Why do so many men feel entitled to women and their bodies?

[Subarugirl]

[MrOracle]

For exactly the same reasons so many women feel entitled to men's time, money, and attention.

Women want men to approach them. They want men to ask them out. To talk to them. To text them throughout the day. To plan dates, to pick them up and drive them, to pay for everything, to listen to all of her stories about a bunch of people he doesn't know, etc. He needs to have his own place, even if she lives at home and doesn't drive. They want a man who is in the top 10% in height (6' or taller), who is ALSO in the top 12% of income ($100,000 a year or more), and who matches her laundry list of other attributes and standards. And this is all just in the dating process.

Men want sex.

Well, guess what: men have learned that if we don't push for sex pretty strongly, that many women with take, take, take, take, take from us and give us nothing in return. Do I need to start posting articles where women are advising other women to use men for free meals and entertainment - leading him on and using him for his money and attention, with no intention of ever being physical with him?

Men have had enough of that. Too many women are all too willing to take and keep taking, and we're not going to be used like that with no return. So if you are accepting dated with men who you don't intend to have sex with, then it is YOU who is doing it wrong. in my opinion, he should be able to expect sex with you by the 5th date or sooner, and if you discover by the 2nd or 3rd date that you wouldn't have sex with him, then you need to end it right there. If you are going to keep going, then it needs to be with the understanding that sex is EXPECTED. If you can't handle that, then don't date, OR, make your standards known before you even go on the first date, and let the man decide whether or not to move forward. It's that simple.

Maybe you don't do what many of these other women do, and that's great: but a guy has no way to know that. We DO know that tons of women do those things, and we've all experienced it. We also know that a really hot guy can do NONE of those things and still get in that pussy the same night, so it's not really that you're overly protective of your bodies - just your entitlement. So, men are going to continue to expect sex if we're dating you, and nothing anyone can do is going to change that.

[TruthBringer]

These truth bombs will go right over their heads. Well said nonetheless!

[Subarugirl]

Well if sex is your priority over a relationship why not just hire a prostitute? Or I don't know be a little pickier over who you date? Honey if you feel like you deserve or entitled to sex after a couple of dates then feel used because she doesn't want to maybe you should have communicated that earlier on. There are shitty people on both ends of the spectrum, but I have the feeling that you would be more satisfied with your romantic life if you rearranged your priorities, if you're dating usually it's implied that you're wanting to have a relationship with that person. If all you want is sex go pick up someone from the bar or use tinder like everyone else or pay for it.

[MrOracle]

This isn't about me. I'm making a generalization because that's the only reasonable way to answer the question. If women can expect so much from the men they date - and most do - then men can and will expect sex.

[little_bird1]

I'll just edit a little bit what you wrote:

"leading him on and using him for his money and attention, with no intention of ever being physical with him?" now read it from woman's point of view "leading her on and using her for sex, with no intention of ever committing to a relationship with her?". Because that's most men do.

I ain't gonna sleep with a guy until I am absolutely sure he is in love with me and wants a serious relationship. And that takes time and effort from both sides.

[little_bird1]

And sometimes we're just not attracted to them YET. Women are not like men, women can have romantic feelings and develop sexual attraction OVER TIME. Just because a woman is taking her time to be intimate doesn't mean she is using a man, it just means she is giving it a shot. And unfortunately sometimes the attraction doesn't develop, so we call it quits. But at least we try! Would you rather be shot down immediately?

[MrOracle]

@little_bird1 If you KNOW going in that you aren't going to sleep with the guy, then, yes, absolutely, shoot him down right from the start. If you aren't sure, then TELL HIM THAT, and let him decide how to proceed. Just be honest - we don't want to be played anymore than you do.

[AlexWhoWaited]

asking for a meal is not equal to asking for sex, at least for women. For women, sex more or less implies that you let someone else's body parts into your body. And doing a favour or many for someone will not awaken that girl's desire. Its not a strategy game. It's attraction and trust. For men, sex doesn't imply sticking someone elses body part in them so they dont get how it doesn't correlate.

[MrOracle]

@AlexWhoWaited It's far more than just a meal - re-read my second paragraph. Women EXPECT a WHOLE LOT from a man - insisting the man give her all of those things FIRST, perhaps for weeks or months or even years - before she decides whether or not she will give the man sex. For many men, this cost is simply far too high, and if she decides not to give him sex in the end, all of that investment is a complete loss. And tons of women don't even give that a second thought.

So, more and more men are expecting sex much sooner, because EITHER he's going to get sex in return for his investment, or he's not, and if not, he's going to get that answer quickly and stop investing in the relationship before things have gone on for very long, to minimize his losses.

Want to know how to change that? Women need to start investing significantly into the relationship prior to sex, instead of just taking taking taking from the man. SHE needs to pay for dates, and drive to HIS house, and in other ways inconvenience herself for HIM rather than always expecting him to inconvenience himself for HER. If women were willing to do a whole lot more of that, then men would know that they're willing to work and sacrifice for the relationship too, and they'd be far more willing to wait for sex. But you and I both know that women aren't going to do this - they prefer just to TAKE - and so men will continue to expect sex quickly, and to dump her if he doesn't get it. It's WOMEN who created this monster by taking men for granted, and by gleefully laughing at all of the things they scammed out of men for months before dumping him without having sex. Men have simply adapted to that game.

[moonstrukk22]

This is rubbish. No woman feels "entitled" to a man's resources. Entitlement is a huge problem among men and it endangers the physical safety of women.

Everything you professed is resentful rhetoric.
Women do fine on their own, most of us can curl our own ties and pay our own bills. Women do not need sex or financial assistance from men. Infact women thrive in groups with other women.

Men can opt out of relationships and women will be just fine.
The natural order will be restored.

Good luck

[MrOracle]

@moonstrukk22 Oh, I could post SO much evidence to back up my case, but I already know you wouldn't learn anything anyway. That said, men ARE opting out of relationships with women at a HUGE rate - and tons of women are freaking out and complaining about it. Bars and clubs are closing down because men aren't going to them anymore, and without men's money, women stop going (women don't want to buy their own drinks and food). Now we've got plenty of videos of women complaining that men aren't giving them attention anymore or not asking them out. YOU might not care, but lots of women do.

You've made it abundantly clear that you don't care about men and men's experiences at all, so you're exactly the type of women that have led men to ignore women. Men are done with the lack of respect and appreciation for the things they do for women, so now you can take care of yourself without the burden of men's interference. Have fun with that.

[Jasmine2002]

How about you tell the women you’re intention with them is only sex, and I promise you you’re time wonte be wasted

[Jasmine2002]

Dates are for to get to know someone and see if you are a match. If you go on dates to have sex that’s your problem.

[MrOracle]

Most men don't want ONLY sex - but sex is the only thing many women today are willing to offer a man because they know it's the one thing he can't get some other way - and because they also want sex.

But some women only want to give a man sex as a means of "hooking him", to gain access to his resources, labor, and status, and as soon as they are committed, will cut him off.

The other example is women trying to get with men who are way out of her league, and the only way she can get anything from that guy (that most other women also want) is to give him casual sex, and quickly at that, because he's too in-demand to be kept waiting. Then she gets upset because he feels entitled to her body, but she feels entitled to a guy who she would never otherwise qualify for. And who she chose to pursue anyway because she thought she could get him with casual sex.

