I'm Canadian but even then I am so tokophobic (fear of pregnancy and birth) that I'm never touching a man again. Things that happen in the States, unfortunately, affect Canada a lot and Christian extremists are trying to force their religion on everyone here just like they are in the states.
I'm bisexual though so I'm happy to just look for my wife now <3
I did the "good girl" thing for my high school sweetheart for nearly 8 years and he chose greed, porn, and drugs over me in the end so I'm not making that mistake anymore. Most men have a porn addiction nowadays and try to pass it off as normal and healthy because "all guys do it." It's like lemmings off a damn cliff and then they wonder why they have erectile dysfunction in their mid-20's! https://www.everydayhealth.com/erectile-dysfunction/pornography-habit-is-linked-to-erectile-dysfunction-research-suggests/#:~:text=Pornography%20Habit%20Is%20Linked%20to,a%20problem%20when%20watching%20porn.&text=According%20to%20the%20survey%2C%2045,porn%20addiction%20have%20erectile%20dysfunction.
And before anyone comes at me with the "domestic violence is more common in wlw relationships". The rates are similar and women abused by men die at much higher rates for obvious reasons. Women abused by other women usually get out without serious injuries and they don't get murdered. Abusive women are most likely to stalk someone whereas abusive men are more likely to rape and murder... I'd don't know about you, but I'd much rather risk being stalked!
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2019001/article/00005-eng.htm
Also, MURDER by men is the number one cause of death for pregnant
women. https://www.insider.com/pregnant-women-in-the-us-homicide-leading-cause-of-death-report-says-2021-12Men just aren't worth all the terrifying risks they come with. It's simply illogical as a bi woman to take the risk if I don't have to and statistically, married heterosexual women are the least happy and have a decreased lifespan while heterosexual men are the happiest and live longer when they have a wife. Men get ALL the benefits of hetero marriage and women literally die sooner, more and more women are about to realize this and just avoid men.
It doesn't matter how much fearmongering men try to do about women being unfulfilled without a husband to "serve", facts don't care about your feelings and men will need to stop taking advantage of women and learn to be good partners or else finding a wife is about to be damn near impossible! https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/why-bad-looks-good/202102/why-many-single-women-without-children-are-so-happy
The sad part is that when men DO make an effort to clean up after themselves, actually equally raise their kids, and take on an even amount of the mental load with their wives THEY BENEFIT TOO!! They report higher levels of sexual satisfaction and happiness! Refusing to treat women as equals and worshipping porn make life worse for men too. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/301953
By all means, freak out and call me names or try to discredit me because I don't have a Jstor subscription and can't link to the full academic sources but this is reality. Inequality makes everyone's life worse and men are just digging their own graves with this. If you want to do something today to help, start by booking a vasectomy.
Some women will decide that the risk of sex, even protected sex isn't worth it and men who fail to think past their dick will take it personally.
I think a lot of people in relationships will break up because at the end of the day the law makes it clear: 2 people can tango but only one person is stuck with a full term pregnancy when a contraceptive fails, if contraceptives are even allowed.
If you're a single woman, casual dating isn't even worth it because no man would be okay dating without sex, even if he's totally willing to admit he's not ready to be a dad. If you're a single women looking for marriage, I think you can find men willing to wait for sex, but again, in today's day and age, probably not. Everyone's willing to tell other people to wait for marriage until someone is 'withholding' from them.
If a man is for banning contraceptives and feels entitled to routine sex, he can take a hike. This isn't some cultist society where women want to push out 15 kids because some guy wants to get laid. Heck nah.
I am going to take a shit ton of flak for this, but here we go.
Personally I am glad states now have the power to make the decision on abortion instead of it now being a federal issue and on top of that, it keeps babies from being aborted.
Now here is where the opinion will piss people off on both accounts. Personally I believe in choice and bodily autonomy but when it comes down to it, I am more happy this stops babies being killed as a means of convenience for women that view a baby as a hindrance to their lifestyle they want to live and selfishness in this case it comes down to "I wanna be able to live the high life single and fuck who I want to fuck, so long as kids are not in the picture, otherwise, fuck you baby, Doc take him out!" In which case comes the double standards of men should get vasectomy, but why not women get their tubes tied? Why should men go under genital mutilation twice if we count circumcision at birth? And again if they decide to reverse it? So men get their penis and testicles cut up multiple times and women shouldn't consider the tube tying?
