Girls, Why do women lie about looks not mattering when that's all that matters?

[Anonymous]

Ask any woman and they'll say looks don't matter to them when guys ask them out. It's all about confidence, being dressed well, being funny etc. This is a complete and utter lie.

A short, ugly guy that has all the confidence and charm in the world women reject all the time. On the other hand a tall, good looking guy with the personality of a rock can be completely horrible to her and she'll beg him to stay with her. Heck he won't even need to approach her, she'll approach him.

This is such a huge lie society tells. That if you're being rejected, it's because there's something about your personality that you can change and it's not because of your looks. The idea being that women are great judges of character and they can easily filter out guys with bad personalities. Complete nonsense. If that were true, there would be no single moms. But there are plenty and these single moms decided to date terrible human beings because they were good looking.

And if you're good looking enough you can literally get away with anything and women will still like you. There are well documented instances of good-looking convicted felons including serial killers that women swooned over. People have set up fake profiles pretending to be things like convicted child molesters and women still went after them in droves. You don't hear these stories about men though, it seems men seem to factor in morality a lot more.

Sure you might see ugly guys occasionally with girlfriends. But there's always a strong reason that isn't mentioned. The guy might be super rich or the girl has kids. Or the girl has had her heart broken enough by all the good looking guys she chose to date first and is now finally settling for stability but has no real attraction towards the guy at all.

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Not to mention ever notice how every single love story is exactly the same? The girl and guy were instantly attracted to one another. If personality mattered, how would that be possible?

How come you never ever hear stories where the girl didn't like the guy at all and overtime as she began to know him more and more, she slowly fell in love? Because it's idealistic nonsense and NEVER happens in reality. Personality does NOT matter, it's all about looks.

[Kas19]

Looks matter, but it's not all that matters. I don't pay attention to love stories much, so I don't know what you're talking about. I hope you're not getting hat information from movies.

As for the situations you listed out, it differs girl to girl. I don't approach people no matter how attractive they are. I don't know where you got other stuff from.

[Asker]

Maybe you are shy. But if they approached you, they'd have to be attractive or you'd reject them.

[Kas19]

No. I reject everyone. I find it funny that you're asking what I do even though you don't know me.

[Kas19]

Assuming* not asking

[Asker]

Also these situations don't differ from girl to girl at all. Girls are extremely predictable actually. Or are you about to lie and say you've considered short and ugly guys as potential dates? Of course you have not and never will.

[Asker]

Lol, you think you're unique because you "reject everyone"? That's very common among women too and the reason is very simple. No one you actually consider very attractive has actually asked you out. Keep in mind most men are not attractive to most women but most women are attractive to men. That means women are going to be a lot more picky and it takes a well above average looking guy to actually attract one.

[Kas19]

Nice assumption, again. Also false. You really should learn about proper research. I'm starting to feel sorry for you.

[Asker]

If your age posted here is accurate, you're basically a child so this isn't a discussion for you anyway. When you grow up and see the real world, you'll quickly realize how right I was. Make no mistake about it. If a male model asked you out, you'd be all over him in a heartbeat. You think you are above this because you haven't actually encountered a person you legitimately find attractive yet.

[Kas19]

Then why are you arguing with me? And no, male models usually have a busy schedule. Not my type. I have been asked out by models before, yes actual models. You don't have to believe me. You can soothe your ego all you want.

Maybe you're not physically unattractive, but your personality makes you extremely repulsive and unattractive. Maybe try fixing that.

[jennifer_bloom]

you don't need to be good looking if you have a good personality. I know three guys I used to think were ugly but because they had good personalities - I now consider them attractive and would have dated them if they weren't taken or pursuing other people.

[Asker]

Notice how you are talking completely hypothetically. Oh you would have dated them if they weren't taken... sure. But you didn't. The person you are actually dating or planning to is attractive no doubt. Doesn't that speak volumes about your lack of sincerity in this comment? Either that or you have simply drastically lowered your standards because you can no longer get attention from the attractive guys you used to.

