Why do men get so angry with women for screening men based on money/job security, when men screen women for appearance (something they can't improve)?

[Bethany22]

I mean isn't men's screening technique the more ruthless one in reality? Because at least men can do something to change their income situation. Women on the other hand, cannot change the appearance they were born with. Sure, they can wear makeup, but on some women, makeup just makes them look like drag queens. So honestly guys. The next time you complain that a girl doesn't want you due to your income situation, ask yourself if it's karma coming back to haunt you. Now I'm not saying that ugly women would be more accepting of your income situation than an attractive woman, but that's probably no different than the way you wouldn't start preferring ugly women just because you're poor.

[Unit1]

It's fine having some standards when choosing your mate. You don't want to be with someone to live under a bridge or in a roach infested room, that was inhabited by drug addicts and alcoholics and losers while all he does is flipping memes, prestiging on Call of Duty or Fortnite and wasting his time on youtube or whatever.

Each man draws his line (if at all) when it comes to finances or feeling like being your primary wallet. Some men literally marry gold diggers and some men screen them out by splitting the bill or going dutch on first dates or going on free dates. I don't see a point getting angry about it. If a man was foolish enough to be used for a free meal and gets angry about it, then that's on him for enabling it and he deserves it. It's that simple. There is a reason we all have a front door for our homes.

[RavVid]

Our #1 screen is do we get hard over you? You are good to go if we do. We aren't as picky as what you are suggesting in appearance. We are more picky in the type of woman you are - that is far more go/nogo than appearance.

Height is a characteristic that is unchangeable and one in which women seem to be picky about currently. Quite obviously it is not going to work if all women want a man in the upper 10%tile of height. But that is your choice to make.

[RoseySarah]

Really guys get mad about anything and they are free to scream about it be nasty and a key board warrior 4 life.

Great question!

No man paid me much attention cause my sister was the prettiest girl in school.

Took my amazing husband to even say I was pretty 😍. I'm so not ugly but just my sister getting all the looks now older losing that attention quickly.

It's so shallow and all guys care about online or off line.

At least here in judged on my advice and things I do.

Really guys get but hurt about jobs cause they are happy where they are or feel they can never do better. Just go down hill and most just wanna be lazy!

Especially my race 😅

[Avicenna]

LOL, women screen men for looks just as much as men do women if not more. Men get screened by women for much more and much more throughly.

[nastyb]

thats not true. men place much heavier emphasis on looks compared to women.

[Avicenna]

@nastyb: If you want to deceive yourself, go ahead. In the real world, it's like that.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

says the guy who only dates women 20 years younger...

[Avicenna]

@nastyb: LMAO, no wonder you jump to conclusions! I do prefer to date younger women, but that's because they're much less likely to be single moms and can still have kids. That doesn't mean i only date them (I wish!). So even that is not even about looks.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

if you're 53, younger women already have kids. Most women in 30s-40s already have kids.

But lets face the truth, you want younger women cuz they look better.

[Avicenna]

And, by the way, as you know, it's much easier to find a younger woman who is willing to date you if she finds you attractive.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

i wouldn't say a lot of younger women go for old guys. Its just that old men like you refuse to date a woman unless she is a lot younger.

[Avicenna]

@nasty: I'm not 53, but no matter. Younger women in their 20s and 30s who have professional jobs (the pool from which I prefer date) are less likely to have kids, and by the time they are in their 40s (which isn't much younger than me), they are getting close to being past childbearing age or are already past it. And it's easier to meet a woman who is currently a student (typically ages 20-25) than any other group.

Younger women aren't always more attractive.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

do you really think women 20-25 would go for an old guy in his 50s? not very likely

but i know old guys like you would immediately jump if any girl that age pays any attention to you.

you're just the typical shallow old guy.

[Avicenna]

@nastyb: There you go again, making assumptions. I do date women my age (and even up to 5 years older); however, besides not being able to have kids anymore, they're divorced and often still pissed off about it. It's really hard to build anything serious with them (they're more into hookups and casual stuff than even the women in their 20s).

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

by the way, young girls that age typically are immature and are just looking to play the field. They're not looking to get married in a few years.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

there are plenty of childless, never married women your age. you just don't pay any attention to them.

[Avicenna]

@nastyb: I am well aware of that and proceed accordingly, but not all are (you might be a bit surprised). If you actually noticed the age group in which I'd prefer to meet a woman long-term, I've said it's women in their 30s.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

because you're a shallow asshole. like i said, don't try to deny it.

its not uncommon for old guys to only date women 20 years younger.