Let me be upfront, I am ok with abortion so long as it is in the case of rape or incest and a threat to the mother's life. I get it. Completely fine with that. But if it is used as a backup means because your birth control failed? No, not okay with that. That falls back to the whole "inconvenience because I don't want it" deal I mentioned above. And it comes down to a matter of responsibility and accountability.
Now in terms of relationships, I truly hope this move makes women that are promiscuous and complacent with birth control and rely on abortion as a means to avoid carrying a baby they don't want to more selective and cautious with who they take home for the night and fuck or establish as their friends with benefits. Promiscuity may see a slight hit, but I am okay with that.
In terms of dating, with women having their abortion option taken away if they reside in a state that does that, it may do one of two things. It will either encourage selective and more monogamous dating to those that take the subject seriously and don't want unexpected babies or encourage tube tying and vasectomies across the board. Now the other hand (incoming cynical response and humor) women who find an unexpected pregnancy and don't want it, let's be real here WILL find a way to get rid of it. If that means crossing state likes to get it yanked out, a coat hanger, or to give birth and throw it in a fucking dumpster, then yes, there are those that will go to extremes to be rid of it, that is a fact. Hell, maybe women that are married or single will go on strike in terms of sex or even just hook up with each other to make a point. Takes two after all. Women can't give birth if men don't fuck them. Also sends a huge middle finger to the patriarchy, right? Beautiful, let's move on.
To touch on relationships. I don't think it will affect married couples that either did tube tying or vasectomy after having the kids they wanted. However there also comes women that still support each other and will do the extreme that I have in my previous statement above by doing a sex strike until it is reversed. Women withholding sex as a means of control and power isn't new, there are those that do that, and this would just be icing on the cake. Which is your decision, make no mistake, but if it also leads to a southbound relationship and marriage because you punish your SO for that despite maybe not holding those views or having that as a potential problem now? That's on you.
In conclusion. I fully support women having a choice for a baby they want to carry despite my personal stance of abortion being more of a convenient get out of jail free card for women that don't want responsibility or take accountability for their decisions outside the instance of rape/incest and threat to their life.
@MzAsh that is my answer. Understand that this is not directed at you or any woman user on here specifically. You asked for a response and I gave one, and if people disagree with it or get bent out of shape, I only ask that you and those here take what I said here with a huge grain of salt.
Had to add on the last but since it went over the limit.
Not much is going to change for women. Things are going to get rough for men but in the end we'll work it out. Women in red states have always been more conservative about abortion and do things in secret anyway, so these treks they're going to start to take into blue states aren't much of a stretch for them. NOTHING will change for women in blue states. At all. So sex and the "sexual market" as you call it will remain the filthy cesspool it's always been in places like here in New York City. Literally every democrat area in the south is saying they won't prosecute illegal abortions and even South Dakotas *Republican* governor said she won't prosecute. Oh and Los Angeles and New York already pledged to cover women's legal fees if they do so happen to be prosecuted. So... Y'all will be fine. The USA is still a place where women have reproductive rights, regardless of what these feminists are spouting who CLEARLY don't know how the Supreme court work.
The danger is actually for men. Florida, New York, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio, Alaska and California are all about to crack down on men for not paying child support AND increase the payments, it's so bad that in Michigan there will be a slowdown on releasing men from child support if women won't consent to a DNA test for the child. Meaning Michigan is literally admitting they're willing to make men pay for children that aren't theirs.
Then you have multiple states who are looking to extend child support retroactively to the moment of conception, meaning men will pay child support from the second the women is pregnant (not after birth like it has been historically) including healthcare bills and a basic-needs stipend - and they're extending it *forward* to include all men now having to cover college costs until the child is 25 fucking years old. I ran my information through New York's updated child support calculator and with my income I'd be paying $3100 a month in child support for 2 kids. Children I need a court's permission to see? Nah. Nope. I'll pass.
