1. Women you see online who look dramatically different with makeup are actually professional makeup artists who have excellent skills and extraordinarily expensive tools to make that kind of jaw dropping change.
They must be about 0.1% of the population.
2. Tell me again, how does a woman's face and the amount of makeup she has on it make her a person to trust of not? I thought women were dramatic but THIS kind of thinking is dramatic. Like "ohh I feel fooled because she has make up on." So what? Why would you evaluate her based on something as superficial as the make up on her face. Has the world really gone that shallow?
3. Make up is just a tool to make women feel or look more beautiful. Us wearing make up is like a man growing a beard, trying new haircuts, correcting a unibrow etc. It is only a mean of accentuating what's most beautiful in us or correcting what we are self-conscious about in order to feel better. That's the aim of it; FEELING more beautiful from the outside. NOT fooling you, or any other guy.
Any person out there wishes to improve their appearance because we live in a world where looks matter and that is something that nobody can deny. I bet than even men who have a physical "flaw" that they don't like, such as some severe acne scars wish they Could just get to cover it with make up (in case they live in a community where men don't put makeup)
Men are not less flawed than women, and don't age better than women. Men are just allowed to be flawed and allowed to age. Women are the most preassured to look beautiful thanks to media. When my mother sees that Jlo is her age and looks 20 and like that, she feels like she has to be that hot too. But when dad sees Liam Neeson beeing his age and being perfectly allowed to look that old, it's okay.
Also, Go check some made up girl's picture online, look at the likes and read comments. Go check some girl's natural face picture and by natural I mean a normal, average girl, not on of the 1% who were born flawless, and check the comments/likes section if there are any. Then you will understand.
Many men complain of the make up, but they adore the outcome of it, which is so hypocritical. And that's why they also made the "no make up make up" to put so much make up and look like they didn't because men of 2017 are a walking contradiction.
You should set your beauty expectations. If you want a natural looking girl, excpect that there will be flaws.
Unlike the guy, I personally do expect there to be flaws. I'd prefer that over near-perfect but fake beauty any day.
@princesslolita you're welcome :))
Make-up are chemical compounds (cosmetics) used to ENHANCE or ALTER the aesthetics of humans. Mostly are used by women but men are catching up too.
The word came about in 1808, translating "to apply cosmetics".
Make-up was practised by Egyptians, and has been used for very long time to alter appearances.
I would class hair dying, nail polish, creams, skin care chemicals, foundation, eye liner, eye shadow, etc as make-up.
I agree that make-up is bad.
My reasons being:
1. The harsh chemicals are absorbed by the skin. For example in the past women dyed their hair with arsenic, this killed them. I am sure many women will die from certain make-up products and history will repeat itself.
2. It is very bad for our self esteem to wear chemicals to alter or enhance our appearance to be able to buy pears. Furthermore, make-up is mandatory in certain jobs now. We should accept each other in 2017 not discriminate.
3. Covering your pores for a long time is not a good thing. The pores exist to flush out toxins.
4. The biggest factor is, it's a illusion no matter how little it is applied. It tricks the man's brain to think that the woman in front of him is aroused, healthy, ready to reproduce and wants to have sex with him.
Let me explain 4 by some examples:
Eye liner - this alters the eyes by creating a illusion of eyes which are dilating, also when a woman is turned on blood flow causes the eyes to slightly darken around the eye lid.
Red or bright lips - this shows a man the woman is aroused because when blood flows to her vagina, it also flows to her mouth making her lips brighter than normal.
Clear skin/ glow - this shows that she's fertile and ovulating.
I can give more examples...
Personally I choose not to wear any makeup, bras, heels, shaving etc because I believe this disrupts my body and sends signals and is a illusion. I don't really care what other women do.
But the truth is makeup is a illusion to make women look better if done right, and men have every right to be cautious about it.
You'll die alone and unloved, or become a crazy cat lady, fix yourself up while you're still young enough to sucker a man into marrying you.
@Bezbozhnikustanka thanks
I think that they're extremely dramatic and often a bit self-centered to an extent. Most women don't look THAT dramatically different without makeup.
Allow me to show you using myself as an example.
Me with makeup:
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Me WITHOUT makeup and no filter:
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The guys who really think that women shouldn't wear makeup so that they don't feel "tricked" likely haven't had much successful interactions with real women in the first place and have never actually experienced this. I've noticed it's almost always the "picky always single" types of set the bar so strict that a woman isn't allowed to experiment with her hair or makeup because he doesn't want to feel fooled that she didn't come out of the womb totally perfect.
It's just goofy to me because if you fall for a girl with heavy makeup like that girl, doesn't that say something about YOU and what YOUR standards are? If you think a girl looks so hot with a cake face why do guys get upset when women wear it? That's where y'all have me confused. This unrealistic look of beauty is obviously what these guys seek, but then they get pissed when the smokey eyes come off at the end of the day.
Like... wut?
My man prefers me without makeup but he told me from the very beginning that he's attracted to me either way and it isn't his place to tell me I can't wear makeup just to appease him. Getcha a man like that.
"because he doesn't want to feel fooled that she didn't come out of the womb totally perfect."
This almost applies to me except I'm not delusional enough to expect her to be perfect. I know for a fact that her skin, like my own, is imperfect, that she has bags under her eyes like I do, and all sorts of other issues. But still, I'd want to see those over cake any time of the day. Perhaps I'm the weird exception in this case.
I get not liking cake face - most girls don't even like cake face. But I couldn't be with a guy who made me feel like I wasn't allowed to put on mascara or lipstick for a day because he is so obsessively paranoid over my appearance. I get not preferring makeup but these guys with extreme makeup paranoia confuse me - just avoid girls who wear a TON of makeup, it's pretty obvious. Lol.
