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And women with that argument about how men make them feel uncomfortable are usually the same women who check out guys at the gym in much the same way, or come on here asking how to approach guys they like at the gym... Who are there trying to work out.
Just another double standard where women need their special places that exclude men, yet don't think men should have the same places away from women or that men don't get oogled over by women... Or if we do, we all like it.
If that's the case then all women must like it too. See how that works?
Gyms are a place where everybody can pay to join up to use it with the rest of the paying public, male or female.
If you're uncomfortable working out in a place that others are allowed to use at the same time, regardless of their gender, then maybe you should work out at home where nobody can see you.
Excluding genders because that opposing gender finds the opposite attractive (go figure) and may look at you, isn't the way to go.
Having male only or female only gyms isn't going to fix anything because they you have to account for gay and lesbian people checking you out. Now if that also makes you uncomfortable, then what? Have even more exclusive gyms for the straight males, the straight females and now have gyms for the gay males and lesbian females?
Oh no... There's a transgender person... Now what?
People need to just suck it up. There's worse things out there to worry about than someone glancing at your ass in spandex.
Maybe wear some baggy jogging pants or something, I don't know.
Wjen you wear skin tight outfits that purposely show off your body, I'm not about to even claim people are asking for people to stare, but seriously... Its biology. Guys are going to notice a tight ass in spandex and girls are going to notice guys in much the same way. It's kind of hard not to notice.
Deny all anybody wants, you're only fooling yourself.
If someone is constantly staring at you and giving you creepy looks, you have every right to contact the employees and report the situation. If they do nothing about it, then end your membership and go somewhere else.
Eventually they will realise that they're losing business as more and more people leave while they defend the one creep screwing everything up for everyone else.
Well... look, I’m sensitive to the idea that some women feel very uncomfortable working out around men. I know it’s all I can do to not stare at a hot chick doing squats or something, lmao. I mean, I manage, but it’s a struggle, just on a biological level, and I consider myself a pretty decent guy, so I’m sure the less decent guys can be out of control at times.
That said, don’t they have women-only gyms? It seems like if you wish to segregate yourself, the option already exists. Also, when are these hours going to be? I know I have a very tight window of time when I can work out most days... what if that window is now during “women’s hours?” Do I have to sign up to a whole different gym now? Or what if there’s a woman who can’t come during that time but wants to? That seems problematic.
I don’t know, the thing is, life isn’t perfect and you can’t just tailor it to your liking. You have grow to be resilient and not let certain things bother you. You can’t really control the behavior of others, you can only control your own reactions to it. So if you want to have women’s gyms for women who prefer to workout like that, great, but when you start closing the doors on dudes who might just want to go in and get in a workout, and aren’t there to ogle women, that seems kind of unfair. The other point to consider is that men may feel uncomfortable working out around women. I remember being a young guy in the gym, just getting started, and I’d hate working out in front of attractive women, because I wasn’t in my best shape and I didn’t lift very heavy weight, so that made me self-conscious. I see young guys in the gym now, barely benching the bar and a couple 5 lb weights, and they’re pushing it up all uneven, and it just looks goofy. I’m not clowning, I was that guy once too, but I’m saying, he counts as a man too, and maybe he’d like HIS own area or time slot to work out, free of any supposed judgement he might feel from the opposite sex.
Just too many variables involved for me to really support segregation on a time window basis, really.
I agree, i met my first ass hole at the gym the other day. Myself and another guy approached the resistance band section. There are four. I basically said to the guy he coukd use one and id move to the next, a guy said, "I'm using this one". So i moved along, anyways when i approached the second one he basically shouted at me, "im using these!" and pointed to two, so i said "alright, thank you jeez!" everyone else makes do with one. He pissed me off as after that he only used one. Then started grunting and puffing pulling this stupid muscle man face in the mirror. Most people i see try to get on he was a dick. There was also a guy the week prior he would use the ab rolling thing, he stunk and he kept making these grunting sex noises. As i was at the end of my workout, i moved and stretched away from him. I couldn't help but feel these simply happened because they were surrounded by two women. Either way i didn't appreciate it and it would be nice to have a session for women only. Even if it's a morning an afternoon/evening but statistically women use gyms less
Umm. No. They didn’t happen because you are a woman. Wtf. 🤣.
You aren’t the center of their worlds. You are supposed to breath during exercise. That includes gasping for air and exhaling loudly and rapidly if you need more oxygen mid lift. Guys have bigger muscles they need to feed with 02. Means they need more air than women do for the same exercise. Get over it.
@Robertcw i dont see every man making those kind of noises and some of them are doing some serious weight lifting, its only people that are arrogant, like to be centre of attention and believe asserting male dominance is by behaving like a dick that do that. In the gym i go I've only seen two men like this. And i have gone at various times. Which is why im not really pushing this. But as im not a man i cannot say what's required to keep your body functioning. It just seems weird that these two men where the only ones doing so.
I’m talking to you and @belarus. Men don’t grunt and huff to impress women in gyms.
Try going to a Gold’s Gym sometime where it’s usually men only — and usually very jacked men — and they’re all grunting, shouting and slamming shit. No women for miles and they still breath loudly, scream and drop heavy weights that shake the floor.
You’re theories just aren’t true.
I fully endorse that option and would be the first one to use it extensively.
The reason why I hesitate to go to the gym is to be harassed by guys all the time. There has not been one single day where some did not have the need to address you and start chatting even though they see you are busy, don't smile in return, have your earbuds on and a number of other signs that clearly say "buzz off" or "not interested"
Do (some) guys really think that the girls at the gym solely go there to be hit on or need to be picked up? Is it that their levels of testosterone is so high because they see girls in their outfits?
I don't know what it is but what I know is that it can be a real plague to be left alone.
It is definitely something that girls need for their own safety.
Safety? It doesn't sound like your in danger. Women ownly hours is sexist because they expect guys not to work out during times that might be ideal for them and they still expect guys to pay the same for less service. The same goes for women ownly areas. If women want that they need to pay for it. Girls stair at me when I work out sometimes and a don't care. If anyone were to approach me and I didn't want them to I'd just say I'm busy and keep going. It just seems like an over reaction to a small thing.
