Is the Hijab the most outdated piece of clothing/belief system?

[RMSTitanic]

According to my limited research, the hijab is worn for modesty and to cover up from being seen by non-mahram members that could be sexually attracted to you. This seems outdated, as seeing a woman's hair does not make one immediately sexually attracted to someone. Nor does it rule out the fact that women can also be sexually attracted to women now, yet they don't need to wear a hijab around other women. And they continue to wear it in North America, where you can wear what you please, for the most part. Why aren't the men covered, if women can also be sexually attracted to men. It just seems incredibly silly to me

[BlackBeauty90]

You are right it is extremely limited to research you did. As in you didn't do any research. The hijab like the burqa is actually part of a religious ideology. It is no different than wearing a cross.

Shia Muslims who are the minority and the less extremist are identified by their woman wearing hijabs. In many ways it is like Jews wearing their little hats, it is acknowledging their religious ideology and testament to the suffering that they have to go through in Sunni predominant countries in which they are killed murdered raped and everything else.

Sunni Muslims who are the majority and more prone to extremism are the ones in which their women wear burqas. Like with Shia it is nothing more than a religious ideology and identification of which sect they belong to.

So it is far more than sexuality, if you are capable of doing research you'd notice but you're not capable of doing much

[BlackBeauty90]

@rmstitanic - I deleted your initial response because it shows you know less than nothing about other religions. Jews do wear their little hats constantly, particularly if they are Orthodox Jews.

[BlackBeauty90]

@rmstitanic - and the comparable was how Shia Muslims wear it to identify their sect in relation to the suffering they've undergone, it is a testament to their forefathers and respect to their ancestors.

[ta-ra]

They believe this, women are the most precious and valuable things in life. If you have people coming to your home do you leave out your gold, money, or jewelry? No. So they cover what is most precious to them.

If people actually took the time to research things they would understand and not be so quick to judge.

Islam is part of the Abrahamic religion, same as the Torah, and the Bible. They are all interconnected and all pray to the same God. There is even talks about wearing a hijab in the Bible.

Let's just let people live and stop judging what we don't understand please. Most arabic girls I know are proud to wear the hijab and not forced. It even says in the quran itself no one should force it. So whomever does is sinning.

[RMSTitanic]

Imagine just letting your hair run free like anyone else in the world?

[ta-ra]

It's their prerogative. Why do you care what someone else does.

[petera1987]

No, they do NOT "pray to the same God"! That's a LIE.

[ta-ra]

No it isn't a lie. Lol

[ta-ra]

Go ahead and do your research before you speak, please.

Allah means God in Arabic because they speak a different language. Just like if you go to Mexico and ask for Agua (water), you're still going to get water even though you didn't say water. You said their word for it.. my God, if ignorance was painful, this world would be great.. ffs

[RMSTitanic]

Keep going off on your soap box that people haven't done their own research lol

[ta-ra]

Well you clearly haven't if you're going to comment utter bullshit. Don't be mad you're wrong sweetpea. That's your issue not mine

[ta-ra]

@RMStitanic

The Abrahamic religions are a group of religions centered around the worship of the God of Abraham. Abraham, a Hebrew patriarch, is extensively mentioned in the religious scriptures of the Quran, and the Hebrew and Christian Bibles.

All the same God.

You're welcome 😊

[strateguy632]

to ta, content precious. have you ever seen an expensive painting? consider women value themselves and should be trusted how to dress instead of others treating them like "precious objects" to sell in marraige.
not baiting just a reply.

[ta-ra]

Majority of them willingly dress that way, so who am I or anyone else to judge? If they willingly dress in a hijab more power to them.
I don't wear a hijab but I have no problems with anyone who chooses to do so. They are more powerful as they don't adhere to the society that the more skin you reveal the more wanted you are. They know their true selves and I have nothing but respect for them.