Well if I were together with a girl, I wouldn't want her to feel like that either. Not my place to tell her what to wear and where, just that I'd still be somewhat displeased if she did do it.
And yeah, that is perfectly obvious - the guy in the pic is an idiot indeed.
Yeah and I was displeased when my man shaved his head - but I didn't criticize him for doing it. Relationships, as much as they are about your satisfaction, one person's desires never takes precedence over the other's. It's supposed to be give and take. Most women wear makeup - blame it on conditioning, beauty standards or whatever, but you have to ask yourself at the end of the day: "Is this girl wearing a bit of makeup going to make her undateable to me?" (not cake face)
If so I think you over-value her appearance. I 100% support having standards and being attracted to your partner but I have to side eye everyone who is a little TOO critical.
All very well said indeed.
Yessir.
I agree with your post, though I'd have to emphasize this:
Wearing makeup is perfectly fine and you will not hear criticism from me. But when you're caking it up so heavily as woman that you completely change one hundred percent on daily basis, there is a larger problem underneath that is smothered by plastering makeup on. And yes, I get that everyone has those days where they want to go fully bonkers because they can. That's great. Hell, if you'd choose to do a full goth look tomorrow (example) then you hear nothing from me. But if it's a structural problem that people cover so much that they no longer resemble the true person underneath, that's when I tap out and say something.
@RJGraveyTrain Of course, what do you think I'd been doing. Personally I find minimal or subtle looks attractive, to the point that you'd almost say "Wow she barely has any at all". But that's exactly it. A preference. My preferences hold no value other than what me and my (future) partner attach to that.
Wow, you have really good skin.
@AlwaysBelieving Thank you.
A lot of the girls on here are telling us "its obvious they are wearing make-up" which is fine. I totally can tell when girls are wearing make-up. However, what I can't tell is HOW UGLY THEY ARE WHEN THEY TAKE IT OFF!!! Some girls look great without make-up. Sometimes girls who wear make-up take it off and they still look just as good as they did with it on. however some girls when they take off their make-up look like the grouch from sesame street. The issue is that it's important to know how they look without make-up, sometimes the difference is so staggering that if they took it off in a restaurant bathroom and came back to the table I'd have to ask them to leave because my date would be coming back soon. THE TRUST ISSUES ARE VALID.
See the problem for me isn't makeup. It that a girl without makeup that looks what is considered to be average. (5 or 6) puts on makeup becoming a (8,9, or 10) than suddenly she feels that she is in the same league as a guy who is naturally a 8,9, or 10. And anyone who not an 8,9 or 10 she thus than consider a downgrade. Not saying all women are like that. (Look at Beyonce and Jay-z as a prime example.) But a lot off women tend to be like that.
Sorry to say but that guy clearly has makeup on
Man, I'm pretty sure he does have makeup.
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Honestly it's pretty simple: don't date a girl who wears crap ton of makeup on a day to day basis and you'll be good. The only time a woman will look drastically different without makeup is if she piles it on. If she only uses a little bit to enhance her features, she's not gonna look THAT much different with it off. The girl in the photo, it is pretty obvious in the made up picture that she is wearing a ton of makeup. That doesn't necessarily mean she will look bad without it (as this girl does), but you really can't tell. Girls who only wear a little bit, are not going to have a drastic change in appearance without it.
For me I don't have flawless skin but it is overall good and pretty healthy looking, I just use a light liquid foundation that has vitamins in it (to actually also improve my skin by wearing it). Of course my skin looks so much better with it but it's not a drastic change like the girl in the pic because it's not caked on. Also as a natural blonde my eyebrows and eyelashes aren't very visible without some brow pencil and mascara... So most natural blondes are going to need to use those to make their eyes pop. However if they are lightly applied she's not going to look fakish or tons different. In my experience most guys seem to prefer a woman who wears a light amount of makeup, skillfully applied, just enough to enhace her features without completely covering up what she looks like naturally.
I never wear make up. I know I look awful with my dark circles (makes me look tired and a bit older than I actually am)
but I don't want to lie to myself and I don't want to depend on make up.
when some of my friends who constantly have make up take it off at times and go "no make up" they look sooo different and it makes their original skin look so faded and they almost look ill.. they lose that vibrant look on their face makeup provides for them..
it feels like once you get into it there is no way back out of it
so I stay away from face-painting and just be myself.
Well said.
I honestly think it's pretty shallow.
Most of the time you can tell when a girl has caked her face with makeup since she most probably doesn't naturally have 10 cm long eyelashes, skin that's perfectly one even tone, glittery eyelids, purple lips and bootleg nike logo eyebrows.
If you're OMG SO sCaReD!!!1!1!! of seeing what a girl might look like without makeup, then go for the girls who don't cake their face. Problem solved. Y'all are making a big deal out of a literal non-issue. Like I'd rather be a guy and have to try to see through a girl's makeup, than be a girl and try to constantly dismantle guys' fuckboy behavior, bullshit lies abusive tendencies.
Perhaps only a few girls "cake" their face, the overwhelming majority will still have something on it.
But if it will look good without it, why even enhance it then?
To each their own then
Went through some of your comments. Guys are conditioned to show their true colors? Ok, but like 90% of guys are also conditioned to completely slam girls who don't wear any makeup, quite like you did in this question of yours by posting this pic of this girl you think is ugly without makeup (without her consent too, I'm assuming). Basically what y'all are saying is "girls are hot with makeup but shouldn't wear it because it's unnatural and fake, but when they don't wear it we'll call them ugly/sick/tired/pale etc". Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I am not responsible for those guys but I will admit that it is also unfortunate that they do so. Believe what you want of me, but I'm not the typical deluded idiot who whines about women wearing makeup but drools over Instagram models and goes for caked up faces. When I say that I prefer no makeup, I actually legit mean just that.
But yes, I can admit that unfortunately most guys who claim that they "prefer natural" are indeed hypocrites. Wish it wasn't so.
