- divorce court rulings are a result of a time period in which women did not work and had the primary responsibility of raising children. It's outdated but fixable
Fixable but Feminists will fight it every step of the way.
- false rape charges are difficult because of the nature of the crime, but false rape charges are actually exceedingly rare.
and framing someone for murder is even rarer, you won't get away with the latter and there won't be protests if a court tries you for it.
- #METOO is a legitimate movement showing the universality of sexual assault and rape amongst women, It didn't start to claim all men are rapists.
Ehhh no, it is claiming we're all POTENTIAL rapists and it has become a dogpile with a lot of questionable accusations that will never be taken to court.
- the Domestic violence shelter thing and jail time does shit me though, I believe this is a legitimate problem but it has roots in a very patriarchal way of thinking
and you wonder why nobody likes you people. "My problems are all your fault and your problems are also all your fault". What you call the "patriarchy" isn't a thing, it makes no sense. That's like saying a plutarchy hurst rich people.
"It's actually not productive to blame feminism because a large amount of your issues stem from the older way of life."
i guess this also means that is not productive for black folks to blame the KKK for oppressing their race.
" Swearing off women does nothing but make you more bitter, and prone to generalise 50% of the population. If you really cared you'd try to petition, talk with parliamentarians, make charities and groups supporting your cause that could actually do some good."
you're failing to understand that MGTOW IS NOT A MOVEMENT! we are not mras, we don't want the approval of society. we already chosen to fight our problems by just separating ourselves from our gynocentric society.
"Yes single households are not ideal, but until you perfect the human race, there is always gonna be a problem."
we are well aware it will never be perfect therefore we have chosen not to waste our time and effort on it.
"you can't just instate policies that force people to speak in a certain way without being authoritarian. "
this is exactly what women have been doing. using sex and children as collateral to manipulate their spouses for economical benefits.
Honestly, I could be called a MGTOW, but I don't call myself that. I've seen some of their videos, and for a group that wants to opt out of society and the rules and expectations placed on them, they sure have a lot of rules and expectations you have to follow.
I treat everyone the same, like a man, and women hate that.
I've said many times on here, do what makes you happy, and fuck what anyone else thinks. I live my life the way I want to. I don't need or want your approval, to impress you, or make you happy.
I'm not bitter or angry at women, nor am I lonely. I am pissed at this system that has been created.
If that makes me a MGTOW, IDGAF. It puts me in good company, Plato, Newton, Tesla, and Leo.
Hold up right up there. MGTOW doesn't have any (rules) what soever. MGTOW has suggested guidelines to help men with no agreements what soever, you ignore those guidelines all you want and at your own risk to what women are capable of doing to you. MGTOW could care less if you don't following the guidelines. Every MGTOW man chooses his on way of pursuing MGTOW. I don't know where you got your.
Men were socially conditioned to be providers and protectors by women and the state - for the benefit of women and the state. You weren't seen as worthy of love or affection as a man if you couldn't provide for and protect women and the state - but rather as a social outcast. Men were socially conditioned to be human sacrifices in war by women and the state. As a man, you were branded a coward for life and thrown in prison if you objected. That's literally human sacrifice.
I will limit to the extent possible women's and the state's legal, financial, psychological, political, spiritual, emotional and physical power in my life - for both entities see me as a disposable utility. I will not comply. I will not get married. I will not father or raise children in this gynocentric, anti-male world.
Half of all marriages end in divorce, single mothers get money from the government to raise their bastard children. Stop pretending these are just isolated incidents, the big picture is that the Western nuclear family unit has been decimated and replaced by welfare but it doesn't make anything better, infact it makes things much worse.
I'm not MGTOW, it's just worth noting that these things play into something much greater than themselves Fun Fact: 75% of divorces are initiated by women
Why is it feminism creates a situation, lobbies, petitions, pressures politicians, etc. Then comes back and blames the patriarchy for their actions. Yes feminism is directly to blame for unfair court biases, lack of domestic violence services for men, the definition of rape to exclude male victims of female perpetrators, biases within the criminal justice system for domestic violence, etc. You can't create a situation, then come along and say that you're the solution. That's like a firefighter who starts fires,
Feminism can not expect others to ignore it's history, just because it's inconvenienced by its own actions.
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I'm not MGTOW because l don't hate women, but I'm aware of the underlying causes for the movement. I don't bitch about women, but l will call it like l see it, which is: women are a horrible source of info on female behavior because most don't know why they do what they do, or are completely unaware that they're doing it.
So l simply do my own thing, being careful to watch for the warning signs of those behaviors and motives that are unacceptable to me. I don't let people into my life who have a history of using others or taking them for granted because I'm a giving person who is looking for REAL friends and relationships rather than fake facades with ulterior motives.
Basically, some men feel excluded and unloved , and because society pressures them into macho stereotypes of never admitting any emotion or weakness, even to themselves, you get this dumb as shit movement where these guys double down into an already unhealthy frame of mind as if to say
"if I can't get the female attention and affirmation that I biologically desire
Then I'll just turn inward and give myself that affirmation with more of my own masculinity."
Guys, its ok. We get it. You don't have to hide your feelings and try to act like nothing hurts you and like you dont have emotions. Dont push people away, open up and talk to someone.
Its really not that simple. #1 you're right men are forced by society to keep things to themselves always stay strong etc.. and it takes a toll on a mans mental health. But MGTOW is much more than that. It's a realization that as a man you are always being used by a woman in one way or another and not only financially but emotionally to stroke her ego to elevate her status fulfill her desire to marry and have kids etc... help her raise one of her fatherless kids she decided to have with a scumbag at 16 the list goes on. And on top of all that women are less faithful now in relationships now than ever before. Its pointless for a man to follow the path society expects them to because it statistically ends in divorce heartbreak financial loss legal issues and emasculation. Women initiate 90% of divorce and 75% of married couples divorce. Those numbers should be enough. Its because no matter how civilized we become as a society we are still animals and women are always looking for the
Strongest male to mate with. They do not factor in. morality and honor very often. They are often masters of mental gymnastics justifying their shitty behavior with something like "well he was taking me for granted... Im a narcissist so I deserve better I deserve to be the center of his universe so I went on a date and hooked up with a new guy but its okay cause I was going to leave him anyways." Because of their desire to climb the ladder through hypergamy coupled with a tendency to emotionally reason as well as justify shitty behaviour on their behalf infidelity is pretty much a garauntee.
@questionsWanswers It's not easy to find someone to talk to. People are quick to judge in many places. Did Michael Jackson deliberately overdose on the medicine that killed him? He was an ideal candidate for such, as he was judged and ridiculed for most of his life. Every aspect of his life, from his physical features to his unique habits, was fodder for cruel jokes. Then you have the child molestation accusations. They can be said to have effectively destroyed his career.
This isn’t right. MGTOW guys actually don’t hyper embrace masculinity, they abandon masculinity and gender roles and just say ‘fuck it.’ I’ll just do what I want, even if it repels women, and they can go fuck themselves anyway.
