Marriage is only for women. Change my mind?

[Anonymous]

[hi_it_is_me123]

You dont need contract to marry in my opinion. If you live with your girlfriend at the same house forever, then it is marriage in my opinion.
However non married women over 30s without kids are seen as leftovers according my experience with many guys on gag and mgtow guys. Your worth as a woman decrease the older you get and especially if you are a single mum according many guys on gag and mgtow in my experience. I have seen guys that say single mums are only sex toys to them on gag. I dont know what the majority of men think. So i can't generalize but i did not see the same hostility towards men over 30s or single dads. I did not see anyone seeing men over 30s as leftovers. Men's worth are measured by their stability, money etc and not age which you can't control according to many guys on gag, mgtow on youtube etc. So men did not get affected when they are still single in their 30,40 or 50s and so they have it flexible according to this logic and so can get a young hot girl in his 30-40s for example.
So if this all true, then it is very very very drastic for a woman whose husband left her when she is not young anymore. Furthermore, if she has kids too, and so become single mum, she fucked up her life up according to this logic. So if your life is fucked up due to this, and your worth is zero due to age and your kids, do you have really a reason to live? I would not be suprised if she murders her ex husband after her kids are financial independent. She is seen as disgusting middle age single mum who is undesireable and a sextoy and has no worth and is not worthy for love according to this logic i mentioned. She will never find love again and any man who dates her is beta cuck according to mgtow and guys on gag. This all does not justify murder or any abuse but if this all true and so your worth is zero due to your age and kids, you will become a fucking femcel that is hated by the whole society and this may turn you into crazy depressive person.
In some middleeastern countries divorced women are seen as leftovers and it is very unlikely that she will find another man who marries her. She is seen as leftovers and no worthy for love anymore. So it is not uncommon that such women murder their ex husbands. The sexist antiman laws can prevent this since men can't just easily divorce her so easily. This does not justify these sexist antiman laws, of course.
This whole post is just a theory and is anecdotal and i can't generalize men. I am just summarizing many opinions of guys on gag. I hope it is not true that women are worthless for guys if they are single mum and no young anymore
Sorry for this long post. I watched many mgtow videos which make me scared of getting older and a little suicidal.

[have_a_good_day]

That's a scary way of thinking. I really hope things will get better for you.

[Tstrbrainer]

What channel are you watching lol. ?

[hi_it_is_me123]

Lol this is an old post. I dont remember anymore.

[Tstrbrainer]

😂😂😂, you reminded me of my childhood, when I was too scared to sleep after a horror movie

[hi_it_is_me123]

Wtf you mean lol? 😅🤣🤣🤣😂 i am confused

[hi_it_is_me123]

I really dont know it anymore.

[Tstrbrainer]

You know, the way you wrote your opinion, mostly out of topic of the question, and it was evident that you were really bothered by all those shit happening...

If you go through it again, you might get it 😉

[hi_it_is_me123]

So you are enjoy my weakness which you saw it from my old post , idiot?
Dont worry their end will come soon. I dont care about anything anymore and i dont get your problem. Why do you even search my old posts?

[hi_it_is_me123]

Whatever i really have no time for this

[Tstrbrainer]

Really? 🙄
Seriously, I didn't mean it from an offending sense.

Plus, I found this question from a link which was posted by someone on another question

[hi_it_is_me123]

Oh sorry then.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I misunderstand you then. Sorry again

[Tstrbrainer]

It's alright. Such misunderstandings often happen in indirect communications.

Have a great day

[Tstrbrainer]

By the way, I was searching about mgtow in YouTube, to know what the fuss is about, but I don't find any Chanels, so obviously they might be removed now

[hi_it_is_me123]

Ok i remember some mgtow channels

[hi_it_is_me123]

I remember colltaine and thinkbeforeyousleep. i am kinda scared that you end up being like them. The thing is there are three groups of mgtow guys in my experience. The one group is radical conservative traditional guys who want 50's back and want to marry virgin minors or young virgin submissive beta girls and the second group is who even see traditional housewife as parasites and who think women are just stupid, useless etc. I personally "like" the second group of mgtows since the hate both traditional and modern way of relationship since they are at least more fair lol. The third group are incels who hide behind mgtow idealogy or whatever . In my experience majority of the mgtows are radical conservative guys and incels who just want their hot pretty young submissive 50's traditional girl (or minor). I was told by many young women that they were groomed or had toxic relationship with such mgtow guys. More and more young women stay wake up and stay away from older men

[hi_it_is_me123]

This typ of guys want to groom blood young girls and form them as they want. They admit themself how they want to train very young women since they know young girls are more naive, unstable and so more likely get easily manipulated which is another definition for grooming

[Tstrbrainer]

Found them, these are not very popular terms in my country.