[Tamera952]

You’re just an apologist for this barbaric practice. It’s not a matter of not understanding, we understand quite plainly. You’re full of shit when you say the Arab girls are proud to wear it, & you might say that the Quran says that, but funny how the majority of Arab countries didn’t seem to get that memo, or didn’t read that part.

[TriggeredPeen]

That it right there. That’s a lie, it’s NOT their prerogative.

[ta-ra]

@Tamera952 no it isn't a lie. I have many arabic friends. Some wear hijab some don't, some don't want to wear it but majority CHOSE TO and do love it. So I really don't care what you have to say or what news outlet you watched. I know real Muslim women and have family who are converts and I assure you they all don't feel that way.

[ta-ra]

@TriggeredPeen lmao okay. I wonder how many Muslim woman you've had a genuine conversation with.

[Fabiloso]

I mean I have definitely seen hair that made me feel a type of way. Hair can transform a person. But yeah just depends where and how you were raised, genetics and stuff. Some are more hornied than others about things. It's not about being outdated as much as it is apart of who they are and their relationship they cherrish with their God.

[strateguy632]

actualy what you described is a causal loop. if i can't see hair then that caused hair to " seem special " when i can see
same for ankles!! not because real arousal.

[strateguy632]

in theory if they exhibit hair, no one would get arouse by common hair... only if they wanted to boss around women they would make a rule like that.

[NamerOfStars]

Suppose, for a moment, that you were a typical Western woman who for some reason had to move to a country where female toplessness was the norm. How comfortable with it would YOU be?

[imran_]

"Hijab" literally means body covering. Various religions have their own interpretations of hijab, specifying different requirements for men and women. The concept of hijab exists in religions such as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism, emphasizing modesty and body covering. The extent of covering varies based on the religious principles. Hence, hijab is not inherently outdated because it involves covering one's body.

In Islam, Muslim men are required to cover at least from their navel to their knees, demonstrating that hijab applies to men as well. This practice is not exclusive to Muslim men; many men worldwide cover this way. The idea that hijab is outdated may result from media narratives that often focus solely on Muslim women.

It's worth noting that the concept of hijab exists in the Bible, with directives for women to cover their heads and bodies modestly. Similar guidance may exist in Jewish and Hindu scriptures, where traditional clothing and practices emphasize modesty and body covering. The common theme is that hijab involves modesty and covering, and it remains relevant within these religious contexts.

[Tamera952]

In a word, YES. Of course it is. People have a lot to say in defense of it, or offering justification for it.
BUT, In the most simple explanation, for why it’s problematic, it boils down to one thing: CHOICE.

If you want to wear one, for whatever reason, great - no problem. Go for it.
HOWEVER, the fact remains that most woman are NOT given a choice. It’s as simple as that.
Wear one, or don’t, but when you FORCE woman to wear one, that’s where it becomes a problem.

Oppression takes many forms

[BlackBeauty90]

@Tamera952 uneducated American

Shia Muslims who are the minority and the less extremist are identified by their woman wearing hijabs. In many ways it is like Jews wearing their little hats, it is acknowledging their religious ideology and testament to the suffering that they have to go through in Sunni predominant countries in which they are killed murdered raped and everything else.

Sunni Muslims who are the majority and more prone to extremism are the ones in which their women wear burqas. Like with Shia it is nothing more than a religious ideology and identification of which sect they belong to.

So it is far more than sexuality

[Inbox]

@Tamera952 Who gave you the right to tell other people what’s right and wrong? Just because in THEIR culture they do something you don’t agree with it, it doesn’t mean all of them are being “forced.”

What was the far lefts idiotic assumption about how the Taliban treated women in Afghanistan? Most men and women WANT to live like in the days of Mohammaed in Afghanistan.

[Tamera952]

@BlackBeauty90 Who said anything about ‘sexuality’? …. I said it was (at its most basic level) a matter of choice. I don’t care what sect it is, what country, or ideology. The fact is, in places that woman wear them, it is NOT by choice, period, FULL STOP.
As a side note, comparing a burka to Jewish yarmulkes or headwear is a false equivalency.