Men are socialized to pursue women. As long as the guy leaves you alone after he tells you "No I'm not interested" why is it a big deal?
" Is it that their levels of testosterone is so high because they see girls in their outfits?"
Pretty much, if we see a hot girl, we have been socialized to pursue her. Men that don't take that risk just end up becoming lonely bitter incels.
@nathanp97 some guys are like kids. You keep telling them something but no, they come back over and over again and bother girls with their pick-up attempts. Why is it so difficult to understand that a no means NO, not yes, perhaps or anything in between.
And then the worse is, and that is why I said being in danger, that they wait outside the gym and then harass you there. How can I feel safe at night with some guys that obviously want to start something.
Why do girls always have to fear to be abused? It is a permanent combat and I start to view guys as a menace more than anything else. No wonder there is so much resentment against them.
The gym is only one place out of all of them where girls feel insecure.
@DWD94 check my reply to @nathanp97.
It is not normal that we have to fight for in every single situation of our lives against harassment.
If you guys have been conditioned by your parents or social environment to pursue girls, then I would say that there is something wrong with this conditioning and that it is about time to change the entire male social education and perception of the values of girls to see them as something else than just a walking vagina and tits that you must conquer.
I rather have to face 1 million incels than 1 person that does not know how to behave with girls and think of them solely as preys for their sexual satisfaction.
Did you think about trying another gym; some just have different cultures and many people (M & F) switch gyms because they don't like the atmosphere.
There are many guys in a gym, so you are pretty safe from bad things happening you are just as likely to be attacked anywhere else. Guys are just as insecure and girls stair at guys too. Some guys take it as a women playing hard to get because some women do that.
Guys are just as likely to be physically assaulted but are more likely to receive more violent assaults. the difference is it is never talked about when it is men.
Women complain when guys approach them and complain when they don't. Explain how people get into relationships, when girls refuse to approach men and men aren't allowed to approach women anymore.
@nathanp97 You go to dedicated places for that where guys/girls go to for that purpose and that would be pick-up bars, brothels (where allowed), single's bars, singles' cruises, clubs and dancings.
People going there usually want to mingle and be sexual but certainly not in a gym, restaurant, while jogging, in a daycare or elsewhere where they don't have to expect to be the subject of sexual assaults 24/7
@nathanp97 You see, that is exactly my point.
I leave from my house, I walk to the bus stop, I take the subway, I walk to my college, I eat my lunch, I do research at the library, I walk to the subways station, I take the bus, I walk home. That is my daily routine 5 days a week.
I leave it up to you to tell me how many times I am harassed, cat called and being the subject of other sexual approaches in a day. And then, I have not even been at the gym yet.
Honestly, it is a real plague for a girl to walk the streets and to attempt to live a life in peace. I don't know how you would react to this oversexualization of girls everywhere.
@nathanp97 I have my doubts that there are girls that are not being plagued by guys trying to pick them up.
And that is why I said that it would be nice to have one single place where it is possible to relax, just for one hour without having to look around and worry about creeps and pervs.
But apparently, even that seems to be a problem for a number of guys.
"If you guys have been conditioned by your parents or social environment to pursue girls, then I would say that there is something wrong with this conditioning and that it is about time to change the entire male social education and perception of the values of girls to see them as something else than just a walking vagina and tits that you must conquer."
It's not gonna end anytime soon. Plus men are shamed if we aren't going out and having sex and that's not gonna change soon either. You just have a naive idealistic view of the world talking about how "I shouldn't have to do x y or z".
there's lots of things men shouldn't have to do either. Men shouldn't have to be treated as disposable utilities by big brother government, nor should we have to pay child support for our baby mom's bastard child because she was too stupid to get an abortion or put it up for adoption (especially if we took all the necessary precautions during sex to make sure she wouldn't get pregnant). Men shouldn't have to do lots of things but we still have to because its the reality of what the current situation is. I'm not blinded by idealism and thinking "Well life shouldn't be like this".
Life isn't fair. If men gotta deal with it, so do you.
You're complaining about men approaching yet if men didn't approach women, no men would end up getting dates. I wouldn't have lost my virginity if I had just decided to sit on the sidelines and not approach women.
Men are the ones expected to approach, and its women that expect men to approach them. Dont get mad at men when its your gender that has these expectations for men.
If you want to be safe you can workout with groups of other girls.
"You go to dedicated places for that where guys/girls go to for that purpose and that would be pick-up bars, brothels (where allowed), single's bars, singles' cruises, clubs and dancings."
Even clubs and shit, women bitch about getting hit on. Women just complain too much.
And as far as dating apps go, dating apps are nice. But men still have to do all the leg-work. I dont think women realize that dating for men is a full-time job. Women can usually just create a tinder then go about their day and get 100 messages the next day.
For guys, we have to go on several dating apps, and spend a good half hour to an hour swiping. I'd pretty much make a message saying "Hi my name is (insert name)" then copy and paste the message and send it to 100+ women". Only downside about online dating apps is that the women on those dating apps already get a shit ton of messages.
@DWD94 I guess there is no ideal solution. Just wait another few years when we are all back to the cave age because some moron pressed the red button.
You will be able to use your club and hit the girls on the head. Ahhh, the good old days!
Check this movie. It explains the procedure in case you don't know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euIu7xN694s
I'm not saying I wanna go back to "The good old dates", I'm just saying women bitch and complain too much, that's all.
Either get over the fact that wanting to be pursued means occasionally dealing with unwanted attention or start telling other women to ask men out and quit demanding men do all the legwork.
You can't simultaneously demand men pursue you while demanding they leave you alone.
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If guys are breaking a law about assault (threat) or battery (attack), they should be charged.
Concept of all this separate garbage is that - garbage.
We learned to work and play together in kindergarten. Today's "enlightened entitled-ists" show they have a social focus of four year olds.
Grow up!
Are we actually to the point where it has become necessary to dictate "gender only" or "no [insert gender here]" hours? Because if that's the case, we should take this reasoning to its logical conclusion and A) implement female-only gyms and B) cut the bullsh*t and just straight-up say "no men allowed". It's illegal on the grounds of "gender discrimination", sure, but apparently deciding whether or not to not allow men to be certain places at certain times ISN'T? I mean, it only makes sense to do these things, instead of demanding people not be in certain areas of certain buildings, due to creating an "uncomfortable environment". Hell, while we're at it, should we bring back race segregation and only have white people be here and black people be there?