Also, I never mentioned anything about this girl. I never even said that she's ugly, that and I found the pic online, obviously.
My intention with the picture was to display the 'issue", not ridicule the girl in it.
You're putting words in my mouth, and I've specifically already addressed the fact that I never claimed that she was unattractive.
I take most of me ideas for questions from 9gag. This was a post on that site from a couple of weeks ago. I didn't purposefully choose this picture, I chose it because it was of this subject matter.
And it's kind of odd how now you're the one claiming she's not beautiful.
I can easily post a pic without agreeing with the person's expressions within a pic. I don't see how it's that hard to grasp.
But you do agree though considering that you don't want to be fooled by girls and you've made it a point that you prefer natural beauty? Lol. I have a hard time believing you mindlessly posted this pic just because you found it on 9gag. You can try to dumb yourself down but the intent is there.
I don't see a point in trying to convince you otherwise then.
lol to the guys face in the picture. But honestly guys say they don't like makeup but will still get with a girl who does wear make up anyways. As long as she has a natural pretty face.. then i feel like guys don't care that much. I see guys who date girls who wear make up like this all the time:
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With or without make up, this girl has a cute face.. thats what really mater to them really.
in a way that picture kind of proves guys do like make up lol
she's trying too hard ofcourse guys are gonna like her she's fake beauty and men like that
That's just a copout men who are insecure af use to act like the reason why they're not trying to get with women who are undeniably attractive is out of their control rather than mustering up the courage they don't have and risking rejection.
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undeniably attractive is subjective. one can like fatties over vs models.
@Topkek1 no, never said that. However, out of the men who I have seen making comments similar to having trust issues due to a girl wearing makeup, of all things.. none of them were attractive or even close to average. Maybe not quite as offputting in the guy in the meme, but not all that far off.
The guy in the meme isn't bad looking though.
"undeniably attractive"
Also, it's not a cop out if the girls *is* actually wearing a ton of make-up and when it comes off she really does seem like a whole different (and less attractive) person. The problem isn't rejection, its being accepted by someone who turns out to be someone you didn't want.
Dismissing it as a cop out sounds like a cop out to me.
@AllThatSweetJazz why are you bringing up quotes not made by me?
Literally what I was going to write... No need for my comment now! Haha
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You literally used the words "undeniably attractive" in your first post.
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@AllThatSweetJazz thanks captain obvious.
You first ask him why is he bringing up quotes you didn't write and when he points out that you did actually write it in your very first post, you call him Cpt Obvious? What else was he supposed to say in this instance?
You both wrote it. And it seems his response was aimed at you as well. At least to me.
You calling him Cpt Obvious was unnecessary and somewhat rude.
It is a quoted term... from you... which you just admitted... but it's also not a quote by you?
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My point is the amount of sense you're making is precisely zero.
I never said or even thought you were referencing the man.
@AllThatSweetJazz seeing as how you quoted m and followed it up by saying that it's not a copout by a man, your thinking I said it in reference to a man was implied.
No, that's called an interpretation and your interpretation was wrong. I know what I was implying. It was mostly just a simple jab at the nonsensical nature of the term itself, but could also be highlighting that the use of it speaks of a person who doesn't seem to believe that other people could see the world differently. It could also have been pointing out that it might the kind of language used by someone who was feeling defensive. That last one's a stretch but meh, feel free to use any or all of those interpretations. I feel like any of them can be conveyed to my satisfaction by simply parroting the term.
It would be so perfect if right here you voice a sense of authority over me when it comes to the intent of my verbiage.
@AllThatSweetJazz
LOOOOL omg you're far from perfect. Nobody who had their head on straight, or was even close to perfect, would get their panties in a twist and argue over completely irrelevant semantics like the ones you and your chump of a friend have been doing here. (I have a feeling you guys both look+behave like the guy in the meme I posted, hence why you got all pissy)
guys whats up with all the notifications. stop fighting lol.
kayla way to assume what every man likes though. we aren't in their heads. and we definitely haven't met them all. i don't know what kind of excuses they devise as you say, but i'm no position to judge them. i don't believe in alpha men and crap like that, so i don't know if and what kind of excuses some men possibly make. some may indeed find women unattractive or had some weird infantile experience of some sort. i never judge if i dont have the big picture.
@levantine99 I didn't judge?
all I said was some of the reasons for making statements like 'I have trust issues only towards women who wear makeup' that I've heard men in real life make. (judgement =/= actual occurrences.)
@levantine99 If you don't want notifications from these two goons tripping over their dicks as they try to make a single sound argument, feel free to mute the question by clicking the '...' at the top right corner.
makeup doesn't make you trustworthy or untrustworthy. maybe they meant something else? maybe they view it as a "if she has to fake her appearence what else she has to hide internally"? or they see it as too much attention on sperficial issues? I don't know.
@levantine99 maybe. They could've meant anything. I've tried to figure that out but as you can see if you read above, all they were really able to do is reply with shit like this: 'Just go on any dating app and you'll see landwhales saying stupid shit like: "I only date 6" tall and secure men".' rather than a response that would clarify what they meant.
My comment wasn't about the original question so I have nothing to 'clarify' in that respect.
'Panties in a twist' you say? I devoted two measly words to address something minor that I thought was funny and they weren't even my words - and now here you are throwing insults, calling people chumps and tell us we *must* be losers. Do go on about how it must be everyone else who's panties are in a twist and not yours.
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@AllThatSweetJazz
nah. You've pulled enough shit out of your ass (I called you losers? As if you're enough of a concern to me) for the week. I'll leave you be.
"I have a feeling you guys both look+behave like the guy in the meme"
Did I pick the wrong interpretation when I went with loser? :P
That's fine, but whatever you meant was an ad hominem.
Good talk, mate.
I think it's a bit two faced to be honest.
