The Prince Charming Factor

[Desconhecida]

A frog will always be a frog...

• Important note:
• This myTake can be controversial since it can be misunderstood. I'm NOT saying every single good guy or nice man is using you or being untruthful. To avoid any kind of wrong comments (and absurdly nasty words), I am already clarifying the topic here is very rare but not a rule. Thanks!

We always talk about how women are raised to be little princesses: delicate, subservient, sweet and especially helpless. Yes, helpless and in need of care. Pay close attention to fairy tales: every princess is in danger.

What about the role of hero, the great savior, the one who changes and transforms the life of the princess? Yeah, him. The Prince Charming.
Interesting that Prince Charming only shows up at the end, and we know little about who he is. But of course, he's the great love of the princess, so it can only be good, right?
The truth is that there are many men who believe to be the saviors of the poor helpless maidens.

They are the guys who suffer from Prince Charming Syndrome.

The Good Guy

The “good guy,” the nice guy who wants to be your friend, who wipes the tears that some other bad guy caused. The expectation of the “Prince Charming” is that one day you will wake up (with a kiss from him, of course) and realize that he is the man of your dreams. He saves you from this miserable life of suffering for the scoundrels. He finds out your deepest wounds and tries to fix them. He rescues you. It's your prince on a white horse.

The plot is known: guy meets the girl, approaches her, plays the role of a friend, does everything the girl wants, sometimes does things she didn't even ask. Try at all costs to anticipate her needs, as a good provider does. As a Prince Charming would. He thinks he knows everything about you and sometimes he thinks he knows more than you do about yourself. Good thing he's on your side to help you in your life, huh?

What would you be without him? You'd probably be lost, poor thing.

Anyway, sometimes the nice guy who's your friend is a nice guy who turns into your boyfriend. And let's face it, this could be a good one. Dating someone you're intimate with, who knows you, who's seen your good and bad side, can make the relationship easier.

Dating your best friend

But those who suffer from this syndrome, when rejected or especially when they get tired of the girl, go through a mutation. Unfortunately, we rarely notice the signs that evidence the syndrome.

Their problem is that they believe that every woman should be honored by his interest and his decision to rescue her from pain. If you don't feel that way, it's because you're a worthless, cruel woman, a heartless nut job who puts the nice guys in the friendzone and will die dry on Tinder waiting for someone nice like him.

Not every nice guy is a Prince

The friendzone, this mythical place where only the cool guys are sent, is the terror of Prince Charming. You've visited it, and you've probably sent several of your “friends” there. That's when you were busy trying to win over someone who never gave you a damn or even thought about you sexually.

The good guy keeps sending “friends” to the friendzone. Girls who like him, standing around in the expectation that one day he will realize that she is his princess. The girls who really begin to be romantically interested in him.

“But she is only my friend, not my type, I did not feel the spark of attraction” is the usual speech when in fact, he only approached her for the adrenaline of the conquest. They say these girls don't fit within the princess patterns he possesses. The highest and out-of-reality patterns that he dreams of finding. All because of a simple emotional immaturity: the inability of having a real relationship.

When they win the girl, they move on and go to the next challenge. If you wonder why many women fall into this game, the reason is that they are usually chosen by their fragile state, past trauma or some other vulnerability that Prince Charming decided to test their healing and rescue skills.

They always want to HELP the girls...

But when the girl is not interested, he rebellious at the fact that this girl used her right of choice to reject him, choosing someone else — but he can choose, right? His narcissistic mentality start thinking the idiotic excuse we only like the bastards!

Finding a nice guy is rare but he thinks how lucky women are to know that there are these enlightened, altruistic beings who free us from bad choices. The guy who saves us, conquers us and then abandons us if we let him into our hearts and who is surprised if we don't.

He is NOT your friend

For men with this complex, beware.

Today I might be the cruel person who broke your heart, and tomorrow you will be the scoundrel who broke someone else's heart. And vice versa. It's life.

