then of course she's going to want a man who can give her the most.
Now this isn't my preference. I prefer to make my own money, and and he makes his own money. I was never a woman who wanted a man's money or protection. I want his respect and appreciation. I believe more women should qualify a man based more on his attitude and behavior, not his income or status.
I am in full agreement of your statement that women should be valuing a men on his attitude and behavior and not his income and status. That is where the imbalance comes in right now. Women are making money and many are making more than men, and they still want a man that makes more than them and want him to pay for everything. You should be passing your message along to all women. A relationship is not that complex. Woman likes a man, man likes a woman , sex is good, you get along, and that's it.. move it forward, have a relationship, have fun, enjoy. You both work, you both got money, what's the problem.
“…by being more of this type of woMAN”. Woman is singular, women is plural. I figured your self-stated intelligence would have understood the difference.
Phew, good thing I know 'strong' is a euphemism for belligerent, uncooperative, bitchy, arrogant, and a generally insufferable person.
I know plenty of women who have their shit together but still attempt to be kind, pleasant, and aren't SO full of themselves enough to say "I don't need X." As if half of your income is from your own labor lol! Alimony and child support from 2 ex-husbands, several boyfriends who buy you things, living in your parents 2nd house, several government programs = "independent, don't need no man."
find me an independent woman who's independent of gov't and I will marry her today
I don't care. I'd rather be single and successful than drop my education just to get a husband. It's other my fault if you're not more qualified than me. I worked hard. I already hear that I'm too talented for most boys. Well, good. Queens don't compete with hoes in dating.
Fair enough.
calm that ego just cuz u have a partner doesn't mean your a drop out lol
@altair212 What is it with ego? I'm saying what is true. I'm not an egoist, I'm rather ambitious.
There gets to be a point where you go from "I want a man as ambitious as me" to "I'm too important to be burdened by someone else's needs".
@Investigator IT is not about being ambitious, it is rather about being supportive and committed. As long as he has no problem with me and we are both doing well, then why not?
But if any man isn't doing that, then the ones remaining are definitely weak. I don't want a weak man.
Most men have no problem with girls who are ambitious, intelligent, have opinions etc. That's quite attractive. No one would want to be in relationship with someone who's lazy and stupid would they. However what people (not just men) do have a problem with is people who are arrogant... You know.. The type of people who say things like "I already hear that I'm too talented for most boys" and refer to themselves as 'queens'... lol...
@Kkaos I know. The fact is, I only mean to say that I would rather be single than end up with a terrible husband.
I don't care what the when tired old is up to. I don't live to impress men. The entire population is half men and I'm not bound to please such a big demographic. I don't even want it among my peers. I will have one and only one husband. As long as HE is loving, supportive and committed, all is good in the world.
XDD lmmfao
Yeah, hold onto that princess. You''ll care soon enough when one of those guys you're partying with looks at you sideways through a good drinking buzz with that, "WTF? Is she serious?" look. Then he unfolds he arm from around you and turns to Mimi, who is not trying to engage him in a Geo-Political discussion, but is laughing with a drink in her hand.
Here's some advice guys about women who refer to themselves as "Queens", which by the way every Shaquisha & LaReeRee labels herself: Turn & Run. Don't walk. Run!! She has NO father, or she hates him because her mother trained her to. Either way, she has NO experience with men!! No brothers, uncles, or even older male family members who could disillusion that oh-so-false & overused title. Treat her like Jordan Peele moive and "Get Out!" lol
@TrickyTrollingTroy I don't drink or party, even when I do it's with girls only.
I'm not looking for a relationship as for now. I have to focus on my studies.
I have an amazing father, a brother, a brother-in-law, cousins and uncles and friends.
Nice try.
“Queens” lmao 🤣. You realize the irony of your use of that term right?
@Westb87 clearly you don't know how to treat a woman like a queen and are just projecting
And you answered with deflection. My point stands.
@Westb87 and mine towers, what now?
"it is rather about being supportive and committed", okay, but on whose terms?
It is illogical to suggest that two people can simultaneously have their way exclusively AND reach a compromise. Someone's desires HAVE to take priority. "As long as he has no problem with me and we are both doing well", are they going to find problem with you? Do you not believe there is anything about your personality that needs improvement? Also, a group of two people can absolutely be "doing well" publicly but actually be a mess when no one is looking.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but rather than saying "I want a supportive partner, who takes my input into consideration in equal proportion to theirs", the insinuation seems to be "I want a partner who gets out of my way, when the mood suites me, but is otherwise there when I need them", where the "but" is simply a mild consolation, in the guise of "humoring them", and no follow-through is actually intended.
