The Confident Male

[Wowgirl30q]

The Confident Male

Confidence Is Key

A confident male possess several of these traits ( usually not always ). He is the toughest, most macho, laid back guy in the room. They don't feel insecure or threatened when other males or even females are around. The confident male isn't afraid to speak his mind or stand up for himself and his loved one's. He doesn't care what people think, and stands up for what he believes in. However, the confident male is slowly becoming less and less in their numbers.

I love a confident strong man, if I wanted a insecure emotional partner I would just date a woman.

A Dying Breed

I think they are a dying breed because there are so few of them left it seems in the world today. Where have all the confident men gone? Not the catty, masculine lacking, bitching like a chick, and let's watch the Notebook type male. Males these days can't perform feats of strength, build their own houses, or fix cars without a mechanic. They act more like females then men.

They are scared to fight and some even are afraid of guns. There was a time when these sorts of skills were crucial to fulfilling the creation mandate and survival. Men today are scared of their own shadow and lack pride and confidence in themselves. Some even hate women because they feel inferior to one. Will say maybe one who does MMA or something.

Treating A Women Correctly

Confident Men Treat Women Correctly

Because they understand that are real men not women. A confident man never yells or curses at a female because he understands that he is the stronger sex. When a man gets aggressive with a female that's exactly what he is (a bitch). He has literally put himself in a bitch's position he's a bitch, not a confident man. Females are supposed to fight females not insecure bitch ass acting, low T-level type men. Confident men treat woman with respect, love them, and if anything are concerned with keeping them safe and protected.

Not My Fault Bro

So, So, sorry you're bitter at women. Sorry you're a failure in your sexuality and can't get a woman, but don't take it out on me bro..

I get that your afraid of other men but damnnnnn guy, don't be abusive to women. It's not our fault you lack confidence which makes you less attractive to us. Maybe hit the gym not the women next time you're upset. Working out might also help you increase your confidence level that you so desperately need. Confident men also are not over emotional or dramatic they are content being cool, calm, and who they are. You will never hear a confident man say " I just had a good cry".

Thank You Confident Males

From all the women in the world THANK YOU.. You show us that good men still exist in the world. You open doors, pay for dinners, and don't get your painties in a bunch over the slightest challenge to your masculinity. You respect yourself treat us like ladies and we love you for that. Keep it up you guys with confidence we need you.

Thanks for reading everyone and always remember you're a man so act like one please. Stop trying to fight girls. Confident Men are the ones who get laid and promoted not rejected and bitter. So boost your confidence ASAP.

#wowgirl30q#wowgirlRocks#gag

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[humanearth]

I don't really have to answer this. But thanks for thinking about the few that are left.

I have meet many that fit in this group. I'm the guy they call when the shit hits the fan.

[Wowgirl30q]

I know that guy lol

[ColHathi]

I just had a good cry 😌

[Wowgirl30q]

Lmao

[Wowgirl30q]

Funny

[krogaan]

am a baby back bitch mommas boy :D

[Wowgirl30q]

@krogaan I dropped the b word a lot I suppose

[Wowgirl30q]

And the answer is I don't thank so😀
You made me laugh

[BluesheepOwl]

Wow I'm so glad somebody said it 👏👏👏 finally. Thank you for writing this. 👏👊. I am going to share this with all my friends.

[Wowgirl30q]

Thanks girl

[Armourdillo]

Got it, buy a gun

[BluesheepOwl]

Thank you for mho

[brittslitt]

I agree but have noticed that most or all insecure men hide out on gag

[Wowgirl30q]

They do

[Dav1ss]

Probably true

[Wowgirl30q]

@brittslitt mho on both record breaking, mytakes❤️ you are awesome. Bitching like this from guys
Beautiful dude. ...😂

[ChronicThinker]

If someone wrote a Mytake about this but made it female-centric, every girl on this site would call it sexist.

Just sayin'.

[Wowgirl30q]

Thanks Glad you liked it. My last one like this actually set a record

[Wowgirl30q]

Just saying 😀

[ChronicThinker]

I didn't say I didn't like it, I'm just stating a parallel. If someone made a Mytake focusing on women being hyper-feminine, cooking and cleaning, and behaving in a way that is traditionally feminine everyone would get mad lol.

[ChronicThinker]

Though, there are points I disagree with outright: I don't think a man is any more or less masculine for not paying for food, that's just a cheap cop-out women used to not have to pay for shit in my opinion.