If you're in the friendzone all the time, with all the women you've been interested in, have you ever thought about evaluating what you do to always put yourself there? Most of the times a woman wants to be your friend, that's exactly what she wants.

Can she happen to fall in love? She can. It's already happened to me.

Can you happen to not fall in love? You can, too.

For those who have identified themselves with some traits and behaviors, know that using the pretext of “being a friend” when in fact your interest is another, is at least levian. Hurting people for fun or wanting them for vanity is sick.

Maybe you're not this nice guy at the end of the day. Maybe you're just another frog looking for validation.

Thanks for reading!

#scctakes #food4thought

[MannMitAntworten]

Interesting read. Personally I have never been attracted to the “princess”. The woman I am kind of seeing expressed to me one evening that she is a princess. My immediate mental reaction being, “Oh fuck... what did I get myself into?” Historically I steered clear of the princess as I just never felt we were a good match. I have a number of women friends who feel as if jilted princesses (yes, quite attractive) but I still don’t fee drawn towards them. I am not attracted to the helpless/submissive types. I am aggressive. I need aggressive and cunning in a woman. It somehow brings me balance. I don’t feel fulfillment or whatever as a man when my woman ‘leans’ on me for simple task like opening a jar. If anything I admire their resolute drive to figure it out on their own if their own brute force isn’t enough to open it. Which is only further enjoyed when I see the smirk upon their faces when they successfully open it by themselves. A ridiculously small thing but I know how she approaches a small obstacle will be how she approaches a great obstacle and that illuminates a detail of their character which I appreciate to no end. Perhaps odd of me, but I appreciate knowing she can take of things if I am absent or even “passed”. I would hate for to feel a necessity to find another man merely to “take care of her” because she is helpless on her own rather than meeting another because she is once again another’s worth while match and he is her’s.


I do not get into relationships because they attractive, or the sex, or any of the litany of reason given through convention. No, I get involved because they somehow make my life, ‘better’, and bring out the better in me and along the way I hope I do the same in them. Otherwise, I can do this alone. I don’t want a “pet girlfriend”, arm candy, nor a maid.

[Desconhecida]

You are very interesting!

[MannMitAntworten]

I am?

[Desconhecida]

Yes, you are. Your words make sense without insulting other's opinions and you seem to have a lot to say..

[MannMitAntworten]

I am the same offline as I am online. I am nothing if not consistent. I try my damnedest to be clear (albeit I can tell I should edit for continuity at times - mind moves significantly faster than my fingers).

I have no need to be insulting. It’s low hanging fruit. Besides, what’s the point, right? It just ends the conversation which is counter productive and not remotely interesting. Yeah... I do. Typing out what is in my head where only so many characters are aloud definitely is a lesson of thrift of words. Interestingly, in conversing face to dace where the conversation moves significantly faster - especially as I take mental note to revisit then they say something that eclipses that initial mental note this being forgotten. That’s the beauty of ‘engaging’ conversation. I’m a fan.

I appreciate your thoughts.

[Desconhecida]

True! That's why I like the way you write! It's like you were talking to us for real

[MannMitAntworten]

Thank you kindly Desconhecida. I do what I can. ;)

[Godofmyownwurld]

And they never want to believe you when you say you're gay. They either think they can turn you straight or that you're just lying because you don't like them. These kind of "nice guys" are the worst and I distance myself immediately when I find out what they are. They're desperate and deep down they have no respect for women.

[Desconhecida]

A good example, yes!

