How important is social class to you when choosing a partner?

[itsannalee]

[blueonblack22]

Funny how much this STILL concerns women vs how it concerns men.

To an extent it’s understandable that women think this way. For almost all of human history women have relied on men to provide for them and protect them. Only in the last 50 so years with advanced civilization and technology (which was invented and developed by men) have enabled women to make a decent wage on their own.

That’s not a bad idea in concept. I’m totally fine with women being self sufficient and independent.

But we keep trying to defy 1000s of years of evolution and it’s not working. Women are naturally more picky and selfish in mate selection because there was a time in history she had to be. Picking the wrong mate could impact her livelihood and very survival. Now this pickiness isn’t necessary (or appropriate) at all. But at a subconscious level women are programmed to act this way. So I can be patient up and until they start crying victim about “gender equality”.

The ugly reality is that men are disposable. We are needed by women NOT wanted by women. Once a woman determines a mate or potential mate can’t fulfill her needs (regardless if her “needs” are fair or not) he’s immediately expendable. Men do not have intrinsic value in society. We are NOT special for existing.

Women on the other hand are wanted by men but NOT needed. Men don’t need platonic relationships with women to survive in this world. We are independent and know no woman will save and protect us when we are grown adults.

But men are built to deeply value and desire femininity a woman provides (sex, companionship, etc.). Most of us have a natural inclination to treat women better. This predates feminism by hundreds of years (chivalry).

I don’t expect this to ever change. It’s hard coded into our brains. But my only request is for women to respect the position men have in society.

Respect the fact that men are in brutal competition with each other and the world so we can provide what women need. It’s something most women (especially feminists) deeply fail to fully gradp. It’s something that only older long time married mothers/wives figure out after decades living with their husbands and watching their sons grow up It seriously takes most women an full life time to comprehend this

That doesn’t mean women should date men they don’t find useful. But they could do a lot better job at rejecting (respectful) men they do not. But modern feminist poisoned society keeps encouraging the opposite. And that’s the core reason you see so much misogyny coming from men in modern society. Men are primarily angry about not being respected by women.

[V_Injector]

I'm a dude... why would I give a fuck about that? I just want a hot sexy body that makes me feel good mentally.

I've been taking notes as I watch dudes complain about chicks... here is what I have so far...

Tries to dominate, aggressive, combative, disagreeable, fat/bigger than the men, and masculine. She unironically calls you a dude and a bro in the same sentence. (Basically, these chicks are men in my fucking mind)

I think you can find that kind of fucked up woman in every single social class this world has to offer.

Here is the thing about women with money... she isn't going to buy you shit that matters like pay your rent. For chicks yeah, they can find guys that will do that, and so they find it attractive. But some rich bitch is just another bitch in my book. If I get money out of her I'd have to steal it. Then there's the cheating factor. If she's highly sociable with tons of class and I'm just a dude bro, she's probably going to cheat if I give her the chance to. Is what it is, so I won't take my coat off and lay it down for her to walk over a puddle because she'll fucking cheat ASAP anyways... I might as well cheat first and as many times as I can get away with, just so it doesn't feel as bad when she finally cheats.

Short answer: Social class is more of a bad thing when it comes to chicks.

[thatshydork]

Let’s put it this way:

A rich guy can be a douche to me and he wouldn’t be able to get me to love him.

A guy who doesn’t have money can be the sweetest, most respectful and hard working man I’ve ever met and I’d love him.

As Marilyn Monroe once said, “don’t you know that a man having money is like a girl being pretty? You wouldn’t marry a girl just because she’s pretty, but my goodness doesn’t it help?”

Having money is a plus, but that’s not exactly on my list of “top 10 most important qualities in man”. Your financial status can change, but what’s in your heart doesn’t.

[Justneedtokno]

I think at this moment in time, social class is not that important. Although at some level, I’ve realized if you stayed in a city or town or whatever long enough, you start to know some people. Social status. just by being there. There’s an old saying is not about what you know it’s about who you know. Your skills, your education all of that can take you so far to where you can get into those rooms then once you’re there, your networking and your social skills can take you to other rooms, just learn how to talk to people

[AI Opinion]

Aim to unwrap the layered gift of love and compatibility: Social class might initially seem like a big deal, but let me tell you, when Cupid draws back his bow, those arrows don't have a social class detector! Love, at its heart, thrives on understanding, respect, and a mutual runway where both of your dreams can take off. Sure, differing social backgrounds can add some turbulence with lifestyle, values, or expectations, but it's the co-piloting through that turbulence that deepens the bond. So, while social class can influence the initial chapters of your love story, it's the emotional connection, shared values, and love languages that truly write the happily ever after. Let's not box our hearts in social constructs but rather let them soar on the wings of genuine connection. Love is the ultimate equalizer, after all. 😉💘

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

"Let's not box our hearts in social constructs", I agree with your philosophy dear bot, but you are much too inclined to romance here, while you have data telling you about class impact.