[Wowgirl30q]

What Happened to Men being Men?

[ChronicThinker]

We could make the same argument about "women being women" - when did women stop being women by staying home, not working, being subservient and living to raise families?

We earned rights and defied gender expectations.

[Wowgirl30q]

@ChronicThinker fair enough
I know it's not writer level stuff but I try. Here the other one

What Happened to Men being Men? ↗

[ChronicThinker]

I wouldn't say your work isn't "writer level" - you're just writing your opinion and I'm not saying you're "wrong" because I disagree. I just simply don't entirely agree. I personally like men with some traditionally masculine traits but I don't blanket my preferences to being mandatory across the entire male gender either if that makes sense.

[Wowgirl30q]

Thanks for reading 😀 regardless I may ask for tips sometime.
@ChronicThinker

[ChronicThinker]

Ask for tips any time, I have done some column and opinion work so I may be able to offer advice.

[Wowgirl30q]

I don't the whole gender but the majority. See I need help with my wording. I don't have the gift of thought to paper like you

[Wowgirl30q]

Awesome thanks Miss

[ChronicThinker]

It took me a long time to develop it so don't beat yourself up.

[Wowgirl30q]

I'm not all I can do is my best 😀

[Wowgirl30q]

But I had nobody for advice before so hopefully it will improve

[ChronicThinker]

By all means, shoot me a message if you have questions.

[Juxtapose]

ChronicThinker has a good point.

I say, let people be *themselves.*

[Miss_Savanna_Dry]

I'm guessing you guys missed the my take about the perfect woman. So let Wowgirl30q give her take on this. Guys are doing the exact same. The key is to not take it personally. I read the my take about the perfect woman.. now that was crazy. But I didn't give a bad opinion on it.

[ChronicThinker]

@Miss_Savanna_Dry I never once said she couldn't write a Mytake on this and she doesn't need my permission to "give her this mytake." I'm making a point regardless of if you like it, she likes it, or anyone else likes it.

If you see the above conversation, you'll see we understand each other.

[ChronicThinker]

@Miss_Savanna_Dry Also, I didn't give a "bad opinion" - the opposition of someone's stance doesn't inherently make it bad and suggesting it is essentially saying freedom of speech is bad.

[Miss_Savanna_Dry]

I know. I was basing my comment on what u said if someone made a my take about women like this then girls would call it sexist. I'm just saying that the guys already are doing my takes in a similar fashion. :)

[ChronicThinker]

@Miss_Savanna_Dry Yeah, unfortunately, this is true.

[Juxtapose]

@Miss_Savanna_Dry If someone tells me that I need to pay for someone's dinner just because of what is in-between their legs and they try to put expectations of be because what is in-between my legs, there's going to be a fucking problem.

[Juxtapose]

*expectations on me

[ChronicThinker]

@Juxtapose Also a fair point.

[Wowgirl30q]

@Miss_Savanna_Dry thank you that was a cool move

[Miss_Savanna_Dry]

@Juxtapose I don't where you're coming from out of the blue. I spoke about guys having a similar my take and here you are judging in the deep end. Chill.

[Miss_Savanna_Dry]

@Wowgirl30q pleasure ❤

[Juxtapose]

@Miss_Savanna_Dry I'd call that guy horrible things if I had the stomach to read his drivel, so don't presume to know me.

His idiocy doesn't change the positions of this post and my intense disagreement with several parts.

[Miss_Savanna_Dry]

@Juxtapose I don't know you. If u disagree okay and? I like her my take. U disagree with some parts. So what's the problem? The main point I made was about another my take about women. I'm not here to debate with about what u disagree with.

[Juxtapose]

@Miss_Savanna_Dry You were basically implying that I should not criticize her simply because a guy did the same thing but worse.

She's a buddy of mine, but if she says some sexist shit that I don't like then I'm going to point it out and anyone who doesn't like it can kiss my ass :)

[Wowgirl30q]

@ChronicThinker
Dude your photo is awesome

[ChronicThinker]

Thanks, found it on Google.

[Wowgirl30q]

Should have let me make you one

[lightbulb27]

A lot of truth there, and as usual amazing imagery... especially the dude looking at a picture of you, I took pause on that one. We are really blessed to have someone with your skills out here. a picture worth many words.