[Cynicaldreamer]

"The good guy keeps sending “friends” to the friendzone. Girls who like him, standing around in the expectation that one day he will realize that she is his princess. The girls who really begin to be romantically interested in him... But she is only my friend, not my type, I did not feel the spark of attraction” is the usual speech..."I read this part twice, nodding because that is SO true. I've been in that situation so many times it hurts y'all. Ironically those same "good guys" are the main ones that complain about no one wanting them. Yet when a girl expresses interest in said guy: friendzoned (or sisterzoned, whatever the case may be). The same girls that will probably love or treat him better than anyone else he will ever chase after, yet he's not willing to give her a chance... re-state://background_color_rgba (0, 0, 0, 0), font_color_rgb (77, 77, 77), justifyLeft, p

[Desconhecida]

Everything you wrote is right. The same guys who complain about never finding a girl, are the ones who hurt a lot of good girls. They just want the perfect one but who seeks perfection is someone who seeks nothing.

[finallylettinggo]

The same could be said for the woman in this case. The man is generally doing the same as the woman, looking for someone that meets their relationship criteria. If he is friend zoned by the so called princess, then how is that any different than the guy doing the same to the women he is not romantically interested in? Generally if you truly care for someone then you enjoy seeing them happy, even if it is with someone else. It may hurt, but you are still happy for them. I think that is what separates truly good people from the pretender (which can either be the male or female)

[Cynicaldreamer]

@finallylettinggo You're right, we never said women weren't guilty of doing the same. However, for the sake of this mytake, we were looking at it from a female's perspective.

But it sucks, guy or girl receiving it.

[Desconhecida]

True. Men and women can do that. The mytake only talks about a syndrome that affects more guys who can actually become violent when rejected but love to reject people.

[Bluemax]

People should not date people they're not attracted to. And if someone is in another's friend zone, it's because that person doesn't find the other attractive. It doesn't matter how kind, sweet, nice the individual is, or how much *in your opinion* you think they would be great for that person, if the the rejected is not attractive to the rejector for whatever reason (emotional or physical), they are by definition not the right person no matter how well you believe they would treat them. Attraction cannot be forced, and it's their right to reject them. Being kind, sweet, wonderful, isn't any guarantee that the person is going to be attracted to you. There is nothing wrong with rejecting a kind, sweet, wonderful person if that kind sweet wonderful person isn't attractive to you. Emotionally or physically or both.

As for complaining about no one liking you when you have a dozen people in your friend zone, it's still a very valid complaint. If you're not attracted to those dozen people, it is highly unlikely you'll be happy with them. Thus for all practical purposes, having a dozen people you can never be attracted to is much the same as having no one attracted to you.

And not giving someone a chance when you are certain you could never be attracted to that individual is actually an act of compassion. There's an argument to be made that giving someone a chance when you know you could never be into them is actually cruel. The odds of you hurting that individual even more greatly increase.

[Desconhecida]

Very wise!

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Love this take 👍👍
Yeah I know someone who could fit this take almost to a T... I mean who would be dumb enough to tell you they go after people with low self esteem, then try to come at you lolol Mistake there, cuz I don't have low self esteem... 🙂🙂

😂😂😂😂

[Desconhecida]

OMG the picture!!! Hahahah awesomee

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

😁😇😂

[Aakash_Hangargi]

😱😂😂😂😝👍😎

[pervertedjester]

None of this makes sense to me. I get the intro and what your trying to say but beyond the first few paragraphs the thoughts seem jumbled up. And I've read this 5 or more times now. Are you trying to warn women about the syndrome? Trying to show men their missteps? Trying to fix the issue? A mix of everything maybe? Maybe I just can't see the context. Hopefully you can explain it a bit better to me.

[Desconhecida]

I'm not trying to fix anything or show men how they act. I wrote about something real that happens to many women. I even wrote a note saying the take could have many points of view. The fact is there are many men that act like a good guy until they win the girl and lose the interest unless she doesn't get interested, then they start acting like crazy.
It wasn't an attack, trust me.

[SystemOfTheMachine]

This is a bit interesting. You're getting at a some intriguing ideas, but about half way through I did become slightly confused as to what your main point is.