The bottom line is that most women expect men to provide them a whole lot of value, as women define value, so they can't be upset when men also expect to be provided value, as men define value. And if women won't provide other forms of value except sex, then, yeah, men will expect sex.

[AMITMGK]

@moonstrukk22 Exactly. Women are not visual. They are not aroused by male body and do not want to have sex even if man has sexy body. Women want emotional connection. Even if man is ugly but has good personality, sense of humour, stable income, make woman feel special, he will be chosen by women over good looking man. Also women are not desperate for sex like men. They do not chase men, do not checkout male body. Sex is actually a favour done by women to men. Men fail to understand it.

[t-8900]

Because they are taught that by men and the way women act/present themselves to men often times reaffirms that thought pattern. And yeah history probably plays a role too. Many cultures push this too. Men conquer and dominate, that's how their self worth is gauged. Maybe instead of focusing on all the problems surrounding women we need to focus on a better way for men to conduct themselves in the modern world. Perhaps start with explaining that it's not "cool" when you are a man slut. In fact lets just get rid of the "cool" image of everything and everyone. Anyways it's a fact that men tend to respect the women in modest/conservative attire more than girls with overly sexualized outfits.

Their eyes avert from your face to all over and in no time flat they ignore the woman's humanity and only think about banging her like a piece of meat. Those old religions about women covering their bodies? Lots of wisdom to them in some ways. While a woman should be free to wear whatever she wants the fact is that men are going to think certain ways based on how you dress. And tbh women feel the same way based on how men dress. Men just get the "loser" status and women just get the "slut" status. Its not really nice thinking about but it seems to just be how our lizard brains work. What can I say? Humans are a very disappointing species in many ways XD

[t-8900]

ty for MHO milady!

[Toast792]

Either they're not corrected/taught about such things at a young (er) age, or they have crazy old-fashioned parents. So they end up getting influenced by all the wrong people, and grow up to be assholes. Don't get me wrong though, I've seen such things on all sides of the gender spectrum. People in general just need to do better..

[whirled_up_girl]

So I'm not a man but I think the question is interesting. Do you think men, in general, think they are entitled to women's bodies regardless of relationship status with a woman or are you referring to men in a relationship? I think in a relationship, most couples feel a certain privilege to the other person's body, not necessarily entitlement but they feel they've crossed a certain threshold where sex and intimacy will be expected on some level.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

If you are in a relationship you are entitled to certain level of intimacy and people do expect stuff that's why they have come together to mutually meet each other's expectation to a certain level that's why they choose to colive

[globetrotter22]

Oh please just STFU about the “so many men feel entitled to women”. Just quit it.

The vast majority of men know damn well what is and is not consent. But women EXPECT men to approach. They EXPECT men to make a move. They EXPECT men to initiate sex.

So unless a man takes action the chances of women initiating on him a extremely low. So he’s constantly taking risks. When you take risks you sometimes get accepted and you sometimes get rejected. But again it’s almost always a gamble for us. The man is after all expected to be “assertive and confident.”

I am just so fed up with women who expect men to magically read their minds. It’s not that hard to understand that we don’t possess that ability.

[Subarugirl]

A woman will go after what she wants and will indeed initiate if that is what she want's to do.

[globetrotter22]

Some women will but most feel very uncomfortable doing that. They fear rejection more than men do. They fear looking “desperate” or too easy. Instead they give off “signals” hoping the guy they like picks up on them.

Most guys don’t pick up on that passive communication especially if they are young and/or inexperienced. Also no one is teaching women to approach men they like. Where are constantly being told that they need to be “confident and assertive”.

[globetrotter22]

Also most men really do NOT like approaching women. We do it because we have to. I’ve been publicly humiliated before doing this when I was younger. But still I got to try.

[FriendlyDrugDealer]

In most situations it’s religious beliefs or some sort of similar conservative beliefs they were told growing up. If it’s not that then it’s insecurity in my opinion. I don’t believe im entitled to shit in the dating market, I just hope I don’t date someone with a crazy amount of baggage or issues.


It’s one thing if they want to date a fellow virgin which makes complete sense. If someone isn’t a virgin and they demand their lady must be a virgin then I’m like nah that’s small dick energy to me

[Romulus8817]

I'm a dude (obviously). I want to know the answer to this too.

I don't know if it was how I was raised or what I've experienced, but I've never once felt entitled to anyone's body, male or female, and I'm honestly bewildered by men who do.

I'm human, so of course I have my fantasies, but dear god, I couldn't imagine forcing myself on anyone. Just... how are you so bold to assume that every woman wants you?

[TheorionMage]

WHAT DO YOU THINK Natural Evolution evolved 'allure' and 'desire' FOR?

In 70 years living, I've most often found that for every male aching with desire
somewhere exist a female reciprocally hungering to BE 'desired'. Otherwise
in the long game... mere existence serves NO greater purpose.

Perpetuation of your hereditary DNA recombinant with YOUR choice of partner
and then nurturing and educating your offspring's NEXT generation
is the PRIME DIRECTIVE of Creation;
all else that doesn't further your species longevity is merely 'busy work'
to pass One's time.

THERE is the 'litmus' test to the futility of homosexuality.
Short of adoption, their specific genetic DNA ends THAT generation~
Even the RARE phenomena of 'parthenogenesis' which only occurs to females,
results in but a younger FEMALE clone of the birth mother
(no NEW DNA save random mutation; NO 'Y' chromosome)

[JCrockett]

They don't, they just pursue them. Men like women's bodies and would like access to them, so they pursue them. Women just decide to act aggrieved when the wrong guy pursues (or even just admires) them. But they act equally aggrieved when the RIGHT guy DOESN'T pursue them, in exactly the same way. When a woman actually grabs access to her own body, but feels bad about it, she STILL blames the man.

Some guys take it too far. Go ahead and mace them (after you've made your feelings explicitly clear). But the vast majority of incidents where a guy is acting "entitled" to a woman's body, he's actually just seeking permission, and can be deflected without harm.

[Datboi65]

Why do women feel entitled to men's resources after a divorce? Let's talk about that. Let's talk about how she can take 50% if not more, the custody of their children, the house and the car, and have him labeled as the villain, even if she cheats on him. So by your own words, women should stop requiring men to make more money than them, because then that would make them entitled to their money, just like you don't want men to stop their wives from thotting it up and embarrassing them in public. Now that's equality. Otherwise, men should start going out shirtless and in grey sweatpants in front of other girls, because "he's in charge of his own body" whatever tf that means.

[molonski2]

Entitled to their bodies , seriously? Look , man is the hunter , he is always going to try and get into your pants , he may use many tools to achieve such an outcome , it can be talk , it can be money , it can be status , it can be intoxicating beverages , or other , its not a case of entitlement , you'd be the first to complain when menopause hits and no one gives a sht anymore , fertile , slim , fit women will be pursued by men , and men will do whatever it takes.
So know that from the start , and if some guy is looking across the room at you and saying " Hey buy you a drink " ? Its not because you've completed two degrees , get with the program and enjoy any attention , because it won't take long and you'll be out the other side , facing the black dog of menopause.

[Menareidiots]

Y'all are trash minded idiots and that's why most men are closet f@cking other men.

[Daniela1982]

Probably because some women go through great lengths to advertise their bodies and be looked at.

