i dunno, iv never considered suicide even tho i have no desire to live and lazy asf, but thats not something il ever think about, unless i eventually become bored of living, but anyway, i dont know i dont think suicide has anything to do with gender... but men are more likely to go through with it probably cos we have balls
I was thinking something along these lines. Maybe not every single case, but it's pretty obvious if you really want to die, you don't make a half-ass attempt and call someone to come rescue you as you or before you do it. It's all about the method.
Guys usually use a gun or jump off a bridge so it is pretty much a one way trip. Women overdose on pills so there is more instances where they are found before they are dead or they do not take enough of the pills.
Women don't want their faces messed up so don't shoot their self often. This one did using a.308 hunting rifle under her chin and survived. https://youtu.be/3VHTquIQBBo
Well some people do that when they are not thinking straight. She was in a rage and was killing herself over some loser guy. She turned out to be the one who lost.
I think overall, the majority of women are happier in general compared to men. But I've heard that guys have a much higher "success" rate with it also, and I don't doubt that. A guy will make sure it's done right lol. Example if a woman is going to OD on pills, maybe takes 5 for example, a guy will take the entire bottle and make sure he's done for LOL
Because the male is serious about it. While the females who fail didn’t really fail they got the attention they sought. The goal for the women wasn’t death if she failed , for life is fragile and easily ended.
some of us (will stress SOME) dont have an outlet, dont have someone to love them, have a shitty family life and marriage, mentally, psychologically and emotionally abused at work, or even on here by cyberbullies *wink*, jobs failing, girlfriend / wife not giving them enough credit, money woes. It all adds up..
Such a very wrong statement. We seek help but there is never readily available help for men, we get waitlisted because we are men and not seen as in much distress that we need immediate care.
@VanillaSalt that's exactly it, I was going from one therapist office to the next and at each one I was put on a waiting list after waiting list, watching female after female getting appointments booked on the spot. It took me jumping of a bridge and being taken to the hospital where I was appointed a therapist. There was no help for me until I did something drastic and that's what it's like for most men out there.
Most females on here are making the wrong assumptions about why men commit suicide more often because they don't know what it's like for guys because they can get whatever help they need, whereas for guys you can only seek out help and get turned away so many times before you choose the only option left.
I've never found it difficult , because I did express myself I know what to expect and it isn't good!!
You can tell men that the sky is orange and the Moon is cheese but we live in this world and a lifetime of experience says that men who express emotions are looked down on by men and ostracized by women.
A man is more likely to be eaten by a polar bear at a five star restaurant than get help from anyone.
I it's because men are usually expected to be tough and not show emotion, expressions like "Be a man" imply that anything that shows any form vulnerability is not manly
Loneliness. Single women won't know what true loneliness feels like for men. Also those fake bots on social media that keeps sending you their affiliate or some crypto links. Pretty good reason to kill yourself.
It's the way we're socialized. Men are supposed to be strong, so we're less likely to get help as a result of not wanting to appear weak. On top of that, we have a tendency to use more violent and effective methods.
Because society expects men to basically be demi-Gods. Look at dating sites, women's demands of men are insane. We're expected to shoulder most responsibilities and not be vulnerable but strong, always.
Because the current society is telling them they're worthless. That they should be ashamed of being a man for the "historic oppression" enacted by those who also had a penis (which is a uninformed argument at best and a deliberate lie at worst).
Because boys are taught that men are the wage earners, protectors of women and the providers! With all those responsibilities, who wouldn’t be overwhelmed! To answer your question. I have no idea!
Men think very impulsively so most of them start doing it and don't stop. Women don't think that way so they are more likely to stop and not follow through
It is true. Testosterone causes men to be more impulsive and also causes them to be violent. Mix that with some depression and it's the reason why men kill themselves more then women do
I think that you meant to say less impulsive and violent. I’ve seen plenty of women act impulsively and violently. And while lots of women are depressed men are less likely to be diagnosed with the same issue
@Apple1996 Believe it or not, it takes a man a long time to make the decision that he wants to kill himself. It generally is not something he decided overnight out of anger. Suicide victims have usually been thinking about it for quite some time. They endure whatever pain they're experiencing for more than most of us really realize, and something has to make them finally take the leap to do it.
