Omg I just want to say stop blaming marriage itself blame the people in it. Sure there no benefits in marriage if you think so but some people want to to express their love that way if you don't fine. But don't sit here and rant about it when one. you probably not marry 2. just because you see couples fall apart doesn't mean there no couples that are lasting and 3. it takes two to tango and if the marriage fails you have to see both sides and see what cause it to end.
The predicted divorce rate based on past 50/50 rates for 2014 is 64%, The birth rates among western women are now 59 out of every 1000. Also failure to pay child support disappears when parental custody rises to 50/50 yet NOTHING has been done to achieve this goal. Alison saunders (a feminist) and head of the CPS (crown prosecution service) in the UK now considers all men guilty of rape until proven innocent and most of their administrative team are made up of women. Men in the media are almost universally seen as either bastards or idiots, yet they make up the majority of homeless, suicides, workplace deaths and homicides - our violence policy across the west is called "violence against women and girls (VAWAG) - there is NO program for men. Women now also cheat twice as much as men (2012 undercoverlovers study) and their suicide rate during divorce is 10 TIMES higher than women's.
This is no longer a 'look at both sides' argument - it is clear and willful misandry.
@ClaudiusDecimus I don't get why guys like you try to paint all men are innocent in these situations thou if all women are horrible evil monsters to men what does that make men? keep in men who are suicidal, or homeless don't blame women for their situations. Also, 30% of murdered women are killed by their partners are men being kill by their female partners like that? here a simple reason: don't marry a evil douche and you have a lasting marriage most people marry the wrong person and end up in bad marriages for a long time or getting divorces.
Marriage does NOT make the relationship any more firm than the relationship is because there is a way to break that too. It's called divorce. Relationships end too and it's called a break up.
The difference between both ends: The former will screw you and highly likely to put you (as a man) into poverty, the latter is a much lesser variant of it's damage, that is much easier to overcome.
There we have it.
If my future girlfriend would really love me, then she would acknowledge, that I am never getting married but I would still call her my "wife" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I don’t understand this narrative everyone seems to have nowadays... apparently women don’t have to be traditional yet men still do? Men, do what you will but the statistics are there, be smart and independent if a person truly loves you then there is no need for government intervention love is innerstanding not a contract.
@takyo Lmfao yoo this take is sooo dumb. Marriage isn't for everyone. That is true. But there is nothing wrong it and it isn't always such a horrible thing. I know couples happily married for over 15 years and I know couples who never got married are doing jist as fine and both kinds who are miserable.
Of course if you're with the wrong person. There are happy couples who are in happy, loving marriages/relationships. For example, my grandparents (dad's mom and step dad) were happy together and they got married when my grandma was 16 and grandpa was 18, and they were happily married for over 43 years until my grandma died. And my grandma gave birth to my dad 6 days after her 16th birthday and then with my grandpa I know, not only were they happily married for over 43 years until she died, but together they had 2 sons and one of them being when she was 17. So you can't say that there aren't happily married couples that last like that. You must be with the wrong person or people you know are.
Yep marriage is stupid and pointless. Since it doesn't have that many legal benefits then there truly isn't a good enough reason to do it. Getting married to prove your commitment is a very shallow, dumb ass reason.
I agree to this but I don't agree with trying to influence people about this... marriage is a personal choice and the definition we got about marriage doesn't have to be the same for everyone
@Heera I never said for people to do what I said, they can do what ever makes them happy. If they think marriage will make them happy then they can have at it.
Indeed, you didn't, I just wanted to point out that not seeing marriage as a wonderful thing is okay while this myTake is just pathetic. I wish people would understand other points of views as well, like you seem to do, instead of trying to force their views on others
Turns out she had a drug problem and was addicted to cocaine. OD on combination of alcohol and cocaine with her panties in her purse at a drug dealer's apartment.
I see some of your points, but don't ya think this is a bit harsh for women?
Prsonally, I don't think marrige has a a point except having a child. As a man who does not wish to have a child I have no reason to marry.
But, if you, for some reason marry to a woman who wants to take your money, life and all, maybe you have some blame as well.
After all, there are men who abuse their wives as well. Nobody claims men are evil creatures who want to fuck everything that moves and have a nice meal at home whenever he needs to rest.
But that wedding thing is spot on, I personally think the whole concept of wedding is idiotic.
"Prsonally, I don't think marrige has a a point except having a child. As a man who does not wish to have a child I have no reason to marry."