Nonetheless, the examination of the prince charming/princess relationship is something that seems connected to popular culture and some societal norms. The image of a prince charming that you are using also seems to be derivitive of the unfortunate Disney heteronormative dogma that belittles women and sanctifys men as saviors. This idea specifically seems to be corrosive on western society, at least in my opinion.

A prince charming and a "nice guy" seem to be two slightly different entities though they are lumped together in this argument. I personally find it slightly confusing the way these are talked about. Is a prince charming a subspecies of the nice guy or are they the same thing?

Now, in my experience, I would somewhat fall into the "nice guy" caricature. I have many female friends and I treat them with respect, not specifically because they're women, but because they are friends. Do I desire a princess? Hell no. I have a female friend who is the spitting image of the princess trope, and I could never even imagine dating her. I personally want someone who can handle themselves and definitely not someone that needs saving. So, even though I may be a nice guy, or even a prince charming, I don't desire women to be indebted to me or reliant on me in every way.

I think that there are "nice guys" that do it for vanity reasons, but not all.

Either way, nice guys finish last. Women love bad boys. 😭 jk.

This post reminded me of a song from when some youtubers actually had talent:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xfeys7Jfnx8

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Here is another song from my high school days:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vouf6QP2tzU

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[brennanhuff]

Should these dudes be called prince charming though? They may feel they are princes, but they aren't charming. Rescuing women from their problems like you said and playing it like they are a friend is not charming. That word is over used. Not everybody is charming and only a certain amount are I feel. Many are charming to a degree, but very charming, that's a natural trait. It's like many people are funny, but how many are improv brilliant funny like Robin Williams? I'm funny, but I can't "practice" or work to be that way, that's a natural gift Robin Williams had. A charming guy has a humor, a smile, a razor sharp with flirtation but genuine that sparks strong feelings from people he talks to. I'm not prince charming, but yes I am a charming sob ;). But then again you don't have to worry about me, because I'm not playing some pretend rescuing bs, because I don't need to do that. I'd just be straight up and attract with playful, flirty, witty banter while a heavy dose of mocking myself in the process...

[t-8900]

I'm not into the princess. Have you ever seen shows or movies that portray a whole village in the Ancient or Dark Ages of Europe? Where people in the far north like Ireland, Scotland, or Scandinavia are still tribal? And they have really beautiful priestesses that are devoted to their Religion, Culture, and Traditions? But they are still dressed pretty sexy and can be both strong and submissive towards the warrior they meet? That's the gal I want tbh! All people, even men can't have breaking points.

Sometimes the woman needs to be able to become strong when the man is down and life him up and inspire him. She has grace, she has beauty, she has wisdom, she has an inspiring presence, just being around her is invigorating. She's able to be strong and gentle in equal measure when times call for it. She can adapt and she brings hope. That's the woman I'd go for. Some females thing that means they have to get ugly, and yell and hit. No, you just need to be clear and put your foot down and say "no". I actually find that sexy tbh. Also Lagertha from Vikings I found very attractive because she could play those roles well. She was able to be a lover and a fighter, gentle yet strong.

[I-C3_ME]

I don't really know how to take this but i believe most of what u say, there are"nice guys" who get rejected and turn in to this rude mutation of what u thought they where. I'm really sad they exist but I'm honestly more sad for them, cuz with that toxic behaviour they'll never have a healthy relationship. I know em as r/niceguys

I also think i have a prince charming factor in me although I'm not that charming (7/10 I'd say), tho i refuse to be filled with hatred cuz that's a lot worse to me then being a friend. even tho a lot of guys say that XD, you'll have to meet me to find out i guess hahaha.

Anyways enough about me, u said that a friend that becomes a boyfriend can be a great relationship and i agree heavily with that, but when your in the friend stage, don't expect, don't put pressure on the other person. If it happens it happens, if not accept it. A good friend is hard to find so don't throw it all away trying to get laid XD

So final advice you guys out there:

When u always think with your D,
U are gonna get fucked eventually

So make sure to have those good times while u can,
And always try to become a better man

[igaveyouanickname]

Haha. I was that sucker who was nauseatingly-polite and never colored outside the lines until I was about 25. That's when you throw most of the model of fitting "properly" into the world out the window and start over. You don't need a tat or a move to Tibet to accomplish it.

