@Jamie05rhs Well since someone blocked me here: The difference in this case will always be a 0.8%. If I told you your child has a 0.8% more chance of dropping out if school than another person, you would not be worried. No one would. I disagree that is being promoted. I agree that is being defended. No one is saying single parenthood is better. They are saying is shouldn't be shamed either. "20-35% more likely than". Than what? What are the raw numbers? If I say "twice more likely than this" it sounds a lot, as long as "this" is not a low number. In one of your numbers the poverty rate is 45% and another is 37.1%. Regardless, do you think the children all magically became poor once one of the parents left? Specially since child support exists. Or they were already poor? No really, statistically poor families divorce more often.
I'm not really for sure what's going on. I think with all the current conditions going on in the US I think we're kind of preparing ourselves we all know something's going on but we don't know what it is can I take unconsciously or maybe even subconsciously we're preparing ourselves for whatever happens and if the same time trying to make things happen so for me it's more like STIFH
This has been a common message in female culture for longer than MGTOW has been around. They just don't refer to it as such. All that "I don't need a man talk" is exactly the same vein of thought. I think the MGTOW ideal is a bit better though.
Maybe they have seen other women get hurt and it scared them.
I have seen people get hurt and been deeply wounded myself but there is a boy I like and if it works out and we marry then great and if not then I’m not fussed about anyone else.
Women were WGTOW long before men ever started doing MGTOW. Women have been bitter at men for a lot longer than men have been vice versa, it's just that women try to pretend that the bitterness is all from guys. And the first incel was actually a girl, who was the one to create the term by the way.
first off this question is flawed. MGTOW is not just about avoiding relationships, marriage, etc. and dont get me started on how we MGTOW actually mean it when we say we punk out the dating/relationships world. when women say they gave up on men they are just whining as usual.
till then for this reason "WTGOW" will never exist. and if it does then this will further proof that FEMINISM was a failure after all
because feminism tells them that they are suppressed and that they have to fight back, even though everyone is litterally helping them, while they bite the hand that feeds them.
Some women aren't ready for a relationship but for motherhood. I also don't get this at all. Maybe because I want my own family in future and not like WGTOW.
😂 becausr mgtow men don't fit with the agenda they constantly try to push on men. They can't accept that mgtow men come to realise that you don't need a woman to be alive Nd happy. They take that as gender insult because according to these type of women men can't cope without women. bizarrely thought lol
I'm not familiar with WGTOW. Not saying it doesn't exist, but it's not something I picked up on. I'll need to look into it. Thanks for making me aware.
I have seen zero girls get offended by this. A lot of MGTOW people just want attention and so the belief that women are offended is the belief that they are getting attention..
@normalice I see girls offended by it all the time here on GAG. They will make unprovoked offhand comments about "MGTOW men" when speaking about an unrelated subject.
In Scandinavia that don't understand "dating". they they think were crazy. They also mostly dont believe in marriage. it's not uncommon for a woman to raise a baby by themselves & they're just fine with it. maybe we're headed in that direction
haha dude if you dared to try to give them assistance... holding a fuckin door open for them that will not go well for you. those woman were fighting next to men i battles with swords centuries ago. Scandinavian men THEY ARE INTERSTED IN do not try to pay for their meals, or their bills, or ask them to take the next step because they don't get that. if you can snag FINE buy notoriously stoic type of northwoman you have already taken that step the first time you take a walk together & they do not cheat. it's non existent there. She will most likely not even humor a marriage between & think it's strange that you want to. so go to Scandinavia to give a Northwoman assistance but I gotta be there to see it so I can laugh my ass off at her reaction
I see. But I'm also talking about the government. In the U. S. a lot of women say they're independent but they don't mention the government money they get. I don't have a problem with women who are "stoic" in general although I'd also say a boy needs to be raised by a man who can teach him how to be a man (or to have a very good male role model in his life) so I can't approve of single moms raising boys.