But well, I guess your model is prioritizing romanticism, which makes sense, given your role on this platform. Yep.

[OlderAndWiser]

It is important to the extent that it is an indicator of whether we will have sufficient common experiences, common interests and goals. However, I've dated women who were from a lower SES and had a good relationship with them.

[HawkPerception]

Social class? I couldn't care less. They could be the CEO of some highly successful company or on the streets because of some misfortune and wrong decisions in life.

For me, as long as I find a girl physically attractive and compatible personality-wise, I'd be willing to date her.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

To answer a question that hasn't been asked, in this CEO example, roles would reversed. This is most likely her who wouldn't chose you. Because of social class segregation.

[Sonorous]

I'm a man. We don't usually care about that stuff.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

Its important, if a guy has a lot of money unless by some unique circumstances he got to know someone well before dating her, that he should marry someone who understands business.

She will wonder why all the money goes back into the business to save it for taxes, maintenance, emergencies, and supplies. She will likely get jealous of other women who’s men work for wages, though possibly high, buy large pickups or sports-cars, big diamonds, and designer clothes for their gfs fiancé's and wives.

If she comes from upper middle class or an adjacent field/community/family trade, she will understand money and business better and feel secure in having a safety net at least. Money comes and goes, one could sell the business and buy a big house and fancy cars and work for small wages but you've lost the security of the income from your business or the value of selling the business/or other options, in case of emergency.

It isn't always annual personal income-earning that sets classes and worlds apart, its ownership. However, my girlfriend comes from a split home, mom didn't have money, dad did. Dad helped her buy a successful business, however my business earns less, but is worth more, and its rurally located, not urban at all. So there's a huge lifestyle gap.

[mobiusforniner]

Having married into a different social class, and experiencing the conflict and differences first hand, I want to say it is important. Because the lower social class tends to associate living with survival. There is no room for extra activity or personal development and consequently, no focus on individuality or embracing of one self. Making it through each day is an achievement alone. one is literally defined by what others say they are supposed to be; people tend to be more exclusive, fearful of the unknown and closed minded. Money is important.

For the higher social class, there is a strong emphasis on one’s knowledge of arts, science, and culture collectively. Truly cultured people are open minded and diverse. As such, they tend to have a wide range of interests and hobbies not otherwise shared or even considered reachable by lower social classes. Time is important

I discovered the two don’t clash well because at the core, their priorities are very different.

[ManOnFire]

Social class does not matter to me so much as where you come from and what that background is. Social class is more about whether you're rich or poor and how you're viewed because of it. But where you come from/what your background is matters more.

For example, I would not date a woman who comes from the inner city ghetto or hoods, but I would date a woman from the average burbs who might not be wealthy but is smart and has her head and heart in the right place. That's what matters to me. However I would also not date a very wealthy woman who has always had a silver spoon in her mouth and has no social awareness or understanding.

[itsannalee]

Where i come from? Wdym? Where i come from?

[ManOnFire]

@itsannalee I think I explained that clearly in my answer. I'm not talking about countries. I'm talking about area/community.

[RubyFrench]

Its not important. Its about how they treat you and how loyal they are and if they are prepared to bring something good to the table to go towards starting a life with you, and of course that they put in an effort, This goes both ways. Whether he's a trolly man or a business man you shouldn't be picking a partner based on that, you should be basing it on if you genuinely like who they are in full. (somebody can gain social class at any time in their life) so its not something you should fully base that type of a decision on as you can miss out on a lot of good men.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I see an issue in this question, technically it is not people choosing classes, it is classes choosing people. This is how the system works, from collective to individual, not from individual to collective. What it means is that, statistically speaking, people will largely favour a certain class, depending on set parameters.

It doesn't discard our individual decision in partner choice, but our social class really influences our choice. Again, statistically speaking.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Here is a source not too long to read, on that aspect:
en.wikipedia.org/.../Sociology_of_the_family

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Catchphrase from the previous link:
Studies have shown that men and women tend to marry partners that have attained a level of education similar to their own

[HighValue]

For the most part, most men don't care about it, but most women DO care about it a lot, even if they lie on social media to try to sound politically correct.

I have noticed that many women that have degrees and earn decent money get angry at men because men aren't impressed and a woman with good moral values that works part time minimum wage is just as or more appealing to most men than someone that spent years of her life trying to achieve a higher status career. Their greatest accomplishment ) in their opinion) actually has next to no value to a potential good quality partner.

