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Many are "religious". I put that in quotes because most of these "religious" people have never read the Bible. Or pick and choose a handful of verses to follow at **their** convenience, what supports **their** ideology which isn't religious in the slightest.
If these "religious" people did read the Bible, after all, they'd realize that there is no mention of abortion. The concept doesn't exist.
Closest verse is Exodus 21:22-25 in which the fetus is given the same value of a cow or goat. It says if fighting men hit & cause a woman to give birth prematurely... the assaulter is taken to the courts & must pay whatever fine the father deems fair whereas if the woman is killed then the father has his right to kill the assaulter. . Many of the most uneducated and utterly most ignorant of these make-believe "religious" use verses relating to JESUS to claim that abortion is a sin. This guy is a prime example of using JESUS in relation to any child. https://www.dougbrittonbooks.com/onlinebiblestudies-cultureandsocietyinfluences/abortionoflifeinthewomb-sinandgodsforgiveness/
The ignorance & stupidity of the guy in the link & many "religious" like him is proven in one of the lines he quotes which very obviously refers to JESUS not any child
>> The word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:4-5)
The only prophet in the Christian religion is JESUS. Not any one else.
Abortion IS a Sin. Get your facts stright. You don't need to be anything to read the Bible. Either you know who God is or you don't. You can read the Bible until the end of your days, if you are not born again, if you have not repented of your sins and give your life to Jesus, if you don't know God, you're in trouble. Period. If you need to see the word abortion known to know that abortion is a anyone, it's is a lot where your morals is. Pretty much nonexistent. I love the word of God is written within you, either you have the kingdom of God in you which Jesus has spoken about, or you don't have him at all. If you don't have the Holy Spirit to tell you these things, your left on your own to figure these out. Before you want to talk about anything, make sure you know Jesus Will who he is and where he stands before you want his preach anything about religion, the Bible, or anything else.
You can make the Bible say anything if you consider context. That’s why we have so many denominations. Even progressive Christianity. Any sensible person agrees that this is not what the Bible is interpreted to be. Having read and understanding the Bible makes me read this and just immediately makes me think you’re entirely ignorant on the subject matter.
@Not_Average You do not need to attend church to know God. It is a personal choice. You are born with the knowledge of Good and Evil. If you think abortion is not wrong, it says a lot right there. It is murder. Either your human or your not. Not everybody with human skin is human which is why some people can do evil without a conscience because not everybody has a human soul. Humans naturally mourn the lost of a loved one. That includes the unborn.
If you don't go to the Father to ask, how would you know? If you have the Holy Spirit and convert to the ways of God. Not religion, you would know it is murder. You would feel in your gut, you would naturally feel guilt, you would sense something is WRONG, your intuition would tell you. How would you know that? Because conviction reaches to those who are willing and open to hearing. If your not open to hearing from the spirit, then your spiritually blind and bankrupt. Think about this, why do you think some women and men can cheat and have multiple sex partners, be it if they have a disease or not and have no remorse? Do you think some people are just sociopaths or psychopaths simply because? No. Even sociopaths and psychopaths can chance through God's Grace. The question is do they desire to be saved? You better think about this. Anybody can lie in church, yes, but that is why you have to go to the Father yourself. It is YOUR journey, YOUR LIFE, YOUR SALVATION. Nobody else. If you have no true desire to know Christ, to know the Father who created YOU. You cannot judge what is and isn't sin. Because if it is not sinning, why so many need therapy after abortion? Nobody uses their brains. So unless you have a Prometheus movie going on where your birthing a human-alien hybrid, you commited murder.
The one that you being ignorant is yourself. You have no idea what it was like back then to even say what those things said. First of all children very much had the same value. Why don't you give the versus instead of pointing out who's being ignorant and stupid? Murder is still murder. And for your information didn't I just say not everybody is born human? Do you not realize there were other beings and types of races down here to have nothing to do with human skin? Have you not seen V, with the reptiles trying to take over earth after tgey depleted the other planets resources? THAT is what we are up against. And guess what sir, they're already down here! So be careful who you lay up with.
