90% of men think that the friendly behavior of women is "flirting"! Is this true?

[pancake]

Do you agree with the statement above?

[Lliam]

90% of the time? I doubt it. Some girls are just friendly people. And some were taught to smile and be pleasant at all times.

Unfriendly behavior is certainly discouraging. Therefore, friendly behavior leaves the door open.

I've known and worked with a lot of women. Most of them were friendly, whether married, in a relationship, or single. And some of them were very desirable.

But there is a subtle difference between mere friendliness and flirting. Women's signals are subtle. They rely almost 100% on body language - tone of voice, eye movements, smiles and giggles, close proximity, body movement and poses, finding reasons to talk to you. They might even make dirty jokes or puns. If she does all of that shit, she wants you.

If a guy perceives any of those things, he thinks he has a chance. He can start taking more initiative in flirting and establishing rapport. He can ask her out and see what happens.

She might not have been intentionally sending signals at all. Maybe she's just a cute, sexy, friendly girl. But a perceptive guy will have read the signals accurately.

[Finchie40]

For the most part yes , mainly because guys strive off of Ego’s when a girl compliments him and is nice to him and jokes around with him he will more than likely assumes she wants him for the most part , and he can easily take it the wrong way , why it’s best for girls that are in relationships to make it clear to other guys that they love their husband or boyfriend , Not in a mean way but in a way to let the other guy know she is off limits so the other guy doesn’t keep trying to pursue her thinking he has a chance and not cause any conflict in her current relationship out of respect for her partner , Girl’s do not realize the damage they can do to her partner by thinking she is just being nice and friendly , The same thing happens to guys in relationships talking to other girls just being friendly , even though he is just being friendly she can take it that he is flirting with her , especially if he has an outgoing personality , me personally isn’t shy and I like talking and mingling with people if I am out in public and socializing , Sometimes girls will think I am hitting on them when really I am just making conversation and take it the complete wrong way or her boyfriend will think I am trying to hot on her and get in her pants when that isn’t the case at all , so out of respect for Your partner and same goes for your partner as well try to stay clear of opposite sex people when you are in a relationship out of respect for each other , you can have small talk with the opposite sex but you are best not to have long deep conversations with the opposite sex and be too friendly cuz they can easily take it the wrong way

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

It’s only true if they’re attracted to the woman being friendly. The other 10% is when they actually see it as friendliness from a woman they would never be interested in. Cishet men in particular have this whole thing where they see all women in this light of “potentially the ONE” as they go about their lives but when it comes to unattractive women, they’ll either completely ignore her existence as much as possible, or just walk away as soon as the opportunity presents itself. I say this as that particular person when going out with a group of friends to meet new boyfriends and seeing how those guys would purposefully do everything possible to avoid eye-contact with me, or do as little as possible when I would ask them questions to get to know them. I usually end up being a good test for those men so my friends can know if they’re actually good guys or just playing the role to get to her.

[HuskyJ]

You end up the person blocking your likely better looking friends from happily marrying for who they are, not who you are.
I know it sounds harsh, it is just that men, especially the tiny minority of white brighf blue eyed smart men, are expected to run the globe for your benefit, from indusfrialised nations, yet instead of being helpful to the max with all that - for your own benefit, our own girls sabotage us the most by such expectations instead of being their loving and available helpful selves.
I understand marriage (forever) is a huge decision and that everyone wants it - girls especially - to go perfect and enfirely fit their expectations, but with a severe problem growing on our demographics front (not nearly enough marriage opporrunities nor childbirts for even the simple replacement levels of the blue eyed (especially the high IQ and decent/polite) population - our own will have to change completely and start to actively help for the disaster ahead to be averted.
It isn't that men want to ignore you - it is that good looking ones expect and deserve good looking girls who also actively help start the relationship and grow closer togerher - and your blocking because you give yourself the right to throw a tantrum for being left out is what creates the disaster - now a global problem - in the first place.
For all your self-righteous anger, you, directly, are rhe one that is entirely wrong in your approach.
Why do you not simply do what you can do be the best looming you and to find your own equal whilst helping othera find theirs?
If you believe there is someone out there who can fix it all to your extreme demands, you are sorely mistaken - there is literally no one but us to get all that resolved, and that whilst having to self exhaust continuously to keep the industrialised world's defense, economy, governance and future going - whilst you are bent on throwing a spanner in the most sensitive/vulnerable part of it - matching and marriage making.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

