I feel that some people might be biased when it comes to Hitler, why does he have to be vilified all the time? Take a look at some of the good things Hitler could've done
Hitler might of been able to prevent 9/11
Hitler fought in WW1, if the Germans won WW1 then WW2 (and by extension WW3) would never of happened. Hitler tried his best in both world wars so that he could save everyone from WW3
Hitler didn't even want to invade Poland but then Shia encouraged him
When you think about it, was Hitler really a bad guy? Hitler had nothing against the Jews
On top of that Shrek stopped the german trains anyway
Actually, Hitler was a brilliant leader at first. He knew exactly what to do to gain people's trust and earn confidence. He himself built the Third Reich from the ashes of the Second Empire. Of course, his ideas on Aryan superiority and his hate on 'Untermenschen' was inexcusable and he will go down as one of the most evil leaders of history. But looking at him as a strategic genius and political mastermind, you kinda ask yourself how the hell did Germany not win the war with all the equipment and supplies they had...
Everyone makes mistakes. He clearly was a brilliant political leader. But when the war broke out the mistakes he and his Generals made were inexcusable in many cases starting with the escape of the BEF at Dunkirk.
That's true, when you think about it the Germans had all the right tactics and decent equipment. They should of won. Hypothetically where do you think the world would be now if the Germans won the war?
I think that the main failure was the battle of Britian, all the luftwaffe had to do was focus on attacking RAF air fields eventually the RAF would have to give up and then the germans could drop fallschirmjaegers unopposed.
Then they could've used U-boats + along with bombers to attack the royal navy.
I can't imagine how Europe would be in case of a German victory but it would be definitely better than now with the society were traditions and the preservation of European culture would be of the most importance, instead of materialism and legal slavery we experience today.
The battle of Britain is more complicated than it seems for me. The Germans didn't have strategic bombers and their fighter range was too short. Which means that the British could anytime retreat to the north were they kept on training pilots and producing planes and continue the fight from there. We will never know.
mmm. . . Suddenly I'm hungry for bratwurst (you made me think of it)
"We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people"
""It is clear to me now that we have slaughtered the wrong pig"
-Churchill
You know I never thought about that. . . If the British lost ground in the south and somehow lost the London it would do a lot of damage to the economy. it's all speculation anyway. I always like to think about what could've been though
I believe he did many things wrong, he let power get the best of him and then started to eliminate people just because he was racist putting the jews and the slabs at the bottom of the hierarchy, also he wasn't very smart I believe he did not plan things out effectively. In his novel he never talks about murdering all these people AT ALL.
So you think Hitler was all Charisma and no brains? I think his novel proved that he was a anime lover. think about it mein kampf > Kämpfer. Have you watched Kämpfer before?
That's true, some of the logistics in late war Germany. . . all of those resources wasted on railguns. I honestly think all Hitler needed to do to win was to not attack Russia, it was that simple
Like all dictators, he started doing good things for the population, but after a while power darkens your mind and you start to exhibit unsocial to unhuman behaviour. You see the same behaviour with a lot of politicians and CEO's, but democracy or the board of directors prevent them turning into a real dictator.
yeah but CEOs and politicians don't have a final solution which is the mass murder of a race. Hitler's "final solution" was his plan prior to ever holding office. he wrote his "manifesto" while in prison and prior to ever holding office and in it outlined the idea that the Jewish population needed to be removed from the Earth...
The man made 6,000,000 mistakes which can clearly be identified as such; however, he did leave us with a few mediocre paintings, and his grooming was impeccable.
Hitler might of made mistakes but in the end I feel that he accomplished his goals anyway. Even though he lost he won. He humiliated the French and got revenge for WW1. No one thought Germany could do it, they thought wrong
Most of all he humiliated Germany, and they've never been able to live it down. It's as though America had abandoned the Constitutional Republic and proclaimed Charlie Manson our Supreme Leader. Then after 10 years of rounding up and executing all the Cigar Makers in the world declared "dreadfully sorry about all that! Let's get back to the business at hand! It's a very difficult legacy to live down!