So, to answer your question. Life will remain as is for most women while men now even more ever have to look at every women they encounter as a potential financial disaster. Mind you after me #metoo we started to calculate every word and every glance so as to not be charged with rape the next day or have our lives destroyed, and now this - relationships are looking more and more like something with ROI so weak it's just not worth it.
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Well if one's seen handmaids tale then you can see were it's heading. All gonna have to move to Canada. Church and State still to be separated but won't be because conservatist who agree 100% with amendments when it suits saying it's unconstitutional to change them like for Right to bare arms but will argue that abortion is wrong because god say's all life is precious while ignoring the fact of State and Church to be separated that the founding fathers wanted. Also they eat animals but "Life is precious." Anyways.
Pfft Men forced to be responsible for a baby wouldn't do anything but make that kid grow up been abused by a father who don't actually care, or even worse just kill his own kid and if you think a guy will pay childcare? yeah that don't even happen now lmao, and all those problems still happen now.
It's obvious they will only happen more with more kids in the world that aren't wanted.
All this is gonna do is make women more aware of sexism but not because of gentle learning about it but first-hand experiencing it as the laws limit there freedom once again.
Sexism didn't die in 1950s but a lot of women like to believe it's better now. But as you can see from this in America clearly not. As you can see from many east countries it is not.
Lucky England just be like abortion issue was solved some time ago there is no sensible reason to ever change the law which is how one would view it without sexism and god views bleeding into politics.
All in all just another reason not to move to America and especially not if your a woman. Who knows what woman rights they will take next.
The overturn is gonna agitate a lot of people create even further rifts from states and etc. None of it is positives especially in relationships.
Also should add it probably won't change much in liberal states though. I would never get why a Pro Life person would want to get with someone who is secretly pro choice but that's what will happen choice becomes illegal jokes on them lol.
It won’t. For the vast majority of US citizens, the overturning of Roe v Wade won’t impact us one iota. Roughly two-thirds of US states haven’t changed their laws and likely won’t; especially since roughly two-thirds of US citizens believe abortion should be legal and safe. Even the red states with trigger bans won’t have that big of an impact because the citizens in those states tend to have more conservative values and were always less likely to resort to abortion for their own reasons. That said, i wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see some of those states legislate differently due to public pressure. Despite popular misinformation, being conservative does not mean people are ignorant.
People also tend to be impulsive and short-sighted in this country, despite widely available information on risks and consequences of their choices. So i doubt more people will be more responsible with other pregnancy prevention options. Some will, but i suspect it will be a minority. The strictest measures would have to be in effect for the majority of people for at least a generation to see any impact on our behavior as a whole.
Men have never been allowed to skirt the responsibilities of raising a child. There are tens of thousands of men in prison as a result. Thousands more trapped by “dad by default” laws. You don’t know the world you’re living in.
I disagree, but let’s examine that train of thought to its conclusion. They deserve to be in prison, why? Because they ARE expected to care for their, or sometimes even someone else’s children. If they’ve escaped their systemic consequences, they still suffer consequences. Having to change homes, jobs, and even names continuously to avoid detection. As i said, there has never been a time when men weren’t expected to provide for children. Overturning Roe v Wade didn’t change that one iota.
Sometimes that’s the way it should be. If you can take care of a child or children by yourself and that prevents you from having to re-engage in a toxic relationship, wouldn’t you? Contrarily, there are lots of men supporting kids that aren’t their own, knowingly and NOT knowingly. Do you think that women who cheat and lie to make men support children they didn’t father should have to pay them back and go to prison when they can’t or won’t?
That’s fair. There are lots of women who just want the check or like to withhold visitation, let alone custody. I think that should be punishable too, but i don’t know of any woman who has been punished for it.
I agree 100%.
The lunatic fringes who view abortion as a rite of passage will find that men become a little more discerning in their flings, and will weed these cuckoo birds out before they can get any sex. Expect lots of enraged female incels to pop up, because men will start raising their standards after the shows of lewd madness following Roe getting what it deserved.