[Subarugirl]

it's still not an invitation for harassment, if lesbians can keep in in their pants and be respectful to women in revealing cloths.. it's not a cloths issue it's a personal issue.

[Daniela1982]

You mean to other lesbians?

[Subarugirl]

No I mean if lesbian's have no issues being respectful to women wearing revealing clothing then it's not clothing that's the issue it's a lack of respect and self-control. I have been sexually harassed by dozens of men, not a single lesbian. You know it is possible to look at an attractive person with out harassing them...

[Subarugirl]

I do it every day

[Hallo626262]

@Subarugirl why should lesbians be any different? They aren't.

[Subarugirl]

@Hallo626262 i’ve never been harassed by lesbian Plenty of men

[TruthBringer]

@Subarugirl No it's not an invitation and no one should harass anyone regardless of what they wear. At the same time, learn the concept of accountability. If I flash a Rolex in a ghetto, I shouldn't be surprised that I get muggged. Perhaps I can take measures in my own hands and make sure I don't carry a Rolex in a ghetto instead of acting like a victim and shout "I SHOULDN'T BE MUGGED!". So if you want to lessen the odds of having creeps harrass you, perhaps you should pay attention to how you carry yourself and what you wear. We aren't living in a utopia. Either you prioritize your ego or your safety.

[Subarugirl]

@TruthBringer Okay so walking from the grocery store in sweatpants and a hoodie is the same as flashing a Rolex in the ghetto? Are you comparing women to a watch? I didn't ask to be groped and have my hair pulled wearing slacks and a long sleeve sweater, which is what I wear to work. I wasn't asking for it wearing my lifeguard uniform doing my job and had someone grab my ass. What about when I was 13 walking from the library to the grocery store across the street and a grown man tried to offer me 200$ to blow him. You gonna tell an 8 year old girl who was sexually abused that she should have learn the concept of accountability and pay attention to how you carry yourself and what you wear. Are you serious?

www.theglobaldispatch.com/.../

[TruthBringer]

@Subarugirl Lmfao taking the analogy way too literal. It was about the idea of accountability and responsbility in the topic of dressing provocatively. Your red herring is hereby dismissed? Why? because it a logical fallacy and irrelevant to the actual topic being discussed, which is women who dress provocatively getting unwanted attention.

[TruthBringer]

@Subarugirl *brings children and sweatpants in the topic of women dressing provocatively and then complain about unwanted attention* <-- you.

[Daniela1982]

@TruthBringer I tend to agree, her comments would be better read in a different thread. This one was about women who do dress provocatively.

[TruthBringer]

@daniela1982 Yeah she just pulled a massive red herring because she couldn't acknowledge the truth we both were speaking about. It's a cowardly way to run away from uncomforable, yet valid arguments. Because she obviously doesn't like accountability.

[Subarugirl]

@TruthBringer actually what I was saying is that what you are wearing doesn't effect harassment and sexual abused as much as you would like to think.

[Subarugirl]

It doesn't matter weather you're wearing a bikini or a burka, victim blaming is wrong so is sexual abuse, assault and harassment.

[TruthBringer]

@Subarugirl Nothing justified sexual absue. We are talking about this particular topic (women wearing revealing clothes) which Daniela brought up. Your arguments about child abuse and all are irrelevant to this topic, hence why it was a red herring. Nobody claimed that it is okay to lay a finger on someone in whatever circumstances or whatever they wear. Because it's not. But don't tell me that a Muslim woman wearing a hijab or a burka gets the same amount of sexual harassment in the street as some girl who wears a skimpy outfit.

The argument here is that one should always take responsibility and accountability to their own actions. If I don't lock my door before going out and I come home finding out that my house got robbed, are you suggesting that my actions didn't play a part that lead to this outcome? Despite nobody having the right to rob me?

I've written a take specifically about victim blaming. If you're interested in reading it (because I jump into multiple scenarios), feel free to read: Why the term “victim blaming” is both misused and overused ↗

[Subarugirl]

@TruthBringer I was using personal examples of how what I was wearing didn't matter when I was sexually assaulted.

Commission on Crime of Violence study found that just 4.4 percent of all reported rapes involved “provocative behavior” on the part of the victim. (In murder cases, it’s 22 percent.) It also found that most convicted rapists could not remember what their victims were wearing. Studies show that women with passive personalities, who tend to dress in layers, long pants and sleeves and high necklines, are actually more likely to be raped.

Despite the fact that 9 percent of sexual assault victims are young men, we don’t insist that they dress differently. We don’t warn young men not to tempt their teachers with their bare biceps, knees or other body parts. We don’t warn young men not to be a distraction to their female classmates, or regulate whether they can wear shorts in the summer to school. When a news story breaks about an adult female teacher preying sexually on a boy, no one asks what he was wearing or insists he should have known better than to be alone with her. So what’s the point of policing skirt lengths, of advising young women not to go to certain places, to protect their drinks instead of focusing on telling rapists not to rape?

www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[TruthBringer]

@Subarugirl You've included stats about rape while rape is something that happens regardless of what someone wears. We are talking about sexual harassment here both directly and indirectly when it comes to being physical. Once again you pulled a massive red herring.

Not to forget to mention that you decide to membercall myself and Daniele on a very other thread just to for the sake of slandering our names. If you're going to call us to somewhere, make sure to at the very least be accurate in why you choose to name us instead of gas lighting that which we are trying to put forth.

It seems like you're intellectually incapable to come up with anything other than logical fallacies. Next time if you choose to reply, make sure you stick to the actual topic, which is women complaining about harassment when they are the ones to wear skimpy outfits instead of using mental gymnastics and a bunch of logical fallacies to run away from common sense. The common sense here is, the way you project out to the world is what you will attract. Dress like an escort and be perceived as one. Dress respectively and you will be perceived as respectable. Does that stop a rapist regardless, no. Does it decrease the odds of some trash coming your way to try to get you in bed or to catcall you? Yes. Once again referring to the Muslim woman vs the woman who dresses provocatively

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgw6y3cH7tA

PS: I can't open your source because it's hidden behind a paywall. And I have no intention in paying to see your red herring.

[TruthBringer]

@Subarugirl Another fun source that backs the point myself and Daniela's. This time, it's a published scientific study aswell. But it wouldn't strike me as a surprise if you decide to overlook this completely:

"Results revealed that subjects rated the model in provocative clothing as more likely to provoke sexual harassment and to be sexually harassed than the model wearing nonprovocative clothing."

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../1077727X9202100202

www.researchgate.net/.../229673336_Clothing_and_Attributions_Concerning_Sexual_Harassment

[Subarugirl]

Why are you so set on defending the perpetrators of sexual abuse

[TruthBringer]

@Subarugirl HAHAHAH THAT is what you got out of everything we talked about? Jesus fucking Christ you're hopeless. Obviously everything went straight over your head. So now you resort to gas lighting. No one is defending sexual predators, sweetheart. It's obvious I'm arguing with a toxic feminist at this point.