The legacy is gone now, the Germans are out for economic domination. I think the Germans can still feel proud, they didn't let the French push them around and they did put up a good fight
yeah he systematically killed 6,000,000 Jewish civilians. so there's nothing to villify there. yes all participants in wwII or any war will kill military and civilians but rarely (and not in WWII) does a country commit mass genocide of a group of people who are not involved in the fighting or aren't casualties of war (which the Jews were not)
argue however you want but Hitler was a monster and anyone who tries to justify, rationalize or even glorify his actions is a scary person
I wouldn't call Hitler a "monster" he's still a human. Hitler didn't exactly have it easy. He fought in WW1 only to come home to a broken nation
There's no way to know how that kind of trauma could've affected Hitler. Think about it, coming home with PTSD, anger, resentment. . . You get my point right?
monster in this case is defined as "an inhumanly cruel or wicked person."
rounding up Jewish people, tearing apart families and enslaving or killing them simply for having a belief system would and should be considered inhuman and wicked behavior
poor guy he fought in WWI and came home to a broken nation. Didn't 100,000s of other German soldiers? By your logic every French, Soviet, English, Japanese, Italian, Austrian, Chinese, Polish, etc, etc person who lived during WWII would have an excuse to kill 6,000,000 without judgment
everyone has a history. some people have far worse history in life than Hitler. we can try and be sympathetic to a person but it doesn't mean their actions aren't worthy of condemnation
That's true but people who have a hard life usually don't end up with that much political power. if you take a dog, abuse it and then let it out it might cause some damage but if you restrain it then it'll die miserably
I wouldn't call it a mystery at all, if you look at post WW2 Germany and the treatment by allied powers. Slap Versailles on top of that, I don't think anyone would've expected Germany to take it lying down
it wasn't a quick death for everyone, most would've been killed instantly but those on the edge of the radius, lets just say that they wouldn't get to rest in peace (it probably would've been a slow death)
The numbers can be disputed, The Germans had years to operate you can't really compare the two
And even if American soldiers didn't do that it still doesn't excuse their war crimes, you have to remember that those who ran the camps were a minority
Hahaha, war crimes. That's such a stupid term. It's war, everything in permitted.
In fact, things like the Geneva conventions scare me. How apt are you in war that you make rules out of it.. like a game? That's just scary.
World War II was not a war of good vs evil has the historians would have you believe. It was like any other war: a event where young men die for old men's gripes.
how can you write that the "mass murder of civilians" is what you care about and then write that "It's war, everything is permitted" & "the Geneva conventions scare me" that's a contradiction right there, explain
In the past there were rules/customs in war without rules things tend to end up. . . barbaric
I agree with that, in the end wars mostly come down to, politics, power, money or all of the above
"how can you write that the "mass murder of civilians" is what you care about and then write that "It's war, everything is permitted" & "the Geneva conventions scare me" that's a contradiction right there, explain "
I'm a firm believer of killing to preserve life. There are people out there who want to kill, that is there goal and there is no reasoning with them. So I have no problem killing them. Killing is different from murder, both have an end result, but murder is killing someone who is NOT a threat... like a civilian.
but seriously, what are you going to do, huh? Or what am I? We can talk about war all day, but the bottom line is we can do nothing about it without picking up a rifle and getting in there ourselves. Since I'm not going to do that (I didn't join the military because I didn't believe in the war), I'm not going to get hung up on this subject.
But of course, it's nice to have a decent conversation for once. I just get really upset discussing things I cannot change. Hurts a lot. No hard feelings, I hope. :D
@TsubasaCorrupted : To get both sides of the story instead of being close minded and satisfied with what we've been force fed through the liberal school system and media.
I'm not going to waste my time picking up a book from one of the worst people in history. If you are asking others to do so, then give them a good reason to be walking around with a mein kampf
@TsubasaCorrupted : I'm ending this conversation here because the moderators have a problem with certain issues. But I'll continue our interesting conversation on religion on the other thread in a bit.
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