You can't worry about whether someone has some grand machinations in their mind or not, you have to focus on the motivations of people: alignment of interests. I've been with all kinds of wild crazy girls who think I'm going to make them rich, pretty, successful, popular, scream all day and all night, or be their dad so they can reenact some old trauma, but that's not going to happen. If someone has nothing to gain and everything to lose by committing some act that you're worried about, why would they, unless they're stupid (avoid stupid people)? And, if you don't trust them, why are you with them (if it's them) or with anyone (if it's you)?

Anytime my mom acts helpless, I tell her to remember what her dad taught her: "don't be helpless, and don't be dependent on a man." This is good advice because what if he leaves or dies suddenly. Then what?

The "helpless"-by-default act signals someone is a mooch and not worth my time. Bring skills, ambition, and initiative, or GTFO. If anything, I should be telling her to quit serving me so much. Princesses can stay in their own castles. Alone. :)

[I-am-always-here]

So true and so sad, but thus is life. I think that most of this “Prince Charming Factor” is a subconscious one. Those that premeditate the Factor for sport is sick. One has to be self aware of one’s own mental state every time one enters a freundschaft/friendship. We have to know ourselves and the other persons mental state as well. Sometimes when a woman/girl looks for a male friend, she is really in reality looking for just that, a friend. She might of been badly hurt from a relationship and just now letting someone into her life again, and really just needs a friend, just for someone to be there for her, to be a friend. Sometimes there can be comfort in the opposite gender, a mindset that is different than our own. But instead of understanding this, there is selfish gain to procure oneself, this by conscious or subconscious endeavor underhandedly try to pry the entrance to the heart. Then the casualties of pride start to work, when one is rejected from that something more type of relationship one endeavored to gain, such causes all the aforementioned errs of life. In not being a true friend when she needs it the most, we just hurt her like all the rest, and the cycle heretofore thus continues to hurt one another. I declare, just enjoy the ride. If in friendship, if both share the same thoughts for each other , great, if not, nothing is wrong with a good friend. Just be there for her, and she shall be there for you. But in closing, one must not send artificial signals, this goes for both parties. They are easy to do, very easy. Just do not repeat the same mistake more than once. Be safe out there, and take care of each other.

[DizzyDesii]

“When they win the girl, they move on and go to the next challenge. If you wonder why many women fall into this game, the reason is that they are usually chosen by their fragile state, past trauma or some other vulnerability that Prince Charming decided to test their healing and rescue skills.” — this is so true. Im tired of being a victim of this. But i’ll keep taking risks and hoping for the best

[Desconhecida]

I know, right? The moment we are most vulnerable, we have the courage to open up to someone who happens to be only looking for validation..

[DizzyDesii]

Yea thats why im treading cautiously

[7121uc]

I guess I’m guilty of doing this.

[Reaperbot666]

Rebecca Lynn is a former match maker. who switched to being a marriage counselor. because modern guys and girls have unrealistic expectations. of what they want in a partner. so she found it is easier to help people fix their relationships. rather then try to set them up with their "prefect" match. who may not even exist in real life.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/aExBbOv1Dro

Her own YouTube channel belowhttps://www. youtube. com/c/RebeccaLynnPope/videos

[Reaperbot666]

https://www.youtube.com/c/RebeccaLynnPope/videos

[KrakenAttackin]

She is speaking the unvarnished truth.

[Barbaric]

It's funny to see that way women try to figure out the motivations of these guys. Not that you're entirely wrong, but there are things you misunderstand as a woman.

Most men actually do this because of the bad advice they get from girls/women.