Those who want civil war will exploit this ruling to create as much fear mongering and civil unrest as possible. But I find it interesting how men are quicker to say: "Fine. I'll keep my pants on more, " while women are the ones screeching like they just got raped.
Men are angry with the gubmint now because with harder access to abortions, thots be dangerous more than usual, and sex isn't the distraction it used to be. So tine to get back to work; except gubmint has made the workplace an unproductive mad house.
Decent women are mad, because their men have a hard time finding stable work that doesn't jerk them around. Meanwhile, thots be mad, because they can't get rich selling sex, because their attitudes now drive away business. And they're so single-mindedly obsessed with degenerate promiscuous sex, that they can't comprehend cultivating skills doing literally anything that doesn't involve it. So they're suddenly useless in a harsh world, where their boobies don't put bread on the table anymore.
I've wondered that myself, I have a feeling hook-up culture might become a lot less popular. As far as more long term relationships, there may be more of an incentive for some couples to abstain from intercourse for a longer amount of time than maybe they normally would. That would just be my guess. I know the argument that it will still be legal in some states, but those states where it is legal could get an influx of patients from states where it is banned, making it difficult for patients to obtain services.
1. The majority of women that get abortions are promiscuous liberal women that either already live in a democrat run state that still allows abortions or they will travel to a democrat run state to get an abortion.
2. The kind of women that are very upset over it already hated men in the first place so it won't affect the kind of people that normally only had exclusive LTR.
3. The kind of men that had casual sex/slept around, but didn't inform the woman beforehand that that was all he was interested in and he had casual sex with a woman that was expecting a relationship, those kinds of men may end up paying child support for their actions.
I mean the jokes really still on y'all tbh..[Yt men & misogynist to specify] I mean now you'll both get what you want for a price. 💀 Though you'll realize soon enough that it's really not the price you want to pay.
BEFORE:
Conservitards/republitards: Mad that white women weren't giving enough birth to remain the majority race
Misogynists: Mad that women were having too much sex blah blah "lock and key" & don't give you sex the moment you demand it.
AFTER-
Conservitards/republitards: Women will cease or lower sexual activity. Still preventing the births y'all demand.
Misogynist: And the "slutty" women you so solemnly despise will cease to exist just like u wanted. But also- If you thought getting sex when u wanted it was hard then- you've really enterd a new world a hell now. The pool of "uSeD vAgInAs" you thought u were entitled to is 🤏 now just like your penis.
How many times has this been discussed already? All that overturning it did was removing the federal gov.'s power to legislate it, the states now get to chose.
So abortion is still legal in 47 states I think. It probably won't change much, but hopefully more promiscuous women will heighten their standards and stop having sex with men thay do not care about them.
I think they believe the lives of the most innocent among us need to be protected.
As for non-promiscuous women getting pregant by deadbeats, they have legal recourse. Aside from that, vet men, and establish the relationship before sex. A responsible man will care for his child wether he's ready for it or not.
I don’t think anything will change now that a power not enumerated in the federal constitution has been returned to the states for individual consideration. Some people might move, but overall it doesn’t seem to be the big polarizing bombshell the left needs to avoid being steamrolled in November.
Not sure exactly.
It’ll make women more responsible/accountable in my opinion.
Some won’t be able to just do what they want and then kill their child because it was a “mistake” or inconvenience to them.
Men don’t have sex with women unless the women say “yes”
Choose better men
Wait a little longer
Read warning signs
Don’t succumb to peer pressure
Also, it’s the woman’s decisions to get an abortion right?
You see where I’m going with this.
A lot of this falls on the woman.
Either way the overturning was something I was 10000% in favor of.
Mz Ash (you know I adore you!), but I have to call you out on this one and ask - where is your documentation for this statement/accusation: "the majority of abortions happen out of fear or pressure from boyfriends, letting them off the hook." That's a big statement. Anything tangent to support that, or just a feeling or anecdotal evidence?
Ok, I listened to her discourse. It's her opinion, and she's telling people "don't pretend that it's anything but what I believe, because you know that's not true" ... for the most part. She says "be honest about your reasons", but she wants you to believe as she believes because that's the truth.
