Can anyone Change My View and give me a good reason why I should return to the gym and keep going there?

[MCheetah]

I mainly did the elliptical and weight machines when there.

So, this started off as a response in a girl's MyTake. I'm just going to repeat what I said there:

Been in and out of the gym for years. Honestly, you want to know why I never stick with it?

One, no matter HOW MUCH sh*t I do in there, I literally NEVER see or feel any results or progress. I already despise being in there, and the whole not-seeing-any-gains thing makes it feel especially useless.

And two, I'm short. To put it bluntly, there's nothing I can do to improve my body anyway, because of that. It's like having a car with no engine, thinking changing the cylinders and tires will get it running again. No. I'm short; my body is already defective because of that. I might as well literally be handicapped, instead of just feeling like it.

So going to the gym, over the years, ONLY ever made me feel like sh*t and severely LOWERED my self-esteem. The ONLY people who EVER benefit from the gym or feel good about it, are people who never had any problems, to begin with. You rarely ever see formerly fat people at the gym. Only tall and already-fit people there.

I first joined a cardio gym in 2006; Bally's Total Fitness. Then another gym in 2010; Planet Fitness on their 10/10/10 day special. Then I started doing martial arts, Judo, in 2012. Then Muay Thai in 2013 while working as a bodyguard. Then American boxing in 2015 for a few years. Then joined a local gym, 12th Street, in 2016 to start doing cardio again. Then an MMA in 2018 (pretty damn good one too, but I just couldn't keep up). Then COVID happened and I was on and off in 2021. Not ONCE did I literally EVER feel "stronger, more durable," or like I had "better overall fitness."

The gym, besides women themselves, was probably one of the biggest causes for my depression at the time. I LOATHE the f*cking gym and still do.

So... Anyone out there think they can give me a reason to go back to the gym again or stick to it?

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There was a meme that @Pinay_ako once had on a post, comparing two people at the gym. One was the typical "Working out makes me happy and feel good!" person. The other said "Me..." with someone looking upset, sweaty, and tired. I was looking to post that meme here, cause it describes me perfectly.

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Found it.
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[HighValue]

My advice would be to get a set of dumbbells for working out at home. Just having to get ready and going somewhere wastes your time and it contributes to you not being motivated to workout at all because it is more of a hassle.

Get a set from Target: Ignite by SPRI Chrome Dumbbell They are $30 each for 15 pound ones. So $60 total. Do sets of 25 reps if you can, then just increase set size, not weight. Continue doing that until you can do sets of 100 + reps for curls, back arms, vertical press, and what I call "pulls." Which is just bending over at a 90 degree angle and pulling them up from the floor. They won't take up much space either. Don't worry about each dumbbell only being 15 pounds for a total of 30. Most people lie about what they can do and they don't do many reps so they may look pumped from doing near their max with sets of only 3 reps, but they are actually much weaker IRL from what I have seen.

Only workout 4 days per week. M, T, TH, F. Take the weekends off and take Wednesday off. The thing that makes workouts effective is consistency for at least 3 months before expecting to see results. At first it is very slow to see results and that is what discourages most people.

The other thing I would recommend if you have the space for it and can afford it is a stationary bike. Not the typical fan style, but get the magnet style. It works great in my opinion. I have one that I use when the weather isn't so hot.

Also, don't waste your time or money on any supplements/GNC bs. Just do it all natural like I did. Drink a glass of milk before and after your workout (protein and calcium) and Gatorade during for electrolytes.

Try that for 3 months and you should start seeing results, but even though it won't be big results at that point, if you continue for the following months (months 4 through 6) then you really should see noticeable results.

If you try what I suggested, maybe take a before and after picture and let me know how it works out for you.