I never said Northmen weren't men. in those days didn't conquer kingdoms & discover continents that shouldn't exist by not being " a man". But what is a man? a guy who acts all tough doesn't take shit? I can do that any guy with balls can but I think a MAN in 2021 is someone who tries to help people to help people, is 100 faithful to the woman he loves & respects, works his ass off for his family, talks shit to his friends face yet praises them behind their back and understands the only reason to ever fight is for your country to protect that woman, family & those friends if not abroad in an homeland invasion at the very least. always to protect their lives willing to give yours to do it that's what I think a man is & I never had a dad. no man ever taught me a thing but my granmah raised me and sacrificed & for that I had to teach myself what a REAL man is so I can be that so her sacrifice meant gold & its easier for boys with no father because all we have to do is what daddy did not. make sense my guy?
I have always said (mytakes & elsewhere) that being macho doesn't make one a man. But no, I don't think being a man is about being a slave of women which is suggested by your comment form my POV. The idea that we must protect all women is an old idea that made sense back when the majority of women treated men with respect. Now, when the majority of women claim to be independent, men should be VERY careful which women they defend. A lot of men have ended up dead because they followed a drama queen who got them into needless trouble. Being a man is about having self-control really. Knowing when and where is the right time and when is the wrong time to do something. It's not blindly doing what makes a woman feel good. Check out my MyTakes if you want more of my views on being a man and some other stuff. As far as a guy teaching himself how to be a man.. I don't believe that works as well as you think. Imagine if someone wanted to be a great cook but the only influence/teacher they have is going to their local fast food joint and ordering food. They could think they're a genius cook but they're actually ignorant of many things. So having good role model (s) is essential and a woman just will never be able to model being a man cause she isn't one. You can put on a head chef's outfit but it doesn't make you a head chef. The second you start listening to & studying actual head chefs then you will make more progress faster than you would trying on your own. If you grew up watching a head chef at work, you'd already know almost everything on day 1 of adulthood too. It's just how life works.
I can tell your a smart dude & you have empathy that's huge but you and I should talk more cause I think change your view on this no dad thing. I can cook like a because I had to be dad to my little brothers & you would how much us older fuckers actually read. cook books man they work although I do love my McDonald's. i don't I said anything about protecting women if I did my bad I just mean protect your family & friends but I don't know if do or do not have a wife and all that but you wouldn't take a bullet for them out of being macho you would cause you would die than lose cause if you did your dead anyway. dude your definitely right about the role model thing... I looked up to an uncle, a gangster, and my hard ass working granmah. I'm alive right now because of all three of them each in their own way so you are spot on that bro. I'll definitely check out what you suggested. good talking with you my guy hit me up
A guy can learn without a dad/role model when he was growing up. It's just a lot harder and time consuming to get there. And most guys probably don't even bother trying because they don't know any better. I look forward to hearing more from you in the future.
This is the natural conclusion of "a woman don't need no man" arising alongside financial independence, while keeping men dependent on women under the law (custody).
I personally am not looking for a relationship. It's time consuming, energy draining hassle. But if I find right partners, I'd be willing to commit to them.
I don’t know. I don’t pay attention to such things. The way I see it, whether you’re male or female, just live your life. If you want nothing to do with the opposite sex, then so be it. No need to announce your intentions to everyone or gain anyone’s approval.
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Well since someone blocked me here:
The difference in this case will always be a 0.8%. If I told you your child has a 0.8% more chance of dropping out if school than another person, you would not be worried. No one would. I disagree that is being promoted. I agree that is being defended. No one is saying single parenthood is better. They are saying is shouldn't be shamed either. "20-35% more likely than". Than what? What are the raw numbers? If I say "twice more likely than this" it sounds a lot, as long as "this" is not a low number. In one of your numbers the poverty rate is 45% and another is 37.1%. Regardless, do you think the children all magically became poor once one of the parents left? Specially since child support exists. Or they were already poor? No really, statistically poor families divorce more often.