[molonski2]

Super important for certain , just absolutely vital currently.

I used to think the opposite , bottom line you can " save " anyone , they will return to their roots always , classless will always be the same , and these people are extremely embarrassing , they will not change.

[ArrowheadSW]

I think it is more important that some might realize. There is a difference in how they view the world around them and expectations within a family, etc. One thing that comes to mind is how a couple might view a teenage child approaching the age of 18. One might think that you are to kick them out the day after they turn 18, and another might think you need to support that child until they have at least a 4 year college degree if not longer. This is just one example of many.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

I want my kids to work in our family business, hell I’ll help the one that decides build a house even.

[Berethor]

It's not important to me, men tend to care about female's youth, not her social status.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

I thought that too, it is true, I mean a woman has to be young enough to be fertile to have kids, duh. I lost my kids in family court to a crazy woman when I was about 24. We got together at 20. I wasted my 20s on lawyers and trying to hide income so I didn’t pay an abusive alcoholic that wouldn’t use the money to help my kids and who alienated them from me.

Class is important, if you have something besides just kids with her, to lose. Losing them was tough enough, imagine losing everything. At least I can still start over and have kids again, building a fifth generation family business? Lol hell no

[MemeSupreme]

kinda important bc idkk why but people who never struggled growing up kind of annoy me a little

it's stupid but i just wanna date someone who gets it and i don't gotta explain it to them. ofc it's not a requirement but it's what i prefer

[laurlaur101]

As long as they treat me well and compatible with me then that’s all that matters but the thing is I don’t want to be driving guys around I don’t want the guy to rely on me for certain things that they could be doing I don’t want to be used for anything

[menina]

I only know two things about this.

1- I want to be with someone who's polite, smart, respectful and knows how to hold a conversation.

2- I don't want to date or marry a rich man.

[EmmaMary]

@itsannalee

It's complete and utter meaningless Bollox.

[DrPepper12]

Very. USA Americans are sorting themselves like never before and classes are becoming VERY rigid with little social mobility.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Is it really increasing statistically? I'm interested in the topic if you have something to share

[DrPepper12]

I'm a subscriber to the economist, your local library may have access to the article cuz It's behind a pay wall that I can't defeat... Yet

This is the really good and scholarly stuff but I'll see what else I can find

The Economist has explored the concept of Americans sorting themselves by class in several articles over the years.

One article, "Middle of the Class," discusses how Americans are increasingly being divided into two groups: the "haves" and the "have-nots." This division is attributed to declining social mobility and increasing income inequality, driven by globalization and changes in the workforce. The gap between those with and without a college degree has widened, making education a key factor in social stratification.

Another article, "The Big Sort," highlights how Americans are choosing to live among like-minded neighbors, leading to cultural and political polarization. This sorting is not primarily driven by economic factors but by cultural preferences, as people choose neighborhoods that align with their ideological beliefs. This has resulted in increased segregation and reduced exposure to differing viewpoints.

Additionally, socioeconomic sorting at the metropolitan level is contributing to polarization, with migration patterns influenced by social class shaping the demographic landscape of the nation. These trends indicate a growing divide in American society based on class and cultural preferences.

[DrPepper12]

www.bloomberg.com/.../how-americans-self-sort-themselves-by-age-and-class

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Okay, that's terrible to read... for spatial segregation as well 😔

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Though spatial segregation seems universally adopted somehow, I think I suspect US to push it even further. We do have here some urban management plans that push social diversity, though underused. Like planting building of low cost renting among middle class areas for instance, do you have this sort of things in US?

[DrPepper12]

It's attempted but never successfully. The NIMBYs strike and kill any affordable housing projects

[lightbulb27]

none. behavior, values, character.

that said, some probably wouldn't fit... moreso at the high end of the spectrum. I would not enjoy being attached to a star and in the limelight.

[FreyaRed]

It wasn't important as teen, now it does. I guess I was indoctrinated by school education to believe in fairy tales like "we are all equal".

[TheLovelyWoman]

I used to believe that it does not matter, but once I have a family, kids, and expenses I think I should have chosen more carefully.

[RebelinSteel]

It is pretty much a load of bollox, people can be complete fuckwits going on about it.

[TacosRAwesome]

Im mostly neutral on how much money he has / makes but I do want someone who has a level of classiness that I trust wouldn't embarrass me in a social situation. To be clear I'm from a middle of the road family wit middle of the road friends.

[BetaBucks]

Very important. I'm not dating richie chicks or ghetto/trailer girls ever again. I just want normal, working class girls.

[andreasderjuengere]

It's very important to me.

