Are you educated or indoctrinated?
What does it mean? Where does it come from? What is its purpose? Where does it end?
What do you think you know about "toxic masculinity"?
What does it mean? - expectations or behaviors that are considered "masculine" traits that are actually harmful.
Where does it come from? - mainly from outdated sexist traditions and standards
What is its purpose? - there really is no purpose for toxic masculinity other than to make men emotionally compromised and put them under way more stress and pressure under the guise of being "manly"
Where does it end? - when you decide not to fall into the common "manly man" standards just because society tells you you should.
What do you think you know about "toxic masculinity"? - well some good examples would be that boys dont cry, men should be emotionless or hold in all emotion, men are not allowed to show weakness, if a man does not act or present himself in a certain way he is "not a real man". These ideas are drilled into the heads of men from the time they are born which stunts their emotional growth. By giving men such a high inhuman standard to live by to fulfill their precieved identity as a man it creates toxic masculinity.
Yeah but educated or indoctrinated by what? The question doesn't make sense without context... if you're indoctrinated it has to be in relation to something. For example being indoctrinated into believing in a certain religion. And educated... I don't know what you mean by this. I graduated high school and did some college but I don't know what that has to do with toxic masculinity?
Masculinity is not toxic, femininity is not toxic or oppression either. This is what makes the sexes different from one another but at the same time balance each other out. If men started acting more like women, majority of women would be turned off and vise versa. It isn't masculinity that's toxic, just because someone is an a-hole that happens to be male doesn't mean that masculinity is the issue. It's lack manners and bad behavior that turns people off from one another.
I've been told I have it. Apparently it means I'm aggressive and get into fights, commit some crimes, lock all my feelings up, hit on girls who think it's creepy (continually), and think men should be the dominant one in any relationship so I act dominant towards girls. 👍
Well what I was told was that I have to masculinity. The rest was what I assumed based on the assumption that I have it, but worded to seem more toxic. So ya I'd prefer not to talk about what I feel. I think* it's kinda stupid though. I mean, lots of guys around here have it by that definition. It's pretty much normal.
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It is a concept created by women who suffer from toxic feminism. It makes them feel better about themselves and, for them, that is all that matters.
It is a matter of definition and then overgeneralizing from the definition and including far too many men in the results.
Are there some guys who act like Neaderthals? Of course. Don't condemn half of the planet for the actions of a small minority.
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My take on it is that it's a complete bullshit idea. The goal of feminists is to emasculate men and to blur the genders because they believe that this will bring about gender equality.
I think it's bullshit because men and women are different - and it's very easy to point out exactly why it's bullshit with their own contradictory views.
As in the video feminists often claim that there's almost no difference between a male and female brain, and that the differences between men and women are down to socialisation rather than biological differences. That gender is entirely learned.
This has been dis-proven many times in many other studies which they won't mention, as well as with for example the case of David Reimer. The man who originally made this claim about gender being entirely learned did an experiment on a boy who had a botched circumcision, where he tried to raise him as a girl. At age 13 the poor kid, who didn't know up until this point that he'd been born a boy and was still being raised as a girl, wanted to kill himself because he felt like he was going crazy. After his parents told him he was actually a boy, he stopped the experiment and lived as a man until he eventually killed himself as an adult. So that fucked up experiment was a fail.
However, I mention feminist hypocrisy - most feminists support transgenderism. To argue for it, they claim that transgender people are born with similar brains to the gender they identify as - the gender of the opposite sex. Transgender woman - born male but with a female brain. Then when it comes to this, they claim that there's no difference and that gender is learned. They either lie or they're too stupid to see how much of a contradiction that is.
Most of the things that are seen as "toxic" are natural male behaviours. I don't think that those liberals laughing at Kavanaugh crying had anything to do with toxic masculinity, by the way. They just hate him and liked to see him cry. Men do cry of course, but we naturally cry less. Even trans-men who take testosterone often mention that after testosterone therapy they feel less emotional - testosterone is what makes men, well, men. As well as being linked with less emotion and less empathy, testosterone is linked with competitive behaviour, dominant behaviour, assertiveness - all things they want to stamp out of men.
They pretend not to like "toxic masculinity" because they want to help men, really they just want to emasculate men.
"Toxic Masculinity" is a concept designed by third wave feminists to create emasculated males that will lead to the destruction of Western Civilization. Emasculated males will seldom attract females on a biological level, therefore making both sexes less likely to produce offspring. As a result, the Western World has began to import people from traditionalist societies to correct for the adverse economic effects of population decline. These traditionalist societies have a greater sense of social cohesion, resist integration into their host nation's "progressive" ideology, are patriarchal in nature, and produce more offspring. Consequently, these traditionalist societies will eventually take control of their host nation, since their are only women and emasculated males to provide opposition. Soyboys will die by the score, and third wave feminists will be introduced to what actual "rape culture" really looks like. The only pockets of resistance will come from the remnants of the host nation that held to some sense of tradition and cultural identity. They will have to make a choice, fight or flight. Since they (except for Americans) have no weapons, they will have to flee.