[Avicenna]

Most women 20-25 won't be interested in guys my age, that's true. But most of them wouldn't want to date me if I were 25, either. And that misses the point anyway- you aren't trying to date everyone, nor can you.

And it's one thing to know that someone is a certain age, and it's another to meet them in person, where you have a lot more to go on.

[nastyb]

quite funny how you change from only wantin to date 20 yr old women then now you change to 30 yr old women.
what about women in their 40s? are they too unattractive for you?

[Avicenna]

LOL, project much? It's clear that it's you who is shallow. I've even said it isn't about looks like you assumed, and you're still repeating the same nonsense. What do you care- if you're right and no one's interested, why keep blathering about it? Doesn't show much confidence.

Ah, yes, childless never-married women in their 50s. Yes, I mess around with them, too. But guess what, they generally aren't interested in anything serious and don't stay in whatever casual relationship they get into for long (and they'll even admit it upfront usually). So, again, not about looks.

To illustrate- I met a 55-year-old women when I was 47 who was childless and never married. She just wanted friends with benefits, with me accompanying her to social events and having sex with her.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

thats not unheard of. men use older women for sex while they try to marry a woman 20 years younger.

older women are more likely to be used for sex because old men don't want to date them.

yea... as if there are never any childless women in their 40s. I've seen plenty of them over the years. You just won't consider them at all because they're not young enough for you.

there's no projection here at all. just stating PURE FACTS. and i can tell you can't stand the truth

[Avicenna]

@nastyb: Well, are you going to change the laws of biology? Are you going to make those 45 year olds fertile? No, you aren't.

And the fundamental flaw in your attitude is that you think everyone has to go along with your very narrow worldview.

[Avicenna]

It is projection- your personal view is that men older than you are unattractive. Now, that's fine when it's your personal view, but assuming that everyone else shares it is naive. There's your problem.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

well. you were obsessing over 20-30 yr old women on here. I never saw you obsess over women in their 40s-50s. Plenty of women in 50s have grown kids that moved out of the house. I don't see you tryin to date them.

[Avicenna]

But a childless 40-year-old woman with a professional job who wants to have kids, yeah, sure, I'd definitely be interested. But absolutely no older than that for trying to have kids.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

you're so unrealistic. who the hell would want to have kids with a 53 yr old man? you wouldn't even be able to support a child for the next 20 years. In a few years, you wouldn't even have the energy to keep up chasing after the kids.

[Avicenna]

@nastyb: Well, the women in their 50s whose kids are out of the house sometimes are still supporting them and, of course, they can't have kids. I did meet one I really liked though, but she lived two hours away. And these women in their 50s, as I pointed out earlier, are often still not over their divorce and aren't in a good place to date.

Who do you know obsesses over women in their 40s and 50s? And I don't "obsess" over the younger ones, you're clearly projecting again.

[Avicenna]

@nastyb: LOL, so you think you know my energy levels. Tell you what, work out with me and see if you still feel the same way. And I do plan to work into my 70s (my father is 81 and still works full-time).

The case for having a kid with me? Because I am a father who invests a lot of time and energy in his kids. And maybe we have similar philosophies. Does that describe all women? Nowhere close, but, again, I am not trying to be all things to all people.

So, yeah, maybe I don't find a compatible woman to have a kid with. But it's not unreasonable just because you think so.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

there are more single women in their 50s with kids who moved out of the house than young women in their 30s interested in 50 yr old men.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

just because your father ended up like that, it does not necessarily mean you will end up like that. Vast majority of people in their 50s are looking to retire soon, not looking to take up another whole new career

[Avicenna]

That may well be the case (I'm not assuming it, though), but those numbers are anyhow irrelevant.

[wolfcat87]

Eastern Europe and Russian are known for men being as ugly as sin and still getting wives because no one cares. But, their women must dress like movie stars to leave the house in some of those countries.

[Avicenna]

What you claim "vast numbers of people" are doing is not necessarily relevant to me. And you're going to find that lots of people who hoped to retire earlier can't due to the rising cost of living. Plus I have professional goals I'd like to achieve.

And, no, maybe I am not going to end up like my father. But why assume I won't? People in their 70s are much more active these days than people in their 70s where when I was a kid.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

the chances of you finding a woman in her 30s wanting to have kids with a soon to be retiree is very slim. I don't know who would be dumb enough to make a decision like that.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

you still have "professional goals" because you haven't reached your goals. And chances are, you're not even financially stable if you're gonna say something like that. Most men by your age have reached their career goals already and are looking to mentor / retire within a few years.

[Avicenna]

I don't know anyone other than you who's dumb enough to think people my age are about to retire en masse. And obviously someone wouldn't do that if they had a young child, unless they could afford to.