[Sandeeppingping]

No lie I hate every single part of going to the gym, getting ready, walking there, despise the training itself, I still do it though, some people say it's unhealthy but fuck their positivity talk, when I saw the gym as a positive, basically an extra in my life, I didn't have no sense of urgency to actually go there, what takes me there, and that's every single day there is no day in which I don't give myself that talk, is I get myself angry, I'm not gonna go too personal on this one but I basically think of people who were like brothers and sisters to me and now I consider my enemies , I imagine what if one day I saw them again and they're looking amazing meanwhile I look like I've been in hibernation for the last year, I could never accept that and it angers me so much that I go anyway, basically I want to beat them because I am better than them, and I understand anyone saying "Ohhh that's no way to live", I understand, but fuck off that at least gets me out of bed instead of watching porn all day, so I guess my advice to you is think of something that angers you and flip that switch, I'm usually a chill guy, but not before training whether at the gym or mma related, maybe for you it's SJWs or some trashy woman you've had the unfortunate experience of meeting, whatever it is anger yourself and don't accept that some SJW bitch is getting stronger while you're just there (just an example you know yourself better than I do)

[Sandeeppingping]

Sorry for the long ass essay but that's how it feels, anyway, for the practical advice if you're not seeing any changes it's either because you didn't stay enough or because your diet isn't on point (I went from 135lbs to 165lbs in a year, and yes I'm lean af), I still hate the gym though I'd rather workout at home but at home it takes me 3 hours to do 100 push-ups, no sense of urgency

[MCheetah]

I did have a strong motivator to keep me doing MMA. This obnoxious woman I knew in my life. Basically, my friend's friend, but nearly one of my enemies. Was a total gym rat. She was like my own personal Gary Oak. She was also lucky enough to be 6'0" tall too, so even taller than me. I'd go to the gym and do MMA just to spite her. To do EXACTLY what you said you do. But it was never enough. That would only last for about 15 minutes or so before the anger wore off. Anger and spite was not a strong enough motivator to keep going.

[2Wheels]

I shared this in what I think is the same post you're referring to. So, I'm just going to copy it for here and add a bit to it. Don't take offense to whatever I say. This is just my take from my experience and from what I've seen and doesn't make it fact. I've also learned a lot from friends who have been gym goers most of their life.


I think a huge reason why people hate going to the gym and never see results is because they're doing things that are just wasting their time.
I see more than half the people in gyms I go to doing this. Unless they just love being there and don't care about results then go for it!


Put your phone down and put some effort into what you're doing. Are you there to hangout or there to workout? Key word in there is "work". You have to work to see results.


Also, consistency is a big help. If you go 3 times a month and do 100 exercises half assed, forget ever seeing results.


Overworking your muscles is a thing.
People think you have to kill yourself to see anything happen. Not true. Overdoing it can actually make your body say, heck no!
Listen to your body. If it says to stop, then stop.


Food! Take into account of what you're eating on a daily basis. Are you eating good solid foods or pasta and fries?



One huge benefit you have over most people IS the fact you're short.


Instead of doing cardio on your machines and boring yourself to death, do some barebell squats. Tell me there's no cardio in that.


I hate doing cardio, but I don't care because everything I do at the gym is insane cardio in itself. Regarding lifting.


One last tip.


FULL. RANGE. OF. MOTION.


Stop wasting your time with quarter or half reps. You will see results way freaking faster if you do full range of motion with EVERYTHING.


Negative!
No, not your attitude. Your reps.
Stop swinging the weights around. More than half the exercise is in the negative part of it.
I like doing fast positives and slow negatives.


Control the weight and don't let the weight control you. If you can't control the negatives, it's too heavy.


Watch your form. Bad form can lead to injuries and in some cases slow results.


Find something you enjoy! There's so many different styles of training. Find one that peaks your interest and give it a try.
Maybe lifting dumbbells isn't for you. Maybe you would enjoy calisthenics more or something else.
Going to the gym or working out doesn't have to be something you dread.
It's hard at first, yes. After a while if you keep up consistency it may even become enjoyable.


Eat well, sleep well and most importantly have fun! ✌️😊

[MCheetah]

I'm sure this is helpful advice out there for someone, so thank you for that.
But for me, this isn't too helpful. Like I said, if I actually had results from it, I'd still hate going, but at least I'd see the point in it.

Someone else (the guy I gave MHO to) said you need to go for 6 months straight before you see even 1% results or progress. I'm like "Who TF has half a year to waste on something like that?" I usually quit at the 5 month mark and literally have no results by then. I'd eat this nasty healthy sh*t that makes me want to puke, like raw kale and spinach every day, and then spend two hours in the gym doing cardio (which someone else said "is for girls" and that men shouldn't do cardio), and I'd get jack sh*t from it all after weeks or months of that consistently, of doing something I already LOATHE doing. If that's not disheartening, then I don't know what is.

