Why do some men feel entitled to women's bodies/attention?

[LoloWaye]

My friend and I were in an uber and there was another passenger, a guy around our age. We were talking about the Bill Cosby case. The guy said if a girl accepts a drink from a guy then she is obligated to have sex with him. This turned into a heated argument.

This isn't the first time something like this has happened. Guys I've talked to think that if a girl accepts anything from them than she is obligated to give him sex. Going on dates, buying her shit, sharing whatever, etc. I've had guys lick their lips and fucking leer at me while talking to me but get offended when I tell them to back off. Or if the "nice guys" don't get the girl than we're bitches and are going to hit the wall because we're not interested.

[PrinceNeo]

well for one the whole Bill Cosby case is sensitive topic in general and everybody has a different opinion on it
however you're not wrong to get upset at the fact of guys expecting to have your pussy if they get you something but this is kind of an eye for eye kinda thing that most guys have I'll admit I had the same thoughts when I was younger cuz I thought it was a fair trade I buy a girl something and she gave me something but as I got older I found out the difference between wanting a one night stand and a relationship
the guys who are buying things hoping to get in you pants are guys with the mind set that either you'll like them more if they buy you shit or the just spent their hard-earned cash on some shit so you owe them
this can easily be fixed by you getting them something back or if you're on a date paying for your own food that'll basically send the message that you're just hanging out as friends
also the ones that are leering or licking their lips are obnoxious dumbasses that think if they make some stupid face that you're just going to give it up to them 😂 it's funny to watch them fail at that
and just like how when most women think that if a guy doesn't like them there and a****** or jerk and their friends keep telling them that it's the same thing with guys we tell our Bros either she's a b**** or she stingy

[KalleBaron]

Those men watch too much "TV" to think that was the case. If a girl gets a free drink from a guy then she has every right to take it without having to give something back. She earned it by being attractive to that guy and the prize for the guy can range from nothing to gaining a new friend or something even more but there are always no guarantees. If the guy thinks he deserves sex that's complete BS, there are too many factors to consider.
- she could be married
- she could already be in a relationship
- she could not prefer men at all
- she could not just be interested at all
too many to list and that's only from the girl's perspective
any guy who thinks they deserve more than a "thank you" is very optimistic and any guy who thinks they deserve sex is flat out stupid.

[kaylaS91]

Because a huge number of people still belong to and believe in the patriarchal nonsense a variety of cultures and religions still fill their heads with.

As for the self-proclaimed 'nice guys' whose first route of action involves them writing essays with no purpose other than to berate women who have turned them down, in addition to the guys these women chose instead of them... well, that's probably just a natural reaction to them no longer being given what they want as soon as they want it. Not much different than how children throw tantrums when not given their favourite toy.

[RJGraveyTrain]

It's a general lack of perspective. People in general (both male and female) have a mentality of:

"If I buy her something I get something in return."
Or:
"If I agree to go out with him I'm owed a steak dinner."

It's irrational justification that they feel will lead them to the most ideal end of their preferred scenario. It's a self-serving mentality and lack of understanding of basic social concepts.

... Idiocy, is what I'm saying.

[Astoriana]

Because they were spoiled as children and were never taught to behave with respect.

This is why I hate the "boys will be boys" thing. It gives boys carte blanche to do whatever the fuck they want and they never learn how to be a decent human being. No, if you do that with your children then you're a terrible parent.

[SaramadHill]

Obviously not every guy feels that way about women. Each time you meet someone give them the benefit of the doubt and judge everyone differently. The very second they say anything stupid like girls owe them sex for (charitable act) or (gift), they're wrong. And some of the nice guys are like that other girl described, like children throwing tantrums when they don't get their way.

Sex is not a privilege; at it's purest form it is an act of passion between two consenting adults. You cannot do something for someone and expect to get sex in return, UNLESS you're paying a whore for it. That's literally it. Jesus christ these guys (and sometimes women) make me want to put toothpicks under my toenails and kick a wall sometimes...

[Bindos]

I think some guys feel like it is their birth right to have sex with any women and that they just have to deal with it, but I think thats disgusting and even though I have done modelling and I guess I am relatively ok looking I still often feel incredibly privileged when a girl lets me take off her bra and I just see her lying in front of me and then sleep with her, I think its one of the most incredible and most trust worthy thing anyone can let you do and anyone that thinks they are entitled to it needs to go f**ck themselves no matter how much money they spend on her for drinks, cloths or jewellery. To be honest I kind of sometimes feel like need to apologise for other guys from my generation for all the shit they put girls through its kinda creepy, at the end of the day I think women are kinda just as entitled to any mans body as a man is to their body especially as it could end up with her being pregnant.