I read the whole book of Exodus and let me tell you something, unless you're talking about the Egyptians, you are speaking about something else. Stop adding and twisting scripture. I knew something was fishy and off. Your refering to Exodus 21:23
The 22nd verse refers to if two men were fighting and they accidentally attacked a pregnant woman. And if the child is born premature, that man would be punished according to what her husband says should be done. The woman or the child is npt mentioned. If that child died as a result of what that man did, then that man is the one who gets to lose his life in place of the innocent child that died in her womb. So you sir, not only have Twisted scripture, you've lied. And your life is an attempt to cause division, strive and confusion. My advice to you is to repent and don't speak the thing So lightly and you know nothing of what it says. Or you are held to accountability.
Funny how you can't give the entirety of the chapter you want to add confusion. I don't see how was it you pass Elementary Ela class. Anybody who have a basic education would know exactly what is being said.
@Not_Average You that mad that you have to throw scripture to try to shame me for speaking the truth? Let me tell you something. God is not mocked. Don't try to use scripture to try to silence me because you got caught.
@btbc92 I’m not mocking you or trying to shame you. I’m not angry in the slightest. I’m trying to point scripture out because I care about you and your salvation. I also care about giving glory to god by showing others the truth. Mocking those who do not understand will only stray them away. It will leave a bitter taste in their mouth whenever they hear about Jesus because you just insulted him personally. We ought to hold each other accountable to bring glory to god. I’m going to pray for you.
1 Peter 2:23 “He did not revile back; when He suffered, He did not threaten."
Look at how many times Jesus has been mocked throughout the gospels. How did he respond? Do you remember reading when they threw rocks at Jesus with his disciples? It’s in the book of John. What about when Peter cut off the Malchus and Jesus told him to stand down?
@btbc92 You said > You that mad that you have to throw scripture to try to shame me for speaking the truth? Let me tell you something. God is not mocked. Don't try to use scripture to try to silence me because you got caught. < so in reality you haven't read the Bible, you have less than no clue about the Bible and are not really religious as said.
I got my bible right next to me. BOTH KJV and NIV, and multitudes of NKJV. Before you want to stop talkin about anything maybe you better read your Bible.
He's just using scripture because he don't like the fact that he got caught in a lie. And before you want to start talkin about bring for scripture and read your Bible. I don't expect you to believe me. Either you want to believe the word of God for yourself or you don't. I'm not going to waste my time. Trust me, you do not want me to put up thousands of scriptures referring to anything you want to say. It is flat-out murder. You don't like that it's murder, then you take that up with God.
@btbc92 ROFL. I come from a religious family. People, such as preachers, who teach pew fillers like you who never read a Bible and wouldn't be able to identify a verse if your life depended on it. Obvious by how you can not refer to any verse about abortion. So until you can actually read and comprehend what God says I have no interest in you.
You came from a religious family but you know nothing about God and you don't know anything of who God is? That is your personal choice. And like I told you I have my Bible sweetheart. I grew up going to Christian churches and I did not go to a Christian Church just a few years ago. And I can refer to any verse about abortion but you know what the problem is with people like yourself? You don't care no matter what is being said to you. What you doing when you commit abortion is witchcraft. Not only are you cursing yourself you're cursing your generational line. You have no interest in anything that's of God as we are because you're rebellious as hell. And you're mad because you can't do anything that you please. You can do whatever it is that you want you got free will to choose. But the one that has to answer to God at the end of this life is yourself.
@btbc92 So you know nothing of God and his teachings is what you're telling me. Because I am waiting and I am waiting for you to tell me a single verse that says abortion is a sin. If you knew the Bible and the teachings of God why are you hesitating to provide actual information?