[TruthBringer]

I guess that scientific study is also "defending sexual predators" with that twisted logic of yours smdh 😂😂🤦🤦

[Subarugirl]

@TruthBringer Im not a feminist I am a humanitarian

[TruthBringer]

@Subarugirl PFF yeah right. A "humanitarian" who likes to blame 1 gender for all issues as well as one's own fault of not taking any personal ccountability. And one who is so self-absorbed in her twisted mindset of blaming men without taking any personal accountability. The fact you completelty disregarded the published scientific study (peer reviewed) I've shared is evident that you've either didn't pay attention in university or have never attended one. Otherwise you know the importance of them. But even then, why wouldn't you? It literally contradicted your entire belief system as well as caused a massive cognitive dissonance. And for that you resort to ad hominems attacks as well as trying to make them look bad infront of others. Typical actions coming from a toxic feminist 😂

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Oh so if a woman posts sexy pics she shouldn't expect to be seen as anything more than a sex object?

Well then, I guess if someone makes a living as a comedian, then they shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone about anything. They're putting themselves out their as a comedian; people should only ever see them as a source of entertainment and not as a person who has the same struggles, joys, triumphs and tribulations that the rest of us do and if they have an opinion about a serious issue, it should only ever be considered a joke.

Please -_-

[Daniela1982]

@TruthBringer She just loves arguing, right or wrong.

[David_Kek]

@Subarugirl
My girlfriends friend told her she was once molested by lesbians in college, literally groping her breasts even after she told them not to, with them excusing their actions on the basis it's only harmful if men do it.
I get that you've had some bad experiences with some men, but by taring all men with the same brush, while you also excuse women from that same behaviour just because it doesn't fit your experiences, isn't going to make you any friends. Rather it makes you come across as a sexist that hates men.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

You women are lucky that most men have sex crazed mind and they seduce you all the time and keep you entertained with their bodies whenever needed all you have to is just suggest so you don't value it.

And use it to your leverage and manipulation.

If the guy won't give you attention and not feel entitled to you as person with body and mind then you are just a known stranger.

I bet if they didn't feel entitled about your bodies and didnot approach or just neglected you would still complaint.

The thing is women also are entitled to a man's body but in this case men are more than willing without using as source of manipulation.

It's just that women won't accept the fact it's just that it's already surrendered to you that you no need to ask yet you get the things.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

This is false. Even as married you have zero entitlement to your wife's body. None.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Entitlement is understanding your body mind and soul is dedicated to each other that's one of the vows of marriage but it doesn't mean that you will abuse it

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Wait did you seriously say that a married couple aren't entitled to each other's bodies? Really? Then why get married at all? Maybe you have to ask your "wife" permission every time you want to touch her, but not the rest of us. I don't have to ask my girlfriend permission if I want to kiss her, hold her hands or want to fuck. We simply do and she is free to lay a finger on me if she pleases. Why? Because that's what couples do, especially married ones. That doesn't mean that if she has an off day or isn't capable of having sex that I would force or guilt trip her into it. I don't have to say "Baby, can we please have sex?". Maybe you do, but the rest of us refuse to live like a cuck.

[Subarugirl]

@TruthBringer because when you are entitled to someone like that, it means that they don’t get to say no.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Subarugirl he is not going to get that.

[Subarugirl]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 it still needs to be said

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer yes I did and if you think you can just grab your partner and do whatever I have bad news for you, that is actually a crime.
Being entitled to another's body means you don't have to ask for consent. You can draw it as you want in your head, but that is what it means.
Of course I slap my wife's ass without asking her if I can. But if she tell me "don't do that I am not feeling well today." I will stop. If I was entitled to it I would not stop. Why would I? It's my right. Except it isn't. If I don't stop that is called rape.
If that makes a cuck then so be it.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Subarugirl you will see what his response will be...

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I thought I was clear about it remaining within the boundry of conscent. There is a difference between entitlement as a husband and an entitlement as a dictator with no remorse. I was speaking about the former. In this regard we see eye to eye. I think you're not doing yourself justice in your initial comment.

[TruthBringer]

@Subarugirl Never did I claim that that kind of entitlement takes away the right to say no. Nice try, missy but that was an unnecessary comment.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer actually I am because you are not aware of what entitlement means.

That is the point where we disagree. What entitlement means in a relationship.
To you just means "entitlement as a husband". You are entitled or you are not. There is not "as a husband.
Let's say a couple doesn't have that dynamic. Where they can touch and grab each other out of nowhere. They actually have to do it slower and communicate first. In this couple dynamic according to you there is entitlement? Is entitlement just the green light to touch and kiss without asking? It isn't. By definition it isn't. If you are entitled to something means you can never hear a no. The moment your partner can say no to you, you are not entitled to her.

I am not saying you are condoning rape. I said before was that rape is what happens if you continue after she said no. I never implied that you defended doing that.

We can now argue on what it really means. But you will find out that as always your facts are really just yours. Case and point ask @Subarugirl

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Definition of the world 'entitlement': "the fact of having a right to something.".

Did you read that? Yes? Read it again. "having a RIGHT to something". Do you see it say anywhere "Having unconditional right and command to something?".
So according to you. According to you, either you have full right or you do not. Which is a black and white scenario. That's not the case according to the definition. There is a difference between having a right to something and having unconditional command which is where you are able to have no repercussions of exploitation. Like a master and a slave. Which in this case is not the case. The fact I have to explain this to you and that for a married man of your age is just utterly ridiculous.

Both wife and husband have a right to each other's bodies. A privilege other people outside the marriage DO NOT HAVE. So as a spouse, you are entitled in that sense to the body of your wife/husband.

But you will find out that as always your facts are really just yours" Funn you say that when there are things you agree with me on. So you're sitting here contradicting yourself. What's also funny is that you claim my facts are only mine, but facts cannot be subjective. Either something is objective (a fact) or it is not. Another funny thing is that you claim my "facts are only mine" while according to the very definition I've just shown you, it seems that what I say is correct. It's obvious you're bringing your own interpretation and twisting definitions to suit your flawed mindset.

But we get it mate, your wife wears the pants and you have to walk on eggshells and ask her to make use of the privilege you should already have gotten the moment you became her husband. Something definitely not to look up to.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer Having the rights to something, doesn't mean you have complete ownership and control over that something. That is where you focus your entire argument, but if you have the right over something you can do whatever you want with that something. What it means to have the rights over a property?
Let's ask the dictionary.

right
1) n. an entitlement to something, whether to concepts like justice and due process or to ownership of property or some interest in property, real or personal.

Do you see "ownership" there? Doesn't it means that you own it? That you can do with it as your please? You can sell it. You can remodel it. You can make a hole in the wall and fuck it. You have the rights to it. It's yours. You own it.
Understand the moment you have the right to your partners body, you can ask, but by definition you don't have to. Because by definition you own it. You have the rights over something. Clue word there is "over". Aka above something.

I can agree with you on some points and say you talk about facts that are only 'your facts" on others. One things doesn't exclude the other. Obviously.

Honestly I think you already saw where you screwed up and now you are trying to save some face. You came here just because you wanted to start another argument with me because of how triggered you were the last time. Case and point how much you are trying to insult me saying I am bossed around by my wife. Nothing more than wishful thinking. Though you to be above that.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

“Having the rights to something, doesn't mean you have complete ownership and control over that something”
- That’s LITERALLY what I have already said more than once. Clearly you’re incapable of reading.

“That is where you focus your entire argument, but if you have the right over something you can do whatever you want with that something”
- More evidence you lack proper reading comprehension skills. My focus was to let you know that there is a right over others that doesn’t have to overstep boundaries of basic human rights. But it obviously went straight over your head, despite laying it bare in understandable English.