Like. I get it, say someone has a skin condition like roseacea. Of course they want to hide it. Women use make up. But there is no written rule that men can't too.
Also, any moron who believes my eyelids are naturally a glittery green needs an IQ test, not a girlfriend.
If a guy is gonna have "trust issues", then don't be with a girl who enjoys wearing makeup. Simple. Most times, wearing makeup helps women feel more confident. We also enjoy the process of putting it on, like a form of art or a hobby lol. Should men not trust women who just want to feel a little more confident (mainly for themselves)? What about a guy that has facial hair? Isn't that like a cover up for men to hide any imperfections or to help them look better? It's similar to what makeup does for women. You don't hear women crying "trust issues" over that...
"If a guy is gonna have "trust issues", then don't be with a girl who enjoys wearing makeup. Simple."
-That's the exact same response of most women here. Part of the issue is that the majority of women wear some form of makeup.
Also, facial hair is natural.
It is natural. But nowadays, some men purposely grow it out & groom it to make their facial appearance look better. Am I wrong?
But yeah, lot's of women wear makeup. And lots of women can look completely different without it. Or, can be both beautiful with & without any. But still, there's a good majority of women that wear minimal to no makeup at all. So it's not like they don't exist lol.
As for a man not being attracted to a woman without makeup, fine. That his preference. But to not trust her, ridiculous.
Natural or not, with a beard you can still create the illusion of having a different facial shape (stronger chin etc). I have a few guys in my class who are rocking the thick beard look, and when I went to their facebook and saw some photos with them without the beard. Looked like completely different people.
Just think it's silly that guys think it's so shocking and like, the end of the world that a girl has some acne underneath her makeup. I wouldn't freak out like that if a guy had acne underneath his beard so I really don't see what the big deal is. I just see a bunch of people whining about the fact that girls aren't born with glittery eyelids.
As I said elsewhere:
There's a major difference between doing your makeup and "baking a makeup pie". If you wish to use your makeup to accentuate and/or conceal, that is fine by me. But once you turn in a completely different person between the two moments, you're crossing the line. That's like me grabbing purple paint, plaster it on my face and then wonder why no one really recognises me or addresses me when I don't put it on.
As for my beard, I don't have mine to hide any imperfections. Hell, my skin is dry as hell and nothing I do seems to fix that. Yes, that dry skin is outside my beard as well. Should I now, by that logic, go full fuzzy to cover things up? You, ma'am, misunderstand why beards are amazing.
I would have trust issues as well even though I'm not into women. This kind of extreme makeup usage is disgusting. I don't think they realize how much they're lying to themselves. I'm 100% natural and I am proud of it. About 99% of my friends wear makeup. When they take it off they look completely different and kind of I'll. I've seen some who literally look like they're slowly dying. One day a girl I knew went a day without wearing makeup. We didn't even know it was her and people thought that some new person enrolled in school. I also feel once you start using it you begin to rely on it. Girls need to be confident with their natural beauty instead of relying on makeup.
Your last sentence sums up my thoughts very well.
Your average girl doesn't change drastically like the one you posted simply because the average girls doesn't have the time to do a full face make up everyday. Such a look takes probably at least 45 minutes to an hour to complete!
In my opinion make up makes a drastic change to the face only if the girl doesn't have enough eyebrows naturally and has really bad skin.
I don't care what men say about thinking girls are better looking without makeup it is BS!!! I bet most of the girls here notice a difference with the way men treat them when they go out in public without it compared to when they wear it.
I'm not artsy so my makeup skills are poor at best and very basic but if I go out without it i might aswell be invisible! Most days I go without because I couldn't give 2 f***s if im not there however, on those days men around me also behave obnoxious and ignorant but then I see them treat a girl caked in makeup on a whole other level.
sorry guys you ask for this
I think it's pretty hilarious actually. Some girls wear makeup just because, but one thing is pretty common: if a girl is trying to be more attractive to potential partners, one things she has available is makeup. If you take that into consideration, it sounds like a typical misogynistic double standard. It's like saying guys want girls to be attractive and to at least try, but then if she does wear makeup she's a fraud. Which is it?
Advice to guys: if she looks like she's wearing a lot of makeup, maybe she has something to hide. If guys haven't figured that out by now, they need to get educated. Straight girls have similar problems (although not to the same degree, don't get me wrong) For example, if a guy is wearing really nice clothes he may seem more attractive than he actually is. Also if he has a nice car, and don't forget about sunglasses! I understand it's not quite the same, but when you're in the dating scene you need to be aware, no matter who you are.
Reasons why someone might have trust issues:
Been cheated on multiple times
Been lied to constantly by a partner
Been abused
Been sexually assaulted
Etc.
Found out a date's eyelashes weren't actually 2 inches long and her lips weren't actually bright red... hmm... not sure about that one.
Admittedly someone like that would be stupid - but what if she uses no makeup-makeup then that's a different thing.
So, found out date's eyelashes and eyebrows are slightly lighter than they looked, and she might have some dark circles or a few pimples that were less visible under the makeup. Still not worthy of "trust issues" in my opinion.
But why would she cover them then?
Because most people feel more confident when their skin looks more even.
But then it's fake
And? People do all kinds of "fake" things to make themselves look a little better or more acceptable. Shaving is also fake. Would you like girls to stop shaving their legs and pits? How about your face?
You can't really compare artificial chemicals with natural hair.
I'm comparing it to removing one's natural hair.
I mean, you can't really think a black line, very long/voluminous/dark eyelashes, eyebrows with no skin showing, perfectly flawless skin, and red lips are naturally mine?
I mean, guys say they prefer absolutely no makeup but most girls I know get approached way more often when wearing a decent amount of makeup sooooo.