[jennifer_bloom]

No - two guys are fat - one might even be morbidly obese while the other guy isn't morbidly obese but still fat and short with ugly legs. The last guy is tall and fit but has a weird alternative / rock style hair cut and a weird looking face.

[Izumiblu]

Tl;dr. I’ve never said looks don’t matter. I also would never say that looks are all that matters. Both are completely untrue

[Asker]

It's very true. Looks are all that matters unless you are super rich (like several times more than the average person). Then you can attract gold diggers but that's about it.

But if a well off woman (earns enough money on her own) had a chance to date a 4/10 who was the nicest, most charming guy in the world who devoted his life to charity vs a 9/10 thug, they'd choose the thug everytime (if they could get away with it). So how can you say looks are not all of it? I repeat, women have done things like pay for a criminal's bail just because he was attractive.

[Izumiblu]

You need counseling

[Asker]

Everything I said was factual. Just because I'm not in denial doesn't mean I require counseling. Or are you going to pretend there isn't well documented anecdotes of women constantly being with assholes because they are attractive? Abuser? Criminal? Doesn't matter, if he's good looking.

[Izumiblu]

A well documented anecdote? The fact that you think an anecdote translates to an undeniable rule of society should tell you you’re wrong.

But you can’t see it. You are bound by your own distorted reality

[Asker]

Google is your friend. It's very easy to find countless real examples of:
1. Women defending attractive criminals they know nothing about.
2. The guy mentally/physically abusing the women, she keeps coming back though because he's hot. "It's complicated" they will say when it's really not. They just don't want to admit how shallow they really are (if the guy was ugly, he'd have been reported to the cops and thrown in jail after the first offense, no questions ask).
3. People setting up fake dating profiles as a test. One guy is extremely charming, has awesome interests but is ugly. The other guy is attractive and either is given a terrible and/or boring personality and has zero charm or wit. Guess which profile gets all the hits? And even after the attractive guy is verbally abusive and makes it crystal clear he's a terrible person, women still beg him to text them back.

[Izumiblu]

you Overrate your opinion on google search and anecdotes and your ability to scale without bias

Your world is the size of your thumbnail and defined by the rules you impose through distorted lenses.

The real world is a much larger place that is far more complex. You are incapable of seeing it.

[Asker]

Are you implying each and every single one of those examples is an outlier that over simplify things? Then surely counter-examples would be a lot easier to find? And yet they are pretty much non-existent.

You never hear about the short and ugly non-rich guy who gets tons of attention from women due to his awesome hobbies and personality. Because it doesn't happen. Period.

My reality is not distorted, I'm just seeing the overwhelming evidence in front of me. Women are not complicated at all when it comes to relationships, quite the contrary, they are extremely predictable. Disagree? Then tell me all about that short and conventionally ugly guy you are dating because his personality and wit is off the charts. No? Didn't think so. Point proven.

[Izumiblu]

Do you really want to get into research methods statistics and bias discussions?

The answer is you can’t even estimate the numbers of actual cases and the conditions under which they happened. It’s the fckin internet. Not a hall mark of truth.

And lastly thee are tons better f unattractive people in relationships You any even deny that if you actually can perceive the world around you. Which can only get back to. Physical appearance isn’t everything

[Asker]

There are no ugly MEN in relationships unless they are super rich or the girl is even less attractive (women always date up) and believes she can't do better. Or if the girl has kids from a previous relationship (with an attractive guy of course). Men are willing to date at their level or down because we have a higher snuggle drive, women not so much.

I also like how you dodged my question. Surely the most "real" example would be yourself so just answer the question if you're so convinced I'm wrong. How many short and ugly guys have you seriously dated? Is your current boyfriend conventionally short and ugly or tall and attractive?

And once again, if women cared about character there would be no single moms. The fact that there are so many single moms is proof women don't care about character or personality at all. They got knocked up by attractive assholes and and then because women throw themselves at these guys, they left for more attractive women. And yet we as a society are supposed to feel sorry for these women. Sorry that they ignored the legit nice guys, for the fake assholes and are now paying the consequences. What a joke.