Women are the impulsive ones about it. They attempt suicide at far greater rates than men do because of momentary feelings of deep sadness, or because they're doing it as a 'cry for help' or some kind of attention from people. Which is why they die from their attempts less often than men.
@ManOnFire yeah I get that. I don't think it's impulsive in that way since it is usually planned out. It's more impulsive in the manner of how the act is carried out
@Apple1996 Which is why I said women. Popping pills or slitting wrists is nowhere near guaranteed, and are often done out of emotional impulse just so they can end up in the hospital and get help from people.
@ManOnFire you do know women tend to self harm like cut because they're taught to hold angry in and not show it like men do. It's not a cry for attention it's purely cause they can't go around being angry like men do
here is a good 20 full page comprehensive study on the matter... which points out the difference between genders and the factor about being impulsive and the follow-through factor as well
Exactly and that is a good example of how people react differently to times of crisis. Saying that the reason men commit suicide at a higher rate is because they are more impulsive is inaccurate. According to this article, planned suicide attempts are more lethal than impulsive suicides. So it would start to reason that women are more impulsive with their suicide attempts which is why they are 2 times less likely die from an attempt.
@Apple1996 "you do know women tend to self harm like cut because they're taught to hold angry in and not show it like men do." - I don't think that's true. I've never known a girl cutter who did that as a way to hold angry in. Cutters aren't always cutting their wrists either, and usually aren't the women who attempt suicide.
"Men are impulsive and want to get it over with that's why they follow through more" - They do want to get it over with, but not before they've had to put up with their own pain for long enough. That still is not impulsive.
@Subarugirl men usually go with different impulsive methods... which is fire guns and hanging, and it can take less than five minutes to die... this is "being impulsive without deliberation"
while women usually go for different methods like pill overdosing and cutting wrist, which is also impulsive yes, however... it's a lot less lethal
the impulsive behaviour in men is more likely for me to actually go through with and end up dead, yes or yes...
@ManOnFire Agreed - Men usually go that way when they've reached their limit - So it's really planned out over and over again how everything is gonna go down - It's more a type of logical helplessness that leads them there in which they see it as the best most practical solution - I think in the case of women - as you said - it's more of an emotional quicker decision that they don't really want to do as well as the solution being needing more help..
@jaybee281 Precisely. See? @Apple1996@Subarugirl this is what I was saying: men are speaking their minds every day but women choose not to listen and don't really want to know what we think or how we feel.
@ManOnFire that is not true at all. Woman have a lot of empathy towards men when they speak about their feelings. The men in my life that I've know with depression have all gotten treatment for it because they've had women help and support them. It's seems to only be a issue when a man goes to another man for help
Many men have standards to live up to or else we face being single all our lives, broke and invisible. Apple what you don't understand is that when a male hits a dead end in life there is no happy ending and no safety net for us. In the real world life is harsh unfair and brutal.
For some guys suicide is the best option because nobody helps men and life ain't no candy land of happy dreams.
@NathanDavis , Nathan is one of those guys lacking empathy that never had hardships so he thinks every dude has it easy. This is how guys like Nathan think. They call any male speaking up about male issues whiny and expect men to just suppress things. Nathan has a cult mindset
Nathan is a text book sociopath lacking empathy. Nathans brain can't process empathy so don't bother talking to him.