That’s some white supremacist shit you just spat out like a good comeback

[Orion76]

@HuskyJ Run This

[SphynxUK]

Maybe even more.
The amount of times a simple friendly smile or nondescript conversation has resulted in someone coming on to me or asking me out is mind blowing.
Had I of asked for their number, asked if they were single, been blatantly touchy feely, batting my eyelashes and preening profusely in front of them, then at least they might have had a reason to make those assumptions!

[HuskyJ]

And you enjoy that 'power' to ruin the same men you rely on for defense and finance and industrialised living?
So you have a lot of choice and like to abuse those who provide it to you? How very neighbourly and friendly is that (not)?

[SphynxUK]

What power? You mean me doing my job and getting hit on because I showed someone where the quinoa was? Are you mental?
Who am I abusing?
Do I need a man for financial purposes? I earn my own money. I provide for myself.
Get back in your box.

[HuskyJ]

It is probably your perfect smile. I have not been given dental braces until 2 years ago and still need another 12 months or so to be that uninterested/showered with attention.
Are you celibate or self-satisfying - or no longer a virgin/previously married?

[FilmGuy93]

That's pretty true, yeah. Maybe not quite 90%, but the vast majority of men will think that.

Women don't seem to appreciate how unpleasant so many women are to interact with. You people are definitely not sugar, spice and everything nice.

[MrOracle]

That's something of an exaggeration, but it's definitely true that when a man isn't sure if it's just her being friendly or if it's flirting, most men are going to be more optimistic than is warranted. There are still clear times when she is definitely flirting or when she is definitely just being friendly, but that area in the middle is harder for a lot of men to be fully objective.

It doesn't help that women are rarely direct, and prefer to "drop hints" and rely on subtext - languages men don't speak and struggle to understand. Men certainly share some responsibility for not fully understanding, but women also need to understand their part.

The worst thing is that modern society only serves to increase these misunderstandings, actively discouraging relationships between men and women (but putting tons of energy, effort, and money into LGBT education and causes). There is nothing new about these communication problems between men and women, but these lessons were once taught, and expectations set on both sides. That was largely abolished in the late 60s, though it took a couple of generations for the residual efforts to be stomped out. And we are all worse off for it.

[uwotm8e]

Wait, this was actually taught in a literal sense?

[MrOracle]

Yes, women used to literally be taught how to be a wife, and part of that was being taught how to communicate with a man. These lessons (many of which were taught informally, but still seriously) were taught in school, in church, and at home - it was woven through the entire fabric of society, much as men are still taught to be strong, stoic, to earn, lead, and protect. Yes, even those things have decreased in the last 20 years, all part of the same push to end relationships between men and women and thus to greatly reduce the population.

Society USED to have the goal of having stable nuclear families, and so people were taught how to be good relationship partners in the past, but that is no longer the goal - in fact, the World Economic Forum's main agenda item for the last 30 years has been population reduction. They only want enough Morlocks to maintain the machines that provide them - the wealthy and powerful Eloi - their comfortable lives, without having too many mouths to feed or having to worry about uprisings.

[JamesDiaz11]

Yes. Most men will consider a woman who gives them their time, and are nice to them, as flirting (possibly being interested in them). The reason for this is not that they're delusional, but men are so often ignored, ostracized, and verbally abused, that someone talking to them, being nice, and actually showing interest is rare. In our minds the only reason a girl would do this is if she likes us, which will increase our own interest in them.

A girl can likely discern flirting from "being nice" from a guy because they're usually treated nicely by EVERY guy out there. Any guy they engage in conversation with will at least by friendly.