[Izumiblu]

Pfft ok good bye

[Asker]

No retort? Because you know I'm right. Because you would never ever even look twice at a short, ugly guy. Just look at the other woman posting, at least she's much more honest than you and doesn't pretend anything but looks matter..

[Izumiblu]

i mean really what do I care. At the end of the day you aren’t the difference between humanity dying off or surviving and if there’s a chance if you passing on whatever mental problem you have to another generation then humanity is better off if you don’t reproduce. So whatever

[Asker]

Stating the truth backed up by observable reality is having a mental problem now? If I'm so clearly wrong, how come you can't produce a shred of evidence as a counter-point?

Why do you keep dodging the obvious question? Here let me answer it for you. You never have and never will seriously consider a short and ugly guy as a potential partner. But instead of admitting this, you will lie to others (and maybe yourself) and pretend there's more to it then looks. "It's not that he was bad looking, he just didn't have enough personality and confidence". Meanwhile if an attractive guy asked you out, without knowing a single thing about him or even if you learned he committed the most vile crimes with zero remorse, you'd be all over him in a heartbeat.

That's just how women behave. This is an observable fact of life. You say internet stories aren't enough proof? Then look literally anywhere else including your own life and you are guaranteed to see the exact same thing. Just look in the mirror.

[Izumiblu]

Lmao ok whatever

[Kas19]

Asker, you sound like a mad incel. People don't like you. Get over it. Go get therapy. b

[Asker]

@Kas19 Typical delusional response. I state the facts backed up by clear observable reality everyday so there must be something wrong with me. Right. You haven't even considered the possibility that everything I've said is true (because it would mean admitting just how shallow women really are).

[Kas19]

You made a broad brush stroke on things you see even though you probably don't have much experience with women. It's not true for me. Looks are not all that matters. People just don't like you.

[Asker]

@Kas19 Please stop lying to yourself. Looks are ALL that matters unless you are super rich and/or famous.

If you've been attracted to a guy you might have deluded yourself into thinking it's because he had a good personality, was funny etc. But the truth is you attribute those positive traits to him because he was attractive. If an ugly guy had the same traits, you'd consider him annoying, creepy etc. Studies have been done that prove this fact over and over again.

[Izumiblu]

Lulz

[Kas19]

What men do you find attractive then? My taste and your taste may differ. I've dated attractive guys who I've eventually broken up with because I found their personality to be ugly the more they revealed. Someone can be physically attractive and have an ugly personality, which are not men I go for. Which is why I've been single for a while. I've been asked out by attractive guys many times, but again, I've rejected them. Looks do play a part in relationships, but it isn't ALL that matters. People just don't like your personality and looks maybe.

[Izumiblu]

@Kas19 he’s never gonna listen. Let him exist in his world.

[Kas19]

Lmao, I just feel pity for him. I couldn't imagine being so delusional and conceited.

[Izumiblu]

@Kas19 it comes from some sort of trauma that he’s experienced he’s created this distortion he can’t see past it. Everything he sees will only justify it. At the end of the day neither you nor I have to put up with him so be grateful for that.

[Asker]

@Kas19 Lmao. You've just proved me completely right. The only men you gave a chance to were the attractive ones. You literally just said this.

If you dumped them later, it's only because you knew you could get another attractive guy as according to you (if you're telling the truth) they would ask you out several times.

And because they turned out to be dicks (something I literally already mentioned) you've now become jaded. In other words, you went out with the attractive assholes despite their personality flaws which proves girls can't judge character well at all and only care about looks. This is LITERALLY women 101.

It's amazing how predictable girls actually are.

[Izumiblu]

So I’m just gonna sit here and enjoy my pineapple mochi and enjoy the beautiful weather

[Kas19]

You're absolutely right. He's gonna have a bitter life.