@ManOnFire I sure can support men and I do support men... but my point again here is... you're not a man
you're just an inadequate douchebag that can't take responsibility for himself and his real life so... all you have to do is to come here and say shit about women with your every post
you always blame them for everything that is wrong about you, and others like you
the saddest part of all is that you really hope that others have it just like you and join your stupidity
and sure other idiots around here will always do join you, because in a bunch, all of you feel less of the cowards you all are, and then go idiotic against women
well, guess what... a true man will NEVER stand beside you for that kind of bullshit
hence I am not and never will
true men will always get support from other men and women... but you, you're just a bag of BS on fire
@NathanDavis I don't mind your opinion, it's yours to have and keep. Although I will say that no 'true man' loses his cool and makes a long, angry rant like a "mitch."
@ManOnFire it is not long... it takes just 10 seconds
and it was not an angry rant, it's just pointing out the reality, your reality
and the mitch around here is not me, it's you... the one that's always spreading hatred against women due to your own inadequacy and bitter ways of life
and of course you don't mind it, because you're also a troll... that needs attention through controversy... that's why you always post this kind of shit and always against women, but the moment a real man calls you out on your BS, you like to play the victim...
@NathanDavis Bro, I am sorry but I literally cannot take you seriously hearing you whining like this especially with another guy. I always listen to what everyone has to say even if I don’t agree with it, but it gets hard to listen to at this point.
Anything you want to call me, any way you think of me, any way you want to perceive my activity, is perfectly fine. I have no issue with that. People dislike people all the time. That's your right, but you're not acting anywhere near manly about it and we're not even really having a solid discussion anymore at this point.
@NathanDavis Did you notice I've also criticized men more than once on this site, and have even written Takes about them too? Or it's just what I've talked about concerning women that you've only noticed and makes you uncomfortable?
@ManOnFire see, you have not denied that you attack women... you acknowledge it
and this is the problem with you, you come here and criticize everyone stupidly... so is not about what you do precisely, but how you do it and why you do it...
from your inadequacy, and that is what makes you a douche and a mitch, and this is the only reason why I call you out, the same I've done with others that do it the same you do it
@NathanDavis Attacking women would be like the Red Pillers who come on these sites purposely looking for fights and looking just too viciously verbally assault women users, which I don't do. I prefer to have actual discussions with users about these things, and I don't need to attack their character for it, even if we disagree.
I talk about issues with women, like I have about issues with men... but I don't think you've tuned in to that. Your perception is that what I talk about attacks women because it makes you uncomfortable.
"and this is the problem with you, you come here and criticize everyone stupidly" - I think you're already doing an excellent job of that without me. You're not calling out anybody on anything. You're displaying yourself as the very "mitch" you talk about.
Learn to have a little more tolerance, brother. Peace.
@Hallo626262 if you don’t stop harassing users on my thread I will report you to the moderators and start removing your comments. I am done with the name calling and insults, if you can’t disagree with someone with out being an asshole them you need to just shut up and stop being inflammatory. Be respectful, or begone.
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i dunno, iv never considered suicide even tho i have no desire to live and lazy asf, but thats not something il ever think about, unless i eventually become bored of living, but anyway, i dont know i dont think suicide has anything to do with gender... but men are more likely to go through with it probably cos we have balls
If a woman wants to die bad enough she can do it. Those that fail weren't really wanting to die, just get attention.
I was thinking something along these lines. Maybe not every single case, but it's pretty obvious if you really want to die, you don't make a half-ass attempt and call someone to come rescue you as you or before you do it. It's all about the method.
Guys usually use a gun or jump off a bridge so it is pretty much a one way trip. Women overdose on pills so there is more instances where they are found before they are dead or they do not take enough of the pills.
Women don't want their faces messed up so don't shoot their self often. This one did using a.308 hunting rifle under her chin and survived.
https://youtu.be/3VHTquIQBBo
@Daniela1982 I bet she was sorry she missed.
Well some people do that when they are not thinking straight. She was in a rage and was killing herself over some loser guy. She turned out to be the one who lost.
