Should people at least be able to deadlift their bodyweight, and push/pull half of their weight?

[more_than_a_guy]

I don't mean people should be as strong as strongmen, nor focus on strength if they don't want to. But do you agree that for health, most people should be able to do this?

For postural benefits, avoiding injuries while falling and overall support their weight in a healthy way.

I agree

I disagree, this is why...

Maybe, my dilemma is...

[madewithingredients]

Since your goal is health..

After a certain point the risk outweighs the benefits. Where that point is, it depends on you and how strict you are about not passing that threshold. If your goal is health, you should take that into consideration.

For example, know when to stop. Don't force yourself past a limit that you're not ready to pass.

Where I live as far as I know any occupation can only require you to only be able to lift up to 50 pounds. Anything heavier than that you are expected to get another person to help or use some sort of mechanical assistance. I don't dead lift but I Jefferson curl 60 lbs at most, and I don't really see a reason to go past that. There's other exercises I can spend my time on that would be more beneficial.

There's nothing wrong with lifting heavier or doing something else extreme, like running a marathon. All sports and forms of exercise have their risks. What's important is that you ask yourself am I doing this for health or am i doing it to achieve a new personal best? Because if you're trying to advance farther than your body is ready for, if you're trying to do too much, then you can injure yourself, and you will lose your gains while you're recovering.

Even just over-training can result in diminishing returns. It's not efficient to do too much. And the risk of injuring yourself isn't worth it.

[more_than_a_guy]

Of course every sport has risks and benefits. But here I am not talking about training like a strength athlete, I was talking about the minimum in the strength aspect for a healthy lifestyle. No extreme. Those movements (and squats) are fundamentals in a good biomechanic. Having some strength like I mentioned here have benefits for posture, injury prevention and body support.
in my opinion a minimal amount of strength, with some cardio, range of motion and coordination are key for a good lifestyle (again, no need to be in a pro athlete level).

[madewithingredients]

yup, that's what im saying.
by the way dead lifts are completely overrated as something beneficial to practical real-life situations. there are virtually no real life situations where you would need to lift an object by hand with that movement, posture and technique. The only object that is perfectly symmetrically weighted with places to grab that are about shoulder-width apart and are shaped the way a barbell is, is in fact a barbell.
if you're trying to lift an amount of weight that is equal to your own body weight with any movement, like a squat or deadlift, you are training like an athlete or enthusiast or something. it's not bad, and yeah, it's beneficial, but to answer your question, is that amount of weight necessary? should you be able to? no.

[Bricealan]

Good question, and I said "no" but want to qualify my answer. I have done some bench work in the gym, and at home using a large 'exercise ball - 36", as a 'bench' and have done 'flys' using about half of my body weight, (60) lbs) but never tried doing a 'dead lift'. I weigh 140. I have resisted doing 'curls' with any heavy stuff, other than being seated on a bench, and have only done some minimum "bench press' stuff.

I guess my most substantial reason for not trying any dead lift stuff was fear of adding to my low back, "L5/S1) disc injury, although I would like to be ABLE to dead-lift my own weight.

[more_than_a_guy]

If you have an injury, it's a different story. Then so whatever you can to strengthen the area without the additional spinal stress if you can. But in my question I specified for most people, for people without such injuries and conditions.

[Bricealan]

@more_than_a_guy understood, but my reply suggests that I feel most should be able to do that.

[Lochlan]

I learned the workout, bridges as an alt to deadlift, from someone that had a back injury. It engages the hams, back, abs substantially, is safer than deadlift. Just got to get grip elsewhere, maybe hanging from a bar.

[sean1234]

naturally, lifting ANY heavy weight off the ground, even if its dumbbells to do a curl is deadlifting weight. The questions is how much weight can your back handle. Its called going up slowly in weight. Light weight many reps and going up fro there I would think.

[Bricealan]

@Lochlan Thanks for that input.

[Bricealan]

@sean1234 I have been doing Yoga, lately, which involves a multitude of exercise, light weights, balance, core strength, range of motion, and flexibility. I DO need to get back to the gym for arm and shoulder, and quads. That should help me in balance stuff.

Appreciate your comments... who said we could not get good input here? LOLOLO

[sean1234]

Yoga, I used to think it was just like plates, just another stretching exercise. A man once said

Yoga was secularized the yoga to rid it of any pagan tradition. The practice, the savy marketers claimed, was a "spiritual path, but not a religious one", to calm the committed Christian who wanted to hang onto Jesus while doing the, suryanamaskara"(obeisance to the sun).
Ramesh Rao

[sean1234]

Yoga, I used to think it was just like plates, just another stretching exercise. A man once said

Yoga was "secularized" to rid it of any taint of "pagan" tradition. The practice, the savy marketers claimed, was a "spiritual path, but not a religious one", to calm the committed Christian who wanted to hang onto Jesus while doing the, suryanamaskara" (obeisance to the sun).
Ramesh Rao

[sean1234]

Read the 2nd one

[sean1234]

This is kind of off topic, but...
https://youtu.be/IYbXnU8QZlM?si=nd-btITlKGtOpe45

It's where I got the quote. Kung fu panda meditation for kids

Here's the full version, a little more off topic, lol.

Kung fu panda dark origins
https://youtu.be/ZGNWzrPY9vI?si=nLgK7y2VRjPEzFam

[sean1234]

Pardon me, kungfu panda teaching OCCULT meditation to kids. It's yoga related.

[laly520]

depends not everyone r able to do itproper form, technique n safety should always gotta be prioritized when performing deadliftsre-state://background_color_rgb (255, 255, 255), font_color_rgb (13, 13, 13), justifyLeft

[more_than_a_guy]

I agree, technique is important and crucial for this. But in this take, I am speaking on the strength aspect of it in general.
by the way, in my opinion, people should also learn the techniques for squat and deadlift, even if they don't lift regularly, but due to if they need to lift something heavy like boxes while moving house. It's a good thing to learn for good lifestyle.

[gabe10]

Yes this is pretty easy even if you are a beginner and props most people can do this.

[strateguy632]

1st.