This stuff was all trained somewhere in life, and it is personality.

Question, if you've heard of Jesus. Was he a total wussie, or was he one of the greatest bad asses, or neither? The issue here is the "world" so to speak loves the animal masculine of man... fight, dominate, power. That's security in the world. There is another flavor of power, a more gentle power... Ghandi, MLK other examples... brilliance of word. They could have gottenout a gun... but they used word and lead. Trouble is... they often get killed by those with the physical power.

Other thing is handling women. I think ther eis something to raising ones voice over the woman, but I could be wrong on that. women are abusive and can be very hurtful. we are supposed to love them, but not feel pain. I still don't have this, I'm not where I need to be. Like men are these cold strong objects, but tender hearted. where is that trained?

[Wowgirl30q]

Thank you

[brennanhuff]

So you want guys who treat women with respect and calm and not get riled up. But like guys who want to fight and gun happy? Nothing wrong with guns, but this sounds like a contradiction. A man who likes to fight or wants to is aggressive, insecure tough guy trying to prove how masculine he is. So it's a contradiction you have there. The masculine guys are the one's who are balanced. They can provide for themselves and women and fix things. But they are not scared of being vulnerable and talking and opening up about shit that's bothering them. And if they like something that may not be stereotypical, they own that shit and don''t give a fuck. Like a dude that like a bright pink polo shirt and don't give a fuck. A guy can write poetry or something "soft", but also play fucking rugby and nothing wrong with either.

Everyone has balance in them, but guys often suppress or feel they might have to hide that. And your post kind of plays on how you want men to not be abusive maschismo pricks, but also like with fighting be so at times also, so kind of contradicts. The most confident men hold off on fighting as much as they can and will avoid it unless it means protecting themselves of their family and friends. But they practice discipline and restraint. You think your type 8th degree black belts or martial artists pick fights? They actually avoid fights at all costs, because they know the power of their fighting skill and how easily they could kill a man or seriously hurt him. It's those bitch ass, napoleon complex men getting into bar fights and ironically get their ass kicked or eventually have karma comeback to them.

[AndrewMG]

Some good points I agree with and some other points I'm not so sure about. I do think my great grandfather who fought in the trenches at 19 and then in mines afterwards would of been bemused by this generation of people making Instagram posts about being scared going out wearing a new hair style for the first time.. I think we have lost the idea of what courage/bravery on a physical level can involve but maybe are learning more about what mental courage involves. Ultimately confidence is a good thing as is sticking up for people you care about (on the flip side not caring about what people think of what you say/think, only works if you're not a c*nt). With regards to being scared of guns, I come from the UK, I'm not scared of guns, I just have no regard for people who obsess over them and think that holding a gun actually increases there masculinity, In the majority of the world citizens owning guns has not been the norm, so has never been crucial to the mandate of creation and survival, in fact it's had the opposite affect that any coward can use them to compensate for lack of articulacy or physical capability. All the same any take that encourages debate/argument deserves a thumbs up!

[AndrewMG]

@Wowgirl30q Just on a random side note, I'm sure one of those pictures is GSP.. my brother went to the same school as Dan Hardy who fought him though (though they were in different years).. not the greatest anecdote but hey it's all I've got!

[Wowgirl30q]

That's cool I know who hardy is

[hellionthesagereborn]

Bit contradictory. Also the reason why their are fewer men like that is because women have done everything in their power to neuter them. Back in the day you could resolve a conflict with your fists, now you will have your life destroyed for it (no thanks, I'm not going to prison because some one else decided they wanted to go on an ego trip (its not fear of them, its fear of losing my entire life due to the system in place (and fear that I would go to far if pushed to that point)). Further more because women keep demanding men to act like women we have seen a loss in masculinity. We also don't have men acting like this because quite frankly women have not acted like women in so long that their is no reason to bother, no matter what you do you get punished (this is why this is so sad, women constantly lecture men in how they should be yet women never look at what they have done to cause this mess (hormonal birth control hasn't helped)). All in all, you have no idea what masculinity means and should focus on how women should act (guarantee you are probably not doing anything "feminine" and have probably been one of those women ridiculing a guy for acting masculine in one way or another).

[Malik00]

Christ this is some of the most entitled, hypocritical garbage I've ever seen. I swear if a dude wrote a similar take but talking about how women should be they would be lambasted to hell and back.