[Avicenna]

A large number of my colleagues are older than me and enjoy their work.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

you can't even afford to raise a child. I can tell you're not financially stable either. why would any woman want to have kids with you? you're hoping for something that is out of your league.

by the way, your employer is the one that decides whethor or not they want to keep you on the job. you can't just say you want to work till you're 75 because you want to. if your employer sees a decline in your performance, they WILL retire you regardless if you like it or not.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

most people your age are planning their retirement.

[Avicenna]

@nastyb: And there you go again, assuming things. Ever heard of second or third careers?
Most men my age are not looking to retire, and even if they are, that's their decision and I choose otherwise. One of my colleagues is 76.

[Avicenna]

@nastyb: PLANNING retirement? LOL, I started doing that when I started saving for it when I was 19.

But let's test your claims:

www.bls.gov/.../...or-force-participation-rate.htm

Looks like labor force participation rates are pretty steady until mid-60s, and even then, a significant number of men are working.

[Avicenna]

Interestingly, despite having higher life expectancy, women over 65 are significantly less likely to be working than men over 65 are.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

they are working not because they want to work. its because they can't afford to retire.

Most people WANT to retire by the time they hit their early 50s. They are planning where they will go, live, do in their retirement.

If you can't afford to retire, you should not be thinking about supporting kids... its just unfair to the children.

Your employer can force you to retire at any point regardless if you like it or not.

don't assume that just because you want to work, your employer will let you work.

[nastyb]

Many old people have to go to work even if their bones hurt, cannot get out of bed, struggle to walk. why? because they can't afford to retire, not because they don't want to retire.

[Avicenna]

@nastyb: Yeah, sure, because you know everything and it's all monolithic to you.
So, surprise, surprise, your claims about me being close to retirement are shown to be false.

Also bear in mind that Social Security and pensions may be less generous when I am of retirement age. Not that people who struggle to walk are generally the people over 65 that you see working. Someone who worked in construction might be in a very different situation than someone who was an accountant.

Now, as to your assumption that I will be fully dependent on the grace of an employer, let's keep in mind people do own their own business and do consulting gigs. Remember I mentioned having a 76 year old colleague?

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

Because mental acuity, ability to handle stress, work all day ability to get out of bed / walk deteriorates as you get older.

as far as you're concerned, if you're in your 50s and you still havcen't hit your career goals, it likely means you're not even financially stable.

the last person on earth wanting kids should be you. you are in no way shape or form fit to be a father. Only an insane woman would want to have kids with you

[Avicenna]

@nastyb: I knew you'd drop the mask eventually and show that you are as hateful as you are narrowminded and arrogant.

Fortunately, most people aren't like you. No wonder no man wants you and you're sitting at home on a Saturday hating on me.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

if you think stating the truth is called "hating on you" then this tells a lot about your lack of maturity.

[Avicenna]

@nastyb: You need some serious counseling on improving your communication skills if you don't realize when your comments go from merely delusional to being hateful.

And you can't even keep your delusions consistent with each other. Going a bit further back, you even advised me to adopt some single mom's kids!

Yoru expectations and inflexibility aren't shared by all women (not that I'd date you in a million years).

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

I think you're delusional if you don't think that you will ever age or that anyone would want to have a kid with a financially unstable, soon to be retiree.

[Avicenna]

@nastyb; You're still not making sense (even after I have showed you figures that prove men my age aren't usually about to retire)- you claim I'm financially unstable, yet about to retire. Are you feeling OK? Maybe you need to get tested for COVID.

[Djaay]

nastyb... You do know what your talking about. Your perception is based on pity and resentment , not facts or truth.

[Djaay]

Don't know *

[nastyb]

@Djaay

weren't you the 60 yr old man who married a 17 yr old girl? i remember you. haha
I'm not the one who is angry. You're the one who is angry that someone is pointing out on your shallowness.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

the truth is hard to accept...

[Djaay]

Your recollection is not right at all. Although what should anyone expect from someone as yourself.

[Djaay]

8 years later we are both still married and happy together. What's your excuse?

[Avicenna]

@Djaay: She can't get a man... at all. How awful a person do you have to be to be unable to get a man as a woman in your 20s? Pretty damn awful.

@nastyb: You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you as hard as a tsunami into next week.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

The most hated people on earth are those who speak the truth

[Djaay]

Yup , by those who have no God in they're sky and are as stupid beyond stupid.

[Avicenna]

@nastyb: You ain't one of them... not even in your dreams

[nastyb]

@Avicenna

haters are gonna hate...

[Avicenna]

@nastyb: And you are the biggest hater out there.