Anyway, don't worry, I am what I am. I'm not gonna indulge too much into something I have no use of. Got enough distractions already 😂

[Dazed0N0Confused]

I'm not going to try & change your mind, but raise the stakes here:
Marriage is only for people who need validation in their relationship to stay together. REAL love doesn't require a piece of paper & a ceremony. Married people can still cheat, married people still look at other people, married people get bored of their lives, and so much more. Marriage doesn't stop any primal instincts that we still have. Marriage just makes it expensive to leave the other person years down the line if you get tired of the other person.

My boyfriend wants to get married one day, i don't believe in marriage, but I'm willing to compromise for him, if that's what he wants.

[Dazed0N0Confused]

Thank you for MHO 😊

[Asker]

You hit the targets with these 😍😍😍

[crazy8000]

Depends where you live in the world.

Personal do I know no one really needs to get married in many countries to have family.
I also know that there are to many female's that are pregnant with other's child within a marriage and she lies about it until it goes to shit for her. there the husband doesn't know.

Also know children are not gonna get damaged because of not being married.
More likely to become damaged due to one or both having attitude problems. that is more likely in marriage and by the female since a lot of female's tends to become " she is always right even if she is wrong she is right " " happy wife happy life " " happy wife happy husband " entitlement, trying to control/change/improve, making the provider work at home too with shores that she shall do if she is home wife. revenge because he didn't do or did something she didn't like. nagging, attacking him. disrespectful. contempt. being the curse of bad communication. and so on...
Force feeding religious beliefs to their children...

[OlderAndWiser]

It is not my obligation to change your mind. If you don't want to get married, don't do it. It's that simple. You shouldn't get married because some old guy online talked you into it.

[IronLady6354]

If you truly feel that way I don't think there's a lot I could say that would 'change your mind'. However, I will say there are many men who are very happily married. There are a lot of benefits of marriage for men
1. A loving stable companion
2. A stable loving household to have and raise children
3. Men who are married are significantly more likely to have more sex then men who are single
4. Men who are married are significantly more likely to make more money then single men
I'm sure there's more, but that's what I could think of off the top of my head.
Maybe you don't like the idea of marriage, but that doesn't mean that most men feel the same way you do. Again, there are many men who are married and very much like being married.

[bamesjond0069]

You're 41. Some of that applied years ago. None of it does today. Im 34 myself and seen so much change. Even if i grant you ones that ARE married have more money... this is a statistical trick, average in all men who every have BEEN married and you will see a very different number.

Back a few decades married men may have had more sex but women are sooooo slutty now, having a girlfriend who likes threesomes and or 3 fwbs etc are valid options many many men have available. Most married men i know complain about lack of sex... anecdotally i see no evidence of this so im not really inclined to believe it.

[IronLady6354]

@bamesjond0069 Firstly, I'm actually 42. GAG actually got my age wrong and I can't change it.

Secondly, I actually got married to my current husband 3 years ago. My first marriage began and ended in my 20s. My husband now gets way more sex and makes lots more money than my first husband did.

Also, statistically, married men today still have more sex then their single counterparts
www.verywellmind.com/what-marital-sex-statistics-can-reveal-2300946

[bamesjond0069]

"I actually got married to my current husband 3 years ago. My first marriage began and ended in my 20s. My husband now gets way more sex and makes lots more money than my first husband did." Read what you wrote again. This is exactly what were talking about. Smh. How does one insure to not be the first husband and get little sex and get divorced? And the fact your current husband makes more money... he certainly won't make more if you get divorced like the first. Just saying.