There is a book written by a woman who presented herself as a guy for a year that details this- she killed herself as a result of her experience. As a man you are intrinsically treated like a threat (largely by women) no matter where you go. Most women will be cautious around you, bordering on fearful. Nearly every women you talk to will be short with you, likely overtly mean ("how dare you try hitting on me"). Forming friendships in adulthood is harder, both with women AND other men. Most adult men who don't have a friend group from earlier in life are lonely to the extent that women cannot even comprehend. Our phones will literally have no notifications for weeks aside from our own mothers.

So, let's return to your statement, and you can see why men would consider a girl being nice to them as flirting because it's so uncommon.

[Äxlbäksölöl]

Relatable :,(

[sage2021]

@JamesDuaz11 I am an older person on here, so I was speaking of how girls were back in the day. Nothing at all like now!
It's a shame guy's of today never got to experience this lively girl I am speaking of. I guess you can include me in that group. I was always smiling, nice, and friendly to guys. I would at least smile at them.
I don't agree with the new women's liberation of today. It's nothing like it was in the 70's when I grew up hearing about it.
It's really been weaponized huh? It must be if that author killed herself from being treated like a man. WOW!

[malwins]

Ja ow seroously did she

[Xoirwinkan]

Yeah I agree. Same thing with compliments. Guys get so few compliments we can practically count them on one hand of ones we received from non-family. Girls really overlook how good they have it.

[VanillaSalt]

This is 100% the answer. Men are so undervalued because women if not valued walk away but men are taught to just bare it and keep moving.

[ThinkFitness23]

It depends, what classes as flirting is a great question also.


Woman can be friendly, polite & caring but not flirting.


I think the key ingredient is attraction, genuine attraction can not be hidden it’s felt.


A person has a thousand smiles, many laughs and a look and stare are not always the same.


If you think someone is hot you may appreciate the looks but not actually fancy them, for me the difference is what you feel.


When you fancy someone and it’s reciprocated this is quite evident, the 2 people often up the ante over long or short periods to elevate the feeling and further confirm.


Common signs:


Her laugh
Her smile
Her eyes (and the way she looks at you)
The short bit powerful glance or glances
Her wanting to maximise your time together
Her seeking opportunities for you to be alone


I’m very good at spotting this but one occasion I’ll never forget was when I hugged a colleague and the end of an event and I felt her heart pounding.


I then knew and the vibe between us was odd for a while. I had a partner and knew she did also and I knew she wasn’t the type of woman to cheat, she’s too classy for that.


I think if your friendly with a man your vibe should be clear either way, most of the time I do think a woman is flirting with me to answer your question and these days it’s pretty clear, I catch women looking at my bum, touching my shoulders or arms (especially if drinking), playing with their hair and most commonly the way they stand or posture, I know you don’t pose like that for no reason.

[Lusciousphilippa28]

You sound delicious😘

[ThinkFitness23]

That’s attraction right there it’s not always visual and I’ll take that compliment.

6”
Mixed race
Athletic

I’ll leave it there, I don’t want to ruin it 😆

[Lusciousphilippa28]

6" is all I need😘(height that is...)!

[ThinkFitness23]

Yes 6 foot tall…

(In height)…
😆

Crumbs, are we flirting blind 🫢

[Lusciousphilippa28]

I must fancy you...😏

[ThinkFitness23]

Not necessarily, not in my opinion anyway.

Fancying someone needs at least two or more elements. You seem to like my vibe, my choice of words but the appearance box is absent but intrigue loves a party and is ready for a night out.

[Lusciousphilippa28]

You're a thinker, I like that... why not take a deep dive and be spontaneous tonight😆

[ThinkFitness23]

Spontaneous?

Elaborate away…

[RavVid]

I think it is true 90% of men have difficulty in recognizing female interest in them. You don't overtly stare at our crotch the way way we stare at your crotch and tits. Flirting is intrinsically deniable and by corollary confusing.

Plus every woman seems to have her own individual standard.

As a for instance a girl reached out and stroked my finger recently after I made a complimentary remark on her phone art photography. It was a sex electric, erection generating, light touch that made my thought turn to how good her light touch would feel elsewhere (yes exactly where are thinking of). Is that a skill she had cultivated or was she unaware of how sexual it was?