Mgtow guys tend to be the neck beard guys, or the fat guys, or the guys that have obsessive hobbies like building fish tanks or building race cars, guys that like anime or are super geeks who enjoy video games too an extreme, maybe the guys who compete in magic or yugioh trading card game tournaments. They are the ones who were rejected for being their authentic selves. They just hate being hated for who they are, and would rather be themselves than fit into what they consider to be jackass mainstream personalities. In fact, they consider most average guys to be jackasses.
Personally I don’t agree with either MGTOW or 4th wave feminism but I can kind of understand why MGTOW guys feel the way they do. As for feminism, it isn’t actually doing anything to help men. All 4th wave feminism is doing is trying to reverse gender roles and “empower” women at the expense of men.
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Fun fact: Actually first wave feminists and the progressives of the 20s and 30s came up with the idea that women are morally superior. Mostly out the late 19th century's love of the middle ages (where yea that was a product of a misogynist culture). But basically the early women's movement was all about how Men should stop drinking etc, because of some bad eggs who got drunk and beat their wives. In the end, we gotta remember that we're all human, we all have struggles, and it doesn't matter if you have a dick, or vagina. We are people, and we've gotta just love those around us. It's not worth wasting your time being angry at women or men or whoever. Because in max. 60-70 years I'm gonna be in the ground anyways
That’s actually not true it was born during early Christianity. It allowed women to have some precedence at some place in life within their heavily misogynistic world.
Pre-Christian European societies were actually quite egalitarian in comparison to the very Christian middle ages. Remember, this is a religion that literally teaches that women caused the downfall of mankind from the garden of eden. Granted there are some good teachings from the New Testament (love thy neighbour etc). However, Germanic societies often allowed for women to divorce their husbands, take back a dowry, etc, and notably the Scandinavians allowed for women to serve in military roles too (which we now have archaeological evidence of). History is never black and white, the issue with the idea that women have been oppressed for all of history is that there is always contradictory evidence.
Regardless, the point is that it's all either a stupid "ism" or history regarding MGTOW, feminism, whatever. There's no point in keeping score. All we can do now is do better than those that came before us, and try to live peacefully, and love those around us
What gets me about all of this is how, after all the that has happened with women's the rights movement over the last 50 years, and all the lessons learned, so many women, like OP here, are still so resistant to movements that actually care about men instead of just women. It's incredibly self-centered of them.
Why, after all we have learned, must it still take decades to see things through anything other than a gynocentric lens, and recognize that in many ways society is now very pro-female and anti-male? Why must it take so long for women to pull their heads out of their asses and let go of their victim mentality and bias?
I care about men, a lot. I think I made it clear I want people to start campaigning for men’s rights, I support the meninist movement. I just think MGTOW is fucking stupid because it actually won’t achieve its aims through how it’s conducted and is based on very anti-woman sentiment.
All you are doing here is judging MGTOW based on the actions of the component of the movement who make assholes of themselves. Exactly the same thing feminsists complain that men do to feminism. The hypocrisy of feminism (and you) are astounding to me. Absolutely astounding.
No, you don't care about men. You say you do but your actions prove otherwise. Like the worst of feminists, you do nothing more than pay lip service to "men's issues" then you trash the movement that tries to improve the lot of men in this society. Shame on you.
And that's if you even get lip service. Start talking about any mens' issues with a woman and you can visibly see her getting uncomfortable. You can tell she's barely listening. Then the moment when 'what about women?' tries to derail the conversation. Pick any issue and watch it unfold.
You make some decent points. I mostly disagree however that Metoo is a "legitimate movement," since mostly it's nothing but keyboard warriors doing nothing but arguing with people in cyberspace and making conscious choices to blur the lines between sexual situations that simply weren't gratifying or good, and sexual assault. Or sexual harassment, and sexual assault, which are also not the same thing. Most of Metoo is garbage. Some of it has produced meaningful results.
Other than that, I think your post has merit. Single motherhood may be linked to bad mojo or whatever and isn't ideal, but it's the issues related to that (like economic hardship) that causes many of the issues, not just the single parenthood in and of itself.
Wow is this one a mental case. This is exactly why no man in his right mind would take a modern woman serious. I am not MGTOW but you sure are making the case to become one.
LOL, I know, right? The whole point of MGTOW is men doing their own thing and not being held down and locked into what women want. We really don't care what she or other men think. MGTOW also isn't going celibate and swearing off women either. Women like her are just upset because the guy she wants to marry and support her so she can be a stay at home mommy won't fall for that shit.
I don’t care what men do. I for one am he first person to preach for independence. All I’m saying is that the group is fundamentally flawed in their ideas and as a result will not be able to meet their goals.
i can see where some of the guys are coming from regarding this movement, but i just want to be able to go a week without being harassed, its exhausting and its really hard to trust guys because of what they have done and i don't put myself in these situations i don't party or drink or go on random dates or anything (even though i should be allowed to do these things without being assaulted)
Should you? I really am not anti-women. In fact I support many of the causes in feminism, in general, but I think your line of thinking is off. Should you be able to walk in a lions Den and have a right to not get eaten?
Do you have the right to enter Compton and not be exposed to the risks of violence in Compton? Do you have the right to slap a Cartel drug lord and not be tortured and likely killed for doing that?
No. Not really. One many not have a right to avoid situations which have dispositions to certain outcomes you don’t like. Lions do not hesitate to tear off your arm at the shoulder if they are hungry and you’re close enough, that’s why we killed all the grizzly bears in California. They were too threatening. We couldn’t just say ‘look bears, I have a right to walk by without being mauled.’ No, not really. Bears don’t give a shit about whether you get mauled. Likewise, dangerous men are like bears. I don’t fuck with cartel members because I don’t want to die. Same logic.
It’s the same way you fuck with dangerous politicians like Putin or Kim-Jong Un, hell even Trump is dangerous. People end up dead if they do.
The Syrian government was bomed because they launched chemical weapons and pissed off Trump. People died, their bodies were exploded and their blood, flesh and muscles were splattered all over some wall somewhere. Why? Cause they fucked with a grizzly bear and got mauled. Did they have a right to not get mauled? I don't know. Probably not.
Nature doesn’t have much morality. Wildlife hunts other wildlife, wildlife fights of threatened, some wildlife fights for no reason. Humans don’t get any special treatment from nature, we just try our best to outsmart the other life forms and defend ourselves from life forms that can overpower us, like huge bears.
Now, among humans, some people are especially dangerous. We can’t control these dangerous people. This is not a woman’s issue. All people need to worry about this, including men.
For the ones in the comments wondering why women (& even some men) don't like this new trend, MGTOW; it's not because of your personal choice to not get with women now, but rather the disgusting attitude, resentment & insults towards women. The hypocritical part is that these qualities are hated in feminists who you people used to (& still do) say harbour these annoying aspects. SOME feminists are horrible to men in this way, & SOME men are horrible too in this new trend. There is no difference between you groups of feminists and men of MGTOW who throw shade or resentment to each other.