[Asker]

@Kas19
Not to mention, notice how you said you went out with attractive guys but mentioned nothing about the ugly guys you went out with. You've literally admitted to being just like all other women so blatantly.

[Kas19]

@Izumiblu I've never had Mochi. I've always wanted to try it.

[Izumiblu]

I was lying as well I’ve literally not gone out with any ugly guys. Hell im Asian 5’1” built like teenage boy and I don’t have to date ugly men. I guess you’re right ugly men just don’t stand a fckin chance. I bow to your greatness.

[Izumiblu]

Even if ur ugly I still bow to your correctness

[Asker]

You didn't respond to any of my claims with counter-evidence. Yet I'm the one not listening? In your own social circle can you name even one ugly guy (like actually ugly by any standard, not just ugly compared to models) who has a stable girlfriend? Of course not. It doesn't happen and deep down you know it.

Heck your friend over here just exposed women once again.
1. Gets asked out by attractive asshole and of course excepts.
2. Of course the guy's a dick so they eventually break up.
3. This happens several times until the girl becomes jaded about relationships. But notice during all this time the girl never ONCE considered dating the unattractive nice guy.

This is all women with no exceptions who have the power to date.

[Izumiblu]

Thank you oh senpai ugly

[Kas19]

I'm 18, I don't know what I'm saying right? Yeah. I only date attractive men. I only date 6'4 men with 8 inch penises and dark brown hair and blue eyes. They have to be tan and muscular. Not too skinny, not too fat. And he must have perfectly white, straight teeth. And no body hair. You're absolutley right.

[Kas19]

He also needs to treat me like shit. I won't be interested if he doesn't yell at me and cheat on me. Doesn't keep me interested enough if he is nice. Nice guys are boring.

[Asker]

Is describing yourself supposed to make me feel pity for you or something?

Most guys find Asian women attractive and guys don't care about height. So you are actually lucky. Imagine being a guy at 5"1, you couldn't even fathom the idea.

Thanks for finally admitting you never have and never will date ugly guys sarcastically or not. Because you know it's the truth even if you are going to lie to yourself and pretend you aren't shallow.

[Kas19]

5'1 guys are unattractive and gross. Get them away from me.

[Izumiblu]

@Kas19 I don’t care for the ice cream ones tbh. If you can find them they have fruit filled refrigerated ones that are really nice. Probably only the Japanese grocery stores will have them but they’re really nice.

[Kas19]

@Izumiblu Mmmh that sounds super good. I'll have to visit a few places here to see if they have them. Thanks :)

[Asker]

@Kas19 That's another myth that is completely untrue. It's not that women prefer bad boys or hate nice guys. It's just that the morality level of the man isn't even a factor at all when it comes to attraction. So women will date nice or bad guys as long as they are attractive.

It just so happens that a lot of attractive guys are dicks because there is literally no reason for them to be nice, they get everything handed to them for free. And I'm not just talking about dating. Studies have shown that attractive people get better jobs, are treated better by everyone, their mistakes and shortcomings are forgiven more easily and everyone wants to be their friend and/or associated with them. Attractive people won't be called out on bad behavior so they never grow as individuals.

[Izumiblu]

Sucks to be an ugly guy I guess. If I could do something about it I would. Oh wait... no I probably wouldn’t.

[Kas19]

Yes attractive people deserve everything in life. I dont care about morals much, but I know that I dislike nice guys.

[Asker]

Here's the thing. You two think you're being clever in your sarcasm but you're not. At all. I've stated facts backed up by observable reality. All you two have said is "No not all women are like that". So then where's your proof?

One of you literally admitted to dating only attractive guys. That's how delusional women are. They think they are special and unique when it comes to dating when they are all exactly the same.

You choose to laugh off my statements because it's too uncomfortable to consider the possibility that I might be right and that women are in fact extremely primitive and shallow when it comes to relationships. A guy will consider a less attractive girl a potential partner if she has common interests or a good personality because it takes less to impress us visually and we actually value character. Women on the other hand are COMPLETELY visual and couldn't care less about personality or morals.