“That is where you focus your entire argument, but if you have the right over something you can do whatever you want with that something”
- Did you not see the definition I’ve given you? That’s not my own fabricated definition. You’re pulling red herrings now when we are talking about entitlement within the context of relationships. It must have

"Do you see "ownership" there? Doesn't it means that you own it? That you can do with it as your please? You can sell it. You can remodel it. You can make a hole in the wall and fuck it. You have the rights to it. It's yours. You own it."
- Reading comprehension once again. It literally says “CONCEPTS”. These things you mentioned are context driven. Just because it says “OWNERSHIP” doesn’t mean it applies to HUMANS. It means these terms are applicable to their respective contexts. (insert facepalm here).
By the way, that definition you took straight from LAW. com. That’s a website that aims to show terms in their definition within the context of LAW. We are talking about relationships. EPIC FAIL on your end there.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

The point of the matter is: You have more right to your wife’s body than any other person. Is that not correct? So keep in mind that term ‘RIGHT’ within the CONTEXT OF RELATIONSHIPS, in combination with the definition of the term ‘Entitlement’ that I’ve showed you, mean you ARE entitled to your wife’s body.

“Honestly I think you already saw where you screwed up and now you are trying to save some face.”

- Where did I screw up? Riddle us on that, mind you? Because I’m not the one starting to damage control by pulling LAW dictionary in the quation just to desperately try to find a confirmation bias and to use that as an argument. I only googled the term and I got the first result. Sorry mate, but it’s obvious you’re the one who needs to practice your knowledge about terms since you’re applying a different meaning to what the definitions claim.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer Right now I wonder if you can't read. Look what I said under that sentence.
"That is where you focus your entire argument"
I was exposing your main point, not mine.

"doesn’t have to overstep boundaries"
Bingo! You don't HAVE to, but you CAN. That is the point. If you are entitled than you can overstep those boundaries if you so wish.

"Doesn't it means it applies to humans"
But it does. Think of anything. If you have the rights over something you own that something.
So you didn't not consider definitions by law real definitions? Good to know.
Also that definition of right was to show you what it means to have the rights over something. Clearly you still didn't understood.

I have more rights to my wives body body than another person? No. I have the same rights, aka none! She is the only one who has the rights to her body. And she she lets me use it, but she is the one that chose let me and not others. Same way vice versa. That's how it works!

You screwed up on the basic definition of entitlement. Because as we saw having the right over something means you have ownership over that thing. Because you forgot to google what it means to have the right over something. Convenient.

[Anonymous]

This is a stupid question. Wtf do you want us to tell you? Are you a feminist or something? lol
Sure, some men feel entitlted to anything that they so desire but that is a horrible generalization to make. And shame on you if you use such a petty generalization and place it upon each individual. Sick.
Grow up lady you're 24 years old. This is so ridiculous.

[Curiousgirl2414]

I've never been with a guy who felt entitled to my body, and if he felt that way, he wouldn’t feel that way for long.

A lot of male answers also made great points about women being entitled to men’s money. Both sexes can be guilty here.

[FilmGuy93]

For the same reason that so many women feel entitled to men's time, attention, and money investment while giving as little of themselves as possible; it's just selfishness. I'm not sure how many men actually feel entitled to women's bodies, but I do know that there are a lot of men who invest time, money, effort into women who just use them and blow them off; which is equally uncool. The men who get angry with women for not giving them sex are generally the guys who have gotten used a bunch. There comes a point where it's less about feeling entitled to the woman's body, and more about being feeling tired of being lied to.

[jaybee281]

Ohhh I'm so sorry Cynthia, I mean can you believe we still live in a world where men are supposed to have the active role in getting sex so they actually decide to act like it? Very evil of them to do so I mean if they were just a bit more attractive you would have used a word much nicer than "entitlement", right? - I do understand your point of view (I'd be mad too if unattractive guys acted like I owe them something) but at least try to understand some dudes' point of view and circumstances..

[Anonymous]

Because nowadays unfortunately, sooo many girls and women are flaunting their bodies all over Instagram and social media platforms for attention, so guys just assume that their bodies are available for them I guess :/

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Just look dont touch policy is hard to handle isn't it 🤷🎃

[hahahmm]

As Dave Chapelle said, if you put on the uniform of a whore, don't be surprised if a guy confuses you with being a whore. Same problem people who wear fake police uniforms have.

[Subarugirl]

@hahahmm It's really not that difficult not just not harass and abuse people

[Lionman95]

Because evolution made us go crazy in our mind when we see a woman in revealing clothes.
Because porn taught us that it´s ok to do so.
Because many guys are learning by doing characters meaning we learn by experiencing. If we experience that girls don´t like our behavior we try to change.

[Jay3344]

Sometimes men think that once they’ve been given access once they always have access. Plus they don’t like to give that kind of opportunity up, it’s like a primal drive. But if you use the other part of your brain that is capable of reasoning and thought usually you realize that your not “entitled” and that person doesn’t alway want what they wanted in the past or that other women are so keen to give their body over to a man.

[ohshee]

LOL is this real guys really do this I mean I have a title for my house I have a title for my car my boat I didn't know you need one for boobs I don't think I want a title for boobs I think it'd be better if she just shared them with me I mean they're on her body. you can't own them I have learned quite a bit on this app that's for sure about guys

[hahahmm]

There's way more women acting like whores than men treating women like whores so ask women why they beg men for sexual attention. Feminist call it being empowered.

[Subarugirl]

I don't care who you are or what you do, how you dress is never an invitation to be harassed.

[hahahmm]

Blah, blah. I would love it if all men started wearing vest cams and requiring women to sign 3 contracts before sex but feminist won't allow it since that would make it impossible for a woman to make a false accusation.5+ years after consensual sex.

[Subarugirl]

Then you should do that... or I don't know maybe use better judgment about you stick your dick into.

[KlinkyCoder]

Just remember, when society falls down and millions of people experience decades of misery and suffering afterward, that they caused or helped caused to bring it about.

[hahahmm]

@Subarugirl You should tell women whining about men who "used" them, women getting abortions & begging men for child support: use better judgment about who you let stick a dick in you.

[TruthBringer]

@hahahmm Lmfao you sure made her own argument backfire at her. Well done! hahah

[Subarugirl]

See I married the father of my child but I can tell you right now that my judgment has nothing to do being sexually abused, and sexually assaulted.

[hahahmm]

@KlinkyCoder Yes.

[hahahmm]

@TruthBringer It's interesting how quickly people like her launch the personal attacks. Almost like they are seized by rage and can't even think straight.

[TruthBringer]

@hahahmm Lol not just personal attacks, this girl went out of her way to membercall myself and Daniele on her other thread just to make us look bad infront of other users by taking what we said completely out of context. Obvious indication that they have no valid counter arguments 😂

[Subarugirl]

@TruthBringer it wasn't at all out of context... it's pretty shitty that you would defend abusers honestly.

[TruthBringer]

@Subarugirl You claim I defend sexual predators while I've never done such a thing. Aged 24 and hell bent on misrepresenting people's words and twisting context. Grow up.

[Subarugirl]

@TruthBringer you're the one comparing the way a women dresses to a watch...