Regardless, how does she offer evidence that men coerce women into the majority of their decisions to abort?
I said most happen as a result of fear or pressure from boyfriends. That covers much more than coercion. And according to the studies, fear from a lack of financial support is huge. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3729671/
Restrictions on abortion are going to hit men financially.
I don't think it will impact those relationships. My reason is that looking at other countries that have banned abortion (yes I know Roe v wade isn't a ban but for simplicity's sake), you can see that removing legal access to abortion doesn't decrease abortion, because people who get abortions don't just do it casually - it is a hard decision made due to necessity. I can only hope that the ruling will prompt people to practice safe sex though
I saw a statistic somewhere that said the majority of those who get abortions are pro life - it's not even close, in fact. So, I think more men will end up murdering the women they sleep with. And as such stories flash across the news the people who supported the politicians that promised to overturn Roe will just cook up the popcorn: this is the movie they paid to see, after all.
It should significantly impact hook-up culture, which I consider to have impacted cultures negatively.
Other than that, not really. Life will go on for many in pretty much the same way as before the verdict, especially in jurisdictions other than the U. S.
Probably not, because nothing is going to change in the more liberal states where the vast majority of abortions already take place anyway. If anything, they're going to allow late-term and third trimester abortions in states like New York, Illinois, and California. States' Rights works both ways.
Look at the income level and poverty levels where the abortions take place. That's the key, not whether they're red or blue.
@loveslongnails That's part of the equation, but there are also many low income families that don't see abortion as an option for moral reasons and wind up having far more kids than they can afford. So income is a hit-and-miss deciding factor.
I understand your reasoning, BUT, the stats don't support it. There are "some" that carry on due to moral obligation, but the clear majority of abortions, 49% according to the Guttmacher Institute, take place at the poverty level or below. Also according to them, the next 26% take place at 2 times the poverty level. My S. O., who works in the Health Care field and has for over 10 years, confirms this as well. To say income is "hit or miss" doesn't coincide with the fact that a full half of all abortions in the USA are for the poorest population.
@loveslongnails Oh I'm not disputing those statistics. That 49% represents the number of low income abortions out of all abortions that take place. I meant (in my second point) what percentage does that 49% represent out of the *total* amount of families who are both below the poverty line and pregnant? I don't believe that abortion statistics count the low income families who decide to have their babies, because they probably never (or very few) even consider going to an abortion clinic for healthcare or advice. They just have their babies. So that 49% could possibly represent a large portion of those low income pregnant families, or a small amount of those low income pregnant families.
My original point is that "blue and red" is a factor because the bluer states generally have the largest cities, the larger populations, the less restrictive abortion laws, and more clinics available.
I understand your point. The stat you are looking for is a bit more difficult to obtain, and my initial research is just a skim. However, on the surface, it's kind of what I expected. So far, the numbers suggested are between 19 and 27%, so anywhere from 1 in 5 to 1 in 4. More research underway. No matter what, the overall occurrence is still incredibly disproportionate towards the poorest Americans.
I find it intriguing that middle class to wealthier whitel Americans in rural areas, and the "religious" rural, are the biggest supporters of abortion restrictions. It's their low income, white and non-white rural neighbors who mostly affected by this, even in their own communities. The whole thing is kind of ironic, isn't it?
@loveslongnails It's a tug-of-war that no one wins except for the politicians, fund raisers, and attention seekers.
The numbers are disproportionate overall towards African-Americans as well (12.5% of the entire population, 51% of all the abortions). I recognize the legal importance of being pro-choice, but that's still exceptionally sad.
I'm honestly not sure what pro-abortion (beyond pro-choice) people want. I just saw a headline that read "Judge In Florida Blocks Anti-Abortion Law". So I clicked on the headline to read the article, expecting this law to be something like super religious, no tolerance, zero abortions allowed. Turns out it was a pro-choice law that set the limit in non-emergency situations at 15 weeks! I don't see why that's not a reasonable demarcation for making a decision in any state. I've posted elsewhere on the site I'd legally support anything between 12 to 16 weeks. Just about every country in Europe has pro-choice laws in place, and they set their demarcation cutoffs between 12 and 14 weeks. I don't understand why there's a portion of the population in this country that believes 15 weeks isn't enough time to make a decision under normal circumstances.