The thing you called "having a good personality" is simply the guy being good looking and nothing else. If an attractive guy tells a lame joke you'll laugh like no tomorrow because you like him. If an unattractive guy tells a professional level joke, you will ignore him completely while the straight guys around him will laugh because for them it's about the content, for you only looks matter.

[Izumiblu]

Uhh I’ve conceded defeat. You win. I’m willing to Agee that ur butt ugly and your life sucks You don’t need to type a thesis anymore. I only ask that when you talk in the future you I dentify yourself as sempai ugly so I know who I’m talking to.

[Asker]

My life doesn't suck. I don't center my life around getting women because I know how they really are and that they don't care about real relationships, only looks and money. I'm not a delusional male anymore than thinks "Just be confident and have a good personality bro!".

I could easily get a gold digger if I wanted to (I make a decent income, not amazing but definitely above average). I'm well liked by my peers and co-workers. This proves my personality doesn't suck and completely debunks the myth that personality matters at all when it comes to women. If that were true than no guy that's well liked/respected would ever be single but almost all ugly guys are. Whereas jobless terrible human beings can get all the women they want because they look good. I've seen first hand how unattractive vs attractive guys are treated by women. The difference is night and day.

At any rate women will never really understand any of this because you haven't experienced it and most are completely delusional about their own behavior. The thing you call "personality", or "spark" or "chemistry" or "being funny" is literally just looks.

[Izumiblu]

Ok.. but you didn’t need to right a thesis to say “my life doesn’t suck”. I don’t really have much time for you if you’re not attractive

[Asker]

In fact you are so delusional you literally tried to use "I'm a short Asian girl" as a disadvantage. When most guys of EVERY race are attracted to Asian women (you find Asian women with non-Asian guys literally everywhere).

Just the fact that you're a female alone is a huge advantage when it comes to dating because men are willing to date down, women are not. Women only find the top 5-10 percent of guys as truly attractive but might settle for the top 20-30 percent when they get older. But ugly? Forget about it. Imagine if as soon as guys learned you were a short Asian girl they instantly turned away... that's how it's like for MOST men with girls.

[Izumiblu]

You seem upset. Like idc what you want you’re ugly. Are you expecting me to read all that. Do you want me to act like you’re attractive?

[Asker]

More awesome comebacks. "I've read everything up until now, but now I'm going to pretend like I'm not reading your posts". I want you to stop lying about looks and/or money not being the only thing that matters to you and all other women. But I don't expect you to, women lie to save face all the time.

[Izumiblu]

What?

[Kas19]

🎶Cry me a river🎶

[MlleCake]

Here you go little fella...

[amandat94132]

They are lying to get approvement from haughty female peers

I have seen women look at men and ignore their less attractive husband

[laurenok]

I don’t lie. Looks matter that’s just a fact of life. And yes, I would pick the tall and handsome man opposed to short and ugly.

[Asker]

Exactly. Even if the tall and handsome guy was horrible and the short and ugly was nice. You'd choose the tall and handsome guy every-time.

But most women pretend that looks don't matter and it's all about personality and confidence.

[laurenok]

No personality doesn’t really affect my opinion since the looks are the first thing you see... and your overall first impression. Plus personality can always change while looks, not so much. So definitely looks > personality

[Asker]

I'm glad you are being mostly honest but you are being misleading about something. No girl dates a horrible attractive guy hoping to fix his personality and most never change. They just don't care, it's not a factor at all if you're good looking. That's the only thing that matters.

[laurenok]

I’m not saying I’d date a horrible attractive guy to change their personality. My point was having a bad personality isn’t as bad as having a bad appearance because your appearance is permanent while your personality is flexible.

[Anonymous]

Looks don’t matter to me, I’m dating a guy who’s okay looking but most women would probably find him unattractive, but I got know him originally through a dating app and he’s awesome so he’s a keeper.