[America1st]

You seem to run into men that are only an adult because of their age. Any guy that thinks he gets sex if he buys anything for a woman is really a 15 year old child. He never matured. Ignore those who think like this and don't let them control whether you are upset or not. Just consider the source and forget it. All that really matters is that you know what they are and you are above letting such stupid crap have an effect on you. Also, I'm a nice guy and I don't get upset if I am rejected by a woman. I don't care why this happens. I know that not every woman is going to be attracted to me. I don't take rejection as a personal put down. People say no for many reasons that have nothing to do with the asker. Why assume something that you have no clue is the truth.

[martyfellow]

for centuries men owned women, at least the wealthy men. So it's not surprising some men still feel women are property today, and should be bought, like cars.

A lot of WOMEN agree with such men, even today, don't kid yourself.

Good for you for taking a stand against this attitude.

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[Love_Is_Eternal]

For centuries men also protected women.

[car_arev]

first off let me apologize on behalf of all the men who don't know how to respect women, and don't know how to treat them.
second, if you accept a drink from a guy you should at least be willing to talk to the guy, you don't have too but it's the polite thing to do. as for u owing sex to them, you don't owe them anything, just don't lead them on if your not interested

[EpicDweeb]

I don't know why this is. I don't think guys are ever entitled to sex. If they give you something with expectations of you giving something in return, they are being idiots. If a gift is given, the person it is given to is under no obligation to give a gift in return. However, if a business transaction is made each party is to trade something. If you are not accepting a business transaction, you are under no obligation to give a person anything.

[AleDeEurope]

I guess it's for the same reason girls believe that because they have a vagina they shouldn't pay for dates or anything.
Some people just think they are entitled to shit because of their genitals.

[tyber1]

Exactly, entitlement isn't just a male problem.

[1truekhaleesi]

What the fuck. That's not how this works. That's not how dating in general works. Anyways, the short answer is that these people have a self serving mentality and probably feel entitled to more than just sex.

[Anonymous]

I don't know. I've never heard a drink equals sex.

On the other hand a woman who lets a guy buy her dinner a few times because she enjoys the attention is being a completely deceitful bitch. She doesn't deserve to get raped but she's being fucking awful.

[Dale1982]

Women in this world aren't a big commitee just a bunch of individuals who happen to be the same sex just like men. Saying that a lot of women like male attention and are happy to be pulled. Somebody has to show interest, if it was left to women the human race wouldn't exist in a century. If it offends you then stay away from guys then but you'll end up alone and bitter if you think nobody is good enough for you

[backonthelist]

he's an a**hole but that was his choice he just can't complain when the sh*t comes back to him. As for the b*itches -they got the sympathy they thought they wanted so it all works out. No harm no foul. At the end of the day though, you have to wonder why it even matters. The job is said and done just leave them all alone and stop feeding into the sympathy.

[Anonymous]

Why do women feel entitled to men's servitude, money, hard work, attention, etc?

Women have no issue expecting men be disposable entities to their entitled little worlds. They have no issue using their sexuality to get things from men, and yet seem to get bent out of shape when a male expects something from a female.

[scuff1986]

because of the way that some men feel they still over power women and that they are the alpha breed, i think its all crap as far as im concered everyone is an equal and guys shouldn't think that they can command and expect from women

[Anonymous]

This WILL persist until women start paying their own fucking way on dates. WHY do women not get this? You cannot have it both ways... either you WANT things to stay traditional, along with the traditional expectations, or you want equality.

[Astoriana]

So you can treat women as a hole to fuck, or as a human being, according to you? Charming.

Doesn't sound like women are the problem here.

[tyber1]

@Astoriana that's not what he said

[Astoriana]

@tyber1 except it is.

[tyber1]

@Astoriana he said that you can either both treat dating like you're entitled to get something out of it, or neither of you can. A woman expecting a guy to buy her dinner is no better than the guy who expect to be repaid for his 'kindness'. They're both using people towards their own ends, because they're selfish and entitled.

[tyber1]

@Astoriana basically what he was saying is you can't use someone and complain that they're using you.

[Astoriana]

@tyber1 which was an excuse to treat women like fuck holes and not as human beings.

[tyber1]

@Astoriana no better than treating men like a wallet. You cannot use someone and complain that you're being used. You'd have no moral high ground. Users deserve each other.

[Opinion Owner]

@Astoriana What @tyber1 said is 100% spot on. I was not saying it is OK for men to behave as you describe in your question and treat women as fuck holes. Of course that's not OK, but it's no worse than women using men for a free meal, which happens all the fucking time. I was commenting on the hypocrisy of today's women, that's all.