In summary, you're not above valid criticism, are you?
I'm pretty independent and can do pull ups. Haven't got any shortage of attention from men.
I don't mind paying stuff for others (as long as I feel like people aren't taking advantage of me) because I often can afford it better than my peers. I inherited some money, invested it in shares and doubled it, while studying in uni. I have no idea what to do with it so I just leave it...
It's not an amount that would buy me a house, but it is an amount that can let me finish my studies without a huge dept, given that I also work on the side.
Most people don't know this as I'm a bit ashamed of it; I didn't do anything for it after all.
Wait till your 35 , you'll start seeing a shortage lol
It depends what you mean by “strong woman” I won’t mind dating a woman that has a good career and can fix stuff. I won’t date a arrogant woman who looks down on men because she has that “males vs females” mentality.
Let me destroy--deconstruct the running notion behind this piece of idioc--... this opinion.
3 things a woman will never touch:
A shovel or ax
A rifle
and a lawnmower.
If you are not willing to use those items, there is NO WAY IN HELL anyone else will, then pass control of the benefits onto you (women).
Smart ladies, dismiss this B. S. And know your role.
Odd I own & know use all 3 of those things you say a woman will never touch!
Well, I've never touched an axe, that's true. But I use a shovel in my garden and I have shot a rifle ( it's pink). No to the lawn mower too: I have garden, not grass.
I've been with women that didn't know how to boil water to make a cup of tea.. Honest, no lie. I was with another one that didn't know how to make ice cubes. Yep, speaking the truth. This is how spoiled and entitled these women have become. Shovel , ax or rifle? Lol, forget about it!
@RealManAdvice well as far as that goes, I can do a good bit better than boil water and make ice cubes.
@Bell44444
Hey if you can heat up pizza then that's a positive! Honest! Some don't even know how an oven works..
@RealManAdvice I can make the pizza and I ran a poll on this, there are a decent amount of women who can cook as well. At least they claim so.
@Bell44444
I only dated one that knew how to really cook. Other than that it was take out and eat out. But keep on making that pizza! That's a plus for you for getting the guys. All men like pizza!
@douride2, Ofcourse you have dear. And I'm sure you're happily married too. >eyeroll<
Sarcasm noted.! LOL hahahaha
how is it you women say "you do you boo" ?
you want to earn more than me and stuff of go for it more power to you i actually think its great you can pull your own weight heck ill even respect it
that being said no one is forcing you to make them 6 figure dollas have a nice house and stuff but if a woman has to not be an independent woman but a "strong women" to me personally she dont come across as an attractive person but as a narcissistic control freak who wants a pet not a life partner from what my personal experience has been meeting some of these types
I have to disagree. They will treat their pet better than you, so you are wrong there. Basically what they want is a doormat not a pet, so they can wipe their feet on. These types of women will put you in a category where you live under a rock. They will suck all the energy and life out of you and yes, yep, I'm gonna say it, if you do better than them they will get jealous, hate you for it, and do everything they can to de-rail your success. Some don't even know that they are doing it but they are. Again, never get into mind battle with these, they will say things that will throw you off. Just laugh and walk away and never ever take anything they seriously. Repeat , take nothing seriously. Even if they tell you they love you, do not take it to heart. They don't love you. They hate you. There are more and more of these crazies created daily, so it's a tough battle to find a nice one.
@RealManAdvice
oh no doubt they can do try that stuff i have seen it happen
but o do encourage them to do their own thing and life they wanna live that way go for it i know it to avoid it all my good friend and better my situation and trod along my merry path so far in life so i am all sorted
You're making generalizations here. All kinds of men like all kinds of women. And vice versa. But I see what you might be trying to say. Men get the impression that when women mention "money" or "tall" or "strong", they mean only those things. But depending on the women, she may actually be thinking in the long-run involving a relationship. A decent income is necessary to sustain happiness, single or not.
And to your point, people of similar qualities attract one another. Dependant men may be intimated by independent women, but why would an independent and strong woman intimidate a guy of similar qualities?
strong woman is the traditional family woman. strong woman has nothing to do with what feminism brainwahshed you it is... .
Exactly. My grandma never had a job, she had 9 kids and raised all of them well, feeding them, keeping the house clean the clothes ready, everything for the kids. She has busted her ass for them, and raised very successful people. Now that is a strong woman.