[Djaay]

And your hatred illuminates my love for others , enhances it , exalts it and shows others as an example of how putrid the absence of love can adjudicate the boundaries of articulate stupidity and how evil one may be.

[blueonblack22]

“Because at least men can do something to change their income situation. Women on the other hand, cannot change the appearance they were born with”

Yes that’s true above but here are a few different ways to look into that:

• Women who are born attractive did nothing to earn it they just got lucky. Other then staying in and taking care of their bodies (which everybody should do regardless) they did nothing to earn this incredible privilege. They will never realize how lucky they are until their looks are one day gone.
• Men get judged on looks as well. Not to the extent women are but still an unattractive man will often get labeled “a creep” just for saying hello to a woman. How often do men label unattractive women “creeps” for saying hello to them? A good looking man is given a ton more leeway to be flirty (and often aggressive/inappropriate) and not get judged for it. This can directly impact a man’s self esteem and confidence one way or another.
• We are supposed to live in a “gender equal” society in the west. Women now have more opportunities in education and career advancement then any time in human history. This has been pushed so far that often under qualified women get preferential treatment in promotions over men. But despite all this many women are still looking to be financially supported by men. Why? Seriously why? Is it just because you have a vagina entitles you to money
• Yes men can change their income situation but so can women. The so called “wage gap” exists because most men no damn well that nobody is going to bail them out financially. We work harder and hustle more because we have to. We don’t get “paid more because we have penises” (fuck you on that one feminists. Really). No. It’s been on men for all of human history to provide so we do what it takes to do so.

Equality means EQUALITY ladies. You can not nor should not have higher expectations for the man you date when it comes to career/financial expectations then you have for yourself.

Now if you want to date a sugar daddy 20 years your senior then fine. But you are not entitled to “respect” in that scenario. You are no better than a prostitute in that arrangement. You shouldn’t be looked at any differently. So quit putting lipstick on a pig.

Anyway I truly believe women are struggling to overcome all of this due to evolutionary issues. There was a time in history where women had to look to men to provide and protect them. So at a subconscious level they are still looking for this even when it’s unrealistic and unfair in the modern world. You can’t undo thousands of years of evolution in just a few decades.

[Anonymous]

Because women's "requirements" as seen in countless street interviews are ridiculous. Women seem to expect a six figure income before they'll even consider a second date but if they guy has the "audacity" to require she bring more than her presence in his life to the table he's "unreasonable".

A high value man wants a high value woman. Simple as that. And honey, spending time doing your hair to grace him with your presence is of zero value!

I'm 51 and married, but suppose for a moment something happened to my wife and now I'm looking for a new partner.

I own my home. No mortgage on it and minimal debt. My car may not be too flashy, but I don't owe anything on it. I have my own business I'm just starting up after 20 years in an unrelated field. I'm not rich, but I can provide for my son and I've got enough to be able to be a single income household if I were to remarry.

Now suppose I meet two girls 15 years younger than me. One is vacuousness personified. Immaculate hair, nails, thousand dollar shoes and a minidress on a figure that says "fuck me". She lives off what daddy either left her or gives her.

The other girl is attractive as well. Pretty features but no heavy makeup. She clearly dressed "up" for the date but she wouldn't spend a thousand dollars on any item of clothing. If she was wearing the first girl's outfit her figure would be saying "fuck me", but what she's offering is a partnership of equals.

For me, I'd probably not stay for dinner with the first girl. And she wouldn't spend enough time talking and listening to find out I'm an amputee.

Men - mostly - are sick of going into a relationship where there's an 80% chance she's going to leave the second there's an issue to overcome. We're not angry. We just don't have time for the entitled behaviour of some preening bimbo who thinks a day's work means shopping. Probably for shoes.

[nastyb]

yea... old guys only wanting to date a woman at least 15 years younger... not surprising. Then you're the one complaining that women are entitled.

[JacobJordan]

@nastyb my wife is older than me. What happens now?

[nastyb]

@JacobJordan

most men are married to wayyy younger women. sorry to burst you bubble

[Opinion Owner]

I never said "at least 15 years younger" almost everyone I know is in that age bracket simply because we're in the same parenting groups because it took 15 years before my wife and I managed to finally have a baby so I'm 51 and my kid's in primary school.

BUT

All the couples I know where there's an age gap of over ten years the wife is older. The oldest couple I know celebrated 68 years of marriage when she died aged 97. He was devastated and passed away the next year aged 85.

But to return to your initial insult...

As I initially said, straw polls show most single women insist the guy earns six figures before they'll date him. In most industries that puts him over 40 and mid six figures would be closer to 50.