I don't have to hesitate to tell you actual information you don't have the Holy Spirit which is why you question the way you do. You should already know those who worship moloch have already done so. Abortion is witchcraft and it creates generational curses and you end up hurting yourself if you need to see that abortion is murder that's is a lot right there. The Hebrew in the Israelites knew that abortion was murder. Those who continue to do what they did and they had sexual relations outside of marriage were stoned to death. Those who giving up their children for sacrifices you should already know what happened to them. I do not have to tell you all that is all written throughout the Old Testament.
@btbc92 I have more Holy Spirit than you will ever be capable of. Why? Because I read the Bible and I follow it as it is written. I do not makeup rubbish as you and other people like you do. In the end you and your ilk, satan-followers, will be judged accordingly for subverting God's message and teachings.
@btbc92 And now you insult other religions with your warped views > The Hebrew in the Israelites knew that abortion was murder. . < like Christianity there is no mention in the Hebrew bible of abortion.
You think you got the holy spirit because you talked about how you read the Bible and you know more than anybody else? Do you not know that's a sin would you be talkin about what you're talkin about? You just proved to me right there who you actually are. You should know by now if you said you know God that God does not care about religion. There's about what you've done to him through his son Jesus or you don't.
@btbc92 And yet for all your claims you are unable to name a single verse. Why is that?
Or better yet... do you know what the seven sins are? Pride in oneself where it doesn't belong, such as yourself, is one. Wrath where it is unjustified, as with you, is another. Sloth in the sense of being unable to do anything or research anything, as with you and your inability to refer to a verse, is another.
Like I said I grew up in a religious family people came from miles and other towns entirely to hear my grandfather preach. My father's family has been involved in the church for ten generations. Once you can give me a single verse justifying your claims then you'll have something to say.
This is where I say get behind me Satan. Get behind me. You're the one with the pride Spirit. Not me. I pretty much named you multiple versus but the fact that you never actually read them shows me a lot cuz you have no desire to actually do so. Sounds like sloths.
@btbc92 No you didn't name a single verse, prideful glutton. You lied. You dithered about nothing. You made false claims and slandered both Christian and Hebrew religions.
Everything you're talking about me you're talkin about yourself and now I'm sensing and knowing why. It's because you committed these since when you were younger. I already gave you a hint the fact that I got to do your homework for you says a lot right there. There has been involved so-called religiously for ten generations, and you can't get off your Duff is an actually read and ask God for clarity. Tells me a lot where you are. I ain't spiritually responsible for your salvation. You're spiritually responsible for yourself. Stop blaming your parents and stop blaming other people for your own inadequacy.
I think it’s clear you’re not familiar with scripture. You keep saying that you come from a religious family. That doesn’t mean anything. This isn’t a religion. It’s a relationship. Maybe this can simplify it for you. There’s plenty of scripture that showcases abortion is a sin. Allen Parr breaks it down pretty well.
@btbc92 Yet again you can not name a verse because you have never read the Bible. Do you know that God hates with a passion liars such as yourself? There are many verses about His contempt for liars. One of my personal favorites, and which applies well to you, is:
Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
In God's eyes liars are something of a defiler and an abomination. You haven't quoted one verse of value. Nevermind one relating to abortion.
If that's the case then why I'm hearing him laughing about this whole entire thing? Not only am I speaking to a rebellious Spirit, you are a Pharisee. And I bind up that religious spirit right now in the name of Yeshua according to Matthew 18:18.
@btbc92 Uh-huh. If you hear someone in your head it's likely not God. Don't forget to take your medications sweetie. Never skip a day. They're needed. Desperately.
Watch the video. There’s tons. Watch like 5 minutes. I don’t want to pull out every single one. About to go out. The fact that you don’t realize our body is not ours, but rather a creation of god says a lot. But I’d urge you to watch the video because he’d break down everything I would. It’s very clear.
@Not_Average Watch a video? What a worthless waste of time meant for uneducated people who are too lazy, too caught up in the sin of sloth, to actually do something with themselves. Read the Bible and then try and see if you're right. You won't be.
@btbc92 You asked who said I am hearing him in my head? ,... Five seconds ago you posted this > I'm hearing him laughing about this whole entire thing? < unless God's sitting in your lap sweetie it's not the voice in your head. Seek help.