My point is, where do we draw the line? It seems the boundary between what is "obvious" and "not obvious" has become so fuzzy that we've decided to use "hostility" as the "acceptability benchmark" in deciding the optimal course of action. If we keep this up, we'll use this "uncomfortable environment" as the threshold of acceptability everywhere... and I suppose women will be deigned the arbiters of what goes and what doesn't, right? After all, they are also the arbiters of dating, workplace responsible-ness, commerce, law--just about everything, really. They speak/complain, society responds. I'm not even trying to be a misogynist (because that is going to be some or most people's response to this line of thinking), these are just readily-observable observations--at least, as far as the Post-#MeToo world is concerned.
Dressing rooms are different and both genders have their own. So if most women are fine without why do I have to pay the same to use less when it ownly helps a small minority of people. Seems like a waste. Why dont just get women who want to use that room to pay more, or better yet work out at home.
Everyone does have a fear and problem to deal with and they should deal with and we shouldn't aid in these feelings by segregating them allowing them to keep these feeling. To get over a fear you actually have to face it.
I haven't given you any facts? Neither have you😂. Here's a fact: sexism is the prejudice or discrimination based on sex. Having a women ownly section meets that criteria. Do you support sexist discrimination?
Women can use power rooms too, and many do. Get over the fact that I'm paying the same for less service, which is sexist. Humm, perhaps we should tell feminists to just get over it😂. If women want to use a room just for them they should have to pay more for it. Your not a 3d thinker because you have an inability to recognize sexism against men.
People need to solve their own problems we can't keep babying them and waste money on them
Female only gym hours is kinda hard without men feeling butthurt
Female only gym is honestly the best thing ever though. I go to one, it's great to be able to work out without stares when you are doing awkward positions that are often a bit sexual if you see it that way. My female gym closed due to repairs and I had to go to a coed gym, the guys make really nasty remarks, and their huge body masses scare me tbh.
But one thing I did like about the co-ed gym, the guys workout pretty seriously and give me the competitive atmosphere that I like. The all girls gym can be a bit annoying because most girls don't do full body workouts but focus on workouts to make their body look "nicer" but not necessarily stronger.
Another thing that gets me annoyed is that's girls are on their phone more at all girl gyms, and sometimes hog the machines because of it.
But, I really don't like the grunting and the machine bashing at regular gyms... so I'll put up with my female friends
You should see the Clarke Gym in Cooperstown NY. It's coed but on weekdays it's almost exclusively pretentious yuppy housewives who not only are constantly on their phones with the speaker on, but the obnoxious conversations are enough to make me puke! "Should I get the Beemer or the Volvo" BAARRRRFF!
Omg ahahah, id lose my shit... find it, and throw it at them
Gosh I hate when females do that, go do Pilates or go to the spa or something! The gym is for people who want to sweat and take modest breaks in between reps!
If guys staring is the case for girls only hours then machine hogging is the case for guys only hours.
Hey! Dun stick us all with the annoying machine hoggers :(
Have some mercy ☹️
Also, some guys hog the machines too 🙄 just saying, they just don't do it to talk to their SO, or their boys lol
And some girls stare awkwardly to, I meant as a general rule.
You mean butthurt like in the same way women get butt hurt about EVER SINGLE THING that men have that they don't... you mean like that?
Yeah, we are so butthurt over balls, dicks and bromance... it kills us slowly inside each day.
Fyi. If you are thinking of equal pay... that's not being butthurt, that's just being modern
My gym does have an only women section.
I use it sometimes. I dont think the hour thing is fair. Not fair to ask one gender to plan their lives around others to feel comfortable. Plenty of gyms have women-only sections.
As an avid gym goer.
I can attest to A LOT. Sometimes guys literally take the weight sections and it like dude...
I hit the gym at 5 am. so I dont deal with most of that anymore. But as far as judging and stuff I think guys judge less than women do in my opinion. I heard some bitches say some nasty stuff about fat women/women who workout in make u etc... Just uncalled extra BS.
But that hour thing is asking for way too much. Guys have lives and other things to do too. I do not think running from each other is somehow going to make anything better. I mean there are perverts everywhere and anywhere.
@nathanp97
ACTUALLY, if it makes you" feel" better It just has two treadmills and those hydraulics machines. a weight bench and dumbells. It isn't glamorous like the rest of the gym lol it doesn't have special classes or anything it just small space. Many women go there to "stretch mostly". and we have a lot of women senior citizens in our area. How can you be against the bigger picture? It not a stab at anyone or favoritism. Anyone with a mother sister wife best girlfriends etc. Can clearly understand.
We also have kids section and a ton of offices for personal trainers on differnt things.
Most only women sections are not "special made" considering it not a full-blown gym. But whatever. I pay taxes and though I may not like where ALL my money goes too. I can accept an offer even more of an understanding of why we have to look out for each other even if it seems "small" to us it helpful to others?
Eh, much better attitude in my opinion. and it is Even a male own gym (One of the nicest dude you will come across next to my dad) and none of the guys have ever walked around lacking.
Most gyms I also do notice "low key"do have "male" sections One whole room created with the heaviest and biggest of weights.
The gym I go to has a fairly decent women's section apparently, and it has better easy bars. They aren't curved.
So because women are scared to work out with men I have to pay the same to have access to less equipment, and have women come over and steel equipment from the general side and often they dont even bring it back? That isn't fair. If I had a daughter I'd teach her how not to be so sensitive. It isn't like they are in any Increased risk. Most gyms dont allow kids, so that's a strange gym. My gym has a few women specific mechines in them according to my mom. Look out for what? Women's feelings? If you are to scared to step into a gym because of men then you have bigger problems you need to deal with.
@nathanp97
we have a lot of buildings connected. Like dance classes for kids. Do you think it right we have dressing rooms for men and women too are you against women sports and Men sports? -_-separate...
Most women who go to the gym are comfortable and have no problem working out anywhere. Yes, people have problems. New Flash: everyone has a problem and fear to battle somewhere. But every problem requires steps. and if that small damn room helps someone. So be it. It isn't a revolutionary war. It the gym, not your house.