[Tamera952]

@Inbox I’m not telling anyone what’s right & wrong. But it’s NOT a matter of culture, get that straight. What IS wrong, is in the places that woman are FORCED (forced being the key word here) to wear them (wherever that be) it is not by CHOICE. That is it in a nutshell. Therein lies the problem.

[Inbox]

@Tamera952 How do you know they’re being forced? Have you spoken to all of them? In India for example, I hear it all the time. Western Feminists think that because women here eat last, it means they’re forced or oppressed, but on many occasions, even with choice, many of these women choose to eat last because they want to feed their family first (that’s also Indian culture FYI). I’m the same way if I cook because that’s just love and hospitality - again, stop pressing your beliefs on a whole different culture and country that you probably haven’t even visited before. If you have visited those countries, you still dont seem to know what we have to go through everyday just to survive. It’s easy to sit on top of the mountain and play judge when you don’t have to do live in our world and understand our politics are vastly different.

[Inbox]

*Just because you see it as wrong or “forced,” it doesn’t mean it’s “wrong” to us.

[Tamera952]

@Inbox Come on, please stop getting off topic about fucking India & weird shit like who eats when. That’s irrelevant. This is not a matter of perceived cultural differences or misunderstanding. I don’t need to talk to every Muslim woman to know what is obvious to everyone, the world over, which is:
1. This is something cooked up by MEN, & imposed upon WOMAN, period.
2. They are NOT given the OPTION to wear a hijab in (for example, IRAN, SAUDIA ARABIA, etc.) it is MANDATORY.
3. So to answer the askers question, is it outdated? Yes. Why? I spelled it out above. It’s outdated (& problematic) simply because most would choose NOT to wear it, if given the choice. The choice should be theirs AND it’s not. Simple as that.

[Tamera952]

@Inbox I don’t see it as “forced” …. it is “forced” …and SHOULD be seen to you as wrong. I don’t care if anyone wants to wear one. So be it. All I’m saying is it SHOULD be optional. How can you defend it as something other than that?

[Inbox]

@Tamera952 Why not mention other fallacy type of examples? It’s because it is relevant. Tell you what, I’m going to tell you what to do from now on, then you’re going to think that some pompous guy who lives on the other side of the world knows what is best for me apparently.

Here’s a thought, you clearly know what 1 billion Muslims think and feel on a daily basis - I’m sure you can do better than all the analysts at the Pentagon and Ivy leagues can do. How would you evoke change over there?

Again, what “force” would that define? Since you know how 1 billion Muslims think and feel I guess you know that half of them are all secretly seething with rebellious energy feeling “forced” when they wake up every single morning. To many of them, it’s no more than wearing a simple outfit —— no more than the fact that I have to wear a suit everyday to the law office.

It’s people like you that look for problems, turn them into big pointless things, and always judge a book by its cover because apparently you know how 1 billion Muslims feel and think.

It’s not your place to tell people how to live their lives. Do you want to pay their bills? I didn’t think so.

[BlackBeauty90]

@Tamera952 - are you an idiot? Actually don't answer that because you ARE an idiot as you didn't comprehend the comparable. If you think that orthodox Jews get a choice to wear their outfits - and in the extreme sects the religious covering is on par with the burka - you're a complete & utter twit.

[Tamera952]

@BlackBeauty90 There is nothing comparable to covering half the population of certain countries in full drapery. How can you defend that?

[Tamera952]

@Inbox “What force” …. lmao. I am talking about HALF of that billion, lol - & will go out on a limb on that one, & say that despite my not surveying every single one, given a CHOICE, the vast majority would NOT choose to be covered in full drapery.

[Inbox]

@Tamera952 So…. you know the hearts and mind of 500 million people? That makes all the sense in the world. Tell me, what’s the meaning of life?