So Opinion Owner. You are a nonbeliever. You calling all the people with pride and here you are spewing what you're spewing which is of pride. Blind and in reprobate.
For somebody who claims to know the Bible more than any of us, you would know that everybody also have spiritual five senses, spiritual eyes, spiritual ears, spiritual taste, spiritual touch, and spiritual smell. I said I can hear him laughing hearing does not mean Hearing in my head! You have proven yourself to not only be a hypocrite but a fraud.
@btbc92 Actually no. We're not. We achieve that through enlightenment which comes from reading the Bible something you've never done. If you had you'd be able to provide verses from any of the Books that prove abortion is a sin. You haven't been able to provide a verse because you've never read the Bible.
If you do indeed hear voices that's Satan whispering in your ear.
So much ignorance. Not only are you saying that the word of God is alive, you're lying to God and you calling God a liar, you called every prophet and prophetesses and seers and Saints and those are called by God in the Bible a liar. Again, I don't have to prove to you that I never read the Bible because I have read the Bible. And everything I said it's written in the Bible. So you can go ahead and continue with your lying God knows who to sweetheart. The fact that the same person that I had a conversation with earlier had to tell you the same thing is really sad. Very sad. The fact that even he had to tell you that you're wrong shows a lot.
And I could tell you're hard of hearing because nobody said Somebody's whispering in my ear. Spiritual heirs have to do what the spirit. If you are not spiritually in tune with God you're not going to hear or see or smell, it's anything hey. I can tell you or not. But I've always been that way. Your unbelief is proof of that enough but that's what are the mommy and daddy issues you got that you didn't get healed from.
What I'm sensing is that you were fornicating when you were younger with some boy, you got pregnant, the parents found out, you went to go get an abortion and now you want to claim and talk about how abortion is it a sin. You keep repeating yourself like a broken record without me you don't really got much of an education.
@btbc92 - You do know you amuse me. Hopefully in the afterlife you get the help you require as you most certainly do not get it in real life.
As for your comical claims - slander of which is another version of sin, it's part of gluttony and greed - such as blubbering what was it I "fornicated when young" and my "parents found out" and I had "an abortion" ... I've only dated one guy, in university, and I've never been pregnant.
If you only dated one guy when you was in University why are you so adamant about abortion if you was taught right about fornication and not having sex before marriage? So I want to know the truth opinion owner what the hell will you was doing that makes you so adamant and saying abortion is not a sin? I don't have to slander you, I don't have gluttony, and I don't have greed, and I am not a private person or anything you want to talk about with me, because if you was anything then what you want to try to say that you're not you will come out with the truth.
@btbc92 Why am so adamant and saying abortion is not a sin? ... Because there's nothing in the Bible heathen that says it is. If there was since you are so gun-ho that it is, why in god's name have you been unable to name a verse? Well aside from the obvious... you've never read the Bible.
And yes you are blatantly displaying some of the seven sins. If you read the Bible and, more importantly, comprehended it you'd realize that.
@btbc92 You asked > Are you a virgin? ... I did say, a few times, I come from a long-term religious family so yes. Not that it's relevant because well you've read the Bible.
Oh, is very much relevant because you want to call me out all kinds of things that's why I asked you that very question. I don't care if it came from a religious family or not. I know plenty of people who did and many of them are. Now you're saying I've read the Bible all before you kept saying out for didn't read the Bible.
Oh I never read the Bible, now? This is funny. What did you be involved in the so-called religious family have anything to do with your sexual choices if you're saying abortion isn't a sin? So you're saying that premarital sex isn't also a sin?
@btbc92 ... Saying you read the Bible was a typo, sweetie, and why I corrected it right after with you've never read the Bible. ... And I am calling you out because you keep saying stuff but you can't, for the life of you, back it up. That's what liars do. I've asked repeatedly for a verse that says abortion is a sin.