You haven't given me one shred of "facts" of how this isn't fair? Other than your personal BS. The time thing I CAN CLEARLY see how that is completely utter BS and not fair and downright uncalled for. no one should tell anyone when to go to the gym. I did not draw that from emotions. It just based on facts and logic. Yes, some women are afraid and timid with males :fact: Why is that? who knows. Everyone has a past and story dude. And another fact one should be able to grasp is:
Every location of an area has different demographics of people :fact: So it only normal for those places to cater more to what around in the area. It a huge gym with a bunch of things going on.
My gym motto is "one for all" And the money they make shows because of my gym never has broken equipment. There a huge power room for the dudes who really love to lift and are training for contests. They hit a lot of issues on the nail and "compromise" to help all.
I have no clue why this seems "unfair". And I am a 3d thinker, Any human with concept skills can grasp the simplicity of this. Your view is simply based on your beliefs and feelings. Nothing that somehow "hurting" your progress in life or in the gym Even better just take your own advice on "getting over it?" It may help.
That is dumb. I don't recall guys starring at me every time i do. something. Even if they stare, they could do that anywhere else. Should we also forbid men to get outside at certain hours? Also, if you wear leggins and a sports bra and expect men not to take a look then it is more on you. Why would you dress like that and expect people not to take a look at you. I am. not advocating for rape, but looking is something else. If a hot shirtless guy is in front of you it is hard not to take a look.
And why does a stare bother you so much? As long as it doesn't become creepy you should rather take it as a compliment. Someone wouldn't stare unless they think you are preety or lyou look odd.
Maybe they don't stare at you because you aren't attractive to them. But I've had guys stop and stare at me while I'm doing squats or lunges. Once or twice is flattering, but when it's consistent, it's annoying. Most people are at the gym for 2 reasons: To maintain their look or improve it. I'm someone who is there to improve, and I do not feel comfortable being stared at. It's rude especially if the woman is a sexual assault survivor. They may not like that behavior.
Whoah so. modest are you... No, they don't stare because they are civilised and know not to be perverted creeps. They don't stare at any girl, they only look a bit and mind their own business. That is normal, staring at someone's butt when they can clearly see you do is not. How do you know you are more attractive than me? Who do you think you are? Aphrodite?
No, they don't stare at you because you are not something they want to stare at. Women get stared at by men all the time, even when they don't notice. I've witnessed men staring at women before at the gym. Just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happy.
I also never said I was more attractive than you. What I said is maybe they don't stare at you because you are not attractive to them.
You don't speak for everyone though. I know plenty of people who do not like being stared at. I'm one of them, but that's due to my Bipolar and anxiety disorder as I get paranoid sometimes on bad days. But there are people I know who will not go to certain places because they don't like being stared at. The gym just happens to one of them.
Girl, you implied you are more attractive than me by saying that guys look at you and not at me. In reality you may not be even close, so don't be arrogant ove rthe internet just because some creepy ass dudes stare at your ass in the gym. Guys may look at mme but they don't stare most of the time because anyone decent knows that starring, especially is at someone's ass is creepy and makes you look like a pervert. What you said is rude as hell. And I assure you i am something most guys want to look at, I do get plenty of attention just not creepy attention you think is good.
No guy will stare at your ass unless he is a pervert. The rest will just take a quick look and not be obvious. A guy who is into you will stare at you but not just your ass and he won't be creepy about it. Just occasional stares.
You clearly don't make the difference between a guy checking your ass and making sure you don't see that and a guy being a creepy pervert.
They've got this at loads of places where I live but they've got mens and womens slots. Most of the people that go to them are religious, my area has loads of Jewish and Muslim who go there. Some non religious women go because they don't want creepy guys attention, some feel embarrassed to do stuff in front of guys (look how some are even embarrassed to simply eat in front of a guy) but I don't know any non religious men that I can think of that go.
It's usually out of peak hours, so nobody really cares, there's the whole rest of the day.
Omfg what prissy ass bitches.
Men have been staring at us since the fucking big bang.
Whats next, women only resturant time or working time?
Oooh my boss looked at my ass because Im pretty, Im sooo upset.
Bitchy ass bitches.
It creates a world that restricts men from being men. Men are visual, they aren't going to fucking maul us because our butts look good in a squat.
And these bitches complain about equality lol
How the fuck is letting men stare and sexualise us equality? Just because men are visual, doesn’t mean they need to make girls uncomfortable. They’re not walking porn.
@nathanp97 It’s not our problem. Blantant staring is creepy and uncomfortable.
Ahah, because upper class white women have values, and girls with their asses hanging out and cleavage are asking for attention so why would they complain?
Men and women may stare at each other if they think they're attractive. Surprise, a lot of people think working out is kinda attractive. Most people who ho to the gym usually mind their own business. But if you see a guy staring at you, and you feel uncomfortable, it's not their "problem" for looking at you. It shouldn't be anyone's problem, just ignore it or move somewhere else.
Omfg a real decent woman thank you for existing please stay beautiful and ignore these stupid barely out of puberty girls.
@Harmseygrace
Honestly how do you stop someone from looking young lady?
Gouge their eyes out?
Women stare at men at the gym, and thats okay?
Its being really petty honestly
I’m 16. I don’t appreciate being stared at, especially when it’s creepy old men.
@nathanp97 The difference is I’m not checking them out.
@virginbish
Upper class white women in sports bras and tight yoga pants. Dont forget your sophisticated white women sported corsets to show off all their cleavage and the famous high fashion peek a boo gowns that require titty tape to keep the smallest breeze from exposing all your breasts.
The booty shorts were made famous by your "upper class" hill billy sisters, and who can forget the pin up and french hot pants your, upper class women adorned themselves with lol.
Dont make white girls look stupid.
My "sophisticated" white friends are the ones telling me which sports bras make my tits look good.
They have no problem posting their white asses all over instagram to show off how much hitting the gym has made their butts finally big.
Sooo sophisticated you thirsty white girls are - copying all the monorities around you to feel sexy and wanted.
🤘
@nathanp97 it’s obvious when someone’s checking you out.
@dancing_in_nebulas
You sound like a dumbfuck. It isn’t just white women. Don’t generalise races, you just sound like an ignorant fuck.