Now she was much younger than I, so I am thinking was that very deliberate or being friendly or professionally being a charming waitress. Maybe she likes men to be older? Unfortunately she was sacked the next day at the cafe so I didn't get to explore.

On the other a woman saying hello and smiling is a concrete act we can hang a hat on.

I used to have gal pal wing man who would help interpret for me. I miss her.

[johnathon00]

It's difficult to say whether this statement is true without more context. The percentage of men who think that friendly behavior from women is "flirting" may vary depending on a number of factors, such as cultural background and individual experiences. Additionally, the definition of "flirting" can be somewhat subjective, so what one person might interpret as flirting, another might interpret as simply being friendly.

In general, the term "flirting" is used to describe behavior that is intended to indicate interest in a romantic or sexual relationship. This can include things like making eye contact, smiling, laughing, and paying compliments. However, it's important to remember that not all friendly behavior is flirting, and that it's possible for people to be friendly without any romantic or sexual intent.

It is also worth noting that some research has found that men are more likely to misinterpret friendly behavior from women as flirting than women are, this is because in some societies, the women tend to be more polite and friendly in nature, leading to the possibility of misinterpretation. But these are based on studies and not necessarily the case for everyone.

So, it would be unwise to generalize that all men think friendly behavior of women is flirting but also not entirely false that some men might think that way based on their past experiences or cultural influences.

[Datboi65]

How did you come up with such a bogus number? 90%?

You can tell the difference between friendly behavior and flirting. I live in a privately owned dorm and everyone is friendly. Sometimes when I'm carrying heavy stuff and my key card is on my pocket, a random girl will open the front gate with her key card with a smile. Is she flirting? Of course not, she's just being nice.

Flirting is when a woman keeps twirling her hair and being touchy-feely/looking for random excuses to text you or spend time around you. That's flirting.

Do not assume that guys are dumb and lack social cues, because I see a lot of questions from girls on random online forums like "does he like me"? and "will he text me back"? that basically shows that even women cannot distinguish between friendly behavior and flirting.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Men that are flooded with determination will not catch a subtle hint and just fuck off. You could fart in their direction or even vomit and they'll be thinking you obviously like them... are in love with them and you just don't realize it yet.

Most of the psycho situations I've seen usually has a chick that's just trying to be nice and not hurt any feelings. Don't get me wrong, I've been on the shit end of the stick when a girl has done it to me... it's fucking psycho as all fuck. It's like "no" isn't the right answer at all.

[-Mad-]

I agree and thankfully I’m not one of them.

You can’t imagine how many friends of mine think that a girl is flirting with me when she’s just being normally nice.

Thats why people we should always avoid unprofessional situations with the opposite sex, Also a lot of girls think a guys are flirting with me when they are not so thats why I stand with my statement that girls and guys can never be true friends with sexual tension always being around.

If you put to opposite magnets 🧲 side to side they will always stick (fuck)

[joeldalton]

It's in our best interest to think you are flirting.

• If you are flirting and we don't think you're flirting, then we risk losing out on a relationship with you
• If you are flirting and we think you're flirting, then we have a chance of a relationship.
• If you are not flirting and we don't think you're flirting, we don't have a chance at a romantic relationship with you.
• If you are not flirting and we think you're flirting, we don't have a chance at a relationship with you

All but one results in no relationship. So there's no benefit to not thinking you're flirting.

[Heolurt]

I don't flirt, I don't know how to or what it is but I know touching is generally seen as flirting or at least it gives guys the sort of feeling that the girl likes him.

I've always heard that if a female touches your arm, shoulder or lower back it means she's attracted to you but I have been touched by females in such places and I found out all it means is "she needs something", "she's just being friendly" or "she didn't realize she was doing it and she stops"

So if females want guys to not see things as flirting, they should stop doing the things that give off that impression.

[Anonymous]

The question is why do women want to be friendly with men? I keep hearing and reading women and girls bash guys and men today. It’s gotten so pathetic now that young women are telling guys and men if you want to talk to me pay for my OnlyFans and pay me for every message sent. I hope those types of females get screwed in the future and I don’t mean in a good way. Women and girls say males don’t offer anything…Ok then why talk to us, if you want to be independent and think men and guys don’t do anything then keep those same vibes and don’t chat with guys or men, strictly chat with women. Problem solved.