You are equally unnecessary and disliked by those of us who do not conform to the large part of these groups who are uselessly foul to the other gender. Grow up & leave this mentality. Neither gender as a whole are showing any maturity or correctness (only some individuals of each).
Thats not how i see thing. Some men of MGTOW are resentful, but you cannot blame their resentment more than the women who resent men from other kind of abuse.
I have absolutely no hate toward women and i am actually quite liked my female coworkers. Most of my friends are women.
The reason may be that i just was never introduced to the macho culture and hence considered as sexually invisible by women till my thirties when they suddenly rush, desperate to settle, but i realize i learned to live for myself and do what i want whenever i want, and that the gap will be forever too wide between what a potential partner will except from their previous experiences of bad boys and chads and my own background. There will be simply no common ground.
But i do not hate any gender and i actually have sympathy and understanding for the women that didn't realize what was happening and were left alone or single moms. A bit less for these that chased the top men and were dumped i admit.
The difference between the two groups, is at least MGTOW has stated they want nothing to do with women. So, why care about them? Who cares if they're sexist? They want nothing to do with women anyway.
Third-Wave Feminists, on the other hand, may still want men, and this same wave of Feminism is spiteful towards men.
@Balacan "but you cannot blame their resentment more than the women who resent men from other kind of abuse." - It's like you missed my point entirely... At what point did i say i blame men more than women? In fact, at what point did i address you individually being whats wrong with these groups? Im saying SOME people (not you) of both genders are equally at fault for doing the same thing. I have no problem in believe you as an individual do not fit in the 'SOME' that i addressed as being at fault.
@EnglishArtsteacher There's no difference with the ones that ARE spiteful. You two gents are not who I'm talking about. You two are not the ones who ARE rude and resentful of women. I don't know how many times i gotta emphasise "SOME, not all"
Try to imagine that you're a man and you're average. Got it? Ok, now imagine you're young (18-24) which you appear to be. Let's narrow it down further and say you're a 6 out of 10 on looks and a 5 out of 10 financially.
A woman who is roughly in your same ballpark and age has many, many, many more sexual options than you have and likely ever will have. Women who are arguably your equal can validate their overinflated egos with meaningless sex from men who are 8's, 9's, and 10's.
You see this happening all around you and you're tired of trying to impress and please some woman who's just waiting around until another man gives her a better offer. Instead of playing that game, you start telling women to f*ck off with their stupid problems so you can start focusing on yourself instead.
That's MGTOW (at least for young men) in a nutshell.
“False rape charges are exceedingly rare”. I have heard several women parrot that without looking into it.
Statistically it’s estimate that at least 8 percent of rape accusations are false. However in some of these scenarios men’s defense attorneys tell them to plead “no contest” instead of “not guilty”. Reason being is if a innocent man pleads not guilty but is found guilty anyway his punishment will be much much more severe (life in prison) vs “no contest”. This is what happens to Brian banks. He was forced to plead no contest whe he was 100 percent innocent.
There are innocent men sitting in prison RIGHT NOW because of false rape accusations. Quit being so fucking dismissive of that problem with the “rare” quote.
but I also know with the innocence project has statistics that the number one false conviction for a crime is rape. It makes sense that this would be so in "he said she said" cases.
I'm all about douchebag rapists getting their due. But @metoo is going to encourage more shithead women to attack men. They do exist, they are not "exceptionally rare".
There are two things about that figure: It doesn't say is how many of those cases went to trial. Some definitions of unfounded, it seems, would be like not being able to report a robbery because the big guys standing around you paid you $1 for your car.
@goaded my best friend's brother got falsely accused about 10 years ago. Basically, a girl got drunk at a party, slept with him and cheated on her boyfriend. However, there were several people at the party that witnessed both of them just making out on the sofa and her walking voluntarily with him back in a room. Never did she yell, say stop, look upset, etc. She wasn't that incapacitated either.
Fortunately, she dropped the charges two days later. But if the same scenario happened nowadays and she decided to pursue (and the #metoo movement sway the jury?)
I'm no MGTOW but I will say this - Let's not fix it. Let it go. If the new way is in effect "cool". Let's keep it that way. Let it go the way it's been heading (Girls Having There Own Way). I'm all for it. Then we'll see.. We'll see what comes of it... We'll see which way had more of a positive impact on society- "The old" or "The new". I'm down for it.
And don't talk about "mixing it" or the mixing of the two. Or bullshit equality. There is no "equality". There is also no common ground between masculinity and femininity. Both cannot walk through the door at the same time. One goes before the other. Mixing will never happen. But your philosophy will either give birth to new creation or new destruction. We'll just have to see which one happens. Should be fun for us both.
@Tomblebee I'm receiving some obvious attention though (alot longer than what I should be). So "cooties" must not be too unimportant. After all they are contagious. And have been known to destroy a few guys. So to answer the question of the day - "Yes.. Death to feminism". www.spreadshirt.com/.../winking-smiley-face.png
Those who are single parents... should think long and hard how they got in that situation. You don't simply fuck an unstable human begin and raise it without a dad. Remember you decide to fuck he or her and you should suffer the consequences. I can't stand single parents for the most part.
I see your point, but I'll just use my sister as an example.
She was 15 years old when she got pregnant. Clearly, at 15, you're not fully matured, or always in your most rational state of mind. The guy who got her pregnant, in her eyes, was going to be a great dad. Again, she's 15 years old-most teenagers would think of such. As it turns out, her daughter is almost nine years old now, and the father JUST NOW started getting back into her life after an eight year hiatus. He was a deadbeat loser, and he made the same mistake as she did. but men get a free pass.
Now, if she was one of these adult women who have multiple sex partners, and keep getting pregnant by different men, I would have no sympathy. But there are countless other situations here.
@EnglishArtsteacher I still have no sympathy. If you thought your were grown then you should have been protected. She had many option to make sure she wouldn't get pregnant but she choose not to use them. She could have had abortion or taken plan B. She could of but she decided to be selfish. Now the kid doesn't have a dad and the kid grows poor with a immature mother. My mama always said keep your legs closed unless your married. Selfish that what I call it.
Like I said, she was 15 years old. And at 15 years old, you aren't fully matured, or in your right state of mind.
Her boyfriend did use a condom, but I'm assuming it either broke, or wasn't used properly. I'm not sure if she could get ahold of birth control.
You can't compare a teenage mistake with an adult mistake. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that you're generally more irrational, and immature as a high schooler, then you are as an adult. She's not immature at all-that would be the father who neglected the kid for nine years.
You sound like one of those extreme religious nuts who think every single person who has sex, or has a kid is a horrible sinner, and should be doomed to Hell.
@EnglishArtsteacher no I am tired of stupid people breeding and raising disfuctional human beings. Yes, she could have told someone even the nurse ar the school would have given her plan B pills. As women we have so many what to protect t ourselves even condoms for YES women to use. She was mature enough to fuck she should be mature enough to ask her god damn doctor or any pharmacy for contricipation. But I guess you never hold women responsible for their actions. I'm I right?