[TruthBringer]

@Subarugirl Analogy. Learn what it means.

[Datboi65]

Dude, I could've sworn I had a debate with this chick over her feminist bs on another thread 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

[Sparks32]

Expections swing both ways. Get off your high horses snowflakes and feminazis, Wokeness is a mental illness. A woman can file for divorce in some cultures where divorce isn't usually an option if the husband isn't having sex with her. Both a men and women need to take care of each others needs at some point. If you are put off by the idea of having sex with each other you need to sort it out or stay single.

[Moose304]

I find these topics fascinating! At 63 I spend so much time with ladies over 30 who just want ONSs with NO complications. Both of us know how the night will end. We go out enjoy a meal, have some drinks and most of the time go dancing. Back to my place for a nightcap and sometimes a small snack and go to bed. You youngsters, are really overcomplicating this!

[Dvchill]

What men where? Don’t just say this problem be specific show me where it is happening and we can investigate it together and see if there is a reasonable explanation for what u are experiencing or if there is an actual problem and we need to take action to stop this phenomenon.

[Subarugirl]

It's not a phenomenon, most women have experience sexual assault at some point in their lives, many women are still fighting for reproductive rights.

[Jaysonava]

I don't think they feel 'entitled' they are just horny and frustrated and struggle with social cues.

Men who are very impersonal and black and white don't understand that nature comes first, words come later.

And that socializing is all about body language not the kind of logic you apply to a toy train set.

[Dennisjf12]

If a guy thinks like that he needs to work for her Jules he like taking her on dates, buying her flowers, being more romantic, can he cook, cooking her a nice dinner with a romantic after like dancing, going to a movie and if he doesn't, no sex for a week or two, that will change his opinion, when he's cut off because he is taking advantage you, he needs bee shown its the other way around

[DWornock]

That is not relevant. They know what they want and may try to get it. If you want to give it to them then fine. If you don't want to then don't. It is your choice but don't blame men for having natural desires.

[Subarugirl]

No I blame the men who can’t control their urges, or who won’t

[Keyboardkat]

As I've posted before, men's brains and women's brains are hard-wired differently. We guys are programmed - programmed since we crawled out of the primeval swamps - to find the sights and sounds of women to be sexually attractive and arousing. Heterosexuality is amazing, and the differences between our bodies and women's bodies are endlessly fascinating to us! We can be really turned on by a woman without really knowing anything about her as a person. Women, however, need to take it a bit slower (there are exceptions, and I personally knew one). Most women need to feel comfortable with the guy, to feel that they can trust him, that he is interested in the woman as a person, and not just as a masturbation machine to get his rocks off! For this reason, when a girl says no to a guy, he often doesn't really believe her, because he assumes that she gets as horny and as quickly as he does.
When I was 16, I went to a sleep-away camp where we once had a counseling session about dating. The counselor who was teaching it said, "It is a male weakness to look upon the girl as a kind of toilet facility!" We guys turned red with embarrassment because we understood it. The girls looked totally shocked! They hadn't had a clue!!
Now, this isn't to excuse men's "entitlement" feelings towards women, just to explain how it could be. But this doesn't mean that a guy has an excuse to act like a male dog in heat, although unfortunately some do. A real man behaves in a moral way. If you haven't guessed, I DON'T BELEIVE IN THE DOUBLE STANDARD! I never did! I think guys have an obligation to behave in a moral way, just as girls do. I think a real man treats a woman with respect, not like his personal "toilet facility" (see above).

[DWornock]

In that case, blame stallions, rosters, bulls, dogs, cats, and in fact the males of most species. Better yet, blame evolution or God, if you believe in a creator, because, in effect, that is what you are doing.

[Anonymous]

Example? You have to give a bit more context. If you are talking about when guy's smack some stranger's ass or things like that (which I personally can't believe guys have the nerve to do to a stranger), I don't think it's "entitlement" they feel/think. Just don't care and no respect that's all. The thought process isn't there period! lol

[lightbulb27]

because they were raised with poor values, in a de-evolving culture.
that results in them reverting their thinking back to the sperm cell, which is where they originated..."that object is mine".

so many... I don't know of any.

[Kingofkings1992]

What do you mean? We are attracted to your bodies. You can still do whatever you want to do. If a woman wants short hair she can have it, if a woman doesn’t want to shave, she can do that too. If a woman doesn’t want to have kids, she doesn’t have to. Just don’t expect every guy to be attracted to your decisions.

[Subarugirl]

Honey I am married the only person I am worried about attracting is him.

[Oigit]

People are entitled to their bodies. Though questions like this honestly make me wonder if people are projecting their world view onto others and are only entertaining the views of people that have the view.

[CasaNorba]

not this man. but a better question is why do women feel entitled to men and their finance and personal life whenever they give those men a piece of their bodies?

[Static_In_The_Attic]

Great question & it’s probably the same reason why women feel entitled when they are writing up divorce settlements with their lawyers.

[Subarugirl]

If you don't want her to take half in a divorce, then don't do stupid shit like have an affair then get divorced.

[Static_In_The_Attic]

That’s why people should always have a prenuptial agreement written by a really good lawyer or if people were smart they wouldn’t get married in the first place. Marriage is like a hurricane there is a lot of blowing in the beginning and when it’s all said & done your house is gone.

[Subarugirl]

Or maybe that's why people should stay faithful and actually put a little effort in instead of making bad choices then refusing to put in the work to fix their issues.

[Static_In_The_Attic]

Exactly & it’s like couples have one little bump in the road & both of them are out like a fat kid in dodgeball.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

People should be faithful bc they want to be with you and not to save there property from you.
Nobody makes bad choices on purpose and people who cheat is not because of bad choice cheating is an well informed understood decision taken by the cheater nobody can cheat accidently and say oops I accidently cheated on you it was a bad choice 😝

[ElizaPam]

God made us to serve and please men and has given them authority over us.

[spookywashere]

You're a man though... you were born a man at least. You don't get to answer for us women on this. You still have the biology and mind of a man so let the women talk this one out thanks.

[ElizaPam]

@spookywashere I'm a better woman than y'all feminists

[Subarugirl]

@ElizaPam are you kidding right? Please tell me that this is satire?

[spookywashere]

@ElizaPam Im not a feminist lol, not even a little bit. And you're not a woman, you're a man. You will always be a man, and that might make you sad. But hell, im glad bc I dont want you representing us women. Make us look bad.

[ElizaPam]

@spookywashere So many men say us transsexuals are better because we're more feminine. You cis women are brainwashed into wanting to be men. We've experienced it and know that being the dominant sex is worse than submitting to him.

[spookywashere]

@ElizaPam You think you're better? You don't even compare to us. You are more feminine? Look at yourself. You look like a man, you aren't feminine. You will never be us, as much as you pretend. You were not meant to be a woman so stay in your lane. I wouldn't mind you being trans if you were respectful towards other women but you see this as a competetion or something. And you lose because you can't even compete. Chop your dick off, buy some tits. You're still a man at the end of the day.

[Subarugirl]

Oh my god you are serious... after decades of women fighting for the rights to be considered actual human beings, deserving of the same rights as men and not second class citizens, you want to throw us back 150 years ago.

Honey you do you, but I am not property, nor slave to any man. My respect is earned, just because someone is born with a penis does make then respectable.