I think overall, the majority of women are happier in general compared to men. But I've heard that guys have a much higher "success" rate with it also, and I don't doubt that. A guy will make sure it's done right lol. Example if a woman is going to OD on pills, maybe takes 5 for example, a guy will take the entire bottle and make sure he's done for LOL
Because the male is serious about it. While the females who fail didn’t really fail they got the attention they sought. The goal for the women wasn’t death if she failed , for life is fragile and easily ended.
some of us (will stress SOME) dont have an outlet, dont have someone to love them, have a shitty family life and marriage, mentally, psychologically and emotionally abused at work, or even on here by cyberbullies *wink*, jobs failing, girlfriend / wife not giving them enough credit, money woes. It all adds up..
Men are just.. in general.. less likely to seek help. It’s unfortunate but they tend to be more stubborn and brush off any kind of mental help.
Such a very wrong statement. We seek help but there is never readily available help for men, we get waitlisted because we are men and not seen as in much distress that we need immediate care.
I would think men holding things in, and not talking about it with others is a big reason why
Because they’re taught to not let out their emotions or to toughen up since a young age. Therefore, they end up holding everything inside.
Men tend to go ahead and do it, instead of reaching out for help, because they find it difficult to talk about the things that bother them.
What help do men have? Women have tons of programs if they are hungry or homeless but men have almost none.
@VanillaSalt that's exactly it, I was going from one therapist office to the next and at each one I was put on a waiting list after waiting list, watching female after female getting appointments booked on the spot. It took me jumping of a bridge and being taken to the hospital where I was appointed a therapist. There was no help for me until I did something drastic and that's what it's like for most men out there.
Most females on here are making the wrong assumptions about why men commit suicide more often because they don't know what it's like for guys because they can get whatever help they need, whereas for guys you can only seek out help and get turned away so many times before you choose the only option left.
I've never found it difficult , because I did express myself I know what to expect and it isn't good!!
You can tell men that the sky is orange and the Moon is cheese but we live in this world and a lifetime of experience says that men who express emotions are looked down on by men and ostracized by women.
A man is more likely to be eaten by a polar bear at a five star restaurant than get help from anyone.
Geez I wonder
Too bad that doesn’t include the full picture, like rape and sexual assault statistic, medical malpractice, and harassment.
I it's because men are usually expected to be tough and not show emotion, expressions like "Be a man" imply that anything that shows any form vulnerability is not manly
Loneliness. Single women won't know what true loneliness feels like for men.
Also those fake bots on social media that keeps sending you their affiliate or some crypto links. Pretty good reason to kill yourself.
It's the way we're socialized. Men are supposed to be strong, so we're less likely to get help as a result of not wanting to appear weak. On top of that, we have a tendency to use more violent and effective methods.
Because society expects men to basically be demi-Gods. Look at dating sites, women's demands of men are insane. We're expected to shoulder most responsibilities and not be vulnerable but strong, always.
They fail to get proper mental health treatment, I have been under mental health treatment since age 21 and on many medications
People are four times less likely to care how they are doing.😟😢😓😔😞
If that were true why is there so much literature, research and effort going into addressing the issue?
Men commiting suicide, or suicide?
Because the current society is telling them they're worthless. That they should be ashamed of being a man for the "historic oppression" enacted by those who also had a penis (which is a uninformed argument at best and a deliberate lie at worst).
Because boys are taught that men are the wage earners, protectors of women and the providers!
With all those responsibilities, who wouldn’t be overwhelmed!
To answer your question. I have no idea!
Men think very impulsively so most of them start doing it and don't stop. Women don't think that way so they are more likely to stop and not follow through
I don’t think that is true
It is true. Testosterone causes men to be more impulsive and also causes them to be violent. Mix that with some depression and it's the reason why men kill themselves more then women do
If that were true why are women 2 times more likely to have a failed attempt.