Preferring no makeup may apply to when you're thinking of something really serious with a woman. Also, guys often have no choice but to approach girls with makeup because there practically are no naturally-faced girls.
lies they just love fake looking hoes simple lol
I know sooooo many girls who don't wear makeup ever, a lof of them don't get approached very often. In fact all of my close female friends wear no makeup.
I've been in situations where I've been out with friends and I'm wearing pretty heavy makeup, a few guys approach me but these guys don't even look at my friends. Same has happened vice versa when I wear no makeup and I hang out with my friends who do wear it.
I'm just saying my experience, maybe it's not universal, but it's happened to me too often to say it's out of pure chance.
@jayjayyboiii you're a single 26 year old, stfu.
Of course, they won't get approached if they're being out-competed by fake girls who arguably look better.
The only way this can change is if no one wears makeup, but that will never happen.
As I said, these are instances where I'm wearing obvious makeup. Basically instagram makeup, if men dislike and distrust women who wear so much makeup then why would they continue to pick me over my makeupless friends? Or pick me at all?
You realize that you're contradicting yourself right @ThisDudeHere? So guys can have trust issues with girls who wear makeup, but at the same time still be choosing girls who wear makeup?
@sonia1990 You realize that you shouldn't put all guys in to the same bowl, right? Some guys go for fakes all the time, some guys like natural, some are hypocrites who rate instagram models as 10/10 but then somehow find it in them to complain that the girls they meet are fake, which I myself don't really understand.
With most girls the difference isn't as drastic as in the example you used but honestly if you're only interested in a woman because of how she looks then you should find someone else who has more to offer you. But yeah just cause a girl is wearing makeup doesn't mean she's hiding something or that she looks completely different without it. most girls basically look the same when they take off the makeup just with less eyelashes and normal colored lips
It's not about only liking looks. It's about recognizing that looks also matter - or in this case - natural looks.
Of course looks are a factor. I'm just saying that if it's so important to you that it would make you rethink your feelings about someone if they happened to look a bit different without makeup, then you shouldn't be with that person in the first place. Looks will inevitabley change with age anyways so you'd have to love someone for something other than their looks if you want to be with them long term.
You are obsessed! It's so easy to tell someone is wearing a lot of makeup when they're stood in front of you. If that's not your thing then don't see them again! You can tell something is covering the skin if she's completely poreless, eyebrows aren't naturally that dark or shaped and the eye makeup is really obvious! I wear makeup but it's usually just to add some colour to my eyes because I like crazy eyeshadow colours. If a guy don't like that then fine, whatevs. I'm not lying about my face though because he should realise what makeup looks like.
How am I obsessed?
"If that's not your thing then don't see them again!"
-I know, that's what I do.
Many guys can't tell makeup apart from the real thing because they have been seeing it presented as the real thing their whole life.
Even if you can tell they're wearing make-up, it doesn't mean you know what they look like without it! some girls still look good, some girls look like they've died and been reborn out of the dirt.
@Anywayysss you've totally missed the point but whatever.
Last time I checked, I can make as many questions as I want.
I should perhaps have specified that this doesn't exactly apply to me since I wouldn't be as dumb as the guy in the picture for being surprised. It's just a subject matter that I'm interested in.
If you want I can tag you the next time I ask this. For shits and giggles.
please elaborate the point i missed.
@Anywayysss please go back and read my point again.
I'm not obsessed and neither does it affect me. I simply like the subject matter and am interested in having a discourse over it. That and, not to sound conceited, as a number of my followers on this site grows along with the popularity, I can have more and more people participate in the discussion each time.
"Continuously discussing the same subject over and over = obsessed."
No debate is started just once and then dropped forever. You might as well claim that science or philosophy is obsessive.
"be constantly talking or worrying about something" = dictionary definition."
Constantly would be me being like that hairy guy who's every single question is about his body hair. And out of almost half a thousand questions over the span of almost three years, barely a few were over this subject. Statistically, that can not be obsessive.
And I'll just reiterate - I like the subject matter. Why can't I get renewed input over it? Especially, and I'm reiterating again, I can accumulate even more discussion over it as time goes by?
That and your profile is private - if I were to go through it, chances are I would come across the occasional "how do I look" or any other such question that women often re-ask over and over on this site. You can't really judge me in asking the same thing when you yourself can't be judged over it at all.
Because you're basically obsessing over how much you hate women.
And my profile was only recently made private because I was being continually harassed by someone who was creating different profiles. Not sure the relevance? I've never repeated a question in my time here. In fact I ask very few questions at all.
I'm not going to repeat over and over how I don't hate women.
And neither am I willing to repeat how this is not obsession over and over again as well.
Have a nice day, ma'am.
Lets see, all you said was that its easy to tell if a girl is wearing make-up. If its not your thing then dont date them, except if thats your point then its unrelated to the actual topic. The topic is that girls look pretty with make-up but when girls take it off, some look like zombies and it creates mistrust. Nobody said that we dont like how girls look with make-up. We just said that there is obviously going to be mistrust because some girls when they take it off are going to look butt ugly. So i said the issue lies in the fact that when girls wear make-up its always a gamble for what you're going to get. We can't only choose girls who dont wear make-up because they're too few and far between.
@Anywayysss once again proving you can't read. YOU CAN TELL WHEN SOMEONE IS WEARING A LOT OF MAKEUP. It's not that hard. You can tell. You can see that someone is hiding something. You can see uneven skin etc. If you can't, you need glasses.
Plenty of girls don't wear makeup. Date them. Or don't date at all. I can't see a guys dick size under his pants, does that mean he's lying and I can't trust him cause he might have a micro penis under there?
If a girl is wearing a lot of make-up, it does not mean that they have horrible acne or uneven skin. As i said, since you can't read, there are some girls who wear lots of make-up who still are very pretty without. Then there's the other girls. Believe it or not, there are other things other than uneven skin that a girl is trying to cover up. You can't tell.