Your brainwash by feminist. "More than 40% of domestic violence victims are male"
Men get abuse by women as well and seeing our society has a clause men can't fight back or else face penalities and will be laughed for getting beat by a girl i would wager it worse for married men. A woman at any time in a domestic dispute can just leave via divorce that benefits women a man who leaves face the prospect of financial ruin.
What does a man do in a situation where his wife is beating him? If he divorces, she can take him for all he's got. If he defends himself he gets arrested and everybody sees him as an evil woman-beater whether she was beating him up first or not. If he just takes it he's not a real man. What would you do?
I'm pretty sure I've seen almost this exact thing like, a dozen times from various guys on this site. Boring. Hearing about how all women just exist to screw over men is getting old.
@ZeatZed Of course women do the same thing. That doesn't change how boring these kinds of takes have gotten. I'm sick of hearing about how horrible women are, for ridiculous, made up reasons.
@Indigo91 That's priceless. As funny as you are, I think you should probably seek professional help. Your own worthlessness has nothing to do with me, or any other woman. That's your problem.
I agree that marriage isn't worth it nowadays but the number one thing that sucks money out of you is having kids. A married man who never had kids is financially better off that a man who gets his girlfriend pregnant out of wedlock. Also a married man who never has kids will generally have a much better sex life than the married men who did have kids. In some cases married men without kids even have better sexlives than men who live the bachelor lifestyle.
That being said I don't see anything I get in marriage that I don't get in a relationship so I don't see the point. Also the rate at which women sleep around kinda demotivates me away from marriage too.
Commited relationships outside of marriage can be just as disasterous. Women who aren't married can still use men just the same. And if you truly love someone marriage or no marriage, if you lost them for whatever the reason you would be very much devastated.
They cannot use men "just the same" because a lot of it has to do with divorce. If there is a girl who is obviously using me, I can just kick her out of my home and not give a shit. It gets waaaaaaaay more complicated with a marriage.
Plus, marraige or not, it would hurt just the same regardless because of your "feelings" involved. Marriage may not be for everyone. I know that. Too many people are scared of the commitment invovled and divorce. But my grandparents have been married for over 40 years now. I also know a couple that has been married for 10 years now and well they are still doing very well and "wouldn't have had it any other way." I also know another couple, a police officer and a simple business woman who have been married for 22 years now with 10 kids. I don't know how they did it or should I say still are doing it but... Wow.
That is true. But that is where trust comes in. No relationship will have even a chance of surviving without trust. If you worry about the odds of the relationship and what may come, you dont trust your partner and love is about trusting.
Any person worrying about their partner leaving or doing something disastrous in their relationship should rethink why they are in the relationship. If you dont trust someone, why be with them?
He probably does. The post isn't about all marriages being bad. It's about how there is no benefit to marriage over a committed relationship, with a big risk if it ends badly.
I suggest you look up suicide rates for divorced and divorcing men & say that cr*p to them
... while their feet rotate slowly clockwise, counterclockwise, clockwise, counterclockwise... ... or their brains dry slowly on the wall where the shotgun blast blew them
For 9, how about not settling down until you've found someone you're very compatible with, and not rush into a marriage and make sure you're truly compatible with each other?
Blah Blah Blah, not everyone should get married, and not everyone wants to get married. Stop forcing your views on to others. I know of couples who have been happily married for years, my parents never go married but have been together for 29 years. In the end do what pleases you best. My parents did not get married but I want to, and that's me. There are also a lot of benefits of marrying as well, you just choose not to see it.
I never planned to marry or have children. The big thing for me is getting used and then throw away. I've experienced that enough with just dating, but nothing necessarily high stakes. Maybe a few hoodies and hats that I'll never see again that probably got burned. But marriage... I could lose everything. Women only marry rich men anyways, so unless I become rich (or just pretend I'm poor and pursue my dreams of getting an arcade setup in the basement of whatever house I get in the future) it honestly isn't going to be a problem. We live in a generation of gold diggers, even dating is a very risky venture for a mentally disabled guy such as myself... I've been taken advantage of every time. I'm not going to be anyone's doormat, ATM, or toy. Fuck that.
On the one hand I totally agree. I also believe marriage benefits women more and hence why I've said I would have a prenup or the event of a divorce (hope not) I would not allow my lawyers to pursue money that wasn't mine.
On the other hand, you bring up reasons like less desirable to future women.