[MCheetah]

Oh, and another thing. I've had weight loss surgery and I GUESS, have been losing weight since then, since my clothes are now looser on me. But that is the only indicator I've even lost weight, as whenever I look in the bathroom mirror, I still LOOK the same! I'm still fat. I don't FEEL like I've lost any weight at all and this has just been two months of "automatic" weight loss from having most of my stomach removed. If my pants weren't sagging off my butt and my shirt didn't feel puffy, I wouldn't have even thought I lost anything at all.

So if two months of "automatic" weight loss makes me feel like I'm still the same weight, imagine how much worse I'd feel if I was putting in two hours a day of cardio to get this same result? I'd still feel like I was wasting my time and getting nowhere. I haven't weighed myself since I don't own a scale, so I don't know how much weight I've lost, but it doesn't look like any at all in the mirror.

[2Wheels]

Hey, no worries. Honestly. You can give someone everything they need to change their life, but they have to make the decision themselves.
They have to reach that rock bottom point where they've just had enough and make the commitment to do something about it.
If you have no drive or want to make a change, it's never going to happen. It takes a big commitment for sure.
It's not something you do for 5 months and then you're good for the rest of your life. It's a never ending process. You have to love it, or at least like it a little. Because if not, you'll just burn out and give up.
So, I totally understand where you're coming from. There's nothing wrong with that. It's not for everyone.
Just to answer a couple things you said though...
You will see results much sooner than 6 months. You'd see stuff the first month if you're consistent. (Obviously depending on what you're doing in that month of time.) They'll be small, but they'll be there.
Yeah, eating spinach and just salads... not sure who told you that you need to do that. That's messed up.
In fact. People who train actually eat a lot more than the average person. They need to in order to build muscle.
When your muscles are growing they're burning fat. A lot of it. Your muscles grow at night when you're asleep, soooo you're actually burning fat in your sleep. How awesome is that?
That's why I just do heavy lifting and no extra cardio. If you're trying to lose weight, lift. Stop wasting your time on the elliptical machine. No wonder you hate the gym so much. I would too if I did that.
(This is purely just my opinion and obviously you do whatever works for you.)
Also, lifting makes you feel great after you do it for a bit. It becomes an addiction to some.
You have more energy, it gives you something to look forward to, it even helps with self esteem a lot too.
Anyway, what you want to do is completely up to you. I'm just sharing my opinion because you asked. No judgment to whatever you choose.

[FriendlyDrugDealer]

Along with physical improvements, it’s also good for the mind. I love to go out jogging / running mainly because it allows me to turn off my brain / empty the cup such as mediating. Weightlifting helps me focus and feel energized in a way too.


I think you can do it bro. You’re a fucking conqueror!! Don’t stop conquering!

[JDavid25]

I would say only you can find the motivation to head to the gym.. You can also hit some home workouts since there's a lot of good ones out there.. I would say with the results it depends on what you want.. To lose weight or gain muscle..

[MCheetah]

I'd want to be 220-230 pounds of muscle and want to be an expert in MMA doing kickboxing and stuff. I recently had weight loss surgery in August, so I don't know what I weigh right now, but I was like 305 prior to August 1st.

But like I said, I never had a single bit of progress after months of doing this stuff. I went to the MMA gym 30 times before I had to quit due to vaccine mandate BS from earlier this year (back when they were refusing to let anyone go to the gym without a vaccine; they stopped that in June).

I mainly did the MMA stuff to lose weight in a way that was less boring than an hour on the treadmill every night. f I actually had any progress, I'd have a reason to keep doing it, but I never had a single bit of progress in all my time doing exercise. Literally NOTHNG. Someone told me it was my Hypothyroidism preventing me from seeing results, but I don't believe her because I pushed myself daily. I'd do MMA two hours every night for a month straight and saw NOTHING change.