@Anywayysss if she's very pretty without it then what's the issue? It's hardly 'lying' if she looks just as good without it. Either way you can still tell a girl is wearing makeup, if you look at her actual face you can tell. If you can't tell then it's time to invest in glasses.
Yikes well I like to admin selected cover for this post of before and after as it is more reasonable.
Look if a girl has on fake eyelashes Kardashian style, smokey eyes and everything else when you see her you aren't looking for the real. You're looking for arm candy or just an image at best.
If you want a woman to look more or less the same without makeup she will. That same bone structure, lips and everything. With me in the morning my hair is a bit messy, I'm a tad paler and need some under eye to cover the circles.
If we are out swimming, active or whatever I put some under eye cover up on, highlighting eyeshadow light and maybe slight blush. To mascara or anything more.
But I'm also not putting on fake eyelashes at night and flaming it up. It's one or the other hon.
Rita Hayworth alwayys said they go to bed with Gilda and wake up with me.
My friends tell me they wear make-up because they feel insecure about their acne, skin problems, etc. I always tell them your face is your canvas and you as the artist decide how you want to paint it and how much materials you wanna use...
I am not a huge fan of foundation and concealer and I've never used it because I feel that my pores simply can't breathe this way but anyone who feels comfortable using these products is allowed to use them... if it makes you happy... then you shall use it. I myself don't have long eyelashes and I couldn't go out without using an eyelash curler and mascara or at least using the curler... and brushing and fixing my eyebrows... putting on a balm for my lips... this is my make-up routine to pin me up. If guys have a problem with this... then I guess I ain't the right person for 'em.
If he couldn't tell that she wasn't born with dramatically drawn on eyebrows, purplish-brown lips and 2 inch long eyelashes (not to mention the extreme smokey eye) then he has much bigger issues tbh. Come on guys, you know she wasn't born with those dramatized and brightly colored features.
We all know she's not that flawless, we're not retarded lol but come on, we kinda have faith that she doesn't go from an 8 to a 2... like we think "ok, she's not that good" but we don't expect such dramatic change. It's like when Smeagol changed into Gollum, like you expected him to change, but not to change THAT much.
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@Thunnnder The most dramatic difference that isn't apparent is her skin, though. The acne is the biggest change (the eyebrows are so obvious, you can see the hairs on people who actually have eyebrows). Mind you, Concealer and foundation are considered minor (natural) looking make up for most folks.
I know what you mean but I wore foundation for a couple weeks last month and when I decided not to wear it 1 day, I asked my friend if my face looked worse without it and she was shocked that I was wearing any to begin with lol. Some people naturally have clear skin so foundation doesn't make any difference, that's why it's hard to define mere foundation as deception.
Exactly, but skin is super important when considering someone attractive. That's what really ruined her face. Yeah, the lack of eyebrow is bad too, but the main problem with her is her skin. When she has foundation on you can't really tell if her skin is gonna be bad without it or not. You know how her eyebrows are gonna be after she takes that off, same with the eyelashes, but you don't know about the skin.
@Thunnnder Okay but again, it depends on the person. People lie through their teeth all the time out of insecurity. That's like a guy lying about his dick size, a girl/guy lying about their sexual history, or people lying about their interests to seem more compatible. Is it deceptive? Hell yeah, Is it destructive long term? It honestly depends but that's what relationships are. They're a huge leap of faith.
I understand why you're concerned but most of the girls I know don't have that drastic of a difference without makeup, just like how nobody could tell that I had started wearing foundation (because my skin already looked clear). People do all types of stuff like dye their hair, wear spanx, shave their unibrow, etc, but you're caught up on make up somehow. I just think you're focusing in on a really big generalization. Which is causing you unnecessary worry.
I don't think the problem is not with men but with women who concealed too much of their facial flaws just to be so attractive to men. We can still use make up but not to the point of hiding too much of your facial flaws. It is not also advisable to wear tons of make up everyday. It will just make your skin more dull and dry.
And most of the men I know still wants to see a woman who barely have make up. Though they suggest to have powder or lipstick. :-)
I think it's silly. Honestly it's very easy to tell if a girl has caked on make up.
Trust issues-that is stupid.
Anyone can tell when a woman beats her face-if you see a chick with lots of make up on its a guarantee she looks nothing like the finished look. so if a man wants a relationship with a woman who beats her face, well he knew what he was getting into and prepare for the reveal.
i dnt wear a lot of make up. I think I have a very beautiful face. I get hit on a lot with or without make up and its roughly the same. I think the type of clothes is a bigger factor in how often I get approached or gawked at. I have hips and a really nice ass/curves so anything that hugs that area/pants/skirts/dresses it gets me more attention.
Anyway there are a lot of women who dont do their make up, dont glam up and are 100% natural. They are easy to find-if a man is so desires. Maybe he needs to broaden his search for girls outside of the bars and clubs.
So no complaints!
In the DNA selection process , for guys it's harder to select covered up beauty or not , because of a mask of cosmetics. It's really a curve ball. Then again this is a great indicator of personality secrets or character flaw. This is what I hear always from guys. On the other hand , the inside beauty is evident on the outside of a great woman. A woman may enhance her looks just a little and that's really beautiful. Her character and personality may shine from the inside out. I'm absolutely baffled at those who only persist on out side looks , rather than a great woman all in one. WTF... And women , you too. Some of the preferred attractions I've seen you with , gives a new name to stupid.
The guy's problem not mine. Good luck with finding a 100% natural woman. There are a few but not many.
One does not have to be super hot and sexy to be found. I'd pass up girls who go up to a 10 when with makeup for girls who are less, simply because the latter don't hide their face behind something.
Good luck then. To be honest I dont know of anyone that puts on that much makeup as the girl in the example above. Mostly we just put on a little to high light and thats about it. That girl looks like she was trying for the elven look. To be honest its mostly the younger girl who go to that length.