The number of times I've said to a guy who seems to be getting friend-zoned all the time: don't try to pretend to be her friend, if you like the girl let her know early. Talk to her for a bit then ask her out on a date. Don't piss about trying to guess how interested in you she is and wait for the right time, just show your interest. The reason you end up in the friend-zone is because you don't do this.

And then the women are there like "just be social and make lots of female friends, and something will happen naturally. The best relationships start as good friendships".

Who do these guys listen to? The women usually, not me.

[hi_it_is_me123]

But you firstly have to know the person first very good before being her/his girlfriend/boyfriend. Asking out directly is not that good idea. I mean what if the woman you asked out who you barely know, is a psycho?

[ChocoBrownieMonster]

From experience the prince in shining armour is absolutely not your friend, he acts like that charismatic guy friend all the girls want. He hovers around being awe'd at because he's super nice and helpful. But when he threatens an alpha male and it escalates be sure to know he'll off running and leave you there to fend for yourself ☝️ and leave the girl there to be kissed by him. Then he goes the way of incel. And shoot a school full of teenagers to complain how he lost his innocence because girls took him for granted.

[Yads_Is_Back]

"... As a Prince Charming would. He thinks he knows everything about you and sometimes he thinks he knows more than you do about yourself. Good thing he's on your side to help you in your life, huh?"
"... Their problem is that they believe that every woman should be honored by his interest and his decision to rescue her from pain. ..."
"... His narcissistic mentality start thinking the idiotic excuse we only like the bastards..."

@ChocoBrownieMonster You need to read this. My point has been made clear. :)

[Yads_Is_Back]

@Desconhecida AWESOME take by the way! Please write more

[ChocoBrownieMonster]

You've revealed why narcisstic girls claim to be victims of bullying, suicide, an evil dieing grandmother, sexual assault, physical assault 😂 because their prince charming will come running. And you think this isn't true? It is absolutely what girls bring as value when they find a lovely caring guy 🏃

[Yads_Is_Back]

@ChocoBrownieMonster That happens but is a minority. As you know, I'm anti-feminist so let's not go into all that, but uhhmmm no that's not what we bring as value. That's NOT value. But with your pessimistic mindset, I can see how you wouldn't know. For example, I've never claimed any of those things. Neither has my mom or my best friend. Yet, we all bring value. We're against mistreatment of men, and I can make a whole list but that would be pointless right now unless you actually want me to. So... her whole take is valid specifically to those of us who have no reason to claim those things, since we actually have the Prince Charmings coming to us (when we're lucky!). This is why when I meet a gentleman I almost get tempted to bow at his feet. They are so underappreciated nowadays. You also make me miss the guy I'm seeing at the moment, because he is a fantastic gentleman. But he's kind-of popular with the women and very well-liked by them, so his view differs from yours. that's what makes good men so refreshing to meet. <3

[ChocoBrownieMonster]

Awe that guy all the girls like being around because he is a really nice guy but never gets laid and became an incel, now you miss him you're such a hypocrite! That guy has probably gone to a school and taken part in a shooting 🤔 you're from an American highschool right? Lol
This too and fro is something I don't want to waste my energy on, you share a different view on it and so do I. And I genuinely felt I got to you because you wouldn't let it go and I am genuinely sorry for having me on your mind. Unintentional 🥰

[Yads_Is_Back]

@ChocoBrownieMonster So now even though I tell you that the women want him, you say he's an incel and ignore that 😂 The jealousy radiates off of you.