NEWSFLASH: life in general makes you less desirable!!! Whether you are fat thin divorced married single raped female male your career, your height, etc etc, it doesn't matter. Relationships fail for many reasons but they also survive for many.
I am the youngest of 5. The only girl. I've been raped. My mother abused me. My ex abused me. I still have the respect for others to know what's not mine. My anti depressants kill me sexual drive. But I still want to be married and my boyfriend still loves and supports me, even after gaining 6 stone as a protective method unintentionally.
Your post is very generic and very close minded.
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Also forgot to mention s child is just the same as your loaded gun. Marriage is not.
Half these replies from women are how not all marriages are bad. Where does is even say that? The post I about how there is no point in marriage over a committed relationship, only thing u get is the financial leverage,
Reading this and all the comments really depressed me. Whoa. All men think all women [or an overwhelming majority] are absolute snakes. Whoa.
Well, no hope of being a good, genuine person now. Might as well grow some fangs, become a leggy doe-eyed blonde white woman in her early twenties and bite deep into the neck of some handsome 6"3 business savvy man.
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Omg I just want to say stop blaming marriage itself blame the people in it. Sure there no benefits in marriage if you think so but some people want to to express their love that way if you don't fine. But don't sit here and rant about it when one. you probably not marry 2. just because you see couples fall apart doesn't mean there no couples that are lasting and 3. it takes two to tango and if the marriage fails you have to see both sides and see what cause it to end.
The predicted divorce rate based on past 50/50 rates for 2014 is 64%, The birth rates among western women are now 59 out of every 1000. Also failure to pay child support disappears when parental custody rises to 50/50 yet NOTHING has been done to achieve this goal. Alison saunders (a feminist) and head of the CPS (crown prosecution service) in the UK now considers all men guilty of rape until proven innocent and most of their administrative team are made up of women. Men in the media are almost universally seen as either bastards or idiots, yet they make up the majority of homeless, suicides, workplace deaths and homicides - our violence policy across the west is called "violence against women and girls (VAWAG) - there is NO program for men. Women now also cheat twice as much as men (2012 undercoverlovers study) and their suicide rate during divorce is 10 TIMES higher than women's.
This is no longer a 'look at both sides' argument - it is clear and willful misandry.
@ClaudiusDecimus I don't get why guys like you try to paint all men are innocent in these situations thou if all women are horrible evil monsters to men what does that make men? keep in men who are suicidal, or homeless don't blame women for their situations. Also, 30% of murdered women are killed by their partners are men being kill by their female partners like that? here a simple reason: don't marry a evil douche and you have a lasting marriage most people marry the wrong person and end up in bad marriages for a long time or getting divorces.
Marriage does NOT make the relationship any more firm than the relationship is because there is a way to break that too. It's called divorce.
Relationships end too and it's called a break up.
The difference between both ends: The former will screw you and highly likely to put you (as a man) into poverty, the latter is a much lesser variant of it's damage, that is much easier to overcome.
There we have it.
If my future girlfriend would really love me, then she would acknowledge, that I am never getting married but I would still call her my "wife" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
7 reasons why Men shouldn't be telling other men what to do, based on their own biased opinions.
They are free to do however they want.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA now we are free to do whatever we want?
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Men who think like you should absolutely not get married!
Its funny how women are good enough to have sex with but God forbid be a man and committ?
So being in a committed relationship is not enough? And here we go with the shaming for not taking a bad deal with no benefit or point.
all men should think like him.
I don’t understand this narrative everyone seems to have nowadays... apparently women don’t have to be traditional yet men still do? Men, do what you will but the statistics are there, be smart and independent if a person truly loves you then there is no need for government intervention love is innerstanding not a contract.
*sigh*
Boohoo. Sucks to be a male. The world is out to get you in every way, shape and form. Ya happy?
no, women are just not worth it. Men however, are worth for women.
@Takyon honey, get your bitter ass some reading glasses, your comment has nothing to do with what I just said.
@takyo Lmfao yoo this take is sooo dumb. Marriage isn't for everyone. That is true. But there is nothing wrong it and it isn't always such a horrible thing. I know couples happily married for over 15 years and I know couples who never got married are doing jist as fine and both kinds who are miserable.
@Grungenoreos that's the point of the take. There is no advantage with marriage over a relationship only disadvantage.