More women are depressed then men but they aren't impulsive or violent so they have nothing driving them besides the depression
I think that you meant to say less impulsive and violent. I’ve seen plenty of women act impulsively and violently. And while lots of women are depressed men are less likely to be diagnosed with the same issue
@Apple1996 Believe it or not, it takes a man a long time to make the decision that he wants to kill himself. It generally is not something he decided overnight out of anger. Suicide victims have usually been thinking about it for quite some time. They endure whatever pain they're experiencing for more than most of us really realize, and something has to make them finally take the leap to do it.
Women are the impulsive ones about it. They attempt suicide at far greater rates than men do because of momentary feelings of deep sadness, or because they're doing it as a 'cry for help' or some kind of attention from people. Which is why they die from their attempts less often than men.
@ManOnFire yeah I get that. I don't think it's impulsive in that way since it is usually planned out. It's more impulsive in the manner of how the act is carried out
@Apple1996 Which is why I said women. Popping pills or slitting wrists is nowhere near guaranteed, and are often done out of emotional impulse just so they can end up in the hospital and get help from people.
@ManOnFire you do know women tend to self harm like cut because they're taught to hold angry in and not show it like men do. It's not a cry for attention it's purely cause they can't go around being angry like men do
Women do this too so they can feel pain. Men are impulsive and want to get it over with that's why they follow through more
As someone who used to selfharm I can assure that it is generally an impulsive act.
I also use to be a cutter. It wasn't impulsive for me at all. It was something I specifically planned out everytime before I did it
here is a good 20 full page comprehensive study on the matter... which points out the difference between genders and the factor about being impulsive and the follow-through factor as well
psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/.../...on-Smith_15.pdf
Exactly and that is a good example of how people react differently to times of crisis. Saying that the reason men commit suicide at a higher rate is because they are more impulsive is inaccurate. According to this article, planned suicide attempts are more lethal than impulsive suicides. So it would start to reason that women are more impulsive with their suicide attempts which is why they are 2 times less likely die from an attempt.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4965648/
@Apple1996 "you do know women tend to self harm like cut because they're taught to hold angry in and not show it like men do." - I don't think that's true. I've never known a girl cutter who did that as a way to hold angry in. Cutters aren't always cutting their wrists either, and usually aren't the women who attempt suicide.
"Men are impulsive and want to get it over with that's why they follow through more" - They do want to get it over with, but not before they've had to put up with their own pain for long enough. That still is not impulsive.
@Subarugirl men usually go with different impulsive methods... which is fire guns and hanging, and it can take less than five minutes to die... this is "being impulsive without deliberation"
while women usually go for different methods like pill overdosing and cutting wrist, which is also impulsive yes, however... it's a lot less lethal
the impulsive behaviour in men is more likely for me to actually go through with and end up dead, yes or yes...
@ManOnFire Agreed - Men usually go that way when they've reached their limit - So it's really planned out over and over again how everything is gonna go down - It's more a type of logical helplessness that leads them there in which they see it as the best most practical solution - I think in the case of women - as you said - it's more of an emotional quicker decision that they don't really want to do as well as the solution being needing more help..
@jaybee281 Precisely. See? @Apple1996 @Subarugirl this is what I was saying: men are speaking their minds every day but women choose not to listen and don't really want to know what we think or how we feel.
@ManOnFire that is not true at all. Woman have a lot of empathy towards men when they speak about their feelings. The men in my life that I've know with depression have all gotten treatment for it because they've had women help and support them. It's seems to only be a issue when a man goes to another man for help
@ManOnFire well this is not true at all... not in general
women have listened to me and genuinely cared for me... for almost 20 years now
same with my two brothers, my best friends, my father... and many other
just because you have lead a shitty life for yourself, does not mean everyone else has it the same
You aren't the brightest.
Many men have standards to live up to or else we face being single all our lives, broke and invisible. Apple what you don't understand is that when a male hits a dead end in life there is no happy ending and no safety net for us. In the real world life is harsh unfair and brutal.
For some guys suicide is the best option because nobody helps men and life ain't no candy land of happy dreams.