And I asked you a straight question. No I'm pretty sure it was more than just a typo. You do know what I'm talking about and you're being deflective about it. You know abortion is a sin. I don't even have to give you any verse that talks about it because like the other user said plenty of verses that talk about it. You didn't even want to see the video. But yet you're calling me a liar. And now you're telling us about some boy and University which also gave me a clue right there. The moment you talked about this boy from University you already put yourself in the spot.
@btbc92 - You know abortion is a sin. I don't even have to give you any verse that talks about it because like the other user said plenty of verses that talk about it. You didn't even want to see the video.
Why would I watch a video when I've read the Bible? Hmmm... Makes no sense. Makes less than no sense. But when, like you & @not_average, have never touched a Bible in your life a cheap video is wonderous.
And no there are no lines about abortion. There are lines about Jesus in relation to birth that sinners, like you, think involves abortion.
Because you would also know the word of God says study yourself approved. That means no matter how you got to understand it you can watch videos, you can read supplemental both, you can ask anybody for help.
@btbc92 You said > Because you would also know the word of God says study yourself approved. That means no matter how you got to understand it you can watch videos, you can read supplemental both, you can ask anybody for help. <
The person in the video has no religious teaching and would have a limited understanding of the Bible. Why would I watch it? What am I to learn? ... And hmmm sweetie God excepts you to read the Bible not watch videos. The law of God is that you don't have to go to church.
But think you for making me look them up again that have been so LONG that I hace read. ^^
Psalm 139:13-16 Jeremiah 1:5 Genesis 1:27 Numbers 5:27-28 <- I remember this one. Very deep indeed. Psalm 127:3-5 Numbers 5:19-22 Proverbs 6:16-19 Job 31:15
If you cannot understand any of this precious and I'm pretty sure it is a good few more, it says a lot. Even I understand it's saying the very thing you don't want to hear. Abortion is murder.
God doesn't care about religion. He cares about your spiritual walk with him. No God expects me to humble myself before him and to walk as Jesus Walks. I hear from God every single day. I know his promises is for me. He knows who I am. And I can read the Bible, High praise and worship music, listen to Messianic music, having that time with God. So in love with your double-minded ways, woman. Unstable in all her ways. " if you're of me, turn back from your ways."
@btbc92 ROFL Would help if you read the Bible & not just picked verses.
Psalm 139:13-16 > relates to David who was considered a sinner and a non-follower of God. It speaks of his reawakening as a Christian. Not a literal child. The entire verse makes that very clear.
Jeremiah 1:5 > relates to Jesus. NOBODY else. Just only ever Jesus. The line "I appointed you as a prophet to the nations" makes that very, very clear for there is ONLY ONE PROPHET.
Genesis 1:27 > relates to Adam and Eve in the Garden. Can't be any simpler when it refers to God creating them in his own image as that is exactly how Adam at least was created.
Numbers 5:27-28 > Refers to adultery which is indeed a sin. Has less than nothing to do with actual abortion itself.
Psalm 127:3-5 > Has nothing to do with abortion, less than nothing actually. Just gives credit to someone who has multiple children & blessed be thou.
Numbers 5:19-22 > Once again is adultery, which is again indeed a sin, but has absolutely nothing to do with abortion outside of the SIN OF ADULTERY. DUH.
Proverbs 6:16-19 > Yes, yourself talking of hearing voices in your head & speaking of heathen ideology like "spiritual heirs".
Job 31:15 > Those are the words of Job. Do you have any idea who he is? Even the teeniest of ideas? He refers to himself and his servants as servants of God created to serve god. Nothing of abortion..
Thank you very much for the amusement. You've referred to one line about a convert to Christianity, one line about Jesus, one line about Job and the rest has nothing to do with abortion. ADULTERY is a SIN.
Your carnal minded. I don't expect you to see it. The whole word of God talks about Jesus. But if you want me to prove it to you with those verses. Then I will.
Psalm 139:13-16
"For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother’s womb. 14 I will praise You, I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works, And that my soul knows very well."