[JDavid25]

True, it also depends on what you eat.. Like, I saw some tremendous results when I ate a bunch of protein and was eating fairly clean for the most part.. Some 30 minutes cardio that you like every night or 5 days a week would seems like it could do wonders.. And muscle overload is your friend if you wanna gain bigger muscles..

[MCheetah]

I was eating raw kale and spinach, and one dry grilled chicken breast (pre-made; the microwavable kind) every night. That's all I ate when I was serious about weight loss and MMA. And I tried eating it before going there, like for lunch, and eating it after going, to see which one was better.

I think my body is just defective and sh*tty. Height aside, I mean. Some people go for 15-30 minutes and transform in a week. I went for five months and literally stayed the same f*cking weight, the entire time. My coach tried to say "maybe I was losing fat and replacing it with muscle," which is why my weight never changed, but it sounds like an excuse to me.

[JDavid25]

Yeah genetics does play a big part in progress speed.. Like muscle memory, and natural athleticism.. I think a consistent challenging but no death inducing workout and eating clean over the long haul can do wonders.. Especially since realistically your metabolism seems not to be the fastest..

[MCheetah]

I used to never get hungry. Like, at all. Never hungry. That's how my metabolism was. I'm not sure if things have changed now.

[RealMarek]

The first priority of exercise is to keep your heart in shape. A guy who had a heart attack told me that. Cardio first, everything else second. Having a healthy weight is going to be influenced more by diet and hormonal balance than exercise for most people, but high-intensity interval training (it’s not easy) can boost metabolism.

[Pinay_ako]

I’ve never been to a real gym in my life. But people always try to convince me to go. So I need a reason too 😂. I lost weight and kept it off without going and thanks for the mention

[MCheetah]

Do you remember what that meme was?

[Pinay_ako]

I think the nun 😂

[Pinay_ako]

Got it

[Loretta_lolli]

Dude why do you post ALL of your info online? I know more about you than I do my own mother.

Seriously though, fair warning. Your email (new one and the one that has been hacked), employment history, full name, known relatives, addresses, contact information, education history, body measurements (genitalia dimensions, height, weight, etc), hobbies, crush history and pictures (full body and just face) are online. Someone made a mega doc of just your info. Contact me if you need more information

If you are chill with this then no worries.

[MCheetah]

It says I can't DM you. You'd have to message me.

[DubiousIntentions]

Because if you don't you are more likely to develop bad health conditions, such as high blood pressure, diabetes, or heart disease. You will definitely live a shorter life. What is your diet like? If you never saw any positive results, one would assume you took in more calories than you worked off.

[DubiousIntentions]

Do you even want female opinions as you gave no MHO to a female.

[MCheetah]

I always only give MHO's to the ones I feel are most helpful. Gender has nothing to do with it. Also, your answer wasn't helpful to me, to be honest (and Calories in, Calories Out is complete BS and a myth health nuts keep trying to push on people; the body is way more complicated than simple math), but I appreciate you trying.

[DubiousIntentions]

Well there is a little more to the story than calories. I also saw your comment on the surgery you had. I think you will be losing some now.

[exitseven]

I wonder if you should not go to a physician and see if there is a physical reason that you do not get results. You seem like a really hard working guy and I just don't understand why you do not see results. I have known a couple of short people over the years that have made great improvements in their physiques and that had an effect on their confidence and attitude about life.

[Fuentes]

Your choice and they're many buff people of all sizes lol plus u have to cut stuff out of your diet which I noticed you posted awhile ago, you can't cause it's to hard to do & you refuse to do. You can't just work out to cut weight & then eat abuncha fast food calories and expect progress lol

Working out is a personal choice.

[Pot8o]

in my opinion you should only go to the gym if there's a payoff for you.

[pers0n]

You're 180cm, which is short of being tall but not short compared to the average. It is the average.

Possibly you're fucked, there are unlucky people who are fucked, who don't even respond to anabolic steroids. But nobody is fucked 100% in every mechanism. You may find out a method to stay in shape that works for you, but not for others. Nobody has to go to the gym. I don't, I do enough physical activity outside of it.

[MCheetah]

Please don't insult me like that with that first sentence. That really annoys me.

[msc545]

My friend, that is entirely up to you. I don't think others are obligated to give you reasons; you already know what they are. Do as you will and desire.