Meanwhile this same kind of woman would openly laugh at a man if he isn't completely stoic 24/7. Maybe i enjoy being snarky, sarcastic and even a little sassy because GOD FORBID, i think being uber macho is completely overrated.

Like seriously, this is such a steryotypical take on how a man should act it's honestly insulting, expecting a man to love to fight, build their own shit and stuff, while at the same time expecting men to worship the ground you walk on?

And as for the whole "Respect" Thing. I'll give you as much respect as you deserve, if you're the type of woman who thinks she can just slap and beat the shit out of a dude and expect nothing to happen, but the moment he hits back you start acting like a victim? You can be that crazy lonely cat lady for the rest of your life.

Really this take is so pathetic i could go on for hours... ugh I need a drink.

[LogicBomber]

Hahaha I love this part...
"Treating A Women Correctly
Confident Men Treat Women Correctly"

Followed by shaming tactics. (calling men bitches for yelling at a female, or assuming when we are mad we hit women.)

Women want to be treated equal, then you need to expect to be treated like adults, not children. The truth is harsh and no one should have to soften it for you because "vagina".

You need to accept your choices and actions, not use emotional manipulation and expect that if you hit, you will get the backhand that will knock you into some common sense.

Respect is EARNED! If you act like a spoiled brat child, don't expect a male to treat you with dignity and respect. It's pretty simple.

I am confident. I have never hit a female because I have never HAD too. I expect my women to act like adults, and I hold them accountable for their words and actions. I don't candy coat shit for them and I don't kid glove them. If they play games and try shit tests... I quickly shut them down for their childishness. Petty shaming tactics and attempts at emasculation are also childish. If you want respect, you EARN IT!

[morrowlow]

you blame men who can't get women for being sore but you yourself sound like you've been badly hurt before and this whole take sounds like your way of getting back at men. you claim men who fight bitches are actually bitches. but in today's situation where women are acting like men if a man fights a woman, he's in fact fighting a man which makes him a perfect man and everything but a bitch. to be fair you made some good points too. but still how can a female understand what a man is, how a man feels, how he should feel, and what the pinnacle of masculinity is. you're attracted to a certain type of man but you don't really know what's made that man like that. so if even you don't know that how can you encourage other men to be like him. and i don't understand the point of your take. you're surprised men have changed and you don't like that? you should blame people of your own gender and especially feminists for that not men who are the victims of this world wide pussification of men agenda. you expect men to be confident around women when a man can be accused of sexual misconduct by insecure, petty women for something as simple as scratching their head. this is ridiculous! while you're bashing men for not being masculine, another group of women are persecuting men for being masculine by calling it toxic. make up your minds already

[Wowgirl30q]

No I herd men like cattle😂

[Oram52]

"He is the toughest, most macho, laid back guy in the room."
Confident men are not macho or toughest, that's why they act macho. I don't see them being laid back either.
I agree with being confident, its first primary attribute women notice in men, and it is key to being successful with girls. Its attribute both genders should have, I love confident women too.

"They are scared to fight and some even are afraid of guns."
Violence breeds violence, we should be avoiding physical altercations and fights. Eye for an eye make the whole world go blind. However yes we should be able to defend ourselves if necessary but avoiding conflict is the best solution.

My brother is much better at building stuff though. These skills aren't necessity anymore. As men no longer need to exert such physical strength these skills were never passed on, they are not necessary. Mechanics can just come and fix your car.

Men however definitely are losing these qualities. Girls want to admit or not, girls do want confident, masculine men. That's what men in romance novels are like.

But can you blame men though? The society and culture we live in now, being masculine is a negative thing, and that's how our grandmothers raised our fathers, and our parents raised our generation. Feminism demonizes and berates masculinity. Its called Toxic Masculinity now. What can guys do? They simply adapted.

I do not disagree with you overall (apart from being macho and fighting). There is a reason guys are struggling with girls. There are specific personality traits girls find desirable, and if you're confident and assertive those men wouln't posses those traits, therefore struggle with girls. Girls don't like guys who aren't mentally strong that's a fact. So I don't disagree when today men can't even muster enough courage to go ask a girl out, but want girls to approach them instead.