Oh she was immature for keeping the baby. She open her legs let a guy put his dong inside without begin married. The reason I put emphasis on the marriage part is because if she were married then the guy wouldn't have left. Since he would by law have to be part of the child life in some way. By the way they teach sex aid when your in 5th grade. I am almost 100% sure she knew how babies were made. She should forever be the blame for her mistake. If she were my sister I would be ashamed. It's shameful because that kid didn't have a dad growing up. My mom was a single mother and guess how mess up we are? Can you guess what we went through? We went through hell and yes she love me and blah blah... but I am at an extreme disadvantage in life. My brother dad is a deadbeat who spend all his money of getting drunk. The son that he had with another women... well he has a baby girl at the age of 20. This young man who had his whole life ahead of him will never be able to make a better life.
And so the cycle continues with stupid women and men having kids they can't afford with unstable partners. Take it from the daughter of a single mother... I'm completely a mess. I went to babysit the other day the kid had a dad spend time with her and I literally cried. I never had that. He never had time for me. In the future I'll probably end up dating a guy like my dad. Someone who never has time for me and than I'll be a single mother.
-Uh... she would be much much more immature if she didn't keep the baby. Keeping the baby, and raising it is a big responsibility. Do you even know what maturity means?
-If she were married the guy wouldn't have left? Have you ever heard of a DIVORCE?
-Of course teenagers know how babies are made, and that's not the point. The point is, teenagers aren't in their most mature state of mind (Similar to you).
-I'm not ashamed of my sister because she raised a kid on her own. I would be a little shamed of my sister if she had an abortion, or put it up for adoption.
-Using your single mother as an excuse for your life at 22 years old is ridiculous. Yet, you penalize teenagers for mistakes? How backwards is this logic?
You have to be one of those sheltered people who never left the house. You can't be THIS out of touch with reality. I just looked at your questions, and you don't even have enough common sense to CALL for a job? You're absurdly immature for your age.
@EnglishArtsteacher the fact that your name calling me show that I hurt you. Which makes me happy! I wish you held women up to some standard including your sister. the fact that she was immature doesn't justify her actions. Like I said she knew where babies came from she knew there was a possibility. Good luck, trying to make a stable human being. Yeah, I don't blame my whole life on my mom but guess what when I was an innocent baby I didn't have a choice. I had to grow up real fast as a kid regardless of how I act on I play on here! Go ahead. Truth always gonna hurt. Good/Smart men don't see a women with another man kids and think they are great people to begin with. As I quote myself, "only stupid people breed" ! I'll always believe that single mother deserve the pain and struggle with having a kid. Honestly teenage mother should set the example on what not to do! I mean for god sakes teen mom!!! Every single person watched it and see what can happens.
Nevertheless, I am done with this conversation. Your sister had many options but she decided to keep the baby. She knew what could happen and let it happen. Blame it on immaturity that's kinda of crazy. Lol let me repeat she open her legs knowing the possiblity. So not only did she have sex risking disease, she got knock up. I am almost certain she could have told someone near by even the school nurse that she needed help. she could have even ask you? Or your mom? But I guess she didn't trust you. Everytime I have a situation good or bad, I know I can tell my brother, mom, dad, and aunt. You call her your sisters? You don't let your fam make stupid mistakes. You certainly don't let 15 years do whatever they want. The fact that you or anyone near her didn't keep a close watch shows the neglect on your mom part. Sure, you can argue again that she immature and everyone eles was at the age. That were your parents or older folks come in
... The older people in your family make sure the new generation don't fall flat on their faces! What done is done! She failed to think rationally and no amount of immature can bail you out. You know I knew a girl who would do stupid stuff like sticking a straw up her nose and guess what she knew the dangers of having it stuck up her nose... Since she was putting her life in danger. Bye, I am done with this conversation. It quite pointless getting through to people that are not honest with themselves. Go ahead swallow that lie but I won't. Plenty of teens in high school don't get knock up and guess what they weren't mature! But then again poor teen mom didn't know and weren't mature enough. Okay okay I'll leave. Hahaha I like this conversation a lot. I really enjoy it. If I offend you then great. But that wasn't my goal. My goal was to make some sense into your justification. Bye
I never "named-called" you. I just said you're out of touch with reality, and you're immature. Again, that displays your severe lack of maturity.
It's the fact you put 100 percent of the blame on the single mother, and nothing on the single father. It's the fact you're blaming your mom for your life at the age of 22 years old, when you're not an adult who could have established something. Perhaps that's why you hate single parents so much-Because your mom was one, and that's your scapegoat.
You're still out of touch with reality, and you really do remind me of someone who has been sheltered in some extreme religious fanatical household their entire lives.
@EnglishArtsteacher you just named call me again... you keep saying I am out of touch on reality!! Your also implying a whole lot about me. You keep saying I am blaming my mom for my current life which I am not. But growing this way she sure didn't help. Your basically shit talking. I put more blame on a mother because we are the people that carry the baby in our tummies. I don't understand why you keep insulting me? If anything you are out of touch with common sense. Like I said I am done with this conversation. I honestly don't care what you think. I did my best to define my point of view and you
@EnglishArtsteacher Your sister better get back with the father of her child. A large deal of child sexual abuse cases happen when boyfriends that aren't the father are in the picture.
“Sometimes there are divorces but plenty of them can be amicable” 🤦♂️ U obviously aren’t a big fan of facts and statistics. More than half of marriages end in divorce and most of the time women make it out on top financially. That’s reality, stop making it sound like men are pulling this outta thin air.
"What I don't understand about these points is they are systemic, societal issues, ones that need campaigning and can be fixed through social change"
Yes, 100%
"If you really cared you'd try to petition, talk with parliamentarians, make charities and groups supporting your cause that could actually do some good"
No. First, that is simply impossible in the current climate where feminism is at an all time high (except perhaps by women groups like the honey badgers), and even as you said, these actions won't really change society without being authoritarian. Cultural actions may have more of an impact to fix the situation.
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- divorce court rulings are a result of a time period in which women did not work and had the primary responsibility of raising children. It's outdated but fixable
Fixable but Feminists will fight it every step of the way.
- false rape charges are difficult because of the nature of the crime, but false rape charges are actually exceedingly rare.
and framing someone for murder is even rarer, you won't get away with the latter and there won't be protests if a court tries you for it.
- #METOO is a legitimate movement showing the universality of sexual assault and rape amongst women, It didn't start to claim all men are rapists.
Ehhh no, it is claiming we're all POTENTIAL rapists and it has become a dogpile with a lot of questionable accusations that will never be taken to court.
- the Domestic violence shelter thing and jail time does shit me though, I believe this is a legitimate problem but it has roots in a very patriarchal way of thinking
and you wonder why nobody likes you people. "My problems are all your fault and your problems are also all your fault". What you call the "patriarchy" isn't a thing, it makes no sense. That's like saying a plutarchy hurst rich people.