[Anonymous]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at questions like this. I've seen so many of them, but I've seen just as many from women who are frustrated that men are "dense" and don't pick up on their hints and cues.

And here is the core problem: the ubiquitous stereotype of women expecting men to read their minds is actually true. They drop subtle hints and expect men to understand their intentions. Most women are incapable of being straightforward, and as a result men are left to guess what it is a woman wants. And if we guess wrong, we are either "dense", or "making assumptions". It is essentially a no-win situation for us because we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

For most guys, the safest thing to do if err on the side of caution and assume she is just being friendly, knowing damned well there is a good chance the woman is sitting there thinking "you idiot, I am flirting with you and you're too dumb to even realize it".

[Opinion Owner]

the safest thing to do is* err on the side of caution

[HuskyJ]

It is because it is illegal for prostitutea to solicit, strangely enough. They exist prerfy much evwrywhere, they expect money. for sex which itself may be legal, but they are only allowed to proposition one person and not multiple men, and since those girls effectively set the tone of the dating and male/female dynamics, we have the shitstorm of spolied brat girls abusing the same men who struggle on their own to keep the industrialised white countries on the global top of quality of living. The females simply expect that as a given, not willing to help nor to say even a friendl ly 'thank you mate' and to try and help matchmake or to at least pull their own weight in that industrial world quality of living goveenance labour problem.
Almost all just scream 'foul" without paying any attention to the fact they are trying to capsize or sink the boat they/we are all on. It is horryfying.

[Opinion Owner]

@HuskyJ Agreed, and it is the self importance and entitlement of today's women that is driving this.

[HuskyJ]

They copy the behaviour of professional call girls/hookers at their own (and our civilisational) peril.

[Purpleronnie]

Friendly behavior being construed as flirting , well that’s a stretch in my mind but then again fitting needs to be fairly blatant for me to pick up or act upon it. My normal mode is friendly so when women are friendly back it’s just norm I think. 90% seems too high , I believe some guys would want to perceive this behavior but they would be fooling themselves

[Splithead]

90% of men that you are friendly towards.

Most men dont want to waste a shot.

So it makes sense to see each green light as flirting so as to maximize and never miss the actual flirting.

In truth though the funny thing is that if you think she's flirting and you play cool, and she really was flirting, she'll flirt harder.

So you are seeig that 90% of men you tslk to wouldn't want to risk the chance that you were flirting and they didn't pick up on it.

[Paul_in_Indy]

Pretty much. Then left onto any positive attention. We don’t think that women will notice us. We don’t think they’ll like us if they do. So, if we get any positive reinforcement it’s amazing.

It may seem to you that you just smiled and said something kite. For us, the music swelled, the camera zoomed in, your hair tossed in slow motion…

[Summeroflove]

Not all men are the same. Sure men jump to the wrong conclusion. There is also men who can’t tell when a woman’s flirting.

This depends totally on the woman. Usually I just take it as she’s being firefly especially if she’s got a ring on.

[kramchancel]

There are women though that give mix signals. It gets frustrating.

[Summeroflove]

@kramchancel there is and women like that some don’t realize they’re doing it. They’re confused themselves. Others just are playing games and are better to just avoid

[Lionman95]

I would say maybe in terms of guys in general. Personally for me it´s quite the opposite I kind of never expect that a woman is actually flirting with me and I presume she´s just friendly since most of female colleagues are taken or married.

I have actually more of a problem to figur out a flirt attempt of a woman.

[Stoner710]

not really, unfortunately a lot of men are obviously to women flirting. so when women are being flirtatious so when women are being flirtatious we think there just being nice and women are being nice a lot of men take it to mean there interested. if a miscommunication or a misread of the situation and women's intentions.

[Catarine]

From my experience it is usually like that. I am a very nice person. If I'm nice with men they take it as flirty. Even when I tell them I'm not interested they don't get it. Some guys I know told me that when women laugh (I sometimes do that because I'm uncomfortable and it can be a coping mechanism) some men take that as though I don't mean it. But not all men and women are the same