@Summerglo that's also a problem
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Very small percent of girls have naturally nice, healthy and flawless looking skin. That's why we use makeup.
Girls with makeup are much more often approached than those who go barefaced or only with mascara on.
So once a guy says that he has trust issues in this matter he's either an idiot who thinks that girls have the pin up look 24/7, know nothing about the makeup or complains about makeup but still date and drools over Instagram girls.
"Very small percent of girls have naturally nice, healthy and flawless looking skin."
-Neither do men. Yet you don't see men use it.
And the guy you described is a hypocrite if he drools over instagram girls.
There's a very large difference between a basic set of makeup to cover up some imperfections which, after doing so, makes you more relaxed and between putting up the entire makeup box with extremely strong accents (snookie-esque) to the point that everything about your visual appearance becomes a lie because you aren't that box of makeup. At that point, there are many many MANY women who are so incredibly insecure that they smother their skin in makeup which results in the skin never being able to fix itself over time. Mentally these women end up in a vicious cycle where it never is "enough" and often enough not even for their partner (in their perception).
I have no problem with women using makeup to address elements they find problematic on their skin. If it makes you happy, for sure. But when you use so much makeup that I could tap you on the back of the head and end up having a mask of makeup in my face (figuratively speaking), you've gone too far both practically and mentally.
@Savreth You don't know how much hard it can be. I don't use heavy makeup, hell I barely use it at all because I know it won't help me with my looks but being that much self-conscious is like being ill. It's very hard to overcome it. Also, some girls just like using a lot of makeup.
Girls wants to impress. We know that you guys care a lot about the looks, it's not like girls don't either, but girl can impress usually by her looks only.
@ThisDudeHere
I suffer from black circles under my eyes. I've seen only very few guys to have them. Guys actually seem to have better skin. Plus guys have longer, thicker eyelashes, eyebrows... things that we want but don't usually have so makeup is the only way. I don't use makeup though. I'm bad at it and think it's useless for me anyway. What I use is eyeliner/mascara. Still it doesn't help me much but I can't imagine going out without these because we, girls, can get quite nasty comments and other remarks on how we look without it. I already experienced that.
And honestly. I've never seen a barefaced girl to impress a guy.
I wanted to add something but I forgot... ho well. I hope I'll remember.
@Jemini_Crocket
It can be very hard, for sure. If you feel better with makeup then by all means, use it. But the problem that underlies this, as you mention, is a lot of self-doubt and self-consciousness that festers like a plague under your skin. No matter how much makeup you use, as long as you do not consciously address these challenges you'll always struggle with it. But, even so, appropriately used makeup isn't bad. It becomes bad when you have someone who literally changes their entire facial appearance so much that there's no correlation between their unique self and the societal-influenced drab that people expect.
You want to impress. Sure. But honestly, from my perspective, you don't impress with excessive good looks. Of course, it's definitely a foot in the door but if you don't have the personal qualities that I'd look for then it'll be a challenge to make it work. Looks fade but your attitude and behaviour stay. I want to see someone beautiful inside out even when I'm old
It literally depends on the amount of makeup. If there's enough for the guy to feel like you're a different person and he's not comparably attracted to that person then the straightforward answer is you overdid it with the makeup.
Hey you might be good at it and enjoy it, and sure you can shrug off guys that aren't into without makeup as assholes, but you're that's you doing what you want to do and expecting everyone to be on board. Fact is if you don't want to have these trust problems then you have to consider how they feel about you going ham on makeup and not do that.
I don't know about trust issues just because a woman wears that much make-up. Just be aware that she will not look like that under the make-up of she wears that much. I don't personally know anyone that wears that much make-up. Most of us don't even wear make-up unless we have to for a special event. I guess it just depends what circle of people you are around.
Too tired to get into a back and forth argument so I'll leave my opinion and you can react how you like. I find what you said borderline misogynist, my trust issues in a relationship are based on non superficial issue's such as make up, but more on what I consider trust to really mean. And if makeup makes anyone feel more confident/self assured/ happy within themselves then who the f*ck am I, you, or anyone else to judge?
In all technicality, anyone can judge anyone on anything.
OMG IM SHOOK. IM SHOOK AT THAT PHOTO HOLY MOLY ! I'm a lesbian so idc what guys think of me. I wear 0 makeup 24/7 and I honestly wish that girls around me would wear less makeup I find it more beautiful but ya know people weren't made to make me happy Lol.
It's hard situation cause it's hard to actually know how pretty a girl is without make up when they are so amazing at putting it on. Luckily for me I'm not great at putting it on so I don't go crazy with it so what you see is pretty much what you get.
I think trust issues are a bit strong - My own preference is the natural/no/light make up look, what amount of make up is used to achieve this is irrevelant to me - A person is entitled to wear what they want to look and feel their best - I am not going to wear ill fitting clothes - I will note her make up but I don't think it will be the casting vote on my impression of her
I really have no damn idea what is the relation between makeup and trust ! For me , I have no trust issues with make up , just too much of it is disgusting to me. Girls who like to put too much and look like circus clowns or even demons are very in need for psychotherapy :)
You gotta make her show you her face without any makeup at all before you date her or even have sex with her. Don't wanna bang an ugly girl
@sonia1990 what exactly do you gain by insulting a person? Everyone has needs, most people don't want to be with ugly people - it is their right. You wouldn't want to bang an ugly guy either, no?
I don't gain much by insulting him @ThisDudeHere. My only hope is to make him aware of his hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness. It was a crass thing to say, and quite obnoxious too. That's the pot calling the kettle black. I probably wouldn't want to be with a guy who was unattractive, I admit, but I wouldn't use such crass terms. Honestly though, if I was just looking for a hookup and he was well-endowed, I wouldn't mind.
it doesn't matter if the girl wears makeup, you should love her for who she is as a person and not for looks. also, most girls you see in magazines, on instagram, etc are edited to look an unrealistic way so don't be fooled
But her wearing too much makeup might be an indicator of what she is like a person. By your logic, should you ignore a guy with an unkempt hair and bear because you should love him for the person that he is?