@CasaNorba you can come here too
ok buddy not sure why the hell your calling my name out of the blue, it wasn't me who blocked you
I'm not really for sure what's going on. I think with all the current conditions going on in the US I think we're kind of preparing ourselves we all know something's going on but we don't know what it is can I take unconsciously or maybe even subconsciously we're preparing ourselves for whatever happens and if the same time trying to make things happen so for me it's more like STIFH
Or maybe more SWTF
@ohshee What do your acronyms mean?
This has been a common message in female culture for longer than MGTOW has been around. They just don't refer to it as such.
All that "I don't need a man talk" is exactly the same vein of thought. I think the MGTOW ideal is a bit better though.
Maybe they have seen other women get hurt and it scared them.
I have seen people get hurt and been deeply wounded myself but there is a boy I like and if it works out and we marry then great and if not then I’m not fussed about anyone else.
Women were WGTOW long before men ever started doing MGTOW. Women have been bitter at men for a lot longer than men have been vice versa, it's just that women try to pretend that the bitterness is all from guys. And the first incel was actually a girl, who was the one to create the term by the way.
first off this question is flawed. MGTOW is not just about avoiding relationships, marriage, etc. and dont get me started on how we MGTOW actually mean it when we say we punk out the dating/relationships world. when women say they gave up on men they are just whining as usual.
till then for this reason "WTGOW" will never exist. and if it does then this will further proof that FEMINISM was a failure after all
because feminism tells them that they are suppressed and that they have to fight back, even though everyone is litterally helping them, while they bite the hand that feeds them.
Some women aren't ready for a relationship but for motherhood. I also don't get this at all. Maybe because I want my own family in future and not like WGTOW.
😂 becausr mgtow men don't fit with the agenda they constantly try to push on men. They can't accept that mgtow men come to realise that you don't need a woman to be alive Nd happy. They take that as gender insult because according to these type of women men can't cope without women. bizarrely thought lol
I'm not familiar with WGTOW. Not saying it doesn't exist, but it's not something I picked up on. I'll need to look into it. Thanks for making me aware.
I have seen zero girls get offended by this. A lot of MGTOW people just want attention and so the belief that women are offended is the belief that they are getting attention..
@normalice I see girls offended by it all the time here on GAG. They will make unprovoked offhand comments about "MGTOW men" when speaking about an unrelated subject.
I've seem sniping but no more than I've participated in, myself. To call it "offense" seems like a grasp for relevance.
@normalice Use whichever word you prefer.
Bored mockery, then
In Scandinavia that don't understand "dating". they they think were crazy. They also mostly dont believe in marriage. it's not uncommon for a woman to raise a baby by themselves & they're just fine with it. maybe we're headed in that direction
Do the women there get tons of government assistance like they can in the U. S. ?
haha dude if you dared to try to give them assistance... holding a fuckin door open for them that will not go well for you. those woman were fighting next to men i battles with swords centuries ago. Scandinavian men THEY ARE INTERSTED IN do not try to pay for their meals, or their bills, or ask them to take the next step because they don't get that. if you can snag FINE buy notoriously stoic type of northwoman you have already taken that step the first time you take a walk together & they do not cheat. it's non existent there. She will most likely not even humor a marriage between & think it's strange that you want to. so go to Scandinavia to give a Northwoman assistance but I gotta be there to see it so I can laugh my ass off at her reaction
I see. But I'm also talking about the government. In the U. S. a lot of women say they're independent but they don't mention the government money they get. I don't have a problem with women who are "stoic" in general although I'd also say a boy needs to be raised by a man who can teach him how to be a man (or to have a very good male role model in his life) so I can't approve of single moms raising boys.
I never said Northmen weren't men. in those days didn't conquer kingdoms & discover continents that shouldn't exist by not being " a man". But what is a man? a guy who acts all tough doesn't take shit? I can do that any guy with balls can but I think a MAN in 2021 is someone who tries to help people to help people, is 100 faithful to the woman he loves & respects, works his ass off for his family, talks shit to his friends face yet praises them behind their back and understands the only reason to ever fight is for your country to protect that woman, family & those friends if not abroad in an homeland invasion at the very least. always to protect their lives willing to give yours to do it that's what I think a man is & I never had a dad. no man ever taught me a thing but my granmah raised me and sacrificed & for that I had to teach myself what a REAL man is so I can be that so her sacrifice meant gold & its easier for boys with no father because all we have to do is what daddy did not. make sense my guy?