[purplepoppy]

I couldn't disagree more. I'm glad the days where men behave like animals are dying out. Confidence is not about a willingness to fight, resorting to violence merely demonstrates poor upbringing not confidence. Such behaviour may be acceptable on rough council estates but it is not in civilised society. If you don't care what people think then people won't care about you, not caring about others opinions is selfish. People who don't care what others think about them tend to be ill mannered uncultured oafs, the kind who fart in lifts.

[Manab]

I am very happy to see that women are supporting men’s emotions. As a guy I also can fight I know boxing and karate both but why should we fight on unnesseery things?
As per my personal experience some girls told me they want that kind of men that will show them there position and ravage them , fight for them , care for less. Honestly I even can’t get that logic. Sometimes I can get emotional too. Just because I am treating you right that does not mean I am boring 😕. My education also taught me to stay humble and don’t lose heads over everything. Many women still think a kind , selfless guy means weak and that’s causing many men to turn abusive. As long there will be girls like you there’s still hope 😊

[Jean-Marie_Céline]

I completely agree with everything you wrote, excellent myTake as always.
I really can't stand guys who can only whine and whine without doing anything to fix their situations or face their opponents.

That said, I learnt that in competitive work fields women too can be rivals and enemies, and as such I believe that in those situations it's better to deal with them as such - in a professional and polite way of course.

[Erikus12]

Everyone is a potential enemy in this world, men and women alike and you gotta overcome them

[Jean-Marie_Céline]

@Erikus12 More or less, yes.
Your comment inspired me a question.

[Erikus12]

Okay mate

[Wowgirl30q]

I try and thank you. I know my mouth gets out of control sometimes but I can't help it. I don't do it to be mean it's just who I am. It seems to upset a lot of people even though it's not directed at a certain?

[Wowgirl30q]

Well that was nice you inspired him.. I love seeing people nice and friendly on her.

[Wowgirl30q]

@Erikus12

[Wowgirl30q]

Here

[Jean-Marie_Céline]

You speak directly and without problems and some people don't like that, it's normal.
They want for everything to be sugarcoated, otherwise their feels get hurt.

[Jean-Marie_Céline]

I personally admire the way you do and speak and try to take example from you 👍.

[Wowgirl30q]

You are just so dang nice

[Jean-Marie_Céline]

👍👍👍👍👍

[MlleCake]

Ultimately, genuine confidence, rather than cockiness, speaks to a man who feels his life and existence are basically stable. Really, that's what confidence looks like in women too.

And stability is more alluring a trait than a lot of people care to admit, especially in times of extended uncertainty, which we are in the middle of.

It takes a lot of work to get to be that kind of confident in life, and for many people it's a fairly fleeting state. This is quite unfortunate. And there are many factors not in our direct control as individuals, which is a very unfair aspect of it.

I don't really have any "neener neener" cruel things to say about people who suffer from insecurities. Most of us do. It's just not a good idea to become a cocky asshole to compensate. Men have it hard because expressing need is sometimes seen as a weakness. Women can get away with it a bit more because of the way we see gender norms.

[VIVANT]

I don’t think it’s reasonable to aim to be a coward, no matter the gender.

I don’t have any problem with the traits mentioned here as in *confident male *... but these really just good abilities to have as an adult.

I don’t see the benefit for anyone to be carry or fearful or petulant or whiny..

Of course everyone can not be the strongest person in the room😊.. We’ll have to let that one go. But there are many wits to be reign boyfriend confidence comes from ability to have an impact- not simply the potential. You can be gigantic and get nothhhg five. Character believes perseverance intentions, accounts for so much. Meanwhile, people can aim to be as strong as they dan he- which in the computer desk sitting era- will be way stronger than most , at present.😊😊🙃

[VIVANT]

I’m not in general im not not attracted to confident people- provided they are humble. I find arrogance revolting. but if I felt catty or whiny or fearful myself... If I don’t feel confident- that’s a turn off to me... Of I don’t feel pride in my own actions and ability it won’t matter how confident someone else is.

[VIVANT]

I think ultimately we all have different strengths friending on our life history and we will be drawn to those who compliment us. If men are less macho than in past times we live in different times. Strength has different representation.. and women carry their weight so it’s bound to have an impact on the balance of things.

I’d rather be strong myself and be with a guy who is maybe not quite as strong as he might’ve been.. I’m ok with that. I’d rather share power 😊😊

[Wowgirl30q]

Makes sense my love I see what your saying.