@Harmseygrace
Staring is uncomfortable in general, honestly it happens everywhere. Women need to be more bold and tell that particular man to stop, not rally to enforce a very sexist regulation for a public gym.
If guys banned women from the gym for a man hour, that gym would be sued.
Its not fair that women get to look at men as they please, which does make men uncomfortable as well, but cry like babies if a man looks.
If men scare you that much for just looking, you need counseling honestly
@nathannp97 we have eyes at the back of our asses.
@harmseygrace, she's responding to my comment, which I only said because I was responding to an idiot saying that only upper class white girls complain.
I totally agree with you, her arguments are also very weird and idiotic. I bet you she's a guy
@Harmseygrace
Little girl, please read your own threads before replying, and also before calling someone dumb.
Virginbish made a racial remark about upper class white women, thats a response to her very off topic point, obviously not to you -
It doesn't matter what race or wealth class is addressing a womans hour - point is, it is sexist against men.
I didn't "make" a racial remark. I replied to someone's comment... read the thread polease 🙄
Oh, haha sorry about that. It’s not sexist against men. That’s bullshit.
@Harmseygrace
And FYI men aren't brainless animals drooling over every girl they see.
Thats socially brainwashed bullshit third wave feminism taught us, so we could stay scared of men and protagonize their sexist views.
Its really silly that woman get upset over one or two guys checking you out. Believe me, you are not so stunningly gorgeous that everyone of them just creeps on you.
Its really arrogant and prissy.
Or if its a guy you find attractive, then its suddenly not creepy and okay?
there's just not enough faces to palm..
Bottom line: just ignore them. Men and women often stare at each other. Ain't the end of the world. I'm sure you can carry on with your workout. Why should we segregate?
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Its definitely sexist. Like 24 hr Fitness, is made so anyone can workout anytime.
Imagine you only have an hour before work to go, but they tell you that its man's hour, so you can't workout.
Though you pay about 200.00 a year to do so.
Its not fair.
On the flip side, if men felt the gym is too dangerous with so many guys lifting heavy, and insisted women not workout during man hour, how objectified do you feel, knowing that a group of men see you as being more fragile, and therefore discriminate against you, based on something outside of your control?
Men are the sexual protagonists of our species, and most others. Even testosterone makes them feel captivated by us and think of breeding subconciously.
Whats creepy about biology?
Its okay for men to have to get that we have periods, which they could easily say is a biohazard, since women do sometimes bleed through our tampons, pads and clothes lol
What if one of is has aids and bleeds onto a weight lifting bench?
Thats why this is sexist.
Its basically discriminating against men, for being men 😞
@virginbish Like I said, I don't care about upper-class white women crying tears about 'muh objectification'.
This is the same type of attitude many queens had back in the middle ages in which they would demand peasants would avert their eyes anytime the queen walked by and/or was in their presence. Its a stupid entitled princess type of mentality and is evidence that they never actually had any real problems in their life.
Also dont act like you're any special. I check out guys at the gym too, a lot.
This is exactly why I made my comment and I am very much for women going to their female only places , sick of the hostile attitudes ( from feminist brainwashing ) , and vacant social media junkies getting in the fucking way. Once my knee is fixed , back to Muay Thai / Lethwei again , none of this crap there... and I'm taking my daughter.. she can kick !! You are smart , and see through this feminist shite !!
@dancing_in_nebulas None of that even made sense or had anything to do with what I was talking about. And I agree, they shouldn't have women only hours. Just a womens only area like at the gym my mum works at. A look for a few seconds is fine, but when they start blatantly staring its uncomfortable for anyone. I think you got confused with what I was saying.
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I think it would be better to just have female only gyms since the hours don’t interfere with men’s schedule. I definitely understand why some women are uncomfortable and would appreciate female only hours though. I’ve been going to the gym since I was in elementary school and even then I was constantly stared at even when my dad was around.
It's an idea from woman who have the occasional bad experience with a weirdo at gym and then decry all gyms as predatory environments where they don't feel safe. Honestly, from all these comments one thing is very clear. Far too many people are insecure and think everyone is watching them when they're most likely not. Just focus on your workout and don't let it bother you.
The funny thing is aside from working out many women actually go to gyms because they know they'll have a chance of meeting a strong, fit and healthy guy who is hard working and has goals.
We got it here and personally it feels better to do then
I can say been in a few gyms where guys try to hit on me or stare on body parts while I work out that really bothers
I do how ever prefer to practice out doors then in a closed gym so did not go much
And as read the comments
Not against a male only gym by all means if males are bothered
And I go to train, not for what ever other reason you think I go, and training hard not only little to get attention that honestly sounds made up with gym costs
Well yea its there in a lot of good gyms but i don't agree to it tbh
First it could be problem to some guys to adjust their routine when they should be free to choose their working out time
2nd guys do stare its real and no denying as it sometimes gets very annoying as well but for me personally i ignore them or sometimes i just get cheeky and would give them smile and do some teasing and mostly they would feel embarrassed and would look away apart from some who i just ignore
Also i feel like if they are looking at me and not other girls it means they are seeing me as more sexier and prettier lol
Fine if men receive a discounted rate for the loss of hours in which women get to have exclusive time and I no longer get to use the gym for.
Correct... guys stare at you while squating too. I notice it too. Me, I just turn to see whether the rack is free on occasion. Zero interest in staring or even talking with anyone while there. In fact, the less eye contact the greater chance no one will try and initiate a conversation with you where thet talk your head off and completely interrupt your workout.
I think that’s a good idea. One of my friends is really into fitness and she will spend hours at the gym. Usually she doesn’t let the guys who hit on her bother her, but she has complained quite a lot about how she just can’t seem to get rid of them. She said certain guys will stare at her for long periods of time and make her feel weird. She’s very into lifting heavy weights and gaining muscle and she does have a boyfriend although they are long distance so she goes to the gym alone. Guys often challenge her or think it’s smart to make comments about her form even though she’s been doing it for a long time and had worked on perfecting her form. Anyways, even tho I don’t go to the gym, the guys are one of the reasons why. I’m scared to go to the gym because I’m already self conscious and I would be afraid of guys either judging me or staring at me.