[ElizaPam]

@spookywashere I'm sorry I was joking it was a bdsm fantasy I honestly feel inferior because I'm trans I dream of being a female every day please forgive me 😭😭😭😭😭

[spookywashere]

@ElizaPam Then just say that, say it was a kink. Because now I see it wasn't that serious. Im into a little bit of BDSM too but I mean cmon... also youve got a lot to learn. T

[Juxtapose]

@ElizaPam Are you just gonna let these cunts talk to you like that?

FUCK you witches for shaming a trans woman.

[Subarugirl]

@Juxtapose hon I didn’t say one thing or make one jab about her being trans

[Juxtapose]

@Subarugirl You're right, I was intoxicated & angry after reading spook's comments haha.

Myyy baaaad.

[spookywashere]

@Juxtapose 💀

[BeenThereLovedIt]

I never felt entitled to any attentions of a female.

If anything, I've always felt the price was rather high. Need a sale or something.

[Mantinziza]

whats the difference between being attracted and entitlement?

[Subarugirl]

Respect and consent

[Danny_dan92]

Entitled? I think your mis contorting the reality, it’s simple. Testosterone makes people more aggressive. The method in which men approach women fits that. They do it aggressively, where as women are more subtle about it.

[TheBigGuy9]

Core values instilled by your parents growing up is becoming less and less of an importance now. Look at social media. Does any of it signal respect for anyone? People don’t respect themselves they sure are t going to respect another.

[Anonymous]

Stop posting stuff like this. All I hear about is how bad men are. Men this. men that

[TheFlak38]

same reason why women feel entitled to a man's attention, energy and money and this without offering anything in return. Women are the most retarded entitled living beings of the modern world.

[Subarugirl]

Except women don't feel that way... why would you be in a relationship with someone you didn't want to spend time with, I sure as hell wouldn't.

[TheFlak38]

relationships and marriage are a thing of the past, they only serve the interests of women. men gain literally nothing out of it besides stress and emotional blackmail of course.

[Subarugirl]

If that were really true... don't you think that men would stop proposing a long time ago haha Man you come across as so bitter and lonely, I feel bad for you.

[TheFlak38]

yes that's what happens in a gynocentric society full of pussy slaves. men propose and sacrifice their lives for the vagina. Nothing strange about it. When you grow up in a female dominated environment with the subculture of the west brainwashing you about how the vagina is god then that is the logical result.

[Subarugirl]

Why does the way that other people want to have relationships bother you so much?

[TheFlak38]

doesn't bother me at all. Just don't come back here on gag (I mean the guys) or in real life to cry about how your life is destroyed because of the bitch wife that you couldn't dump when you had the chance because you're a desperate IDIOTIC omega male. I have terminated friendships over this bullshit. You decided to become a pussy slave, you decided to sign the papers that make you an official slave, deal with it you fuckin retard. Not my problem.

[Dargil]

Because they were raised by single moms who gave them everything.

[Kaamraj]

Why do women feel entitled for a man's resources and commitment?

[Subarugirl]

And that makes it okay to abuse and harass someone? I don’t think so

[aintnocandle]

I don’t really think they think of it like that... I think it’s just biology and sex honestly

[MJtheCoach]

Your comment is something ugly girls who don’t get attention would say

[Subarugirl]

lol that statement doesn't hold much weight coming from you. We are all familiar with your opinion of women hahah

[annie6815]

I wouldn't sum it up as that. She probably had experiences which show a man is entitled

[MJtheCoach]

@Subarugirl you masturbate to my comments in your sleep? You hate me apparently but your thumbs are up your ass and you refuse to block me.

[Subarugirl]

Oh I don't hate you, just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean that I hate them. You are crass and condescending, got some strong misogynistic undertones going on and kind of a victim mentality. I kind of pity you more than anything else.

[Subarugirl]

@annie6815 Yeah in this case I am speaking from personal experience, not all men are so entitled but I have seen many who are.

[MJtheCoach]

I could only imagine how disgusting and overweight you must be with that stupid flower profile photo regardless don’t feel pity for me I don’t hate women at all actually it’s the best place to insert my penis in.
Do you want to find out what massage genius I would suggest take a flight to Afghanistan and watch women they get their nose and ears cut off and stone to death not some guy was a strong point of you just because you’re surrounded by pu###sies men. And you can repeat the word misogyny until you’re blue in the face. It won’t change anything.

[Subarugirl]

Sorry what were you saying about being over weight? And I do pitty you because you seem so lonely and bitter. Oh I don’t expect you to change… that would take respect and empathy on your part.

[MJtheCoach]

I’m going to quote my favorite rapper and say whatever you say I am.

[Subarugirl]

lol that’s what I thought

[KingofCups]

This a stupid question. Men are attracted to womens' bodies, its simple biology, you want to to touch them, hold them, caress them. It's just a natural tendency, don't get so upset bish.

[Subarugirl]

Um I think most people should be upset when children are molested by men…

[zagor]

What does that have to do with his response?

[KingofCups]

@Subarugirl your question said 'Woman' in the title that has nothing to with children. And tbh if women put out more then men wouldn't have all of these repressed desires that sadly drives some bad people to do terrible things. Tho it's not all on women, corporations definitely aim to keep people in a state of sexual repression to sell more of their bullshit products.

[Subarugirl]

And that makes harassment and abuse okay?… I don’t think so

[KlinkyCoder]

What? The "rape culture" (of false accusations) is a social construct popularized in the middle of 20th Century. In the old days, men and women used to accept each other's different traits.

[Subarugirl]

Yeah but I’m not going to except rape and sexual harassment. No one should have to

[KlinkyCoder]

@Subarugirl Do you realize that what is socially defined as "rape" or "sexual harassment" has become unnecessarily broader?

[Sarahr123]

Yeah they think we are their property. Especially husbands and boyfriends.

[fonduegirl]

1) Because women have been oppressed since ages.

2) Women are the first to slut shame other women.

[Neosporin]

Well I don’t know about other men but I sure like women and their bodies 😍. Does that make me a creep? Ok fine I accept it.

[Neosporin]

Well I'm sorry if my answer doesn't satisfy you. I'm sorry for what you experienced in the past but the majority of guys/people aren't bad people.

[pass_the_celery98]

I never thought that way. But its just ego, and dominance. It's wrong and I don't condone it. But I can say the same for a girl being verbally abusive or bitchy to a nice guy.

[Better_off_here]

because most men are disgusting pigs who do not deserve to have a woman. no one taught them how to be and act.

[Daniela1982]

Hold on! Pigs? Such language. Try swine, it fits in nicely.

[TruthBringer]

Lol emphasis on "most".

[Sparks32]

Most Men are disgusting pigs but not you right? lmfao you should know better at your age.

[Stoner710]

Entitled no, Do we want women to have sex with us yes. But there not required to sleep with us

[JakeS00]

It's the upbringing and influence over time. I think most younger men aren't taught or can't grasp respect and modesty as a man.

[Anonymous]

Why do so many women feel entitled to men's money?

Why Women Expect Guys to Pay for Dates

[cookiecrusher]

Same reason why so many women feel entitled to a mans time and wallet.

Arrogance

[DaveJord]

I don't think we feel entitled, but its definitely what any warm blooded, straight man wants.

[Anonymous]

Same reason most women feel entitled to a mans resources, and money.