[ChocoBrownieMonster]

"This is why when I meet a gentleman I almost get tempted to bow at his feet." Almost lmao im actually glad I've made you miss an incel, they need sex too. Go to him 👼💘

[Yads_Is_Back]

@ChocoBrownieMonster Awww you still have to enforce the thing you've been proved wrong on now. You're stuck

[Yads_Is_Back]

Just out of curiosity... in the nicest way possible to ask... Why do you like arguing these things so much, when it's not valid? If you're insecure or have nothing better to do, I get it. I'm not making fun of you. But damn, it's like you love it

[Yads_Is_Back]

WAAAIIIIIT... She explained that in her take. "... His narcissistic mentality start thinking the idiotic excuse we only like the bastards..." Nevermind, I answered my own question :)

[Dargil]

Here IS some food for thought. There is a theme in American Westerns about how a man can be attractive and neither be a Mook or a Prince Charming.. A movie named Conagher, starring Sam Elliott and his real life wife, Katherine Ross, describe a gallant, hard working Alpha man, dedicated to the life he lives but also flawed and in need of being made whole. She knows she will never have all of him, but she will have his love. His tether will have to very long, but, like his dedication to the life, he will have that same dedication to his wife. And that is the way it very often was until Feminism ruined everything. And, newsflash, when men lost those cigars and brandy and all man gatherings, such as hunting trips, participating in auto racing, rodeo activities, etc. because toxic masculinity was frowned upon, much of it was replaced by chasing pussy.

[magicalpalms]

I LOVE your take on this. Actually, a lot of girls/women fall into the helpless mindset. You know, feeling the need of a man to validate herself. I have fallen into this stigma soon many times. I have even been attracted to narcs despite being offered better men simply because I am attracted to the thrill of the chase MYSELF! The idea of being with a man who is unattainable or emotionally unavailable... its the Beyonce and Jay-Z syndrome. Jay-Z was not looking like the type to date let alone be married. Yet I practically throw myself at guys who only see me someone they can gain from. Practically narcs testing out their cockiness.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"The good guy keeps sending “friends” to the friendzone. Girls who like him, standing around in the expectation that one day he will realize that she is his princess. The girls who really begin to be romantically interested in him... But she is only my friend, not my type, I did not feel the spark of attraction” is the usual speech..." <-- Or it's a factor that he's an aromantic and an empath at the same time until you started to talk about the narcissism part.

And by the way Is that the new term for "nice guys"? Because i'd be happy to change that misleading title that's only depending on it's context.

[MackDiddyDaddy]

This essay is incoherent. Any man who accepts limbo in the friend-zone is a low-T loser and a total beta male. Real men reject the entire idea of "friendship" with a woman except in the rare cases where they really do only feel friendship. Beta losers have low self esteem and are basically cuckolds in waiting. They hang around while the girl they are targeting is getting banged left and right by real men and then getting dumped. The friend-zone loser is just hanging around hoping for some rebound crumbs to fall his way. After a while he realizes the girl he is targeting despises him and he is never going to ejaculate anywhere hear her and so he runs off like a little bitch. Women should have nothing but contempt for these losers.

[TienShenhan]

You've got it all wrong. The stories dont have a damsel in distress to make women look weak. You'll be disappointed to find that this arc has nothing to do with the damsel and everything to do with the man. Not everything is about you, sorry. The fact is, to tell a good story about a man and his conquests, you need a motivation that is felt powerfully by the reader and it needs to be relatable. What has always been man's greatest motivation? A female. And what more honorable reason to sharpen one's sword, than to save an exquisite piece of ass from certain doom? She isn't made to look weak as some patriarchal agenda to knock women down a peg - that's just how the average male sees the average female due to life experience. This will change if and when women start getting shit done at the level that men do, and we aren't there yet

[apollo3000]

Bah... It is healthy to believe - especially if you had done your homework and worked for being your best self - that anyone you are interested in should be honoured. Or, rather - genuine interest simply arouses genuine interest - that is very natural.

You can be a cynic and doubt the fairytale - or you can live one.
(of course, it all depends on whether the said princess is ready to be a queen - being a queen is no small feat - if you look at the real ones, it is HEAVY work).

How else would you pair up/marry - by not being charmed, being strictly rational, biological about it? That sounds entirely devoid of feelings (or/and - understanding + attraction).