Dealing with assholes at the gym is something that everyone (gender neutral) has to deal with; it's just part of going to the gym.
Also if they stare at you so what? Guys stare at me all the time when I exercise?
I guess that is true. People who are skinnier or more overweight might feel self conscious. But sometimes it’s nice to have a women’s only hour. Obviously not all the time, but the option is nice to have.
Well there are girls only gyms, but it's not fair to charge men and women the same price but give one more access to the gym.
I mean if they did a women’s only hour, I’d expect there to be a men’s hour as well
@Twalli honestly I don’t even know. I don’t even go to the gym. It just sounded like a cool idea. And my friends have told me they sometimes feel uncomfortable at the gym.
I would say know. What f the female only hours happen to be the best hours for me to work out? So I have wait for the female only hours to be over ( or go be fore they begin). I am busy and there are times that I work 6 days a week. If I am paying for a membership I should be able to go when I please.
Some women say they are uncomfortable if there are men working out in the vicinity. Perhaps. At the same time I could say that I don't want to go to the gym and see some female treat the gym as if it were a meat market and she is looking to get some. I have lost count of the number of times that I have gone to the gym and I have seen these females dressed in booty shorts with their asses hanging out or wearing ultra-tight- spandex pants that out line every curve , nook , and cranny. Not to mention tank-tops that show off their cleavage. These women are not stupid so they know what they are doing. It seems like for a lot of young women the gym has become the new night club.
As former gym staff and member of several , I would approve more of female only gyms , a lot of women seem to think that ALL male gym members are sex crazed perverts , to be fair there are too many that are , but the hostile female glares and snarls when a male merely glances in the direction of a female gym user are uncalled for , I am simply waiting to use a specific area , also too many female users sit there glued to phones , and not working out. I would rather they were not in the way. I have always advised younger guys to NEVER ogle and definitely never ever attempt an approach @ a gym , you will be as welcome as the Ebola virus.
I wouldn't focus so much on what others are doing and focus on your own fitness. Im annoyed when i go swimming and they have kids only or pentioners only hours. Its what buissnesses do. If it annoys you maybe then you should find another gym. I know plenty of men only gyms which is kinda annoying if i give it thought
This is mainly why I go to female only yoga. So I don’t have to deal with guys in gyms.
As a business it seems reasonable to me that they may want to structure so that they maximize opportunities to succeed. The question becomes, do you gain more women customers enough to offset potential losses in your men’s side if the business.
@nathanp97 idc really I’m also fine with men only stuff
Don't know, all the gyms I've gone to never had female hours. Most women don't care if men are there, they just work out anyway. But i don't know, i think it's mostly a self conscience or paranoia thing. They see people working out and worry about not doing it right or not getting in shape like that person when the truth is no one is really staring at you.
Most women are at the gym to seek validation, rather than working out. They purposely do squats in front of men to make them look... smh
@dothejohnwall97 Well were else are they suppose to sqaut? in the parking lot? They are at the gym. Well there you go, you just gave a perfectly good reason for a female only hours at the gym. You won't have reason for saying they only seeking validation and you can't claim it as sexism either.
@dothejohnwall97 If im at the gym squatting and men are there, there's nothing i can do about that. Do you expect women to tell all the men in gym to leave cause she has to do squats so she won't get accused of seeking validation? if you dont stop...
I was there and a girl literally came right in front of my and my girlfriend and did squats... literally 4 inches away from me... if that’s not attention seeking then what is?
@dothejohnwall97 That was one girl. Don't mean all of us doing that just for you. Sometimes squats are just squats. times i've gone to the gym with my fiance I've only done squats in front him and because im just working out. as for that girl, very weird... very cringy.
@dothejohnwall97 True (in most cases).
When I go to the gym I see most of these girls in tight booty shorts , tank tops , all dolled up - for the gym!
@Texaskid1 facts , glad you see it too. They are attention seekers and it’s annoying
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Yeah that sounds like a great idea! That is if men get a time as well. Some women think rather then it being actual. Although there are some men who actually do that I am sure there are some women who do as well. Its not a smart idea for a lot of reasons. One its sexist, two that's time that other people are missing. People work it in their schedules. If why have set times then that might interfer with someone elses time. That's way to much hassle for a public gym. If people have an issue with 'stares' then they should find a better fitting gym that appeals to them or work out at home. No one cares what other people are doing unless they are being noticeable.
Big no if they feel uncomortable and probably for no reason just their perception that's their problem and isn't a reason to do that. Also if there's women hours there must be mans hours and how's that going to be fair when people have different schedules which fits into that woman hours time group. Also discounted prices since you can't charge the full price when we get a reduced amount time in your contract. The major reason though is it's illegal you can't legally offer a memebership for women at a certain time and not because it qualifies as gender discrimination and refusing to offer as service based on a reason involving discrimination is illegal.
When I first started school I had a classmate who was obese and she told me she would exercise during woman only hours cause she felt embarrassed by her body. Most woman don't care about that but some do and if you are insanely beautiful - you could be in danger of sexual assault or rape. I've had two people try to rape me when I was younger - one guy spent 2 years planning my murder and built a torture chamber for me in his basement.
A sexual assault on the scale of rape is pretty rare in the gym.
They could follow you outside the gym. It happened to my cousin when a guy stalked her and she got rid of him by telling him she knew karate.
To each his own. I guess if a girl feels too uncomfortable around men to work out around them it’s a good thing. I’m more bothered that society is slowly going down this slope where men and women are segregating from each other. Surely we can find a way to get along.
Some people don’t want the alternative energy near them during certain times. And personally, I consider working out as an intimate activity.
If guys don’t like it or find it unfair, they should just band together and petition for male only workout spaces.
I understand that many guys just don’t care enough to do all that. But women do. And It’s not hurting anyone, so I don’t see the big deal.
@morena9 That's wonderful to hear. I find young men annoying over here, but I probably was when I was their age too. I'm open minded and not trying to invalidate the statement that was made above. I would just like some evidence for a statement presented as fact rather than opinion. I certainly don't beleive it to be the case though. I think that all populations have a percentage of obnoxious people. It's disappointing to read that opinion. I don't know many Aussie men who are extremely unpleasant.
No that's silly, everyone is entitled to use the gym at anytime they want. Why does everyone want to cause so much segregation?