Of course if you're with the wrong person. There are happy couples who are in happy, loving marriages/relationships. For example, my grandparents (dad's mom and step dad) were happy together and they got married when my grandma was 16 and grandpa was 18, and they were happily married for over 43 years until my grandma died. And my grandma gave birth to my dad 6 days after her 16th birthday and then with my grandpa I know, not only were they happily married for over 43 years until she died, but together they had 2 sons and one of them being when she was 17. So you can't say that there aren't happily married couples that last like that. You must be with the wrong person or people you know are.
Yep marriage is stupid and pointless. Since it doesn't have that many legal benefits then there truly isn't a good enough reason to do it. Getting married to prove your commitment is a very shallow, dumb ass reason.
I agree to this but I don't agree with trying to influence people about this... marriage is a personal choice and the definition we got about marriage doesn't have to be the same for everyone
@Heera I never said for people to do what I said, they can do what ever makes them happy. If they think marriage will make them happy then they can have at it.
Indeed, you didn't, I just wanted to point out that not seeing marriage as a wonderful thing is okay while this myTake is just pathetic. I wish people would understand other points of views as well, like you seem to do, instead of trying to force their views on others
Guy marries girl thinking she is a virtuous woman with good character and morals
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Turns out she had a drug problem and was addicted to cocaine. OD on combination of alcohol and cocaine with her panties in her purse at a drug dealer's apartment.
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I ain't about that life.
How can you not tell from that smile that she's a crazy bitch?
@AdamThomas exactly lmao
I see some of your points, but don't ya think this is a bit harsh for women?
Prsonally, I don't think marrige has a a point except having a child. As a man who does not wish to have a child I have no reason to marry.
But, if you, for some reason marry to a woman who wants to take your money, life and all, maybe you have some blame as well.
After all, there are men who abuse their wives as well. Nobody claims men are evil creatures who want to fuck everything that moves and have a nice meal at home whenever he needs to rest.
But that wedding thing is spot on, I personally think the whole concept of wedding is idiotic.
"Prsonally, I don't think marrige has a a point except having a child. As a man who does not wish to have a child I have no reason to marry."
Your brainwash by feminist. "More than 40% of domestic violence victims are male"
Men get abuse by women as well and seeing our society has a clause men can't fight back or else face penalities and will be laughed for getting beat by a girl i would wager it worse for married men. A woman at any time in a domestic dispute can just leave via divorce that benefits women a man who leaves face the prospect of financial ruin.
@IamLouise Okay now, if a man gets beaten by his wife, maybe he's not that a man at all.
I live in Ukraine, there're no such laws over here and men still moan about women.
If you want healthy relashionships with women, firstly be a man.
What does a man do in a situation where his wife is beating him? If he divorces, she can take him for all he's got. If he defends himself he gets arrested and everybody sees him as an evil woman-beater whether she was beating him up first or not. If he just takes it he's not a real man. What would you do?
@AdamThomas Well, if I was married, my wife would know it is not a good idea to attack me physically.
Besides, I would not be in a marrige with an amazon.
Be fucking selective with your relationships.
I'm pretty sure I've seen almost this exact thing like, a dozen times from various guys on this site. Boring. Hearing about how all women just exist to screw over men is getting old.
Well the same can be said for the stereotypical fallacies that women say about men. I guess everyone believes stereotypes rather than reality.
@ZeatZed Of course women do the same thing. That doesn't change how boring these kinds of takes have gotten. I'm sick of hearing about how horrible women are, for ridiculous, made up reasons.
Women are like mercenaries, they fuck the highest bidder. Your only sick of it because men are wising up to the true nature of female hypergamy.
@Indigo91 That's priceless. As funny as you are, I think you should probably seek professional help. Your own worthlessness has nothing to do with me, or any other woman. That's your problem.
I agree that marriage isn't worth it nowadays but the number one thing that sucks money out of you is having kids. A married man who never had kids is financially better off that a man who gets his girlfriend pregnant out of wedlock. Also a married man who never has kids will generally have a much better sex life than the married men who did have kids. In some cases married men without kids even have better sexlives than men who live the bachelor lifestyle.
That being said I don't see anything I get in marriage that I don't get in a relationship so I don't see the point. Also the rate at which women sleep around kinda demotivates me away from marriage too.
Commited relationships outside of marriage can be just as disasterous. Women who aren't married can still use men just the same. And if you truly love someone marriage or no marriage, if you lost them for whatever the reason you would be very much devastated.
They cannot use men "just the same" because a lot of it has to do with divorce. If there is a girl who is obviously using me, I can just kick her out of my home and not give a shit. It gets waaaaaaaay more complicated with a marriage.