Wrong honey. It's called 'attraction'. Ya got a lot to learn yet. :)
Totally justified. Girls may not realize this, maybe because they're not into girls, but some girls go from "wow" to "eww" when they take their makeup off.
The biggest problem I've noticed is their skin, which makes sense, they cake themselves up and don't let the pores breath, fucking up their skin.
Good skin is crucial to being attractive.
In the spirit of gender equality banks should issue men with fake and inflated account statements to make themselves more attractive to women.
I think that level of extreme difference shown in the picture is not so common and most of the time it is not so hard to realise someone is wearing too much makeup, possibly to cover something up.
Funny thing is females on Facebook wear cakes up makeup getting 100+ likes from guys including wearing long fake eye lashes so when they say they don't like cakes on makeup on girls they lying lmao.
Comparing likes on facebook to liking people face to face...
@Listening5 still same shit so stfu truth has been told simple
Im not. What are u gonna do about it
What do u mean by fake females besides the makeup
I think it's stupid. Yes, their appearance will start the initial attraction, but it's their personality that should make guys want to stay.
But what if it turns out that if it weren't for makeup they wouldn't have stayed? Much like women prefer more financially stable men so would it be okay to give off the impression that he's financially stable only to then show that he's not and he was just altering the facts so that they would get together and she could continue seeing him "for his personality" and not hid financial status?
A guy who dates a woman because of her appearance with makeup on and a woman who dates a guy because of his money deserve each other. From experience I have dated a guy that seemed financially stable and then I realized he wasn't. And you know what I did? I stayed with him. Why? Because it wasn't about the money. It was about him and how he made me feel.
I don't care its understandable since some women are magicians when it comes to makeup
they say they fall in love with personality, so it shouldn't bother
But then can a guy pretend that he's richer than he really is, or use some pads or whatever to give the impression that he has bigger muscles than he actually does? You know... just to get her to fall in love with his personality first since looks and status don't matter?
@sonia1990 but the situation in our society is that it's not equal. Guys are conditioned to show their true self, and at the same time they have to tolerate the opposite from women.
Well many people while being poor try to dress well, and all the other think they're super cool... or dumb sometimes wear glasses, even tho they have a good eyesight, and others start thinking that those are clever. I've watched some BBC documentary, when they've dressed one nerdy bald looser, and everyone started thinking that this guy is a businessman and is cool in person... that's we (people), what can we do
@sonia1990 the fact that most women would find it weird and off-putting for a guy to wear makeup already states enough.
Girl in the photo would have better skin if she wore less warpaint... I mean makeup. TBH though, I it makes her happy and doesn't harm her skin/health then I wouldn't worry.
Dramatic. If you think she's natural but really isn't your too easy.
Not all girls who wear makeup would encounter that BIG difference. I've seen my crush wearing it and not wearing it, it didn't change my mind.
If anyone can't tell that the natural shade of my eyelid is obviously not pink and I wasn't born with wings on my eyes, that's their own problem. Don't get me wrong, I go natural most of the time, but I like to shake it up sometimes.
If someone*
From my experience guys don't care that much if it isn't like a girl NEEDS to have a full face on everyday and then there's some guys that don't even care if a girl does wear a lot.
It's usually really easy to tell if a girl is wearing too much make-up. Even girls that are naturally pretty will often wear far more make-up than they should when they go out.
I wouldn't date a guy who has a problem with how much makeup I wear.
Smart men. Why fraud genetics and give you children poverty facial aesthetics?
It's honestly dumb especially if the amount of makeup the girl is wearing isn't even that much.
you can clearly see she's wearing a lot here...
@xButterflyKisses87x well sherlock, I wasn't exactly referring to the pic up there, now that's different.
".. trust issues with makeup-wearing women?" - First I've ever heard of it. Love to hear the theory on that one! lol
normally no girl wears so much makeup.. and you can tell when there's too much makeup so it'll be naive of you to think she looks the same without makeup if she has to spend 3 hours doing her makeup
It's their problem if they're having trouble trusting women because they choose to wear make-up to completely transform their face.
Since when was this a thing anyway? Why don't men trust women wearing make up?
Because they can't know what they look like naturally.
Lmao I honestly don't care because I'm ugly either way
No you're not.
You're not. You're really pretty <3
It worked. People fell for it.
Haha true true <3 but you are. Maybe I should do that more often. "OMG I look like Shrek." Most people wouldn't contradict it though haha
@Slothprincess lol I have makeup on you don't know that
@Solanaceae thanks but I have makeup on
They fell for my makeup?
They fell in the sense that you got the compliments you were likely fishing for lol
I wasn't fishing for anything. If I wanted compliments I'd post a how do I look or I don't know start instagram.
@Bleepasaurus So what? Doesn't change your natural face. If you don't have an amazing face, it would take a huge amount of makeup to cover it up. But it looks like your makeup is light <3
@Solanaceae aww thanks but I'm just that good at makeup
Haha lucky. I suck <3
@Solanaceae no lol it took me two years to learn if you saw my before I learned how to do makeup and after makeup you'd be surprised.
Haha okay
then it would seem like you pretty much don't trust any woman
i like the natural look over a full facial makeover. a little mascara and blush and lipstick is fine. But honestly I'm not falling in love with a girls make up.
understandable if you can tell it is a load of makeup.
That's their issues they need to work out for themselves.
I feel for these guys, I mean, there are many girls out there who can master the art of make-up and contouring and I can't tell there's a pile of make-up on there either.
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