My current business plan will have my business turnover in the high six figures in three years.

The "girls" 15 years younger than me are closer to 40 than 30 - or did you miss that? A woman of 35+ dressing in a way that just says "fuck me" has no value to me. And 15 years younger than me is the MOST I'd consider, not the least.

Your assumptions show your own prejudices, not mine. Your belief about what you're owed, not mine.

Remind me, based on your answers and assumptions which of us feels "entitled" again. Please, educate us...

[nastyb]

@Opinion owner

[As I initially said, straw polls show most single women insist the guy earns six figures before they'll date him]

you have literally no proof that this is true. Only the youngest, hottest girls are able to afford such high standards... the typical ordinary 30 to 40 yr old woman would not have such high standards.

from your answer, you just said you were only willing to consider women 15 years younger. This alone says it all.

[nastyb]

[All the couples I know where there's an age gap of over ten years the wife is older. ]

I can show you statistics that would disprove this. In vast majority of marriages , it is the man who is usually older. For men, after a divorce, they usually remarry a woman significantly younger than his first wife. I can present a study that proves this too.

[nastyb]

@Opinion owner

Tying the knot again? Chances are, there’s a bigger age gap than the first time around

www.pewresearch.org/.../

[Opinion Owner]

I'd be fascinated if you can find statistics on my friends and family that disprove my statement referring to my personal experience of the couples I know personally.

And yes, it's a well known fact that if a man remarries, whether he's divorced or a widower, it's usually a younger woman. There's a good reason for this: the women his age are generally married or dead.

Besides, you never actually answered my initial point.

What does a modern woman bring to the table besides the 4:1 ratio of a divorce where she takes half his property and income in the 50/50 ratio of marriages that end in divorce?

Your focus on the hypothetical age gap - which I didn't say was all I was prepared to consider, I simply thought about my current group of friends. Find me a straight 50+ woman who's single and prepared to consider a guy of her age that's got a kid just starting primary school. Oh yes, did I mention I'm disabled? - is bizarre, but not uncommon for someone under 30.

If your age on your profile is true - 25 - then my last employment was only slightly shorter than your entire life.

I digress...

Men whose wife died tend to marry younger women so they are less likely to face that pain again. Yes, it's selfish. The more people you love that you have to say goodbye to that way, the more you try and avoid it. It's human nature to avoid pain. Trust me, it doesn't work.

Just as a tiny aside, if my wife died and I had to remarry one of my current friends, the most likely one is 3 years older than me. I don't care about age.

[nastyb]

@Opinion owner

[And yes, it's a well known fact that if a man remarries, whether he's divorced or a widower, it's usually a younger woman]

The study shows that when a man REMARRIES, his second wife is usually YOUNGER THAN THE FIRST WIFE.

so what does this prove? looks do significantly matter to men, to a a massive very shallow extent. If a 5 years younger woman is not "young" enough for you, you must go for a woman at least 15 years younger...

[What does a modern woman bring to the table besides the 4:1 ratio of a divorce where she takes half his property and income in the 50/50 ratio of marriages that end in divorce?]

because marriage treats women unfairly. Nowadays, women work 40 hours a week, pay bills come home to only to do vast majority of the housework, child care. Women make less money after marriage... men make more money after marriage. Studies show that MARRIED WOMEN DO MORE HOUSEWORK THAN SINGLE MOMS.

Single Moms: Less Housework, More Leisure Than Married Moms

www.psychologytoday.com/.../single-moms-less-housework-more-leisure-married-moms

Even when earnings are similar, husbands spend more time on paid work and leisure, while wives devote more time to caregiving and housework

www.pewresearch.org/.../

[nastyb]

[Find me a straight 50+ woman who's single and prepared to consider a guy of her age that's got a kid just starting primary school. ]

There are plenty of divorced 50 yr old women with kids grown and out of the house looking to date. But men their age just will absolutely not consider them as romantic prospects. You're only willing to date women at least 15 years younger.

[Oh yes, did I mention I'm disabled? - is bizarre, but not uncommon for someone under 30.]

yea... even disabled old men only want to date women at least 15 years younger... just like how you mentioned in your above post. Now you're saying you're not entitled. Studies have proven old guys only want to date SIGNIFICANTLY younger women. 5 years younger isn't young enough for you, you only dream of women 15 years younger.

[Opinion Owner]

And STILL you choose to ignore my salient points and focus on the age gap I first mentioned instead of WHY I mentioned it.

The vast majority of 50+ people - not just women - who have already done the whole primary school parent bit won't look at someone with a child that age irrespective of if it's a man or woman.

Of my current friends the one I'd be most likely to end up getting into a relationship with us older than me. Funny how you ignored that.

