The Israeli-Palestinian conflict: which side are you on? (Page 2)
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Israel, they are the victims.
All evidence shows otherwise.
Palestine.
It is clear on which side you are
I don't see how you came to that conclusion and however it doesn't really matter does it?
you talk about illegal occupations
I am willing to debate anyone as pro-Israel.
I am pro-Israel, I'll debate anyone pro-palestine.
The explanation is summed by the nature of the world in its current state, where trivial matters such as ethnicity and culture divide and establish countries, Israel has a right to its nationhood, and it is legally sanctioned by the narrative for which states are made sovereign.
Your thoughts on: imeu.org/.../self-defense-or-provocation-israels-history-of-breaking-ceasefires
and: https://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/neff-un.html
and more specificly: itisapartheid.org/.../...tionsInternationalLaw.pdf
as well as this: antiwar.com/.../
Why does Israel have a right to nation hood? Why do they have a right to nation hood at the expense of other nations?
@hellionthesage
Initial rebuttal.
First nationhood and sovereignty is not dependent on the wellbeing of other nations.
I will review the information, and then return with a rebuttal.
But how is soveriegnty created? By force. That is the only way nationhood exists is through brute force. So claiming that Israel has a right to the land that was given to them by a foreign power who themselves had claimed as theirs purely because they had the military might to do so is not a very good argument. By that reasoning if palastine managed to eradicate everyone in Israel then they would have the right to that land. Again not a very good argument since its only a right so long as you have the force to keep it. By your reasoning Israel could be nuked out of existence by America/palastine/egypt/etc. and it would then belong to them.
@hellionthesage
Before we continue our debate, it should be noted, that I identify myself as a world citizen, and believe the world should be a united world nation.
i do not believe in ethnicity or trivial primitive matters that separate us as people.
And I do not believe in maintaining borders, as in I believe in unity.
I only support Israel's right to sovereignty under the current state of things (separated world), I do not want Israel to continue as a country, as I do not believe in countries, but should the world remain separate (for the time being), I believe Israel has the right to exist as a sovereign nation.
I'll get into why, but I'd like to understand your reaction to my beliefs, and separately why you support the claim to and for palestinian statehood, before we go any further.
Upon that, I will explain why I support Israeli sovereignty and oppose palestinian sovereignty
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Also please include how you would establish palestinian sovereignty and statehood.
www.law.cornell.edu/.../statehood_international_law
thenewinternationallaw.wordpress.com/.../
All of these criteria are generally agreed upon, all of which palastine fullfilled long before the creation of Israel within the territory and state of Israel. The only reason for which Israel exists is because of the brute force of Britain which despite Palastine fullfilling all of these requirements, claimed power. It was only with the assistance of Britain, and the americas that Israel was even allowed to come into existence prior to that it did not meet any of these requirments it had neither the population, the government, recognition of other countries, nor the territory to claim statehood, nor did even have the moral grounds of inheritance that is of having there people live their for multiple generations. They literally invaded the region and after sideing with the British when palastine attempted to regain their independence from Britain, they earned favor with the English and that inturn allowed them to take land that did not belong to them.
Nobody cares about that shit
Israel.
Let the down votes come...
Explain.
why? because you disagree with me?
No, I just asked people to explain the choices no matter what they pick.
Because all the Arab countries around Israel have been just trying to annihilate them off the planet. It's not right. Palenstine isn't innocent and neither is Israel when it comes to violence. But the media coverage of this is outrageous, so anti-Israel is horrible.
What if the Israelis came to your country and kicked you out of it? How would you react?
What? It was Europeans who tried to annihilate Jews, that is why they were sent to Palestine.
The Arab countries aren't doing much to attack Israel either.
Well tell that to Britian or whoever gave them the land. And you have a choice as to where you live, Palestinians may not have wanted to live in Israel after the land was given over. But no one kicked anyone out.
You don't know much about the situation there do you? The Israelis did kick off Palestinians from their homes, that's the whole point of the conflict over there.
I have my stance on the issue, and you have yours.
Just facts, dear.
Once again, it's your point of view, "dear".
But if the land were to be returned, where should the Israelis go?
It's not a matter of point of view it's history?
Israelis could either go back to their homes (Achkinazis in Europe and Sepharads in North Africa), or for the ones who lived in Palestine before the creation of Israel, they can just live peacefully with the Palestinians like their ancestors did.
Check the video for facts since you don't know much about it. :)
I honestly don't think it's possibly for Israelis and Palestinians to live peacefully together. It's too far gone, unfortunately.
This issue is just difficult. I am a Jew. I have been to Israel many times. I have grown to side with Israel. I've been taught as a Jew, I must stand with Israel and the Jewish people. I can recognize that both sides are not innocent and have killed and committed bad things.
I'm Jewish, so I of course support Israel
That is a terrible reason to support something. You should support an idea because it has merit, because it is the truth not because of a vague association with it, not because you like the idea, not because your family believes it, only because it is the truth.
Someone's anti-Semitic, apparently
What? You're appealing to emotional fallacy when he was simply stating you a reasonable argument.
Your origin/race/religion has nothing to do with a political conflict. Do some thinking please and come back with real arguments.
PS: stop acting like a victim lmao
I can't take either of you seriously
If you can't respect me, then I can't take you seriously
"Someone's anti-Semitic, apparently" this is an illogical statement both because its an attack on character instead of the argument and because it is irrelevent to the topic. Beign against the political actions of a nation is considerably different then viewing a group of people as inferior due to their religious beliefs. Its also inaccurate as Israel is only 75% jewish yet the criticism is for the countries actions as a whole, or more specificly towards the government and the citizens who endorse it. Claiming antisemitism is an attempt to win the argument by not arguing, not very affective. If you have an argument give it, if not admit you have no argument to back your position. You show know respect to others by attempting to attack their character, even worse becaues you can't argue against what they are saying it shows you don't respect yourself.
None of you respect me