[Anemone978]

Basically it is just religious beliefs.. Nuns wear head coverings and similar clothes too
It all depends on how religious you are..
I don't think anyone should wear a burka or niqab because your face is a normal thing to be seen and so you know who people are and the quran doesn't say it needs to be covered.. but as long is it is their choice to wear it and not forced like in some countries I don't see a problem with it..

[soe11]

I don't think it's a modest outfit, in fact fashion outfit and getting trends in middle class and elite class female showing unique identity of purity.

It is a pre islamic and Judaism innovatived in Greece elite class in order to distinguish between slaves female and free female.

[Paul09]

Well back in like the 80s they dressed like everyone else. Until "man" like usual decided that they wanted women to wear hijabs. Just like all religions are created by man, to control population with fear. Humans are so gullible or easily brainwashed.

[strateguy632]

your time distinction showed a different pattern: when muslims are small percent they wait delay making waves then later as percentage grows they feel they can make waves... hijab and bigger and bigger you know what jihad is.

[Tamera952]

That’s right, 100%

[kylee2437]

Clothing pieces that are worn for religious purposes can’t ever be outdated. People are allowed to step out of religions though if they please

[strateguy632]

but this is not the "clothing of the priestly ceremony." it is to cover hair that is not arousing.

[kylee2437]

@strateguy632 that’s not the reason why it’s work

[kylee2437]

Worn*

[strateguy632]

yes it is the reason therefore outdated. but see my mytake about muslim tradition clothing. i studied, you can too.

[kylee2437]

The reason they cover it is because hair is considered a sacred part of a humans body and is covered to conserve her innocence. I can’t really take seriously a person that fashionizes religious clothing. I’m not even religious and don’t believe in any religion and still think it’s a tacky outlook

[strateguy632]

see hina's reply the reason isn't holiness.

[Tamera952]

As if! You need to get a clue

[kylee2437]

@Tamera952 I believe if you follow a religion, you should follow the rules or step out of it. Too many manipulative people end up in religious groups because they don’t actually want to follow what is said.

[kylee2437]

@Tamera952 and side note, this is why I don’t follow religions

[Tamera952]

The reason is irrelevant. The religious ‘rules’ are irrelevant. The fact it’s considered holy or sacred is irrelevant. There are VAST amounts woman in the Muslim world, that don’t get a say about it. If they want wear one, that GREAT. GO FOR IT. The point I’m making is, (for the 100th time) is that the VAST MAJORITY DO NOT GET A SAY ABOUT IT. that it. They can’t just ‘opt out’ — they can’t say “gee it’s hot today, I really rather not wear that burka today”. Do you see what I’m saying?

[kylee2437]

@Tamera952 if you can’t follow religious rules authentically that makes you not part of the religion. You can’t make exceptions for the innocent wanting to be above religious rules meanwhile rapists in churches were some of the many and most to break religious traditions

[Tamera952]

Huh? Did we end up in the ditch or what? Rapists in churches, traditions, and WHAT? I’m so confused now.

[kylee2437]

@Tamera952 yeah because you are too invested into arguing with everyone, you aren’t bothering to comprehend what is trying to be said. Enough already

[Tamera952]

Im not arguing about anything. Don’t put the blame on me for not comprehending, you’re the nutcase talking about rapists & churches, and rules and who knows what. The (only) point I made above still stands. Quit dissecting this into something it’s not. Your overly-simplistic statement about following the rules is just bullshit. Tell that to the female populations of Iran & SAUDIA Arabia.

[kylee2437]

@Tamera952 you are the type of person that will never comprehend another point of view no matter how much someone try’s to break it down to you. You aren’t worth anyone’s time here

[exitseven]

No, this is the most outdated piece of clothing.

Yabba Dabba Doo!

[Hinaaaaa]

In that sense all beliefs are outdated... but I think it's none of concern for people who are not following any religion lol Iike really

[strateguy632]

"outdated" is when the reason no longer applies, as the asker carefully explained. don't change the subject to other beliefs.

[strateguy632]

still i will take the bait, in judaism when the reason doesn't apply s the law can be ignored so equaly covering hair.