I think they just want to feel special or something. I mean how do you know a guys even staring at you? I go to the gym a fair bit and well put it this way i’m not that desperate for sexual encounters with girls.
I dont think it's necessary. If they're gonna allow females only hours at the gym then they should allow males only hours at the gym. Some guys dont like being stared at at the gym too.
I dont pay attention im there to release stress negative energy.. if we make eye contact I smile but what gets annoying is when they try and talk to you.. its like if you want to talk to me wait till im about to leave.. tried to do a buddy to work out and I just can't carry a conversation and work out at the same time
The policy itself isn't what annoys me, it's the reason behind it. Guess what, we all get stared at. Doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman. Should lesbians be banned from female only hours because they'll stare? If you really love your privacy, go work out in your own home.
I mean I get the idea.. But why not just make a female only gym or somethin, and not interrupt hours for dudes.. I think society is coddlin women a little too much honestly.. I get some get uncomfortable.. And like I mentioned a women's only gym is don't seem like a problem.. But women ain't babies, and guys ain't straight beast.. LOL..
The thing that pisses me off is the presumption that I want to look at their ugly fat accepted asses and that I would get blocked out for that. Again, I am a rapist for being male, so f their gym and I would quit. They can just turn it female only because I don't give a sht, I have my own private gym anyways. F that gym…
Female only hours is too drastic and would not make sense. Some people only have certain hours that they can gym. I do think female only areas is a must though. For that matter ( for the equality ponies) , we can have a men only area too. I do not mind. But I can relate to not wanting to do certain exercises with men around cause yes, they look and it is not nice.
Then we should get male-only gym time or else it's sexist.
This whole "Female Only" or "Female Safe Space" trend is getting out of hand. What's next? Restaurants? Shopping malls/stores? Men can only walk on one sidewalk so women can have their own? The gym is a public place and has nothing to do with sex or gender.
Only if it didn't interrupt my gym routine (i. e. the hours were outside usual gym hours). Otherwise, id feel neglected by my gym.
The only exception would be if women pay more for that privilege and the discount is passed onto the men's membership costs.
If someone pays for a gym membership they should be able to visit it whenever it's open.
How ever I don't see anything wrong with female only gyms. I'd assume guys are staring at you while squating are doing it for other reasons than they'd do with a female squating.
Some women can't go through a workout without getting some dumb comments. Or they just feel more comfortable around other women.
What makes you think this is for women only? Men have been dealing with this since forever. The fitness revolution started in the 1960's and men and women had gone to gyms since then. Nobody was bothered by these kinds of things until recently, why is that?
No what makes you think women only feel uncomfortable at gyms?
Obviously you think women are bothered more at gyms than men since you believe female only gyms should exist.
I didn't say male only gyms shouldn't exist. And I once asked wheter men would prefer male only gyms but basically everyone said they don't mind women being there and many even said they liked it cause they gave them motivation for their work out. That's why I assumed men don't mind that much. But if they do, I'd support the idea of male only gyms too.
Thats a fairly unrealistic thing to support given the political climate I am in in Europe.
I don't think it's unrealistic at all. If there is a need for it and someone could make money out of them, they'd exist. But even if we are that backwards that we think it's fine to have female only gyms but not male only gyms, the problem is not the existence of female only gyms but the refusal to let men have the same thing.
There is a lack of political representation for this interests, its possible that businesses close because of political pressure.
Yes it is, but I still think most men don't mind since I once asked that question and no one seemed to mind. So I don't think political pressure is the reason for the lack of male only gyms. In my experience men are already pretty secluded in the gym cause barely any women do heavy weight lifting.
Eh. Maybe. Problem is when to do it. I have only a limited time to use the gym per day, and if female only hour happened to fall during that time, then I'd simply have to stop going (And thus stop paying).
Maybe if they allowed guys in who can't see much beyond general shapes more than 5 ft from their face?
Hey, girls at the grocery store make me feel uncomfortable, from now on they can only shop in the early mornings or late at night, okay?
Oh, you mean nobody gives a fuck if a man feels uncomfortable?
Well nevermind then, just keep treating all women like goddesses while we treat men like crap. I'm sure nothing bad will happen.
Bad idea. First, there are not enough females in gyms to be able to fund such an idea through their memberships. 2nd, there are guys that can only go to a gym at certain hours and this would negatively affect them. I think a better option would be to create a section of the gym that is dedicated to females.
I think that women-only hours are a great thing. Especially if you can a find a good time for the women who have children to go.
You just do it a few times per week, so that the women who feel uncomfortable with your male clients can get their workouts in at a healthy frequency.
Men need to find a way to appreciate women without gawking. It's not hard to refrain from making sexual comments about your neighbor's daughter every time she walks into your convenience store.
Good guy
It's interesting that half a century after the Civil Rights movement and the emergence of feminism that there is a push for re-segregation. You see this on college campuses with black student groups wanting black-only student housing and with the women who are the subject of this question wanting segregated gym time.
Guys haven’t made me feel uncomfortable the couple of times in my life that I went to the gym. They’re too busy looking at each other, like u said. Men are way more attracted to other men.
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That's great, it's really annoying to have all these dudes drooling over my butt when the only thing I'm doing is working out. And If they are too rude and I confront them they play dumb so yeah, it's necessary
Really, people looking at you bothers you that much?
But there are girls only gyms.
If you've been harassed that's different and you should report the patron and get his ass booted.
I see your point but do you see a problem with excluding all guys (even if for a short period) because someone gave you problems?
Women go to the gym dressed in body paint and then bitch about men looking... they claim comfort but could just as easily wear clothing that doesn't cling like a second skin and it would be just as comfortable. They choose to wear makeup and body paint to the gym for the same reason they complain.
@LogicBomber body paint? lol wtf gym clothes are more comfortable for some people if they're tight, in my case I even wear a smaller bra to hide my chest and lose clothes and this still happens. What you're saying is basically that you're an animal and that you can't control yourself, that's something you should reconsider. If a guy wears tight clothes there's like 3% chance he'll get harassed like we do, so stop saying bullshit
"If a guy wears tight clothes there's like 3% chance he'll get harassed like we do" please tell me you don't actually believe that.