[Freespirit777]

I don’t feel entitled, but I do everything possible to make it win-win situation for both parties. I love women, but don’t feel like I own them. They are free to leave anytime.

[Snakeyes7]

Last time I checked you don't jump though hoops for something that you think you're entitled to.

[Subarugirl]

No, you tend to just take what you feel entitled to

[Snakeyes7]

Then I would say that those who do that are psychopaths because in order to do that, you'd have to be unable to recognize the distress in others.

[bannacookies]

Probably just the women who look like whores. Their clothes act like that is what they want, right?

[Subarugirl]

Right… because my sister and I totally asked to be molested when we were 6 and 8

[bannacookies]

Lol. That's not the same. You should clarify your question. Not all men want to have power over little girls. Funny you mention that only now.

[chriscdi]

I don't know, did you really confess that you were a pedo, just clarifying

[Subarugirl]

Not at all, not sure where that rumor came from since I'm primarily attracted to men at least 15 years my senior and pretty vocal about it.

[chriscdi]

Okay then I figure it would be the right think to do, by telling you that someone is pretending to be you, I saw a post with your picture and everything acting like they are you confessing that you are a pedophile, which this is why is always good to clarify first

[Subarugirl]

Oh thanks so much for telling me. Not the first time that has happened. What's the name of the account and where are they posting? lol looks like I pissed someone off again

[chriscdi]

It's a pretty easy account, thats if they still have it, might have been deactivated by now, it's Subaruisapedo or someshit like that

[Subarugirl]

Thank you :)

[chriscdi]

💯💯

[Subarugirl]

@PrettyPriya

[PrettyPriya]

I need exact spelling. I know who this is. Quickly link me to a post or give username.

This is going to be bad unfortunately

[chriscdi]

I don't remember the name it was like 3 days ago, the real Subaru has her account private so it's why I'm letting her know now, it was something like Subaruisapedo or something like that

[PrettyPriya]

Ok! Whew. Thanks. If it was that long ago I cleaned that up.

I thought it was starting again. Guy is a twit. Thanks for the help.

[Subarugirl]

@PrettyPriya Thanks guys :)

[Pillarofhell]

because the world was settled and then conquered by rapist barbarians that passed on their entitlement genes

[Subarugirl]

Isn't entitlement learned behavior?

[Pillarofhell]

learned behavior can be transferred to kids. how do you think instincts evolved

[Subarugirl]

If it was a learned behavior that is taught to your child then it isn't really an instinct is it?

[Pillarofhell]

it's a fucking instinct woman. who do you think you're talking to

[Subarugirl]

Are you familiar with the concept of nature vs nurture?

Instinct is also known as innate behavior. This is a type of behavior in which the individual does not have to be taught how to do something. He or she has the ability to do so from birth itself.

[Pillarofhell]

you can teach someone something til its like an instinct because it does become an instinct. and then their kids will have that instinct too

[Subarugirl]

Then it isn't an instinct then is it.. it's learned behavior.

[Pillarofhell]

all instincts are learned at some point

[loveslongnails]

Listen to the woman, dude. The terms are "mutually exclusive" (uh oh, am I throwing in too much?"
If a behavior is learned, or taught, it can not by definition be called instinct. You're trying to label teaching behavioral patterns to offspring as "evolutionary instinct", but that's a bogus term, much like calling something "a subjective fact". Behaviors that YOU LEARN are NOT genetically passed to your offspring - you have to TEACH it to them.

Perhaps this very basic, simple definition will help you:
" Instinct, also known as innate behavior, is an action that occurs immediately on a trigger. On the contrary, learned behavior is an action that the person learns through observation, education or experience. "

[Subarugirl]

do you know what innate means? Instinct is the inherent inclination of a living organism towards a particular complex behavior, containing innate (inborn) elements. Which means it's not something learned it's something you are born with, similar reflexes. Like a new born's instinct to find it's mothers nipple.

[Pillarofhell]

@loveslongnails Emotion can convince you you're right but it doesn't make you right. Experiences, memories and behaviors are passed on genetically. Hence they're coming out with studies showing holocaust victims children have ptsd symptoms.

[Pillarofhell]

You guys are literally too low iq to understand

[Subarugirl]

What you are referring to is known as an epigenetic change because it affects the chemical marker for the gene rather than the gene itself. You are talking about environmental factors that effect DNA, or rather chemical sequences. Epigenetics most often involves changes that affect gene activity and expression, but the term can also be used to describe any heritable phenotypic change. Such effects on cellular and physiological phenotypic traits may result from external or environmental factors, or be part of normal development. These time of changes can cause the offspring to be more susceptible to diseases like cancer, anxiety and depression. It does not however pass down learned information.

[Pillarofhell]

what the fuck does it matter how the genes work if the result is a genetically inherited change in behavior

[Subarugirl]

Because it doesn't change behavior as much as it can leave a chemical mark on a person’s genes, which can then be passed down to future generations. This isn't passing down learned behavior, its your body leaving a chemical marker on the DNA caused by extreme distress to your offspring. That can make people more susceptible and prone trauma.

[Pillarofhell]

Fuck off I've already done real world test on animals and know what I'm talking about

[Subarugirl]

What kid in highschool biology hasn't? And how is "real world tests on animals" relevant to epigenetics, learned behavior and instinct. That statement was kind of creepy and incredibly vague.

[Pillarofhell]

let's see if my dick up your ass is creepy enough. fuck off. you dont know who you're talking to

[Subarugirl]

Yeah actually I think I do... I am talking to a 22 year old boy, that apparently likes to experiment on animals, and doesn't have the cognitive ability to participate in an intellectual conversation with out throwing a tantrum when someone disagrees with his opinion.

Does that sound about right?

[Pillarofhell]

be real your ego is an 18 year olds in a 24 year old aging out body

[Subarugirl]

At least I can admit when I am wrong

[Subarugirl]

@loveslongnails had a point

[Anonymous]

Women feel entitled to men’s bodies, money, time, etc.
Openly and aggressively.

Most Men do not feel this way towards women at all.

[Subarugirl]

I think you are confusing entitlement with requiring the partner you are in a relationship to be emotionally invested in the relationship. Big difference.

[Opinion Owner]

it’s only different because it benefits you.

[Subarugirl]

If your partner isn’t emotional invested, then it’s not really much of a relationship is it

[Opinion Owner]

If your partner isn’t putting out it isn’t really a relationship either.

Especially when most women will drop panties for a douchebag without any other requirements. If she uses sex as a tool, weapon, or prize for the person she “loves” but handed it out for free to endless douchebags. It has no value therefore she shouldn’t treat it like it has.

[Subarugirl]

I guess that is what happens when sex is the most important thing in a relationship.

[Opinion Owner]

It’s the only thing men need you for and therefore the only thing you bring to the table. If you don’t give it, then why should men give you all the shit you need and want?

[Subarugirl]

If that were true don't you think that men would stick to prostitutes and pocket pussys… personally I bring a lot more to the table than my vagina.

[Opinion Owner]

Well many Many men are giving up on dating.

What do you bring to the table.

[Subarugirl]

Good for them, I’m married. A good mother and wife to my son and husband, I contribute financially, physically and emotionally to my family.

[Opinion Owner]

No no no
What is something you bring to the relationship he can’t do or get himself?