[itsallover]

Can't blame them for taking advantage of the system.

[tyber1]

@itsallover... yeah, you can... you can very easily

[Astoriana]

@tyber1 if all a man has to offer is his money, and all he does is brag about how rich he is, then he is at fault when people take advantage of him.

Also, you can't say "of course it's not okay to treat women as sub-human" if you're going to follow it up with "it's no worse than a man being used for his money." Being treated as a non-human object is and forever will be objectively worse as that is a working definition for a slave.

[tyber1]

@Astoriana being treated like a wallet is also dehumanizing, and we are not talking about rich men being taken advantage of, that's a different story. The majority of women expect a man to pay for her, regardless of his socioeconomic class or even her own wealth.

[Astoriana]

@tyber1 even poor and middle class men act like all they have to offer is money. If that's true, then it's no surprise that people take advantage of them. Y'all talk about personal responsibility but are also completely unwilling to take any yourselves. If you want to go dutch, fucking say so.

[Opinion Owner]

@Astoriana The hypocrisy of some women is just astounding.

[tyber1]

@Astoriana I don't know where you live that the only thing Men think they're good for is money, but it's clearly not on Earth. Men with money will take advantage of it but every man who isn't mentally ill thinks that he has something to offer beyond paying for dinner. We are people and we want to be valued for more than that.

Men are in a bind where we either have to pay for someone else's stuff, or lose out on romantic/sexual opportunities. If a guy doesn't allow himself to be used for his wallet, he isn't going to get a second date. Women talk about how they like manly men but they're really into manly men who turn into spineless chumps when you want them to. God forbid someone with a vagina has to whip out 20 bucks to buy themselves food.

[tyber1]

I know, total hypocrites and it's like they can't even see it.

[Astoriana]

@tyber1 by thinking that all the average woman wants from you is your money, you presuppose by definition that money is all you have to offer. Since that's clearly all you believe women are capable of, you must also believe the same of yourself. THUs the only hypocrite is you.

[tyber1]

@Astoriana thats not true, thinking you have more than one thing to offer and being used for one thing are unrelated in the same way a woman can have a lot to offer and still be used just for sex.

My beliefs are reinforced by reality. Women don't pay their fair share on dates, and when they do it usually doesn't result in another date. Whereas a guy can fuck a girl and still go out with her again, or he can fuck her but dislike something else about her. Men aren't as one dimensional on the sex stuff as you might believe, but women usually are when it comes to the bill.

[Astoriana]

@tyber1 y'all are just fishing for reasons not to treat women as human beings. That's all I have gathered from this "discussion".

[tyber1]

@Astoriana no, I'm not. I don't generally date anymore. I don't treat women like anything. I would like a sexual partner, but the process of finding one isn't worth it to me. So women don't get treated positively or negatively by me anymore, in general. Not looking for any excuses to justify anything because I'm not doing anything.

[devonthedude]

This argument sums up the problem so well 😂

[tyber1]

Why do women feel entitled to free shit at a guys expense?

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Right? Hey wait isn't that my money and time she's taking advantage of? Put yourself in a man's shoes:

He paid for your nails, hair, clothes, and cab ride. You sit down to a dinner that he is paying for. When you order the most expensive thing on the menu and those 3 drinks, your bill came up to over $100 and that wasn't even his meal. He pays for your cab ride back or maybe he drives you in his car. He spent it anyway in the hopes that maybe he finally found one he could be intimate with. He feels as entitled to her body as she did to his time and his food and his clothes and his nails and his hair.

[tyber1]

@Wwwyzzerdd I don't know anyone who compensates their dates for getting ready for the date, there is plenty to justifiably ridicule without having to make up things that never happen.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Never having a ltr, I personally have never paid for a girls nails and hair. I've known quite a few guys that would give their partners cash to get all fancy.

[tyber1]

@Wwwyzzerdd there's nothing wrong with buying something nice for your partner from time to time. It's a different story if they expect these things, like girls do on the first few dates.

[Anonymous]

Same reason some women feel entitled to get free stuff. Both of those kinds of people deserve each other.

[ravedave]

Any guy who thinks that is just a dumb mongrel who isn't worth your time, all they want is sex and are upset when they don't get their way.

[TheUglyMonk]

I wouldn't buy someone drinks and if I do it's generally to start a conversation with them. If you take the drink and don't even want to talk I still got no problem.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Otherwise she's a gold digger. She wants a sugardaddy without the sugar.

[chris_987]

Men don't feel entitled we just are trying to show our appreciation for your body your the one who misunderstood us