"It's actually not productive to blame feminism because a large amount of your issues stem from the older way of life."
i guess this also means that is not productive for black folks to blame the KKK for oppressing their race.
" Swearing off women does nothing but make you more bitter, and prone to generalise 50% of the population. If you really cared you'd try to petition, talk with parliamentarians, make charities and groups supporting your cause that could actually do some good."
you're failing to understand that MGTOW IS NOT A MOVEMENT! we are not mras, we don't want the approval of society. we already chosen to fight our problems by just separating ourselves from our gynocentric society.
"Yes single households are not ideal, but until you perfect the human race, there is always gonna be a problem."
we are well aware it will never be perfect therefore we have chosen not to waste our time and effort on it.
"you can't just instate policies that force people to speak in a certain way without being authoritarian. "
this is exactly what women have been doing. using sex and children as collateral to manipulate their spouses for economical benefits.
Honestly, I could be called a MGTOW, but I don't call myself that. I've seen some of their videos, and for a group that wants to opt out of society and the rules and expectations placed on them, they sure have a lot of rules and expectations you have to follow.
I treat everyone the same, like a man, and women hate that.
I've said many times on here, do what makes you happy, and fuck what anyone else thinks. I live my life the way I want to. I don't need or want your approval, to impress you, or make you happy.
I'm not bitter or angry at women, nor am I lonely. I am pissed at this system that has been created.
If that makes me a MGTOW, IDGAF. It puts me in good company, Plato, Newton, Tesla, and Leo.
This is wise, I don’t see the point in blaming a gender when systemic mechanisms are actually the things to blame.
Hold up right up there. MGTOW doesn't have any (rules) what soever. MGTOW has suggested guidelines to help men with no agreements what soever, you ignore those guidelines all you want and at your own risk to what women are capable of doing to you. MGTOW could care less if you don't following the guidelines. Every MGTOW man chooses his on way of pursuing MGTOW. I don't know where you got your.
Men were socially conditioned to be providers and protectors by women and the state - for the benefit of women and the state. You weren't seen as worthy of love or affection as a man if you couldn't provide for and protect women and the state - but rather as a social outcast. Men were socially conditioned to be human sacrifices in war by women and the state. As a man, you were branded a coward for life and thrown in prison if you objected. That's literally human sacrifice.
I will limit to the extent possible women's and the state's legal, financial, psychological, political, spiritual, emotional and physical power in my life - for both entities see me as a disposable utility. I will not comply. I will not get married. I will not father or raise children in this gynocentric, anti-male world.
MGTOW
Half of all marriages end in divorce, single mothers get money from the
government to raise their bastard children. Stop pretending these are just isolated incidents, the big picture is that the Western nuclear family unit has been decimated and replaced by welfare but it doesn't make anything better, infact it makes things much worse.
I'm not MGTOW, it's just worth noting that these things play into something much greater than themselves
Fun Fact: 75% of divorces are initiated by women
Let me ask you a question: did it ever happen to you, or do you know anyone who has had this happen?
@DamnMan my parents divorced two years ago and I know a good amount of my friends also grew up in broken homes
Why is it feminism creates a situation, lobbies, petitions, pressures politicians, etc. Then comes back and blames the patriarchy for their actions. Yes feminism is directly to blame for unfair court biases, lack of domestic violence services for men, the definition of rape to exclude male victims of female perpetrators, biases within the criminal justice system for domestic violence, etc. You can't create a situation, then come along and say that you're the solution. That's like a firefighter who starts fires,
Feminism can not expect others to ignore it's history, just because it's inconvenienced by its own actions.
I'm not MGTOW because l don't hate women, but I'm aware of the underlying causes for the movement. I don't bitch about women, but l will call it like l see it, which is: women are a horrible source of info on female behavior because most don't know why they do what they do, or are completely unaware that they're doing it.
So l simply do my own thing, being careful to watch for the warning signs of those behaviors and motives that are unacceptable to me. I don't let people into my life who have a history of using others or taking them for granted because I'm a giving person who is looking for REAL friends and relationships rather than fake facades with ulterior motives.
Basically, some men feel excluded and unloved , and because society pressures them into macho stereotypes of never admitting any emotion or weakness, even to themselves, you get this dumb as shit movement where these guys double down into an already unhealthy frame of mind as if to say
"if I can't get the female attention and affirmation that I biologically desire
Then I'll just turn inward and give myself that affirmation with more of my own masculinity."
Guys, its ok. We get it. You don't have to hide your feelings and try to act like nothing hurts you and like you dont have emotions. Dont push people away, open up and talk to someone.
Its really not that simple. #1 you're right men are forced by society to keep things to themselves always stay strong etc.. and it takes a toll on a mans mental health. But MGTOW is much more than that. It's a realization that as a man you are always being used by a woman in one way or another and not only financially but emotionally to stroke her ego to elevate her status fulfill her desire to marry and have kids etc... help her raise one of her fatherless kids she decided to have with a scumbag at 16 the list goes on. And on top of all that women are less faithful now in relationships now than ever before. Its pointless for a man to follow the path society expects them to because it statistically ends in divorce heartbreak financial loss legal issues and emasculation. Women initiate 90% of divorce and 75% of married couples divorce. Those numbers should be enough. Its because no matter how civilized we become as a society we are still animals and women are always looking for the
Strongest male to mate with. They do not factor in. morality and honor very often. They are often masters of mental gymnastics justifying their shitty behavior with something like "well he was taking me for granted... Im a narcissist so I deserve better I deserve to be the center of his universe so I went on a date and hooked up with a new guy but its okay cause I was going to leave him anyways." Because of their desire to climb the ladder through hypergamy coupled with a tendency to emotionally reason as well as justify shitty behaviour on their behalf infidelity is pretty much a garauntee.
@redrocket68
Bro. it seems you are really bored and have nothing to do, just going and writing essays on people's opinions. BRAVO.
@questionsWanswers , totally agree with you.
@questionsWanswers It's not easy to find someone to talk to. People are quick to judge in many places. Did Michael Jackson deliberately overdose on the medicine that killed him? He was an ideal candidate for such, as he was judged and ridiculed for most of his life. Every aspect of his life, from his physical features to his unique habits, was fodder for cruel jokes. Then you have the child molestation accusations. They can be said to have effectively destroyed his career.
Yet when we talk we're often shut down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMuzhQXJoY
This isn’t right. MGTOW guys actually don’t hyper embrace masculinity, they abandon masculinity and gender roles and just say ‘fuck it.’ I’ll just do what I want, even if it repels women, and they can go fuck themselves anyway.
Mgtow guys tend to be the neck beard guys, or the fat guys, or the guys that have obsessive hobbies like building fish tanks or building race cars, guys that like anime or are super geeks who enjoy video games too an extreme, maybe the guys who compete in magic or yugioh trading card game tournaments. They are the ones who were rejected for being their authentic selves. They just hate being hated for who they are, and would rather be themselves than fit into what they consider to be jackass mainstream personalities. In fact, they consider most average guys to be jackasses.