[hahahmm]

There’s a flaw in your thinking that if a man yells or is violent with a women he’s “a bitch”. If a 1 pound rat attacks a man he has every right to kill it without hesitation. Yet a 100 to 160 pound woman thinks she can threaten/assault a man without consequences? Wrong.

In the old days men did not have to use self defense on women because women were smart enough not to attack men. Now there are many women who start physical trouble with men or threaten it. If you mouth off to a guy you don’t know expect equal rights to be delivered,

[RolandCuthbert]

I get what you are saying. But there is just one problem. You are a woman. You do not get to define what is a confident male. You get to state what you are attracted to in men.

We are the only ones who can define what masculinity is.

And GaG is one of the few places on the net where the males constantly avoid that conversation.

What Are Masculine Traits? ↗

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

Well said. Also, I somehow missed the Take you linked to. Nice job there, too.

One of the most common things I see here on GAG is guys trying to define what it is to be a man *in the context of what it means to be a woman*. Every other post is something about how Feminists did something or another to men, like we're victims whose identity is defined more by what women do/think than by our own means. Guys cling to a 1950's definition of what masculinity is and do everything they can to resist the idea that this definition may need to change somewhat to get with the times.

For example, in your Take, #12 "Men can fight for years with depression". Why? There's no reason for this, other than a social stigma that conflates depression with weakness. While at the same time we preach to young men than a Real Man should constantly be working to improve himself... except if it's mental health.

Anyway, I'd love for us (guys on GAG) to have this convo more often.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

@HungLikeAHorsefly But wanting society to "get with the times" isn't guaranteed to make it end well, either. I'm convinced there was a reason gender-values and family from until the 1950s was sacredly protected.

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

@UncleJessieRabbit The point isn't so much what we do, it's how we do it. If we, as men, have good reason to embrace a 70 year old identity for what it means to be a man, then at least we know who we are. However, we don't have a good reason to full embrace that ideal as-is. Not dealing with mental health is dysfunctional, as is outward sexism in today's society. Just as examples; I'm sure there are other reasons to deviate slightly from the 1950's archetype.

[RolandCuthbert]

@HungLikeAHorsefly Gents, I have to run. I will try to respond to your posts on Monday. This weekend is game weekend!!!

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

@RolandCuthbert Ha! Looking forward to it; have a good weekend!

[RolandCuthbert]

@UncleJessieRabbit Yeah, uhm. . . as Hung says. If you want to base your masculine identity on the 1950s more power to you. But if the way women identify, if the way they define their issues, if the way the world works is critical to that definition. . . then you are in serious trouble.

That leads to conversations late at night in home. . . alone by yourself. . . while you are cleaning your gun.

We are just saying, perhaps that is problematic.

I am old fashioned. I have an old fashioned woman. Not really concerned what else everyone is doing as long as they don't bother me.

[RolandCuthbert]

@HungLikeAHorsefly Yeah, when I got here and saw all the posts, I was just speechless. No wonder so many young guys are angry. Because they define their masculinity the way it is defined in other cultures. . . by how much dominance they have over women.

American women are not going to dominated. . . well. . . at least not in that way. . .

:D

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

@RolandCuthbert I can understand that to some degree - not everybody on GAG is an American, after all. Whether or not their culture's view of masculinity is functional... that's a different story.

Another thing that bothers me about this whole debate is that I always hear about how modern men are effiminate, non-masculine, bitchy, etc. But is that actually true? I mean, there's the 1950's archetype we've been talking about but how many men actually embodied those traits in the 1950's versus today? The media we consume today (television & movies) makes guys seem lesser than in previous decades, but how accurate is that really? Most of my male friends aren't like that at all - they're what I would call real men. Then again, maybe I just have selection bias.

Anyway, there's a lot of sentiment here on GAG that instead of taking a good, hard look at what it means to be a man in the modern world, we should just take the world back to the way it was in the 1950's... err, I mean the way televisions shows in the 1970's made the 1950's look. Unfortunately though, that's never going to happen. It's a non-starter.

The irony is that I personally agree with like 95% of that 50's idea of what masculinity means. The changes I'm interested in are modest, like:

- Don't be sexist. Acknowledge and support the fact that women have careers now and that traditional gender roles don't *necessarily* apply. You might have to wash some dishes or change a diaper. Your wife/GF might mow the grass. She might make more than you do. It doesn't make you less of a man.