Where ''class'' is not specified by income, titles, or other social show-off's.

Class -to me - is a personality and character trait.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

You're modifying the intended definition of the word here... 😏

[andreasderjuengere]

@Maybe_Maybe_not--- Do you mean this century's consumerist meaning, or the meaning that had been in use earlier?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I mean it in sociological terms, either neutral school, or even Marxist school. That's why I'm enquiring because when you say personality and traits I don't follow your train 😅

[andreasderjuengere]

@Maybe_Maybe_not - that's allright, heh heh. My train perhaps is going to a different destination than yours...

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Not perhaps, certainly, and I think i know this destination 🚄

[Simslover92]

It's not that important to me. I'd much rather focus on who the person is and how they treat me than their social standing.

[morganherrel]

Social class is a compatibility issue. It affects personality, behavior, values, and interests. If you're able to find love with low class people, then more power to you! But it can present many legitimate issues if you're not lucky.

[RingOfFire]

It's very important to me. I don't want a rich girl. Grew up with that all around me and they're not my type. So spoiled and snobbish... Very unattractive to me.

[MisterWack]

None. I have my partner and I’m happy with her.

[sawno]

Not at all, I care about her personality not her background.

[Phoenix98]

Somewhat important.

I mean everyone has a class or group of people they don't really associate with for whatever reason.

[Still-alive]

as long as they seem like a responsible person who can hold their own is the important thing for me. doesn't matter where they are on the socioeconomic strata

[Anonymous]

I want a beautiful woman that is it. You're not beautiful and sexy? I don't want you.

[itsannalee]

It’s easy to get beautiful, sexy, hot and educated girls when u are rich and from high social class.

[Opinion Owner]

You don't need those things to get beautiful women though. Those things are secondary in my opinion. Primary is can you make her cum endlessly? I can. That's why I get bitches in my bedroom cuz they know I will satisfy their darkest desires.

[itsannalee]

Haha that’s how mostly men with no money who expect a lot from women always say. Because only that all they can offer, some women who only have beautiful body and look who always expect men to be rich for them without improving their values, because only that all they can offer.

[Opinion Owner]

I think it's funny how you try to rationalize it. At the end of the day women want money and men want beauty.

Is either one of us moral or good? No.

Standards are something you develop with experience. A mature woman doesn't marry for money and a mature man doesn't marry for beauty.

[itsannalee]

Actually a mature women will marry someone who fits with their lifestyle, and mature women will be more realistic. Young people often only marry for love without thinking for the future.

[exitseven]

I would stay away from somebody who is a spoiled entitled person from a wealthy family.

[Kingofkings1992]

Only women care about social class. Most women want their man to make at least as much if not more than they do. For men, as long as we’re attracted and the vibe is good, that’s enough for the overwhelming majority of us.

[MicahRaine]

It doesn't matter to me in of itself. It only matters if they want a lifestyle I can't provide.

[Iron_Man]

It’s important you don’t want to have a backwards redneck girl that’s trashy out in public with no class

[LiamJHayden]

It isn't. She could be a partner in a huge law firm or a cashier at Taco Bell (I've dated both) for all I care, as long as we click.

[AmeerX]

If I marry a foreigner I can marry anyone as long as she loves me. But locally, social class and appearances matter a lot

[Staximus]

Social classes here are becoming a thing of the past, it's mostly just financial classes now

[itsannalee]

I have never seen anyone from a high social class become poor.

[Staximus]

What planet are you living on? There are plenty of people everywhere who were born rich and died broke, and vice versa.

[itsannalee]

So if they are poor they aren’t from high social class. They were, not they are 🤡

[ICanSmellTheCosmos]

I don't care so long as she doesn't have a bunch of debt.

[Bklynbadboy12]

Not vwry important at all. To me it means nothing. What about you? Is it important to you why or why not?

[Maybeyoutoo]

Absolutely. The woman I marry must be white, Christian, intelligent, and beautiful.

[noohair]

This is not Europe. This country was an escape from all that royal blue blood crap.

[Nikki1989]

It is totally meaningless.

[Agape93]

It isn't and I don't recognize social classes

[Xawyx]

Not at all, as long as I like her.

[Ladsin2]

Women care, men don't.

[nawtee_me]

makes no difference to me at all...

[SoJust]

It is not very important

[bobby_bush_eater]

Entirely irrelevant

[Pohjolan]

Basically irrelevant.

[NathanDavis]

it isn't

[Kaneki05]

It's not.

[quickquesocheese]

not at all.

[Fireguy17]

not at all.

[jahaims]

Not at all

[Anonymous]

Not at all

[EnjoytheDay777]

I don't give a shit