I wouldn't consider anyone younger than 35 because from what I've seen, you're all too immature. Too busy trying to prove that "modern feminism" is right and you can "have it all".

Sorry to burst your bubble, darling. You can't.

The modern feminist movement was designed to destroy the nuclear family, convince women that getting a job for not enough money to be fully independent so they would still marry, then leave the husband but force him to still pay for her lifestyle so both now pay taxes and neither has time or resources to step back for a second and think clearly about how things have fallen apart from where they were 120 years ago when a family of 5 could afford to live off one income and the lady of the house was free to be the one teaching her children moral fibre and strength of character.

Instead today children are learning their morals hacking into Only Fans, Pornhub and Tiktok.

Wow. If that's "freedom" we're all fucked.

[JacobJordan]

@nastyb I absolutely agree I am just wondering why you keep making blanket statements of validity with absolutely no evidence or proof to back up those claims. I brought up that my partner is older simply to prove that your blanket statement "guys only wanting to date a woman at least 15 years younger" is entirely false. I am not the only guy of the roughly 4b guys that has no issues with age

[nastyb]

@Opinion owner

[The vast majority of 50+ people - not just women - who have already done the whole primary school parent bit won't look at someone with a child that age irrespective of if it's a man or woman. ]

vast majority of 50+ yr old women who are divorced ARE SINGLE, and men around their own age won't even consider dating them. The numbers prove this. When older men remarry, it is always a woman who is SIGNIFICANTLY YOUNGER. The numbers don't lie. No point in arguing with statistics.

[about how things have fallen apart from where they were 120 years ago when a family of 5 could afford to live off one income and the lady of the house was free to be the one teaching her children moral fibre and strength of character. ]

and why is it the woman's fault that cost of living has increased? do you blame women for all your misfortunes? why don't I start blaming men for all my misfortunes? take a look at how many people our male leaders have killed in war over the years.

[Instead today children are learning their morals hacking into Only Fans, Pornhub and Tiktok. ]

exactly!!! when men are paying for things like OnlyFans, pornhub, tiktok YET you dare to insist that looks don't matter. LOOKS DO MATTER TO MEN A LOT. THIS EXPLAINS WHY MEN ARE PAYING FOR SUBSCRIPTIONS TO LOOK AT BEAUTIFUL WOMEN.

[nastyb]

@JacobJordan

because there is statistical evidence that vast majority of men do not want older women.

[JacobJordan]

@nastyb see now you are using a generalization based on statistical data vs a blanket statement of validity as a result what you are saying carries factual weight. My job here is done. You are correct that most men want younger women (nothing wrong with that I might add) however something to remember is not all men do nor do all men care about age at all.

[nastyb]

@JacobJordan

there are exceptions to everything. if exceptions mattered more than generalizations, no facts / conclusions will ever be made about anything.

tylenol works for 1 million people, with the exception of 2 people - which it didn't work for.

does this mean tylenol doesn't work? NO!
tylenol works for vast majority of people so this means tylenol works.
you cannot say tylenol doesn't work because it failed on 2 people.

[Avicenna]

www.pewresearch.org/.../

[JacobJordan]

@nastyb which is why sentence structure matters. Saying "Tylenol works for everyone" is a blanket statement of validity with no supporting evidence. Where as "Tylenol works for the majority of people" is a factual generalization. If you intend to debate a topic it is important to utilize that distinction if you wish to be taken seriously. Also most men that remarry younger is typically because they want more children something that biological has a time frame for women. So while looks may be part of it it isn't the only thing.

[nastyb]

@JacobJordan

[ Also most men that remarry younger is typically because they want more children something that biological has a time frame for women]

thats actually not true.

data shows that older men remarry women even younger than his first wife.

this likely means that he ALREADY HAS KIDS from his first marriage.

it has nothing to do with children , it has 100% to do with looks.

[nastyb]

@Avicenna
@JacobJordan

Tying the knot again? Chances are, there’s a bigger age gap than the first time around

www.pewresearch.org/.../

[JacobJordan]

@nastyb who's tying the knot again?

[nastyb]

@JacobJordan

old men who are divorced.

[JacobJordan]

@nastyb oh okay. I am sure many remarry younger nothing wrong with that. I am sure many remarry same age or older as well. Preferences are never a problem what is a problem is when people take issue with others having preferences but then get offended when someone points out that that someone also has a preference.

[TLconcentration]

Good becomes great. Bad becomes worse.