Then you have people protesting in New York and California. Why? These are states that have their cutoff set at 20 weeks or more. That's not enough time to make a decision? Protest in Texas or other more red-leaning states, where it's legitimately going to eventually be non-pro-choice. Otherwise, it's not a pro-choice protest... it's a pro-abortion protest.
I think it's a "representative protest" in those states, and personally, a waste of time.
It would not. Although this is some ugly politics, there are still gonna be women popping Plan B like skittles and having casual sex still.
On the other hand, genuine romantic relationships will not be affected by the Supreme Court's decision. There's already love, trust, and respect in those relationships and if a pregnancy comes, the couples will see it as part of the relationship.
If your in a blue state nothing will happen.
If you got 500 dollars in your bank account for raninjng day nothing will happen.
Poor people already have kids they don't want.
It's the 40-60k women who get the most aboetions will complain.
But with cooperation paying for abortions because 1000 dollars is a lot cheaper tha you being out of the workforce 9 months.
Hopefully it will lead to right-wing men getting even less pussy than they already do, resulting in less right-wing offspring overall, leading to a better future.
In the states abortion is banned, sex ed has been banned for years, premarital sex is a HUGE deal in places like small town Iowa. Families and coworkers judge people for living with their SO before marriage as it has not changed much over the last 50 years. The sexual revolution only hit places like San Francisco.
it'll make anti semitic people come out in droves
we don't believe life begins at conception. we believe it starts at birth. therefore the ruling was simply "christian", and it's making antisemitism ok. Which violates the first amendment
Is being Christian an antisemitic act? 😂
no, imposing your own beliefs on someone, is though
What republican men want, is, for the rich and powerful to be able to abort, but noone else can. Just you watch
If the woman is a progressive who believes that it is the federal government should be involved in medical procedures (despite doctors being licensed to practice medicine in individual states) she'll be bent out of shape for decades.
While I think abortion should be legalized everywhere, the side effects on dating will probably be good. Couples will be more responsible and conscious of their decisions and will be more likely to use contraception properly.
Easiest scenario: couple has sex and gets pregnant. Man adamant that he wants nothing to do with a baby. Now woman, who's also not up for a pregnancy especially alone, has no options
Murder is an option ok
Need a hug?
No but you need a slap
Hey Mr Grumpy Gills. When life gets you down, you know what you gotta do? Just keep swimming. Swiiiiiiiiimimg
Im not down im aggressive. Difference
@RandomGuy1030 swimming swimming what do we do? we swim!
It ultimately won't, in a few months when another scandal is in the highlights of the media, people won't think about it.
The stupid girls will have to take a pill 💊 🙄 every day during breakfast like the rest of us
yeah. people will be more cauteous with birth control now...
There’s going to be a lot more blue balls out there…
Her body, her choice, right? Let her make the decision and see how it affects the outcome of her relationship with him.
I will be fine because I don’t wanna be with a girl that wants to kill the baby
If anything else, it might weed out the more negative options.
The ones that already responsible will be even more the ones that are not are too Dumb to change and never have and never will care
I would hope that women in the affected states would go on a sex strike but that won’t happen.
The overturning of Roe v. Wade means that more and more unmarried couples probably won't practice pre-marital intercourse, and that people won't date as much anymore.
I never understand what's the deal with everyone and sex all the time.
I can't believe they actually did that we really are puritanical state you know I can't answer that yet
We need to add mandatory paternity testing as well.
Stock up on rubbers. Just incase they become restricted as well.
No, be more responsible sexually. People seem to forget that doing it is making a baby and not just fun.
Men should STILL be held FULLY accountable whether they like it or not!
It is not good for men but it is very good for babies.
It does not, has not, and never will affect mine.
Not gonna change anything for me.
Where I live it won't change a thing.
They will have to be more responsible.
I agree with you, @MzAsh.
Shouldn't make any difference at all.
A lot less sex
may get strained
Not at all.
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