I wish there was another plausible logical outcome, but there's not; human beings are not exempt from the laws of nature.
Only the strong survive. 50 years of fostering weakness and calling it "progress" will usher in our demise.
I think it's more due to an absence of teaching masculinity these days: fathers being absent from homes and schools not teaching masculinity.
>> It starts in the home. It starts with how you raise your children. If a young man doesn’t have a father figure, he’ll go find a father figure. So, you know, I can’t blame the system. It’s unfortunate that we make such easy work for them. If the streets raise you, then the judge becomes your mother and prison becomes your home.
If a boy isn't taught masculinity in the sense of virtues like honesty, integrity, accountability, maturity, being the bigger person and avoiding unnecessary conflicts, thinking calmly and productively in tough situations, protecting others who cannot protect themselves, etc, then he's going to learn it on his own from other sources like action films or criminals or guys who sleep around with as many women as possible.
That quote above came from Denzel Washington. I wouldn't cite him as an expert on this topic but I think he gets at the heart of the problem. Many boys these days are raised fatherless, and the schools are far from teaching the sorts of virtues that males originally valued. So we get these kinds of emotional, impulsive, angry men who might see women as notches to add on a bedpost. That's not masculinity in any traditional sense. That's someone raised absent of masculine virtues.
Even this idea that anger is manly. That's something that wasn't the case originally. To the contrary anger was traditionally considered opposite of manly. This is some newer phenomena as I see it.
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First and foremost let's bust the myth that "toxic masculinity" means all expressions of masculinity are toxic. It is referring to a specific subset of expressions of masculinity that are damaging to both men and women. It isn't saying that all masculinity is bad or that even the majority of masculinity is bad. You could even argue that there is "toxic femininity" but it doesn't have the societal reaches that "toxic masculinity" does. It is the calling out of culturalized expressions of masculinity that are damaging to both men and the people around them. It isn't meant as attack on men, but men read it and automatically get defensive.
I'm talking about the actual definition here. I wouldn't be surprised if you could find articles that have misinterpreted the term it happens. Doesn't change what the word means.
www.tolerance.org/.../what-we-mean-when-we-say-toxic-masculinity
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Look at the etymology of the phrase. Toxi is the modifier which implies a change and suggests their not referring to the all masculinity.
Another crap made up recently as an excuse for man hating. Funny how all those concepts against men come from the same "movement" and appeared only recently.
The purpose? Denying men the right to be men, all they can do is to be what those retarded feminazis ask them to be: submissive, obedient, providing a lot and asking for nothing in return.
www.theguardian.com/.../the-red-pill-reddit-modern-misogyny-manosphere-men
I thought this was pretty good.
he cries, just empathize with him. don't need to judge him.
crying means he is sad.
The. End.
empathy solves everything... look up Brene Brown and TED talk and you will figure out that shaming is BAD, Empathy is good. this video was too long and boring so I didn't want to really listen to it but I listen to most of it.
The left wants to depict all strong people as "toxic". They want a world where strength can't thrive. But strength is how societies survive. Strength of mind, character, and body. "Toxic masculinity" is just the left's attempt to reign in the naturally competitive, driven, and willful tendencies of men that allow them to succeed. They call it "toxic" because they can't compete with it, so they have to demonize it. In reality, what the left calls "toxic" is exactly what we need.
It's anything associated with men, and often not masculinity, that the person dislikes and normally doesn't understand the purpose of.
It comes from feminists and soyboys
Its purpose is to try and convince men that they live their lives wrong
It doesn't end because if you accuse a man of toxic masculinity he will laugh at you, which you will just consider more toxic masculinity
It's a stupid buzz word used to silence, berate and demonize men.. plain and simple the moment someone uses those words I lose all respect for them and see them as less than human.
Anyone who believes in "Toxic Masculinity" theory is a toxic person.
The mentally ill often harm them selves and others.
Some little boys believe that masculinity and strength equate to being loud and obnoxious. Trying to transparently compensate for their various inadequacies by portraying themselves as a 6yo's version of a badass online and in real life.
They'll be the ones who comment in an impotent rage. Obviously believing their shakily-typed words will have the tiniest effect.
I consider macho B. S. to be toxic, but too often normal maleness is ridiculed by SJW lunatics.
many people say its wrong and that we need masculinity, me personally, I always hated masculinity, mainly because of whats expected of guys in society
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toxic masculinity doesn't exist
It's pure fiction.
I disagree. You can be aware of your indoctrination and still choose to not educate yourself. Apathy runs wide and deep. So does narcissism. The only reason to question a value system that you've been given is if you see your own values hurting you or someone you care about. If your life is basically good, it's easy to pretend life is basically good for everyone, no matter how smart you may be.
Anyone can claim to be educated, but imposters are terribly easy to spot by those of us who actually are. Also, I'm not referring to education in the academic sense, since that's one of the most pervasive indoctrination methods ever manifested.
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