I have always said (mytakes & elsewhere) that being macho doesn't make one a man. But no, I don't think being a man is about being a slave of women which is suggested by your comment form my POV. The idea that we must protect all women is an old idea that made sense back when the majority of women treated men with respect. Now, when the majority of women claim to be independent, men should be VERY careful which women they defend. A lot of men have ended up dead because they followed a drama queen who got them into needless trouble. Being a man is about having self-control really. Knowing when and where is the right time and when is the wrong time to do something. It's not blindly doing what makes a woman feel good. Check out my MyTakes if you want more of my views on being a man and some other stuff. As far as a guy teaching himself how to be a man.. I don't believe that works as well as you think. Imagine if someone wanted to be a great cook but the only influence/teacher they have is going to their local fast food joint and ordering food. They could think they're a genius cook but they're actually ignorant of many things. So having good role model (s) is essential and a woman just will never be able to model being a man cause she isn't one. You can put on a head chef's outfit but it doesn't make you a head chef. The second you start listening to & studying actual head chefs then you will make more progress faster than you would trying on your own. If you grew up watching a head chef at work, you'd already know almost everything on day 1 of adulthood too. It's just how life works.
And I include, listening to others with more experience as having a good role model. This is true for women too.
I can tell your a smart dude & you have empathy that's huge but you and I should talk more cause I think change your view on this no dad thing. I can cook like a because I had to be dad to my little brothers & you would how much us older fuckers actually read. cook books man they work although I do love my McDonald's. i don't I said anything about protecting women if I did my bad I just mean protect your family & friends but I don't know if do or do not have a wife and all that but you wouldn't take a bullet for them out of being macho you would cause you would die than lose cause if you did your dead anyway. dude your definitely right about the role model thing... I looked up to an uncle, a gangster, and my hard ass working granmah. I'm alive right now because of all three of them each in their own way so you are spot on that bro. I'll definitely check out what you suggested. good talking with you my guy hit me up
A guy can learn without a dad/role model when he was growing up. It's just a lot harder and time consuming to get there. And most guys probably don't even bother trying because they don't know any better. I look forward to hearing more from you in the future.
well said dude. you too
Many women have been "WGTOW" for a long time.
This is the natural conclusion of "a woman don't need no man" arising alongside financial independence, while keeping men dependent on women under the law (custody).
It amused me too.
I personally am not looking for a relationship. It's time consuming, energy draining hassle. But if I find right partners, I'd be willing to commit to them.
No monogamy and absolutely no kids tho lol.
@anon1903 Is the reason you reject the idea of monogamy because you're bisexual? Just curious.
It doesn't feel right. Might lead to cheating, which I'm against.
@anon1903 Okay; I understand. I respect that.
Some people say that a year from now more than 50% of all women in the world will be single
Side point, chewy cat food stock price has gone up dramatically in the past 2 years. Might be a good stock pick for next year
I don’t know. I don’t pay attention to such things. The way I see it, whether you’re male or female, just live your life. If you want nothing to do with the opposite sex, then so be it. No need to announce your intentions to everyone or gain anyone’s approval.
This opinion may upset some people.
I believe that if you are not ready for a committed relationship of love and respect, then you are not ready for children.
@Grond21 That is a valid observation, if you think about it!
I'm glad you agree!
That’s not a real thing. Please stop posting stupid shit.
I hear the word incel used for such men so we can call those ladies femcel?
Lot of ladies are on edge to call a man incel bc they didn't like opinion 😆
Only feminists in the west can be like that.
Other women aren't. That's what I've noticed.
Mgtow is just as toxic as 3rd wave feminism.