- Men should be constantly improving, and if there's something wrong, they should fix it. That includes mental health. If you're depressed, fix it. Don't just ignore it. It didn't work for your father or your grandfather or your great grandfather, and it isn't going to work for you.

- You don't have to know how to change the oil in your car (although it's a good idea), or like guns or whatever. Just don't be afraid of it.

[RolandCuthbert]

@HungLikeAHorsefly I think we have to first agree that in some ways GaG is very different than regular everyday life. I never hear this amount of whining from so many men in my everyday life. There are a few who may be resentful of women because of a divorce or something, but this place is a whole 'nother level.

Maybe it is because people know they have to watch themselves in public maybe? I am not sure.

As for how men define masculinity today, I just think they have to start someplace. We have to start having conversations about masculinity, its different definitions. What's healthy, what's not. We need to take responsibility for this conversation because women are really bad at defining what it means to be a man.

But I largely agree with you.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

@HungLikeAHorsefly I'm not saying that everything about life decades ago was perfect either, but there are some good things we have lost from back then. Women may have careers now and kudos to them, but for the most part I still agree that the more "old-school" as far as roles go, the more optimal. Once again it doesn't say that women can't have careers.

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

@UncleJessieRabbit Sure, I think I would agree that I do as well. I'm just saying that if, for instance, your wife makes more money than you do or if you end up making dinner more often then that makes you less of a man. It's ridiculous to think that, yet some people do.

[RolandCuthbert]

@UncleJessieRabbit "I'm not saying that everything about life decades ago was perfect either, but there are some good things we have lost from back then."

I think we are saying, it doesn't matter. We need to start talking about what masculinity is. And how it is defined. And for you, if it is about the 1950s. Cool.

As long as you can figure out how to be at peace with the choices that other people make.

Again, I am old-fashioned too, but outside of me and mine I don't really care what people choose.

I don't think we are having the same conversation.

[OlderAndWiser]

I was with you on everything except when you called one group " insecure bitch ass acting, low T-level type men." Actually, testosterone level does not correlate with a man acting like a man.

Also, you need to give some credit to these boys' mothers. They are the ones who raised these boys to be afraid of their own shadow.

[JustWorthlessMe]

The fallacy returns... it was about that time.

A random woman talks about confidence trying to make men feel bad about themselves (an art they master) but leaves out the important part.

Many men feel less confident around women because, unless you're attractive, 99% of women will laugh at you if you try to act confident. It's not like you can lash out at the abuse because then you're the bad guy.

Now I know a few "confident" men that are so self-assured that they'd hospitalize any woman who dared mock them. I often wonder if being a good guy (who wouldn't do that) is worth it... the confident abusers still get women because of their looks (Women's moral code is ignored if the guy is attractive... hence all of the women who kill their children to make the handsome piece of trash happy)

[Number39]

Confidence is a load of trash and this post doesn't do a very good job at defend confidence if we are looking at the dating side then women tend to go for looks when women say they want a confident guy they are saying they want an attractive guy. Confidence = attractiveness. Secondly, in social situations men can't be confident nowadays when they are being targeted just for being male not to mention the countless law suits/ arrest made because of sexual harassment men these days have to be careful about what they say which completely removes the 'speaking your mind' part.

[Number39]

A few grammar errors i found...

[goforlife]

Some of what you describe is just narcissism and guys (or girls) who really just DGAF about anyone else. So they don't get upset, not because they are so cool, but because it doesn't matter to them.

This can be a good thing in many situations, but it also can hurt deeper relationships because it signifies a lack of empathy, sympathy and basically being socially aware and cooperating with others, putting other people's needs first, etc. Being considerate and putting others first is a big benefit to a community in a species like ours that is so social and depends on interaction. Guys who are too extreme in the ways you describe end up being respected perhaps, but also a bit alone when it comes to more intimate relationships.

[KissesAndKiwis]

Wh- This is far from retarded. Like somebody said, Im glad men like this are dying out. Most guys aren’t scared to fight, They just know when to get down when necessary not to solve any solution. You WILL hear a real man say “I just had a good cry” but you will NOT hear a egotistic man say “I just had a good cry”, Huge difference. Anyways with that being said this is such a hypocritical opinion. Times are changing and so are women’s expectations, We don’t want men who try to act machó all the time.

[ARboy]

Well said. Fuck machos. I’m proudly feminist 💪🏼