What is a good women and why is it important? A good women is femenine and is someone that cooks for a man, massages him, opens the door for him, pulls the seat for him, grabs the ketchup for him, massages him afetr work. Does whatever she can to please and make sure her man is happy. this does not inclue anything sexual. Most girls are dating tyrants, pervs and coomers now and think pleasing a man = A BJ/FJ which is incorrect.

What does being a good women do? It makes men be more masculine. A more masculine man is full of love, joy, strength power, energy etc. By doing so. he ends up leveling to 10X his income or will be barely at home because you gave him that energy. he will work for you and make a lot of money/ security.

What does being a bad women do? bad women = toxic masculinity and femeninity. it creates tyrants, pervs and coomers and destroys masculine good men. the number of masculine men decreaseas they go into hiding to protect themselves. tyrants are now the majority and braiwnash women to think twerking = hot and whatever is shown is porn makes a man happy. Women will start to hate men becomes of this and not tyrants putting good men and tyrants in the same box. You think tyrants care about their income? All they care about is living a fake blissful life imitating pornography while having women work for them in the office and bedroom.

Grab her head and bang her from behind while choking ehr is real while having low income or high = real.
Kissing making eye contact in a slow passionate delicate manner preventing vulva damage with YOU powering him up to make high salary = fake.

Women are brainwashed. its so simple. Stop listening to the world and its lies. stop sleeping around with tyrants. find a good man. dO ALL YOU CAN TO PLEASE HIM ( NOT SEXUALLY) and watch him power up 10X and make millions.

A good masculine man does not exist if there is no femenine good women. Therefore you ( women) will not have money, security etc. masculinity only exists if women are natural, femenine and not brainwashed by the sisterhood/ society/ media etc.

Right now its every masculine man powers up himself without the women and lives his kings life of 0 COMMITMENT. he makes his money and travels the world being in REAL LOVIGN RELATIONSHIPS WITH multiple WOMEN. So incorrect good men are making money and are using it spiritually connecting themselves to higher consciousness/ god and having real relationship with women who are femenien and please him.1 day a women that pleases him the most will end up with the wedding ring because she's real and she will beenfit 10X by power him up. She will enjoy the money and security.

The wrong way to do it is, " i am a boss botch queen bade and i need no man because tyrants have braiwnashed and missled me. I feel devalued and hate men. I will now work for myself and 10X myself. My dear. Thats what the tyrants want you to do. Use your energy to serve them in the office in the ebdroom. you are falling into their trap.

[Anonymous]

If I look better than them and they say I don't meet their earning requirements, they're not worth a thing. I value people for their person-hood, not their utility; too many women have subscribed to the idea that men are nothing but a wallet and a toy to throw away when they get bored with it - and these women have nothing of value to give back besides fleeting looks; so there's no point wasting time on them when you could be finding someone with a Good Character and Actual Personality.

I'm the natural blonde. I'm the lean one. I'm the tall one. I'm the broad shouldered one. I'm the one with the low body count. I'm the one with morals and sense of duty.

If the only thing they bring is the bare minimum of exercise and an artificially maintained appearance, what reason would I have to interact with them outside of the bedroom, if their personality is non existent, entitled and/or narcissistic? The answer is not only evident, it's exactly what women complain about, "Why won't he stay?"

I do what all respectable men should. Laugh at them internally while the box they made for themselves gets smaller and smaller until it crushes them with age. Let the walls of requirements you built to exclude decent men come back to haunt you, it's only karma.

[Oliverlogan263]

Wokay, deep question. I can see both sides for sure. On one hand, guys want a girl to like them for who they are, not just their money. And looks-wise, it is what it is, so that's kinda shallow too. But at the same time, money and stability is important when you wanna start a family or whatever.

I don't know, the whole thing seems pretty messed up. Ideal is to find someone you really connect with on a deeper level. But we're all human - guys care about looks, girls care about security. Maybe the key is just being honest with each other upfront instead of playing games or getting mad. And also, gotta work on bettering yourself too if you can. Hit the gym, get your career goin.

At the end of the day though, all that shallow stuff don't mean squat compared to really liking someone for who they are, flaws and all. That's the kind of love that lasts, you know? If the chemistry is there, you make it work. My two cents anyway!

[aceleon]

looks belongs to the person itself we want you because of YOUR LOOKS

in case of money it is NOT US YOU WANT İT İS THE MONEY.

also if we have to have a high income to have a chance of getting a woman no self respecting man would go to that path. we want to be seen as a man not a bank account or credit card.

[nastyb]

you never heard of a man leaving / dumping his wife for a younger woman after she gets old ?

[aceleon]

@nastyb again it is still YOURS and HERS, yes nasty situation but it is still about something that is belong to a person not to take advantage of something that belongs to them.