David is talking more about him being just a sinner. I don't know what you've been taught but it's very clear that David has always been born of the Lord all of them have. The entire verse says that God formed his inner parts. Meaning his organs, but that can also mean who he is spiritually as well because we also have a spirit man. He covered him in his mother's womb, which means during his conception which we all know, we are in a sack to help protect us when we are in our mother's womb. That is also symbolic. Because there is spiritual warfare when your pregnant with a child. The next verse talks about us being made in God's image. Without the father who created us we would be nothing. He didn't have to allow us to make it into his life but he did. And because he understand this fully well he will worship and praise the Lord with all his heart and all his might. That is another reason why they have always said that David is a man after God's Own Heart.
For somebody who's claiming to know so much you wouldn't know that Christianity was not around during King David's time. Christianity happened after Jesus have ascended to heaven. Everything that you're saying tells me that either you was once Christian and went elsewhere or you're Muslim.
Did you know they performed abortions in the ancient world too? Numbers 5:19-22, is talking about abortion. And miscarriage. For somebody that wants to talk about abortion. Being a send and you should also know how they used to do abortions back then. Pretty much similar to have a lot of teenage girls and some young women with go to the pharmacy and be getting some liquid whatever that drug was that the laxative and they'll be doing induce abortions in order to pass the fetus in the bathroom. same liquid that they're talking about and that scripture is technically what you can call similar to that. That's why is considered a curse. If the woman was not caught in adultery then it will not affect her and she will not miscarry. If it's proven that she did commit adultery, then that's considered induced abortion as part of yhe curse. How can you not understand that part it's actually pretty simple. And actually it does because adultery is fornication and fornication is premarital sex. In premarital sex is sexual relations outside of marriage. Adultery is extramarital Affairs while you are still legally married to another. Adultery and fornication is interchangeably the same thing.
Abortion is murder. How do you know that God thinks abortion is not murder? What makes you so sure God loves that women kill their own offsprings. The ones that God created in women's wombs?
Sorry, you don't know the Chrisitan "religion" very well. Many people in the New Testament are called "prophets" and "Prophet" is even one of the five-fold callings in Ministry in the New Testament, allegedly the second highest calling as a matter of fact. This fact single-handedly debunks your entire argument.
Jeremiah 1:1-5 is not referring to Jesus either, It's referring to Jeremiah himself. That is God's personally calling of Jeremiah to prophesy against the nation of Israel.
Numbers 23:19 FORBIDS Jesus from being the Messiah, as it says God is not a man and is not the Son of man, which means either way, Jeremiah 1:1-5 cannot be talking about Jesus.
Anyway, I'm no longer a Christian, but you are just flat out IGNORANT of anything reven remotely resembling christianity.
Anyway, Since Jeremiah had his calling before his physical body was even formed in the womb, then that means the Soul exists before the physical body is even formed in the womb, and that makes ALL abortions MURDER.
No, I know one particular group that is anti-abortionists.
Ancap Libertarians, especially the hoppean ones, the argument is about the potential of the fetus to be a functional human being later overriding the mother's right to her own body, simply because an abortion is not about a woman's body, it's about the baby's body, he already has his own rights.
An analogy used is about an invited guest being in your house (because a baby was not there uninvited, the woman had sex before (not talking about rape cases for the time being)), and you kill him because you don't want him there anymore, not fair right?
About rape cases, the argument still stands because it's not the baby's fault he was there, so the solution is giving him to someone else to take care of, or anything that does not involve killing him.
The basic premise is that natural rights go as far as biologically possible for a human being, so this includes fetuses.
I'm not saying I agree with this, I honestly do not have my own opinion, I'm just informing you about this argument.
Yeah that is what happens when you ban contraception, ban abortions, and leave it up to religion to ‘Care’ for the young mothers and their children.
This will happen the world over, put money on it.
Imagine rather than a termination (which has emotional impact on the mother) you simply shift things right, and then abuse the child in the care homes and care system, casually disposing of those that don’t survive.