[Hinaaaaa]

@strateguy632 well there is a reason it's mentioned in our Holy book when covering head it's not just about covering your head it's about ears neck chest area all those adornments who can turn on any man from a woman

[Hinaaaaa]

Those adornments which can be only seen by her mehram it's not about wearing hijab like a hat lol

[Hinaaaaa]

& most importantly it's for her own protection so that no one can fantasize her in his wild imagination...

[Tamera952]

Bullshit. Don’t even give me that.

[Hinaaaaa]

@Tamera952 as if someone really cares

[Hinaaaaa]

@Tamera952 then maybe you can search even more without knowing anything don't say anything

[strateguy632]

to hina, content turn on, as a blue i know what turns on the average man. those rules were invented only so others control what you wear not really a turn on. if jewelery adorns then could teach like new testament injil "don't wear adornments." but instead different.
truly anything same as male body ears etc. is not special neck ears etc. do only by covering them causes people to think showing them is special when truly same as the man own neck and ears.
i will conceded she should cover her chest even at beach.

[Hinaaaaa]

@strateguy632 not all guys are same... there were many questions here like that too & the answers were definitely the reasons why it's not allowed in my religion...& most importantly I don't know why people even think about Islam cause they say it's man made so why putting Soo much emphasis on it... just let it go & live your life...

[Hinaaaaa]

& if you really want to know then read Quran... it's the only book which is still the same from that time... no one has corrupted it... now you'll say how do I know... then collect different copies of it from different countries... even continents & you'll find it the same... word to word... others book are corrupted... do the same with others as well...
🙂👋🏻 Byebye not gonna reply now! Seems like you are just liking to provoke me...

[RMSTitanic]

@Hinaaaaa except evolutionarily, isn't the point for men to be attracted to women, and vice versa? You can be in a relationship and still appreciate the attractiveness of the opposite gender without acting on it. Also, it doesn't explain the fact that women can also be attracted to other women, but that's not allowed in their "little religious bubble". It's outdated, and a very simplistic way of looking at life. Life isn't as black and white as they make it seem. And if you have to live your life guided by a book, that's also an issue

[Hinaaaaa]

🙂well I'm glad I have a book that tells me how to live a life... happy following it...

[Hinaaaaa]

🙂& I'm also glad that I'm not a follower of any stupid Evolutionary Theory... but I have no problem when people are following it🙂... no issues... no worries...

[RMSTitanic]

What a delusional region lmao

[RMSTitanic]

Most religions are, because they indoctrinate people and dictate how they should dress, and the God they pray to

[Hinaaaaa]

🙂 people be talking rubbish without even knowing a single thing...🙂You both keep Cooking more things... more theories about different religions... every religion 🙂👏🏻keep Cooking!

[Hinaaaaa]

Keep Cooking 🙂! Bro... Keep Cooking 🔪!

[Tamera952]

Agreed 100%. @Hinaaaaa is backed into a corner. She’s an apologist making excuses for why its noble or because her shit-rag Quran says this and that, but everyone here knows she’s drinking the koolaid. The only point I was making (which she still has yet to acknowledge) is that THE MAJORITY OF WOMAN DON’T GET A CHOICE ABOUT IT. That’s why it’s problematic. It’s NOT optional.

[Tamera952]

Yea, it is much easier than having critical thinking, so she doesn’t have to think for herself. Thank god for the stupid Quran, otherwise she wouldn’t know what to do. (How lame) . What she just said amounts to 🙈🙊🙉🙈(blah blah I can’t hear you, my Quran is right, no matter what)

[RMSTitanic]

That's how all people work their religions, they're right and everyone else is wrong. Christianity and the crusades and killing people that didn't agree is one example, amongst many

[Hinaaaaa]

😆lol people like you who talk shit like this about Islam are the ones who gets converted too...& I never said Quran is best you both stop poking your nose 🐽 in something you guys don't know just mind your business... well I thank Allah everytime that I'm a born Muslim living a life of human... at least my whole damn life I'll never focus on my body counts... damn... you people keep manipulating those who following any Religion..
Not just Muslim's religion...

