Are they redeemable?
Do you think gold-diggers, manipulators and users can change for the better?
Are they redeemable?
This is going to be a long answer. I'll call the group of people being called out here as 'the Sam', and I'll use this name in the gender-neutral sense to avoid he/she and replacing those with they/them/their wherever required. So, here goes:
I believe everyone can change in due course of time given the right influence. Deep down the Sam become who they are because they failed in life at some point so badly that they just wanted to run away from it. And in their desperation to get away from that failure, they subconsciously chose to be one or more of the personalities listed in question.
We need to understand that all of those behaviours are basically survival skills which they cultivated or acquired because they were unable to do the things the way society wanted them to. Yes, in doing so the Sam hurt countless people, but in their view those people were unable to compete with them in their skill-set just like the Sam wasn't able to compete with them in the contemporary skills.
For them to change, the Sam need to be accepted for who they are without being judged for what they do. What I mean here is not forgiveness, but tolerance like - you are what you are, and it's ok. Selfless love and acceptance does miracles and I've witnessed this firsthand.
Their redemption comes from being truthful to the one who accepts them. I know what y'all are thinking - we've done that and it didn't matter. Well, my guess is you did that without knowing who the Sam really were, and you only knew them the way that they wanted you to. It works only if you know who The Sam really are underneath, and then accept that personality.
The Sam are really vulnerable, and they're afraid of being exposed because it will bring them back to the failure they are running from. Once you acknowledge their vulnerability and make them feel safe, they will genuinely try to change as their skill-set will be rendered useless in this scenario - You can't con someone who knows they're being conned, right?
So there you go, that's my unpopular and confusing-as-hell opinion on this.
@dhinchak - bunch of rubbish. Low morals and ethics are something a person is raised with. One can almost say that they are born with low morals and ethics. Such **is** why they behave so. If that wasn't the case everyone would behave like them and gold-diggers, manipulators, etc. wouldn't be the unsavory even undesirable outcasts of normal society.
@BlackBeauty90
Ethics are a universal rule. They don't change - I agree with you on that. Morals do change though. They're what define a person's belief system. Some of such examples are:
1. Many people who grew up eating meat and don't have any kind of health issues turn to being vegetarian/vegan.
2. Many people who grew up following one religion change it when they don't believe in its morals anymore.
3. Many people vote differently in consecutive elections because they believe the party that they last voted for isn't the right choice for their nation anymore.
There are many other examples of that if you look around you.
But I get where you're coming from. You think of morals as something which define a person and determine his future. And that's not wrong. But what you miss to factor in, is the continuous introspection that goes on within each individual about the validity of their own beliefs.
It's not necessary that this introspection would always bring out a major change, but it does bring about minor changes, which may, over a peeiod of a lifetime, turn into something major.
People learn from their mistakes, if they believe they did them. They always strive to be better if they believe they can be.
Hence, morals change and therefore, people change.
@dhinchak - what you listed has little to do with morals or ethics but just a bunch of ignorant bandwagoners following a trend to be "hip".
1) vegetarian - if they knew that the crops they stuff into their fat mouths cause serious diversion of waterways - fruit & vegetables don't fall from the sky - and threaten entire economy systems either by the lack of water or flooding of what were plain areas... they'd starve if they had actual morals.
2) You don't change your religion because of morals. Try to educate yourself. Most major religions preach the same ideology but in different terms. People change their religion because of their ***lack*** of morals and the other religion's vagueness appeals more to their low moral ideology.
3) Has zero to do with morals. Less than zero to do with morals. It simply means that they do not like the platform of the current political leader.
None of what you mentioned is actual morals. Not stealing is morals. Not murdering someone is morals. Find yourself a dictionary so you know what morals & ethics mean.
@bleackbeauty90
I actually took your advice and visited dictionary. com. Have a look for yourself: https://www.dictionary.com/e/moral-vs-ethical/
On the subject of my examples,
1. This article explains better about the carbon footprint left over for growing both food types:
www.vox.com/.../study-going-vegetarian-could-cut-your-food-carbon-footprint-in-half
But apart from that, my point was that a lot of people give up meat as they feel morally responsible for killing them.
2. For the religious conversion part, please have a read: www.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/.../
by the way, I understand and totally agree with your views on this - change of religion is completely pointless. But I was only talking about facts of research here.
3. For political allegiance, you may refer: www.scientificamerican.com/.../
This talks about the moral and emotional messages that parties employ to sway their voters.
Now that I've gone through a lot of reading material, I am sure what you list in the final part of your reply are indeed ethics that govern a larger group of people e. g. law is based on ethics, hypocritical oath is based on ethics, code of conduct in various fields is based on ethics, etc. You may not be wrong here, but stealing or murdering becomes as much a matter of ethics as it can be of morals.
Thanks to your reply, I educated myself further, and feel a lot more vindicated now. š
@BlackBeauty90
Sorry for spelling it wrongly ā there.
@BlackBeauty90 Who hurt you?
@Babewithplan nobody it's called having a brain
@BlackBeauty90 You do come off very defensive.
@Babewithplan Uh-huh. And you come off as very stupid. Would you like a cookie or a dunce cap?