Religion aside, I just think it’s morally wrong to stop a life just because you’re too irresponsible to wrap up or use the endless birth control options. That thing has a heart beat whether you consider it life or not. Stopping that heart beat by killing it just seems wrong. If you’re that irresponsible, then grow up and take care of the kid instead of being so selfish. I’ve been in the position of having an unexpected pregnancy, and we decided to proceed and have it based on our moral stance on it without any of it having to do with religion. I wasn’t a Christian at the time. Unfortunately she had a miscarriage which was devastating. She had such an emotional attachment to it.
I think if we can consider certain molecules on Mars to be life, then we can consider a human heart beat to be life. It’s a matter of individual perspective in my opinion.
How does bacteria on your dishes compare to a human heart beat? I’m illustrating the point that molecules are a much lesser form of life than a human heart beat, and we still consider that to be life. The two don’t compare. That was my point.
Abortion is a medical procedure & every woman should have access to it. Anti-abortion activists are not pro-life, they are pro-birth. Pro-life implies that they want the child to have the best life possible, including government assistance to make sure it happens.
Some may just consider it immoral about taking the life of a child because they were too dumb not to use birth control. You don't have to be religious for that view.
Birth control isn't 100% effective. Condoms can tear and pills may take hours before complete activation. What do you do then? Arguments like this fail quite easily
Sometimes people wanna have babies but just not now. What do you want men to do, get a vasectomy and then reverse it whenever they wanna have babies and then get a vasectomy again after becoming successfully pregnant? Your ideas are just ridiculous. They only work in theory not in reality
I think there is some correlation between anti-abortionists and being religious definitely, particularly from Christianity- but that’s not to say that all Christians are anti-abortion and none the less we should respect the beliefs of the Christians who disagree with abortions.
And it’s also worth noting that not every religious person is anti-abortion, and not every anti-abortionist is religious.
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Now that’s really open-minded of you. Just because you can’t think of one doesn’t mean there aren’t any. Isn’t for example, a scientific matter to discuss when life begins? Or medical or psychological effects of abortion? Or do you think those are solely religious matters?
There is definitely a correlation between certain religions/sects & being anti-abortion, especially within the Catholic (& parts of the Protestant) West.
I just found this for you. https://www. pewresearch. org/fact-tank/2016/06/21/where-major-religious-groups-stand-on-abortion/ft_16-06-22_churchabortion/
There is NO WAY that's true. fetuses have all there nerves in place LONG before they're big enough to be aborted. I think, if you're going to sack the baby at all, at least preserve life, and send them to an orphanage. Oh, and fix orphanages while we're at it.
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no, they are fascists that want to force their opinion on other xD doesn't need a religion for that, though religion is sort of the same in principle, so there's a lot of overlap.
@LillKrull can you talk about the morality of forcing a child to grow up in a parents house that doesn't want it or litterally can not care for it adequately?
There's no consciousness in a fetus. How is birth control any morally better?
If you don't want your child, put it up for adoption, because someone will want that child.
And even then, you have a multitude of options before the pregnancy, condoms and birth control pills to name a few. If you really don't have the resources to take care of a baby and really can't risk it. Don't have sex! It's that simple.
You cannot deny the fact that you are terminating a human life when performing an abortion in any stage of the pregnancy, so how do you justify it?
@LillKrull You cannot deny the fact that you are terminating a human life when performing an abortion in any stage of the pregnancy, so how do you justify it? simple. you're terminating a billion lifes everytime you jizz in a kleenex. so how do you justify doing that?
@LillKrull you can put all the children you want through adoption. i prefer not to do that. you keep your opinion, i keep mine. conversation over. there's nothing for eithe rof us to be gained from this conversation. all you're trying is forcing your opinion down my throat which i'm not gonna let you do.
Everyone's religious about something, so techincally the answer is 'yes'. The answer then is also technically 'yes' that all pro-abortionists are religious.
But commonly beiing "religious" is referring to an actual religion, which, not everyone is of one. So, no, not all pro-lifers belong to a religion.