[bamesjond0069]

"Also, statistically, married men today still have more sex then their single counterparts
www.verywellmind.com/what-marital-sex-statistics-can-reveal-2300946"

I also dont see that in the article anywhere. Tbh as a man in a relationship 80x per year seems woefully little. Id be highly disappointed

[IronLady6354]

@bamesjond0069 Well, my first husband was an abusive asshole I eventually had to get a restraining order over in order to protect me and my two girls, so that's a step in the direction of making sure you're not the kind of husband that gets less sex and divorced.
And it's not like he didn't get any sex. He did (probably more than he should have). It's just that women tend to be more interested in sex with men who treat them better and express affection more than men who don't.

[hahahmm]

If you have high standards then it's just the top level of commitment you can have in a relationship and it's natural to go there with the right person. The confusion today is that many people with low standards and an inability to really commit have gotten married in name only.

In today's legal/political climate men need prenups of some sort plus be very careful about who they marry. The number of women who would make good wives is shrinking fast tho.

[karaspara]

Marriage is only relevant for religious people of either gender in my view if you are worried about a wife taking you to the cleaners in a divorce may I suggest 1) Don't marry her if that's your outlook
2) Pre-nuptial agreements aren't only for the rich and famous

[Adam1978]

Sorry it's that one sided today. Technically it's for the one with weakest economy but we all know that women rarely marry down. So ignoring that small minority that do it's only women left.

[Anonymous]

Why do I need to change your mind exactly? If you don't want to get married, or you think it's not for men, then the answer is simple: don't get married. No one can force you to walk down the aisle buddy, it's your life!

[Asker]

In other words my question was - why should men marry?

[Anonymous]

Why do women speak about marriage as if the only way to have a long-term relationship is to have a wedding? Literally everything they list is possible without a wedding.

Even funnier is the anon girl who spoke about the benefits of marriage, one of them being stability, then spoke about how she divorced and her new husband gets more sex than her last husband. Why that’s a stupid argument for marriage being about stability or being a good deal will go completely over their heads.

[HiveBee]

Marriage is for kids and families, not men or women.

If we imagine that our nating strategies are like animals, you have men trying to fuck as many women as possible, and many many women sharing one man.

Without marriage, we return to our animal nature and leave the majority of men with no purpose, and the majority of children with no fathers.

[TommyMountainFigure]

Simple. All you have to do is speak to a happily married man to prove your theory wrong.

[Asker]

I have yet to meet one of them 😂😂😂

[TommyMountainFigure]

Hmmmm then maybe it's not as simple as I first thought.

[Asker]

Interesting. Do you know a happily married man?

[TommyMountainFigure]

Joking aside. My parents were extremely happy before my dad passed away last year. Both of them were.

[Browneye57]

You like pussy? Wanna have kids? Mature enough to want to GIVE, not what you can GET?
If you answered no to any of them then marriage is not for you. Some people just never get there, and that's fine. Just don't date either - you'll fail every time.

[K-I-S-S]

"Is this the line to lose half my shit" - Bill Burr

No need to marry, many reasons not to.

Can stay together happily too.
Women want that extra "stability" that comes with in case of a break up or that fear will keep the man longer. Not their main reason.

Also want it for social validation and for tradition.

Sorry ladies, no marriage from me, love is all you get

[Yyyyu]

Just date a rich women for example adele had to give alimony to her husband. don't date broke women problem solved

[Yyyyu]

Marry

[Yyyyu]

also at least tell them that you don't ever want to marry or have kids (so they don't waste their time and find a guy who want it) I don't care if you do it

[K-I-S-S]

I don't need a rich woman, i can take care of myself and any "broke women".

I am upfront about marriage, nobody said anything about not wanting kids.
We are doing just fine, me and my girlfriend of 10+ years.

While the average marriage in the USA lasts only 4 years. 7 year mark is also a pretty popular drop off point.

[Yyyyu]

I was saying rich women because you won't need to give them alimony. anyway it don't matter if you are telling them about it (way better than guys who waste girls time and lie)

[Anonymous]

Of course not. My dad has always told me that marriage is a promise to commit and to try your best. You become a family unit, two heads are better than one, and more efficient. If you're talking marriage vs co habiting then it's up to your preference. But if you want something comfortable, loving, children etc, marriage is better than co habiting.

[bamesjond0069]

"But if you want something comfortable, loving, children etc, marriage is better than co habiting." But why?

[Aakash_Hangargi]

But why you ask?