[Flatmanlewis]

I don’t know that I’ve seen this but some people (men and women equally) can sometimes handle rejection poorly.


Truth is, I disagree with the premise of this question on its claim: everybody can improve. A man can improve his economic position, education, fitness, career prospects, housing, style, and grow as a person both mentally & emotionally.


A woman can equally chose to pursue fitness, develop her style and look, and work to be more desirable to a broader swath of the male population, if finding a good man is her goal.


I think, if you’re doing it right, there is a constant self-assessing process going on where you (should) be applying the lessons learned and pushing yourself to be a little better than the previous you.


People will always pursue the best they can get in life. Male or female - it’s almost universal.

[ManOnFire]

Women can't change their appearance? How we all look is going to be how we all look by nature of course, but some things can very much be improved with medicine, diet, and exercise. And I'm not even talking about body weight, but things like acne, double chin, improving eye bags, etc.

Most women care about guys' money not even for important things but wanting a man like that to make herself look good or who will take her on lavish trips that she can post on social media. If women really cared about a man's income as an important part of her life and having a family with a stable man then you wouldn't have women who are actually turning those guys down because they want to have sex with guys they can drive around and aren't employed.

[HawkPerception]

Sorry excuse me? Physical attraction IS something you can improve. You can workout and change the shape of your body, which also removes the fat from your face. You can tell if a girl is fit just by looking at her face. And it's way easier to workout than it is to be financially successful. And women don't just judge men based on financial capability. It's ridiculous what women's standards are nowadays. A guy has to be the whole package. I understand why so many men have taken themselves off the dating market. Women are way too egotistical due to social media and dating apps inflating their egos. They put nothing on the table nowadays.

[Anonymous]

I don't know. I find people who get upset over anyone else's preferences to be the worst kind of hypocritical moron. Like, I literally don't even get upset if a girl isn't interested in dating me because of my race. If that's the case then we're not a good match. PERIOD. I'd rather she retain the right (which she ABSOLUTELY has) to reject me based on nothing more than my race (or my height, or my wealth, or whatever) and also retain MY right to reject any girl for any reason whatsoever, than to have a situation where there were some "limits" placed on her ability to reject me but where I ALSO had to be limited in my ability to reject.

Why there are people who don't see the logic in this, I don't get.

[molonski2]

Well they certainly can improve appearances , health , fitness , diet , exercise , presentation , being the correct weight , and by correct I mean genuine correct.

As for wanting men to have good prospects , good job , understand financials , be achievers , I dont have any problem at all with that.

[PBandJ_Nerd]

I honestly can't say. Maybe they're worried about gold diggers or getting taken advantage of financially? That's my only guess. But financial wise, I only care about if they have enough money to pay their bills, eat good food, be hygienic, etc. But that's because I'd want my partner to be able to take care of themselves. And in order to do that, you need a good amount of money from a good job. That's more important than spending it on me (my parents take care of me).

[NathanDavis]

I don't screen for looks, I don't get screened for bank accounts...

never been in this kind of superficial relationships myself...

now... appearance can indeed be improved and sometimes dramatically, but that goes the same for both men and women

[Anonymous]

exactly!!! men call women gold diggers for wanting a rich man. YET, these are the very same shallow ass guys who only want women 20 years younger. The very same guys who criticize women for being overweight are the very same guys who hate on women for wanting tall men.

fact is... men are more likely to be sociopaths / evil than women. This is why they start wars and bully women.

[Fireguy17]

because they don't meet those specifications?
I went out of my way not to show what I had, I used my older pickup truck on dates, got to know them well before bringing them home if I was really interested in them.
others if it was just a hook up it really didn't matter what they thought.

[Joshydavid25]

Well, because some women take it way too far.. And they want the 10%+ of top income earners.. But that's mainly online.. Most men and women are reasonable and just want somebody to be a companion to them.. Most men aren't looking for super models but just a cute girl that can call their own.. Most women aren't looking for rich guys, but enough to at least show the a guy is independent and stable.

[Pohjolan]

Firstly its objectifying and secondly a man's wealth is not a part of him.

However those who don't want to date gold diggers should just be glad that they expose themselves.

Moreover the majority of American women could improve their looks by just not being fat.

Also sport is a thing as are dermatologists, etc.

Makeup doesn't change a woman's actual looks.

Squats do.

[Amiapowerlessman]

If I get mad I usually get upset at myself if I can’t meet a woman’s standards when it comes to finances, I make about 70k a year but sometimes that’s not enough from what I’ve been told and it’s ok it’s my fault for not applying myself to do better

[Amiapowerlessman]

Some men are just insecure about there income/job security