He does a lot of live debates with people on his channel on all sorts of topics, including abortion. He conceded one of the more recent ones and then changed his view. Some pro-choice people are hypocrites anyway, I mean why doesn't a boy get to choice whether or not they're circumcised, but some of the pro-choice people have no problem taking away their right to do it, as soon as they're born.
That's fine. All I did was copy and paste a female user's answer, to prove that people are hypocrites about it and I've got the right to call out hypocrisy.
@Smashingdoozy They have lungs but they are not working because they are getting it all through the Umbilical Cord. When a baby is born the doctors have to do some things to make sure the baby is now breathing on it's own such as suctioning out it's airway. They call it Baby's First Breath.
why does it matter if they can work on thier own or not. Full grown Humans also need water, food and air to live. Just because someone is providing it to the unborn doesn't make it less worthy to live. Many pro choicers also don't agree with late term abortions unless it's needed to save the mother.
@Smashingdoozy the fact the fetus is breathing from the mothers breathe through umbilical cord it means it’s alive. Anyways no point of arguing you on this. Best is don’t get pregnant use contraception or birth control pills. Plain and simple !
@TessCasie accidents happen, I agree that using birth control as a preventative measure is what everyone should be doing if they do not want children. But if you get pregnant by accident I don't think you should have to go though that if you don't want to, it is after all a long hard (mentally and physically), and expensive experience.
Breathing isn't the right term you are looking for, the fetus absorbs the oxygen.
I'm sure there are some people who are just idiots who don't have an argument in general. But yes religion is usually a common denominator, or more conservative values. But that isn't always the case.
Most are either religious or people who don’t have a uterus (men)
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I'm against abortion. But If the child is retarded and severely deformed I'm for abortion in situations like that. A child that is retarded and severely deformed has no quality of life. Just draining us of resources by collecting a check through the system
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my take on it is anti abortionists are always religious. you don't see people showing up to pay these trashy sluts to be a surrogate from "god knows where", do you?
@OddBeMe How can you not be ashamed of taking the life of a child who will grow up in the future? Since you didn't ask him if he wanted to live, you have no right to kill him! Go use birth control pills or use condoms when there are so many options for not having kids, if you're doing this, you're a total son of a bitch.
@OddBeMe Actually, I was talking about your whole society. You may be doing it, but as a state and society, you had to prevent this, you are a rich country, there should be no poor in your country.
@OddBeMe Someone speaking sense for once. People always act like if wealthy men like Elon Musk, Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos worked to help poor people, world poverty would be solved. This is a childishly deep economic and logical misconception. If those people were trying to root out poverty they wouldn't have become so rich in the first place. What such people don't understand is that money only matters in proportions.
@Highwayrobbery yes, but looking at their tax returns we see the more money a person makes the less they contribute to charity. Their prerogative. But shows that “humanity” or unregulated capitalism won’t help poor. A govt devoted to helping the poor is needed. And the govt funding has to come from somewhere.
A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).
The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31).
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul (Genesis 2:7) suggesting life begins at first breath.
But what was the context of these killings? Some people were totally evil, like evil in don't let them multiply. God did have the Israelites kill these people and their young. He of course he could have done it himself, like in the flood, but he gave it to the Israelites to do.
God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16).
• For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16).
They might not know it, but it's religious fake morals that lead to such garbage. Go masturbate with your fairy tales and let each woman or couple decide for themselves.
No I don’t think so I’m personally pro choice but I respect peoples opinion on being pro life I just don’t like the fact that they are trying to make them illegal
No, it's just that people focus mainly on the religious people every time there's some conflict.
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If no one cares about the gestation period of a human being , then why care at all about the mothers that disapprove of the pregnancy. If no one cares about the product , then why care at all about the factory its made from.
OddBeMe Abortion is a huge sin, A woman will burn in hell for aborting her child. Atheist don't even go to church. Birth control was invented for a reason why kill a child. Abortion is murder. You are not going to change my mind. I am a devoted Christian also if a woman dresses inmodest it is a sin
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