Completely missed the point and clearly does not understand men or what some of them deal with.
Personally I don’t agree with either MGTOW or 4th wave feminism but I can kind of understand why MGTOW guys feel the way they do. As for feminism, it isn’t actually doing anything to help men. All 4th wave feminism is doing is trying to reverse gender roles and “empower” women at the expense of men.
Fun fact: Actually first wave feminists and the progressives of the 20s and 30s came up with the idea that women are morally superior. Mostly out the late 19th century's love of the middle ages (where yea that was a product of a misogynist culture). But basically the early women's movement was all about how Men should stop drinking etc, because of some bad eggs who got drunk and beat their wives.
In the end, we gotta remember that we're all human, we all have struggles, and it doesn't matter if you have a dick, or vagina. We are people, and we've gotta just love those around us. It's not worth wasting your time being angry at women or men or whoever. Because in max. 60-70 years I'm gonna be in the ground anyways
yes! we've just gotta love because life is too short to hate, especially when we are all in this together! love the way you think!
That’s actually not true it was born during early Christianity. It allowed women to have some precedence at some place in life within their heavily misogynistic world.
Pre-Christian European societies were actually quite egalitarian in comparison to the very Christian middle ages. Remember, this is a religion that literally teaches that women caused the downfall of mankind from the garden of eden. Granted there are some good teachings from the New Testament (love thy neighbour etc). However, Germanic societies often allowed for women to divorce their husbands, take back a dowry, etc, and notably the Scandinavians allowed for women to serve in military roles too (which we now have archaeological evidence of). History is never black and white, the issue with the idea that women have been oppressed for all of history is that there is always contradictory evidence.
Regardless, the point is that it's all either a stupid "ism" or history regarding MGTOW, feminism, whatever. There's no point in keeping score. All we can do now is do better than those that came before us, and try to live peacefully, and love those around us
What gets me about all of this is how, after all the that has happened with women's the rights movement over the last 50 years, and all the lessons learned, so many women, like OP here, are still so resistant to movements that actually care about men instead of just women. It's incredibly self-centered of them.
Why, after all we have learned, must it still take decades to see things through anything other than a gynocentric lens, and recognize that in many ways society is now very pro-female and anti-male? Why must it take so long for women to pull their heads out of their asses and let go of their victim mentality and bias?
I care about men, a lot. I think I made it clear I want people to start campaigning for men’s rights, I support the meninist movement. I just think MGTOW is fucking stupid because it actually won’t achieve its aims through how it’s conducted and is based on very anti-woman sentiment.
All you are doing here is judging MGTOW based on the actions of the component of the movement who make assholes of themselves. Exactly the same thing feminsists complain that men do to feminism. The hypocrisy of feminism (and you) are astounding to me. Absolutely astounding.
No, you don't care about men. You say you do but your actions prove otherwise. Like the worst of feminists, you do nothing more than pay lip service to "men's issues" then you trash the movement that tries to improve the lot of men in this society. Shame on you.
And that's if you even get lip service. Start talking about any mens' issues with a woman and you can visibly see her getting uncomfortable. You can tell she's barely listening. Then the moment when 'what about women?' tries to derail the conversation. Pick any issue and watch it unfold.
You make some decent points. I mostly disagree however that Metoo is a "legitimate movement," since mostly it's nothing but keyboard warriors doing nothing but arguing with people in cyberspace and making conscious choices to blur the lines between sexual situations that simply weren't gratifying or good, and sexual assault. Or sexual harassment, and sexual assault, which are also not the same thing. Most of Metoo is garbage. Some of it has produced meaningful results.
Other than that, I think your post has merit. Single motherhood may be linked to bad mojo or whatever and isn't ideal, but it's the issues related to that (like economic hardship) that causes many of the issues, not just the single parenthood in and of itself.
Wow is this one a mental case. This is exactly why no man in his right mind would take a modern woman serious. I am not MGTOW but you sure are making the case to become one.
LOL, I know, right? The whole point of MGTOW is men doing their own thing and not being held down and locked into what women want. We really don't care what she or other men think. MGTOW also isn't going celibate and swearing off women either. Women like her are just upset because the guy she wants to marry and support her so she can be a stay at home mommy won't fall for that shit.
I don’t care what men do. I for one am he first person to preach for independence. All I’m saying is that the group is fundamentally flawed in their ideas and as a result will not be able to meet their goals.
i can see where some of the guys are coming from regarding this movement, but i just want to be able to go a week without being harassed, its exhausting and its really hard to trust guys because of what they have done and i don't put myself in these situations i don't party or drink or go on random dates or anything (even though i should be allowed to do these things without being assaulted)
Should you? I really am not anti-women. In fact I support many of the causes in feminism, in general, but I think your line of thinking is off. Should you be able to walk in a lions Den and have a right to not get eaten?
Do you have the right to enter Compton and not be exposed to the risks of violence in Compton? Do you have the right to slap a Cartel drug lord and not be tortured and likely killed for doing that?
No. Not really. One many not have a right to avoid situations which have dispositions to certain outcomes you don’t like. Lions do not hesitate to tear off your arm at the shoulder if they are hungry and you’re close enough, that’s why we killed all the grizzly bears in California. They were too threatening. We couldn’t just say ‘look bears, I have a right to walk by without being mauled.’ No, not really. Bears don’t give a shit about whether you get mauled. Likewise, dangerous men are like bears. I don’t fuck with cartel members because I don’t want to die. Same logic.
It’s the same way you fuck with dangerous politicians like Putin or Kim-Jong Un, hell even Trump is dangerous. People end up dead if they do.
The Syrian government was bomed because they launched chemical weapons and pissed off Trump. People died, their bodies were exploded and their blood, flesh and muscles were splattered all over some wall somewhere. Why? Cause they fucked with a grizzly bear and got mauled. Did they have a right to not get mauled? I don't know. Probably not.
Nature doesn’t have much morality. Wildlife hunts other wildlife, wildlife fights of threatened, some wildlife fights for no reason. Humans don’t get any special treatment from nature, we just try our best to outsmart the other life forms and defend ourselves from life forms that can overpower us, like huge bears.
Now, among humans, some people are especially dangerous. We can’t control these dangerous people. This is not a woman’s issue. All people need to worry about this, including men.
Everything is assault or harassment. Every little thing that happens. That's why you're not taken seriously when you claim it happens.
For the ones in the comments wondering why women (& even some men) don't like this new trend, MGTOW; it's not because of your personal choice to not get with women now, but rather the disgusting attitude, resentment & insults towards women.
The hypocritical part is that these qualities are hated in feminists who you people used to (& still do) say harbour these annoying aspects.
SOME feminists are horrible to men in this way, & SOME men are horrible too in this new trend. There is no difference between you groups of feminists and men of MGTOW who throw shade or resentment to each other.
You are equally unnecessary and disliked by those of us who do not conform to the large part of these groups who are uselessly foul to the other gender.