Do you believe in god or something spiritual? @bamesjond0069

[bamesjond0069]

@Aakash_Hangargi well in my opinion its a non answer. She just says it like its obvious. If its so obvious lets hear it.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Lol I had a different set of answer if you had replied what I asked for 😹

[bamesjond0069]

@Aakash_Hangargi i do believe in God. I do think there is a difference between religious marriage and legal marriage.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

So why how would you feel with God in your life and God not being in your life

[bamesjond0069]

@Aakash_Hangargi how i "feel" is mostly irrelevant. Nor do I see how belief in God or not makes much difference to the question.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

I will make it relevant of you want to know just answer

[bamesjond0069]

@Aakash_Hangargi "@Aakash_Hangargi i do believe in God." ^^^^

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Buddy the second question

[bamesjond0069]

@Aakash_Hangargi "So why how would you feel with God in your life and God not being in your life" this? Im not sure what you're asking.

[Opinion Owner]

My point was that marriages are better for children than co habitation. If you want children that is. It's safer, and gives children more security. Both parents also feel a higher responsibility to their kids when married. You can look it up, what I'm saying is true.

[bamesjond0069]

So marriages are for women... and children. Not for men.

[Opinion Owner]

Don't you think you're a bit stuck in your own opinion? My dad is the earner in our family. So it's much more efficient for him to focus on his career and not think about what he has to cook for dinner. So for 20 years, my mum has done all the cooking and laundry so he can concentrate. He's done amazingly well, and couldn't have done without being part of a family he could support him. Everyone has their own role to play. A team is much more successful than an individual don't you think?

[bamesjond0069]

I agree. And in the past that was a valid point. They called it playing house and it was something many women would not do if they weren't married. Now marriage is not necessary to have a woman keep the home for you. And as a double whammy, most women would not tolerate that arrangement today and expect the man to do his own laundry, nor do they know how to cook well. So for some men they aren't even able to find a girl that would have such a situation whether they marry or not. And for other men we can find such a situation completely separate from marriage. So back again whats marriage have for men (that just being in a relationship does not)?

[Opinion Owner]

@bamesjond0069 my response would be you're not looking for the right girls. I think there are plenty of women who prefer a lifestyle where they earn similarly and split household work. There are also other women who would like the opposite. You've got to look for the lifestyle that would suit you. For example, I'm still in university studying law, but my boyfriend is 9 years older than me and doing well in his career in banking. I'm very much open to keeping house and cooking once married if that is what would suit us better as a couple. The only thing I will not to his clean his toilet though, you should never expect your wife to clean your toilet. Lol random side note.

[bamesjond0069]

I got that but whats that even have to do with marriage? Im 34 and i can count on my hands how many times I've done a total house clean myself and its just been once or twice in between girlfriends. So please tell me how marriage is going to get me a woman to clean my house for me? My house already is cleaned by my girlfriend.

[Opinion Owner]

@bamesjond0069 Well not going to lie you're aiming for super low value women. I've cooked a few times for my boyfriend because I'm good at it but I'm not cleaning his house. He has a cleaner anyway.

[bamesjond0069]

How are they low value if i get more benefits? Error does not compute.

[Opinion Owner]

@bamesjond0069 Oh wait I did't mean it quite like that. If marriage holds no value for you then I don't see why I should keep trying to change your mind. But for me it's something important.

[bamesjond0069]

Well you're a girl. So you clearly missed the entire point here. See OP "Marriage is only for women. Change my mind?" You explained how its good for women and its good for kids and in a round about way how many many years ago it once maybe had benefits for men. So do you agree it has no benefits for men today? Or do you have a reason why its good for men still?

[Opinion Owner]

@bamesjond0069 Depends what kind of man, as I can see you're happy without a proper commitment, that's up to you. But I know my boyfriend has plans for marriage for us, because he does want that.

[bamesjond0069]

Ok. Still doesn't offer a reason why marriage is for men. And whats so good for men about me making a proper commitment to someone who has no responsibility to fulfill her part of the commitment? Still totally confused here what you're even talking about.

[Opinion Owner]

@bamesjond0069 Well, you have to find a woman who wants the same commitment as you do, the same goals as you do. And if that's marriage then go ahead. What I'm trying to say is, if you're convinced that marriage isn't for you, then it's probably not, that's fine you don't have to get married.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Ok let me put it like this marraige is like religion if you want to find god you would follow some religion which has principles and process to be closer to God it makes your belief stronger religion is a constraint that keeps you bonded to god when you are loosing hope and faith the values of religion reinstates and strengthen your belief in God.