@Yayeet what you described is literally IMPOSSIBLE for most modern women. myself included. we are too "sensitive" and spoiled to do what your grandma did. she was a heroine.
100%. Raising a family is true feminine strength!
I agree. I have never needed a man and know what I want out of life. I am money motivated and driven, and that has always thrown men off. men like a woman who will do whatever they want such as; cook, clean, be a mother to TONS of kids, etc.
That has and never will be me. I finally have a man who is on the same page as me and loves how I don't conform. True men do not like traditional women.
they like women who are unique, and have a mind of their own
A real man doesn't care what a woman does as long as she does for him. Period. If your doing for him , he will do for you. Uh, as far as a traditional woman , cooking and cleaning, that animal hasn't been around for 30 years or more. Not sure what your talking about there. That's not what the conversation is about. We all know most women , do take out, eat at restaurants, want a nanny and can barely keep their apt clean and neat. Us men know that already. That's not the issue here. The issue here is a woman putting herself on pedestal because maybe she makes a few dollars and the man has to bow, respect and kneel to her. Which is not what a woman wants anyway from a man. They just think they want that. This is the what is throwing everything off balance. I could care less about a woman's past, how many sexual partner's she had, what she does for a living or whatever, as long as she has her act together and does for me as I do for her , it's all good.
@RealManAdvice
and that is why you are single.
you clearly enjoy traditional women because you are incapable of handling anything more.
carry on
Lol, and what's wrong with being single and having your choice of whatever woman you want to sleep with? Now, whose being traditional. Sounds like your the one being traditional imposing a belief that a man has to be exclusive or attached to a woman to have value. I'm fine being single , been doing for my own since I've been 8 years old. Not much I need a woman to do for me except have sex. How exactly are you unique anyway.. That's a tall order for a woman to be unique and a non-conformist. I actually like women like that , but I know for a fact that is not you.
“True men do not like traditional women”. Oh? Please elaborate on what you consider to be “true men” and what you consider to be “traditional women”.
I'm sorry to break the news to you, but if you feel you need to write two pages about how strong you are, you ain"t. You're just posturing and sounding desperate.
Strong people don't write about how that do things, they simply do things.
Amen!
I don't think most men have an issue with independent women. We don't want Physically strong women, no. That is disgusting. But "strong" women are amazing and I have never heard of these men that you claim have issues.
Look I don't believe in extremes and don't find them ideal.
Also I don't project an ideal to be adopted by every pair...
I think everyone has a certain combo that matches with someone else.
That same combo might not work for you though.
So in the end, this male/female =leader/follower stamina isn't a golden rule but more of a flexible dynamic that can't be really defined by a set of criteria.
uhmm as I can say even I can finance myself and so on another, but I still want someone trusty and always share a stupid things with me by his strongly mind also body to me. For another factors I won't let it effect to our relation at all except moral concern that we are respect in different of each culture and no need to change, all would be in the middle line.
There's no need to warp it into "They just want to maintain their superiority!"
Some people prefer to lead in a relationship..
Others lean more towards the support/co-pilot "role."
Just that most of the former are naturally guys.. and most of the latter are naturally girls.
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You're an exception.. which is fine. But to put all guys who AREN'T exceptions into the basic category of "tradition freak" isn't entirely accurate.
"If a woman no longer has to be tied down to a husband and a set of kids"
I still fail to see how it is in any way progressive for a woman to not want children. How exactly is it progressive to want the species human to die out? Because that's what every single one of you are doing.
And before you say "marriage has been oppessive" - would you rather have been overpowered and impregnated and then dropped and left alone while being pregnant in the middle ages and before?
In a world of over population, not wanting children will not kill humanity. Wanting children however might kill humanity in the long run.
@Frubble
European fertility rate that is averaging 1,7. Aka europeans die out. That has NOTHING to do with overpopulation. So explain me again how that is in any way progressive.
You think these people think past their own wants and desires? Were talking about people who can't decide what to eat, SUDDENLY decide they want kids at 36, and have a 3 closets full of clothes but 'nothing to wear.'
For the Europeans, they're still pretty white and rich so to them 'meh' what's wrong with inviting bass ackwards cultures and barbarism in by the hundreds of thousands a year? The shitty part is women will totally abandon the men from their own cultures and submit to Islam because of their survival instinct. Its the very basis of ancient civilizations. Dominant empire invades, kills the men, conscripts the boys, and the women a̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶a̶k̶e̶n̶ become wives. As in they willingly bang the dudes who murdered their husbands to save their own asses.