Grow up & leave this mentality. Neither gender as a whole are showing any maturity or correctness (only some individuals of each).
Thats not how i see thing. Some men of MGTOW are resentful, but you cannot blame their resentment more than the women who resent men from other kind of abuse.
I have absolutely no hate toward women and i am actually quite liked my female coworkers. Most of my friends are women.
The reason may be that i just was never introduced to the macho culture and hence considered as sexually invisible by women till my thirties when they suddenly rush, desperate to settle, but i realize i learned to live for myself and do what i want whenever i want, and that the gap will be forever too wide between what a potential partner will except from their previous experiences of bad boys and chads and my own background. There will be simply no common ground.
But i do not hate any gender and i actually have sympathy and understanding for the women that didn't realize what was happening and were left alone or single moms. A bit less for these that chased the top men and were dumped i admit.
The difference between the two groups, is at least MGTOW has stated they want nothing to do with women. So, why care about them? Who cares if they're sexist? They want nothing to do with women anyway.
Third-Wave Feminists, on the other hand, may still want men, and this same wave of Feminism is spiteful towards men.
@Balacan "but you cannot blame their resentment more than the women who resent men from other kind of abuse." - It's like you missed my point entirely... At what point did i say i blame men more than women? In fact, at what point did i address you individually being whats wrong with these groups? Im saying SOME people (not you) of both genders are equally at fault for doing the same thing. I have no problem in believe you as an individual do not fit in the 'SOME' that i addressed as being at fault.
@EnglishArtsteacher There's no difference with the ones that ARE spiteful. You two gents are not who I'm talking about. You two are not the ones who ARE rude and resentful of women. I don't know how many times i gotta emphasise "SOME, not all"
Try to imagine that you're a man and you're average. Got it? Ok, now imagine you're young (18-24) which you appear to be. Let's narrow it down further and say you're a 6 out of 10 on looks and a 5 out of 10 financially.
A woman who is roughly in your same ballpark and age has many, many, many more sexual options than you have and likely ever will have. Women who are arguably your equal can validate their overinflated egos with meaningless sex from men who are 8's, 9's, and 10's.
You see this happening all around you and you're tired of trying to impress and please some woman who's just waiting around until another man gives her a better offer. Instead of playing that game, you start telling women to f*ck off with their stupid problems so you can start focusing on yourself instead.
That's MGTOW (at least for young men) in a nutshell.
“False rape charges are exceedingly rare”. I have heard several women parrot that without looking into it.
Statistically it’s estimate that at least 8 percent of rape accusations are false. However in some of these scenarios men’s defense attorneys tell them to plead “no contest” instead of “not guilty”. Reason being is if a innocent man pleads not guilty but is found guilty anyway his punishment will be much much more severe (life in prison) vs “no contest”. This is what happens to Brian banks. He was forced to plead no contest whe he was 100 percent innocent.
There are innocent men sitting in prison RIGHT NOW because of false rape accusations. Quit being so fucking dismissive of that problem with the “rare” quote.
Who estimated that?
@goaded FBI en.wikipedia.org/.../False_accusation_of_rape
but I also know with the innocence project has statistics that the number one false conviction for a crime is rape. It makes sense that this would be so in "he said she said" cases.
I'm all about douchebag rapists getting their due. But @metoo is going to encourage more shithead women to attack men. They do exist, they are not "exceptionally rare".
She did bring up some other good parts on this take. The thing about "women are never bad" is very, VERY true. Bad women abuse that ALL the time.
There are two things about that figure:
It doesn't say is how many of those cases went to trial.
Some definitions of unfounded, it seems, would be like not being able to report a robbery because the big guys standing around you paid you $1 for your car.
(Thanks for providing the link.)
@goaded my best friend's brother got falsely accused about 10 years ago. Basically, a girl got drunk at a party, slept with him and cheated on her boyfriend. However, there were several people at the party that witnessed both of them just making out on the sofa and her walking voluntarily with him back in a room. Never did she yell, say stop, look upset, etc. She wasn't that incapacitated either.
Fortunately, she dropped the charges two days later. But if the same scenario happened nowadays and she decided to pursue (and the #metoo movement sway the jury?)
I'm no MGTOW but I will say this - Let's not fix it. Let it go. If the new way is in effect "cool". Let's keep it that way. Let it go the way it's been heading (Girls Having There Own Way). I'm all for it. Then we'll see.. We'll see what comes of it... We'll see which way had more of a positive impact on society- "The old" or "The new". I'm down for it.
Don't "fix it" - Test it..
And don't talk about "mixing it" or the mixing of the two. Or bullshit equality. There is no "equality". There is also no common ground between masculinity and femininity. Both cannot walk through the door at the same time. One goes before the other. Mixing will never happen. But your philosophy will either give birth to new creation or new destruction. We'll just have to see which one happens. Should be fun for us both.
Thank you, a man of wisdom is always appreciated.
@ThisAndThat Ditto..
I walk through the door at the same time all the time when rushing to the toilet. Priorities
@Tomblebee Taking a shit sounds about right. I'm sure everything will come out just fine.
Unless jalepenos had anythign to do with it.
@Tomblebee Too true. Good luck with that.
Only fat people can't go through doors at the same time. If not. Just make bigger doors?
@Tomblebee Ahh, I see now. You're attempting to make a point. Then go ahead "door maker". Work your magick..
Surely there are more impotant things to be concerning ourselves with then girls with cooties.
@Tomblebee I'm receiving some obvious attention though (alot longer than what I should be). So "cooties" must not be too unimportant. After all they are contagious. And have been known to destroy a few guys. So to answer the question of the day - "Yes.. Death to feminism". www.spreadshirt.com/.../winking-smiley-face.png
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Those who are single parents... should think long and hard how they got in that situation. You don't simply fuck an unstable human begin and raise it without a dad. Remember you decide to fuck he or her and you should suffer the consequences. I can't stand single parents for the most part.
I see your point, but I'll just use my sister as an example.
She was 15 years old when she got pregnant. Clearly, at 15, you're not fully matured, or always in your most rational state of mind. The guy who got her pregnant, in her eyes, was going to be a great dad. Again, she's 15 years old-most teenagers would think of such. As it turns out, her daughter is almost nine years old now, and the father JUST NOW started getting back into her life after an eight year hiatus. He was a deadbeat loser, and he made the same mistake as she did. but men get a free pass.
Now, if she was one of these adult women who have multiple sex partners, and keep getting pregnant by different men, I would have no sympathy. But there are countless other situations here.
@EnglishArtsteacher I still have no sympathy. If you thought your were grown then you should have been protected. She had many option to make sure she wouldn't get pregnant but she choose not to use them. She could have had abortion or taken plan B. She could of but she decided to be selfish. Now the kid doesn't have a dad and the kid grows poor with a immature mother. My mama always said keep your legs closed unless your married. Selfish that what I call it.
For god sakes if you want have sex then please use a form of contraception!!
Like I said, she was 15 years old. And at 15 years old, you aren't fully matured, or in your right state of mind.