@Amouranth_ thing is you and @ManOnFire are not actual men... you're just online whiny mitches
@NathanDavis , Nathan is one of those guys lacking empathy that never had hardships so he thinks every dude has it easy. This is how guys like Nathan think. They call any male speaking up about male issues whiny and expect men to just suppress things. Nathan has a cult mindset
Nathan is a text book sociopath lacking empathy. Nathans brain can't process empathy so don't bother talking to him.
@NathanDavis You pretty much just proved my point, dude. Thank you.
@Amouranth_ not sure what standards men have to live up to? And life ain't fair for nobody regardless of their gender
@ManOnFire I sure can support men and I do support men... but my point again here is... you're not a man
you're just an inadequate douchebag that can't take responsibility for himself and his real life so... all you have to do is to come here and say shit about women with your every post
you always blame them for everything that is wrong about you, and others like you
the saddest part of all is that you really hope that others have it just like you and join your stupidity
and sure other idiots around here will always do join you, because in a bunch, all of you feel less of the cowards you all are, and then go idiotic against women
well, guess what... a true man will NEVER stand beside you for that kind of bullshit
hence I am not and never will
true men will always get support from other men and women... but you, you're just a bag of BS on fire
@NathanDavis I don't mind your opinion, it's yours to have and keep. Although I will say that no 'true man' loses his cool and makes a long, angry rant like a "mitch."
@ManOnFire it is not long... it takes just 10 seconds
and it was not an angry rant, it's just pointing out the reality, your reality
and the mitch around here is not me, it's you... the one that's always spreading hatred against women due to your own inadequacy and bitter ways of life
and of course you don't mind it, because you're also a troll... that needs attention through controversy... that's why you always post this kind of shit and always against women, but the moment a real man calls you out on your BS, you like to play the victim...
@NathanDavis Bro, I am sorry but I literally cannot take you seriously hearing you whining like this especially with another guy. I always listen to what everyone has to say even if I don’t agree with it, but it gets hard to listen to at this point.
Anything you want to call me, any way you think of me, any way you want to perceive my activity, is perfectly fine. I have no issue with that. People dislike people all the time. That's your right, but you're not acting anywhere near manly about it and we're not even really having a solid discussion anymore at this point.
@ManOnFire that is right... your only interest here is to take it against women
but any time a real man calls you out, you want none of it... and that, is not surprising at all. that's what all mitches around here like to do
and you're just another one of those
@NathanDavis Did you notice I've also criticized men more than once on this site, and have even written Takes about them too? Or it's just what I've talked about concerning women that you've only noticed and makes you uncomfortable?
@ManOnFire see, you have not denied that you attack women... you acknowledge it
and this is the problem with you, you come here and criticize everyone stupidly... so is not about what you do precisely, but how you do it and why you do it...
from your inadequacy, and that is what makes you a douche and a mitch, and this is the only reason why I call you out, the same I've done with others that do it the same you do it
@NathanDavis Attacking women would be like the Red Pillers who come on these sites purposely looking for fights and looking just too viciously verbally assault women users, which I don't do. I prefer to have actual discussions with users about these things, and I don't need to attack their character for it, even if we disagree.
I talk about issues with women, like I have about issues with men... but I don't think you've tuned in to that. Your perception is that what I talk about attacks women because it makes you uncomfortable.
"and this is the problem with you, you come here and criticize everyone stupidly" - I think you're already doing an excellent job of that without me. You're not calling out anybody on anything. You're displaying yourself as the very "mitch" you talk about.
Learn to have a little more tolerance, brother. Peace.
@ManOnFire bull... none of what I called you out on, was uncalled for
@Hallo626262 if you don’t stop harassing users on my thread I will report you to the moderators and start removing your comments. I am done with the name calling and insults, if you can’t disagree with someone with out being an asshole them you need to just shut up and stop being inflammatory. Be respectful, or begone.
Women have empathy only for the men the either have interest in or feel they can get something from.