Hence in similar ways marraige is a constraint and a remembrance of your vows and love and reaffirms the strength and love and beilief that why you chose to dedicate your life to that person.

There will be lots of times in life when you feel like this is it and you wanna quot or take an escape which would be situational feeling and not your true desire.

Sometimes we all do is find easy way out.

But if you are bonded and binded by an belief that is marraige you will try to be more responsible and dutiful and loving caring etc etc bc you made a promise and that those moments were you chose to share your life will flash back to you and give you the courage strength to push through life and the hard situations

[bamesjond0069]

@Aakash_Hangargi i think you are way off base and that comparing religion to marriage has no similarities at all.

[bamesjond0069]

"if you're convinced that marriage isn't for you, then it's probably not" no im practical. I like to make a pros and cons list before i do things. I cannot think of one item for the pros column. Nor can anyone seem to be able to communicate to me what one might be. Im starting to think marriage is just for people who can't communicate because y'all just explain it the same way... "its better" and other nonsense terms that have no meaning. You literally did say its better and i asked how and you were not able to give an actual reason except how its better for everyone except men. I get that women find it useful but in the context of men its not "better" or else you could simply state why in a concrete straightforward way i could write down on a pros and cons list. Now on the other hand i can write out cons: expensive wedding, lose half my stuff if get divorced, alimony, can't just leave if she turns crazy or lazy or fat or whatever. Those are all concrete specific negatives to marriage. So again are there pros for my list?

[Aakash_Hangargi]

@bamesjond0069 tell me how I am off base also the marraige thing is installed by religion itself

[Aakash_Hangargi]

And what I meant was it's a beilief that keeps people binded together to move forward when even you doubt yourselves

[Seinna]

If you don't want to get married then you probably wouldn't be a good husband and therefore it's better that you don't. It's not something that an outsider can change your mind on with arguments. Just be upfront about it with the girls you date.

[Anonymous]

Yeah it's true. This is the reason why all men are being forced and harassed to propose to a woman with a ring he brought
Obviously men are so weak that they don't have their own minds to speak and say I DON'T while getting married

[msc545]

Women have all the advantages of marriage and men have none. That is why smart men never get married.

[Nazgol]

No. Of course it's for men too. You can get married, have kids who will be your blood and expand your genes, get a raise at work. Are those not good things?

[innerman]

aaaa!!!

[Asker]

Not for me. Raise at work is questionable.

[innerman]

Why is it questionable 😇

[Asker]

Why would marital status be an influence towards salary?

[innerman]

I dnt know’
your boss thinking u need more to support your family.

[Randalama]

@innerman Is that still a thing?

[innerman]

@Randalama i dnt know. it all looked right when @Nazgol put it in a sentace

[Randalama]

@innerman What a fabulous answer!

[ElizaPam]

Men evolved to spread seed and they sure act like it

[Miah02]

I don't care enough to change your mind.
Do what you want with your life

[TheFlak38]

I don't have to change your mind. It's true. Men get nothing out of it. It's all about serving the interests fo women.

[Anonymous]

Why? Women do most of the household work give birth to kids emotional support and subsidies guys life example if he want to buy a home than she can help him

[Asker]

We can do all that ourselves minus childbirth.

[Opinion Owner]

How would you subsidies your lifestyle? Extra money for it (women provide it) and what about emotional support?

[Asker]

I never heard of subsidies. Had to open up a dictionary for that. Still unfamiliar how this would work. Extra money from women? How is that gonna be?
As for emotional support, that's what (platonic) female friends are there for :)

[OddBeMe]

sex for life without working hard for it? you're losing out...

[Asker]

Ask the guys in a sexless marriage 😂😂😂

[OddBeMe]

That’s a loveless marriage. And maybe divorce and find a better life.

[PinkMichae]

You get better tax breaks. 😆

[Adam1978]

That is a very local thing. No tax breaks in Sweden.

[ChocoBat]

No, the promise is mutual.

[read12]

That doesn't make sense

[tatianamay]

It’s your wish, man. Who cares?

[BladeStormz]

True it benefits women more than men.

[JosyJosy]

unless it's a straight couple

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

Kids, are only for men. Change my mind

[Sketti2021]

That's plain silly