Her boyfriend did use a condom, but I'm assuming it either broke, or wasn't used properly. I'm not sure if she could get ahold of birth control.
You can't compare a teenage mistake with an adult mistake. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that you're generally more irrational, and immature as a high schooler, then you are as an adult. She's not immature at all-that would be the father who neglected the kid for nine years.
You sound like one of those extreme religious nuts who think every single person who has sex, or has a kid is a horrible sinner, and should be doomed to Hell.
@EnglishArtsteacher no I am tired of stupid people breeding and raising disfuctional human beings. Yes, she could have told someone even the nurse ar the school would have given her plan B pills. As women we have so many what to protect t ourselves even condoms for YES women to use. She was mature enough to fuck she should be mature enough to ask her god damn doctor or any pharmacy for contricipation. But I guess you never hold women responsible for their actions. I'm I right?
I am sorry but your sister isn't really smart.
Oh she was immature for keeping the baby. She open her legs let a guy put his dong inside without begin married. The reason I put emphasis on the marriage part is because if she were married then the guy wouldn't have left. Since he would by law have to be part of the child life in some way. By the way they teach sex aid when your in 5th grade. I am almost 100% sure she knew how babies were made. She should forever be the blame for her mistake. If she were my sister I would be ashamed. It's shameful because that kid didn't have a dad growing up. My mom was a single mother and guess how mess up we are? Can you guess what we went through? We went through hell and yes she love me and blah blah... but I am at an extreme disadvantage in life. My brother dad is a deadbeat who spend all his money of getting drunk. The son that he had with another women... well he has a baby girl at the age of 20. This young man who had his whole life ahead of him will never be able to make a better life.
And so the cycle continues with stupid women and men having kids they can't afford with unstable partners. Take it from the daughter of a single mother... I'm completely a mess. I went to babysit the other day the kid had a dad spend time with her and I literally cried. I never had that. He never had time for me. In the future I'll probably end up dating a guy like my dad. Someone who never has time for me and than I'll be a single mother.
-Uh... she would be much much more immature if she didn't keep the baby. Keeping the baby, and raising it is a big responsibility. Do you even know what maturity means?
-If she were married the guy wouldn't have left? Have you ever heard of a DIVORCE?
-Of course teenagers know how babies are made, and that's not the point. The point is, teenagers aren't in their most mature state of mind (Similar to you).
-I'm not ashamed of my sister because she raised a kid on her own. I would be a little shamed of my sister if she had an abortion, or put it up for adoption.
-Using your single mother as an excuse for your life at 22 years old is ridiculous. Yet, you penalize teenagers for mistakes? How backwards is this logic?
You have to be one of those sheltered people who never left the house. You can't be THIS out of touch with reality. I just looked at your questions, and you don't even have enough common sense to CALL for a job? You're absurdly immature for your age.
@EnglishArtsteacher the fact that your name calling me show that I hurt you. Which makes me happy! I wish you held women up to some standard including your sister. the fact that she was immature doesn't justify her actions. Like I said she knew where babies came from she knew there was a possibility. Good luck, trying to make a stable human being. Yeah, I don't blame my whole life on my mom but guess what when I was an innocent baby I didn't have a choice. I had to grow up real fast as a kid regardless of how I act on I play on here! Go ahead. Truth always gonna hurt. Good/Smart men don't see a women with another man kids and think they are great people to begin with. As I quote myself, "only stupid people breed" ! I'll always believe that single mother deserve the pain and struggle with having a kid. Honestly teenage mother should set the example on what not to do! I mean for god sakes teen mom!!! Every single person watched it and see what can happens.
Nevertheless, I am done with this conversation. Your sister had many options but she decided to keep the baby. She knew what could happen and let it happen. Blame it on immaturity that's kinda of crazy. Lol let me repeat she open her legs knowing the possiblity. So not only did she have sex risking disease, she got knock up. I am almost certain she could have told someone near by even the school nurse that she needed help. she could have even ask you? Or your mom? But I guess she didn't trust you. Everytime I have a situation good or bad, I know I can tell my brother, mom, dad, and aunt. You call her your sisters? You don't let your fam make stupid mistakes. You certainly don't let 15 years do whatever they want. The fact that you or anyone near her didn't keep a close watch shows the neglect on your mom part. Sure, you can argue again that she immature and everyone eles was at the age. That were your parents or older folks come in
... The older people in your family make sure the new generation don't fall flat on their faces! What done is done! She failed to think rationally and no amount of immature can bail you out. You know I knew a girl who would do stupid stuff like sticking a straw up her nose and guess what she knew the dangers of having it stuck up her nose... Since she was putting her life in danger. Bye, I am done with this conversation. It quite pointless getting through to people that are not honest with themselves. Go ahead swallow that lie but I won't. Plenty of teens in high school don't get knock up and guess what they weren't mature! But then again poor teen mom didn't know and weren't mature enough. Okay okay I'll leave. Hahaha I like this conversation a lot. I really enjoy it. If I offend you then great. But that wasn't my goal. My goal was to make some sense into your justification. Bye
I never "named-called" you. I just said you're out of touch with reality, and you're immature. Again, that displays your severe lack of maturity.
It's the fact you put 100 percent of the blame on the single mother, and nothing on the single father. It's the fact you're blaming your mom for your life at the age of 22 years old, when you're not an adult who could have established something. Perhaps that's why you hate single parents so much-Because your mom was one, and that's your scapegoat.
You're still out of touch with reality, and you really do remind me of someone who has been sheltered in some extreme religious fanatical household their entire lives.
@EnglishArtsteacher you just named call me again... you keep saying I am out of touch on reality!! Your also implying a whole lot about me. You keep saying I am blaming my mom for my current life which I am not. But growing this way she sure didn't help. Your basically shit talking. I put more blame on a mother because we are the people that carry the baby in our tummies. I don't understand why you keep insulting me? If anything you are out of touch with common sense. Like I said I am done with this conversation. I honestly don't care what you think. I did my best to define my point of view and you
And if you don't like my answer then I can't help you. I don't know In what world is having a baby without a dad is a great thing?
Bye.
@EnglishArtsteacher Your sister better get back with the father of her child. A large deal of child sexual abuse cases happen when boyfriends that aren't the father are in the picture.
“Sometimes there are divorces but plenty of them can be amicable” 🤦♂️ U obviously aren’t a big fan of facts and statistics. More than half of marriages end in divorce and most of the time women make it out on top financially. That’s reality, stop making it sound like men are pulling this outta thin air.
Very true, yeah. And 70% of divorce cases are called by women.
"What I don't understand about these points is they are systemic, societal issues, ones that need campaigning and can be fixed through social change"
Yes, 100%
"If you really cared you'd try to petition, talk with parliamentarians, make charities and groups supporting your cause that could actually do some good"
No. First, that is simply impossible in the current climate where feminism is at an all time high (except perhaps by women groups like the honey badgers), and even as you said, these actions won't really change society without being authoritarian. Cultural actions may have more of an impact to fix the situation.