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A lot of guys will get very upset if they have to pay full membership but don't get the same access.
I've gotten remarks about my physique from guys at the gym all the time (ones I don't even know).
It didn't bother me. But even though I disagree with you I've heard worse reasons for women's only hours.
I can't avoid to intervene here.
You probably don't see an issue if you see a sauna that has girls only hours or men only hours but it seems such an issue for you to have the same kind of schedule implemented in a place where girls are under permanent attack by some guys.
I know of guys that ONLY go to the gym to sexually harass girls but you seem to be ok with that, right?
I have reported at least half a dozen guys for sexual harassment against a minor at my gym.
The platonic reply is always
"there is nothing we can do about it, you should accept it or look elsewhere"
What does that tell me about male management attempting to protect its patrons against harassment? Exactly, they actively support it because they cannot afford to lose those clients.
Rather lose a number of girls that ARE sexually harassed than to lose guys that work out.
That is the unfortunate situation in our world nowadays.
Do girls ever watch hot guys work out?
Girls need to learn to deal with their issues themselves. And that doesn’t mean kick men out of the gym or tell off every guy that glances their direction.
There will always be people on life that make you feel uncomfortable and you have to learn to cope with that and raise above it.
I think it's retarded, it's a public gym, people are paying to go there, you shouldn't say to half your customers hey you can only come in during these hours because it's females only every other time.
People look at people in the gym, men at women and women at men, get over it.
Plus can you imagine the outrage women would make if there were guys only hours, we would never hear the end of it.
Sexist and wrong. If guys are paying the same price for a membership then they should get just as much time at the gym.
Peter Lloyd sued and won for this exact reason.
And femtards went ballistic, which they would have also done if men had male only hours.
When women wear makeup and skin tight "body paint" or almost nothing, to the gym, they aren't there to "work out"... they are there looking for cheap attention.
Like the females in your image. Bra and skintight thin material, chatting and barely breaking a sweat, and a mask of makeup... totally not there for any sort of work out. 
I think women and men should not work out in the same gyms, or they should be sectioned off.
I really hate how my friends gawk and oggle women constantly.
It also makes me sick when women go there specifically to look sexy and distract the men. Its the main reason why i no longer go to the gym.
I think this a good idea, but its inconvenient to male and female customer.
Women go there to check out guys too. I think most people go to gyms to check out others or hoping for attention. It costs much less to have exercise equipment at home and is more convenient for most people so I don't know why they would want to go without being checked out.
In a gym everyone is there to workout. People stare all the time. There’s nothing you can do about that, it doesn’t matter if you’re a male or a female
If they feel more comfortable, for whatever reason, then yeah, all for it! Why not? How does it really affect me? They can have their time, but others can choose the open time, and for each, their own!
Because you can't go to the gym that time even if that's the only time you have open to you.
Typical female paranoia and entitlement. I've been all but raped by women myself (they pretend like men don't have to deal with this stuff). I don't avoid them though. Seriously, I've had a girl stalk me, and threaten to rape me before. I get girls commenting on my butt CONSTANTLY. Girls have groped my ass without consent. One girl literally stuck her hands down my pants when I was drunk at a party. This stuff happens to guys too, and it's not appreciated but we don't go demanding segregation
If it makes women feel comfortable so they can do their own thing then I don't care, fine by me if they want their own gyms. Although I do agree you should not bother a woman working out, my question to any girl reading this is, what if you see the same guy every time at the gym and he looks at you and smiles but does not say one word. I mean eventually if a few months go by I think it's fine if a guy goes up to her and says tries to initiate convo.
No, they should have a women’s only area, but not women only hours. That’s ridiculous and dumb.
@ChefCurry Well I ride horses, so technically. My mums a person trainer though, so sometimes.
I see the point. Am the type of guy that notices a girl at a gym. Glances at her occasionally but try my hardest to avoid watching her cos they make me a little uncomfortable (yes am shy) its a good kind of uncomfortable. But still... Female only hours sounds dumb. You just need to go with a friend and just work out. Besides All they can do is stare. Any other stuff should be outright ignored or reported.
People stare at people all the time in the gym and it SHOULD be like that. Nobody wants to work out and then suddenly someone collapses on the floor because of too much weight and no spotter and not see this happening.
Secondly gyms have mirrors on all the walls, its nearly impossible not to have someone in your field of vision.
A lot off exuses on those gym's to keep it that way.
when it comes to it female's tends to disturb the male to get attention and validation. extremely annoying, makes it very uncomfortable for the men to have those morons there. the funny thing is it's them that usually wine's about the opposite.
Did terminate membership on one gym chain because of that and the sexual segregation that they had that girls have a private part in the gym but not men to be left alone from the opposite gender.
Meh, if a gym wants to do that, sounds ok to me. Now, I would never belong to a gym that excluded me during certain hours based on my sex, but if some gyms want to do that, and there's a market for it..
I wouldn't call myself a feminist, but I understand why this would be a thing. The only downside would be having to rearrange my schedule because perverted meatheads can't exercise self control.
My gym has woman only hours... it's actually a relief at times because woman get a lot of unwanted attention...
So it's a gym specifically just for females? No guys allowed?
What makes anyone think men dont get this attention? From either men or women?
@Twenty2 Are you a SJW lol
@Twenty2 Getting triggered and calling people sexist lol
Well 1) I live in an Arab country so men and woman have separate gyms (some are mixed but they have woman only hours and 2) men tend to be very forward and thirsty here... so yeah I enjoy being able to exercise in peace.
And I am not a man so I dont know about men being stared at but I know about woman being stared at so I gave my opinion from a woman perspective...
Separate gyms? Wow that's weird.
As long as there are "men's only" hours too. I'd totally go to those hours because there wouldn't be bitches taking up the squat rack for 60 minutes on end. How many fuckin' sets of squats do you need to do? There's only one goddamn rack. Get your ass off it and let someone else take a turn.
So stupid, watch them throw a fit if there was a guy hour. Yeah guys are creeps but girls are even bigger creeps and they think that complimenting a dick print and touching people without consent is ok
If a gym does that, they have to fo the same for men and that would drive down business. If a girl doesn't want to be stared at she van wear long baggy sweatpants. Wearing tight clothes may make working out better or easier for her, but it also makes men look.
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