@BlackBeauty90 Typical black girl. Probably been so bullied all your life that now youāre constantly fighting with people lol canāt relate x
@Babewithplan ROFL. Thanks I rather not relate to racist trash like you
@BlackBeauty90 and @babewithplan
Ladies, I'd really appreciate if you stopped being rude and insulting to each other on my thread at least.
@babewithplan
I'm sorry, but being racist is not funny.
@BlackBeauty90
It was a good debate, while it lasted. Thanks.
Here is the best thing about life, when we are born we are given a gift, thst is more powerful than love it's self, it's the gift of
CHOICE,,, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE IN LIFE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU ARE TOUGHT GROWING UP, some parents teach hate. Some parents teach manipulation some parents teach greed. But no matter what you're taught growing up you becoming age where you understand you get to choose who you want to be in life and the things you say and do it's your choice to take one step in front of the other it's your choice to love somebody it's your choice to help somebody it's your choice to give to somebody it's your choice no matter what you do or who you are there comes a point in life where it's your choice you can't blame anybody anymore it's your choice who you're going to be. Yes I think anybody can become anything and do anything they want because it's their choice
@CelineBV Rarely. Just as how it's hard for a thief to stop stealing, etc. Such is why the saying "beauty is only skin deep but ugly cuts straight to the bone" exists.
Low morals and ethics are something a person is raised with. One can almost say that they are born with low morals and ethics. Such **is** why they behave so. If that wasn't the case everyone would behave like them and gold-diggers, manipulators, etc. wouldn't be the unsavory even undesirable outcasts of normal society.
Not all good diggers are bad.. the ones that use men and pretend to love them before breaking their heart yes sure but if itāa mutually known eg. She tells him sheās after money if heās ok with it and likes him and dates him and heāa ok with it, I donāt see how thereās anything wrong with that
Who cares itās her decision, what if she falls in love with him but still wants money?
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I think that they'd need a hell of a wake-up call to even become aware of their behavior, much less find a need to change to be necessary, or even desirable.
After all, if what you're doing is working for you, why should you change, unless you happened to have spontaneously had a spiritual awakening.
I believe people can change if something significant enough in their life forces them to change. But inherently, I believe people remain the same. Also, if I knew they had a history for gold digging, manipulating, cheating, etc, I would not be attracted to them in the first place. I wish there was a label for those types of people. Luckily I haven't been screwed in that sense as of yet.
I think it is a deeply engrained pattern of living that they for some reason developed along the line, because it served some sort of purpose. Yes I do think they can change if they realize that they need to and they put forth the effort. I'm not sure how many actually do change though.
Personally I HOPE THEY WILL CHANGE, but in reality I know they won't.
Because I know people (MEN AS WELL that's why I said people) that married their partners because of money and standards.
It's sick to me, also because I'm used to work and earn money, and it FEELS BETTER to earn your own money.
Sure, I might not be able to afford a Gucci Bag, but who even needs a Gucci Bag when I have a happy life.
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Not really, no. Being such a person isn't a passive decision. It takes a lot of energy and effort. It's like the difference between manslaughter and murder, with murder being premeditated and carefully thought out. So I doubt they'd be remorseful about it. I guess anything's possible, but it just seems unlikely.
Maybe they can, but I'm none of those so I wouldn't waste my time trying to change them. It's not about the action itself, but the kind of person they'd have to be to act it out.
Gold-diggers are not bad people per se, I only see them as bad people if they are fooling/lying yo their partner, if they don't have anything to hide they aren't doing anything wrong.
Having said that, I think yes, I prefer believing that people are always redeemable.
If they choose to.
Usually happens when something happen to them that change them as a person.
Otherwise not really.
People usually only want others to change since it's hard work when they aren't ready. just like addiction.
We also have the thing their attitude prevents them to see they need to.
We could say it's sort of like a personality disorder like narcissist/sociopath. it's something we can develop to and develop away from if we really want to.
It would take a major enlightenment! Once they are used to a certain lifestyle they feel entitled, doing almost anything to maintain it including murder.
No it's a to big character flaw to change. So in practice it will never happen, all you get is different forms of manipulations or way of picking targets. If they change at all.
They CAN but... gold-digging, manipulating, etc... have been a big part of their survival strategies in life that they already tend to do these things on a subconscious level. For them to change they must combine self-control and other ways to survive.
Yes, but don't count on being the person to change them. Sometimes these people change, but it's something they have to choose to do on their own.
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I think if they tried... But they don't try... I think it's easier for some people to just be bad and mean than to try and be kind... it's sad
Anything is possible. Perhaps they can; what I know is that I'm not sticking around to find out!
They are, but it usually takes them having their hearts broken to realise the hurt they have caused first.
Anyone can change, but they have to want to.. Most simply do not want to.
I think so, not everyone, but some. Either way, I wouldn't stick around to find out. They can change for the better with someone else or on their own
Everyone has the potential to change, what matters is if they are willing to put in the effort.
Except cheaters, I'll never accept that they changed.
i like to think that all people can change and that we all can do better but i guess i have seen too many persons who were bad to me so i guess i may go with No,
I voted no, not because they cannot change but because they will almost always simply choose not to.
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