Not really. My aunt when through two divorces in the past and she barely benifited from them.
Plus, marraige or not, it would hurt just the same regardless because of your "feelings" involved. Marriage may not be for everyone. I know that. Too many people are scared of the commitment invovled and divorce. But my grandparents have been married for over 40 years now. I also know a couple that has been married for 10 years now and well they are still doing very well and "wouldn't have had it any other way." I also know another couple, a police officer and a simple business woman who have been married for 22 years now with 10 kids. I don't know how they did it or should I say still are doing it but... Wow.
Any kind of sexual relationship can be disastrous, but marriage does have more risks than any kind of less committed relationship.
That is true. But that is where trust comes in. No relationship will have even a chance of surviving without trust. If you worry about the odds of the relationship and what may come, you dont trust your partner and love is about trusting.
Any person worrying about their partner leaving or doing something disastrous in their relationship should rethink why they are in the relationship. If you dont trust someone, why be with them?
Yup, yup, yup...
It seems to me like you have no idea what a healthy marriage looks like.
A healthy marriage is only possible between gay people.
He probably does. The post isn't about all marriages being bad. It's about how there is no benefit to marriage over a committed relationship, with a big risk if it ends badly.
There's nothing healthy about marriage. I couldn't imagine allowing, let alone encouraging, someone I love to let me put a gun to her head like that.
I suggest you look up suicide rates for divorced and divorcing men & say that cr*p to them
... while their feet rotate slowly clockwise, counterclockwise, clockwise, counterclockwise...
... or their brains dry slowly on the wall where the shotgun blast blew them
"let me play russian roulette... if I win no problem
if I lose... I just had no idea what healthy russian roulette looks like"
If you marry a non westernized woman you might be able to have a healthy marriage
he is right
For 9, how about not settling down until you've found someone you're very compatible with, and not rush into a marriage and make sure you're truly compatible with each other?
Blah Blah Blah, not everyone should get married, and not everyone wants to get married. Stop forcing your views on to others. I know of couples who have been happily married for years, my parents never go married but have been together for 29 years. In the end do what pleases you best. My parents did not get married but I want to, and that's me. There are also a lot of benefits of marrying as well, you just choose not to see it.
I never planned to marry or have children. The big thing for me is getting used and then throw away. I've experienced that enough with just dating, but nothing necessarily high stakes. Maybe a few hoodies and hats that I'll never see again that probably got burned. But marriage... I could lose everything. Women only marry rich men anyways, so unless I become rich (or just pretend I'm poor and pursue my dreams of getting an arcade setup in the basement of whatever house I get in the future) it honestly isn't going to be a problem. We live in a generation of gold diggers, even dating is a very risky venture for a mentally disabled guy such as myself... I've been taken advantage of every time. I'm not going to be anyone's doormat, ATM, or toy. Fuck that.
"Women only marry rich guys anyway?"... you've been watching way to many episodes of Real Housewives, lol.
@SomeGirl88 Well all I see are gold diggers
On the one hand I totally agree. I also believe marriage benefits women more and hence why I've said I would have a prenup or the event of a divorce (hope not) I would not allow my lawyers to pursue money that wasn't mine.
On the other hand, you bring up reasons like less desirable to future women.
NEWSFLASH: life in general makes you less desirable!!! Whether you are fat thin divorced married single raped female male your career, your height, etc etc, it doesn't matter. Relationships fail for many reasons but they also survive for many.
I am the youngest of 5. The only girl. I've been raped. My mother abused me. My ex abused me. I still have the respect for others to know what's not mine. My anti depressants kill me sexual drive. But I still want to be married and my boyfriend still loves and supports me, even after gaining 6 stone as a protective method unintentionally.
Your post is very generic and very close minded.
Also forgot to mention s child is just the same as your loaded gun. Marriage is not.
So... ALL those people who are in happy, loving marriages must have not been drinking your bitter kool aid.
Half these replies from women are how not all marriages are bad. Where does is even say that? The post I about how there is no point in marriage over a committed relationship, only thing u get is the financial leverage,
Reading this and all the comments really depressed me. Whoa. All men think all women [or an overwhelming majority] are absolute snakes. Whoa.
Well, no hope of being a good, genuine person now. Might as well grow some fangs, become a leggy doe-eyed blonde white woman in her early twenties and bite deep into the neck of some handsome 6"3 business savvy man.