[Hinaaaaa]

No peeps you both kids are right... you are right for your own self you are living your life the way you want I'm living the way I want... I just commented why hijab is important you posted a question about hijab stop talking shit about any Religion

[Hinaaaaa]

& let me tell you one thing... no one can force a woman... nobody... if a woman is never forced to show her cleavage... she is never forced to hide it either... you people who live their whole life without any haya any modesty can't understand it... now please don't start shitty talk of Afghanistan... everybody knows if they are forcing them to wear hijab... how much they are agreeing to it... YOU CAN NEVER FORCE A WOMAN!

[Hinaaaaa]

& you know what? Please do some research before saying anything don't embarrass yourself like this on social media.. talking like all knower about a religion you don't even follow know nothing...

[RMSTitanic]

Just because you show cleavage doesn't mean you're being non-modest, like wtf kind of argument is that?

[RMSTitanic]

There's this little thing called you can dress modestly without wearing a fucking Hijab or Burqa, something these people should look into, especially if they live in North America. I wonder if they think everyone that doesn't wear a Hijab is just a hoe or some shit lmao

[Hinaaaaa]

Well that is your level of modesty... Lol seems like I wasted my time talking with two kids who have just come out of their egg... it's 2023 Kids... everything is acceptable... if you can roam around naked by freedom of choice others can too wear whatever they want... there are many other topics to know but the kids are still stuck on why Muslim women wear hijab.. you kids let me tell you... WE ARE ALL BALD... THATS WHY WE WEAR IT!! NOW DONT TELL THIS TO ANYONE... LIKE HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A MUSLIM ASKING WHY ANY NON MUSLIM GIRL IS SHOWING HER CLEAVAGE LIKE IS IT REALLY HOT OR ARE YOU ALLERGIC TO CLOTHES LIKE HAVE YOU EVER SEEN IT ANYWHERE ASKING SOMEONE LOL!!! WELL I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO ASK TOO LIKE DONT MOSQUITOES BITE YOU ON THAT PLACE... BUT ITS A FREEDOM OF CHOICE... SO JUST STOP THIS HIJAB NON HIJAB GAME & FOCUS ON OTHER THINGS IN YOUR LIFE TOO... THERE ARE MANY OTHER THINGS TO THINK ABOUT TOO OTHER THAN THINKING ABOUT WHY MUSLIM WOMEN WEAR HIJAB... UNEDUCATED PEOPLE!!!

[Hinaaaaa]

& you know what THERE IS THIS LITTLE THING CALLED ACCEPTING SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T SUIT YOUR OWN BELIEFS IF THAT THING NEVER INTERFERES WITH YOUR DAMN LIFE... MAKE YOUR LITTLE BRAIN A BIT BIGGER OR GAIN SOME MORE KNOWLEDGE SO THAT YOU CAN THINK BEYOND YOUR BRAIN'S CAPACITY!!!
KNOWING NOTHING TALKING LIKE ALL KNOWER!!!

[Hinaaaaa]

Sooo BAD of me that I didn't read the first line of your post... LITTLE KNOWLEDGE LOL if I had read that First I wouldn't have even did any argument with you... LITTLE KNOWLEDGE LOL!!! JUST VAST IT A BIT MORE! THEN SAY SOMETHING! YOU SAYING YOUR SELF THAT YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE...

[ObscuredBeyond]

All I know is that the Taliban deserve some cobalt 60 up the tailpipe for what they did to women. And Joe and the Hoe can join them!

[strateguy632]

hindu is older... but the reason not outdated.

[dreamstar72]

Religion needs a good update, it was updated for the time it was written.

[callmeishika]

Nothing disgusts me more than a girl wearing hijab!

[Anonymous]

It’s definitely outdated but it’s their religion that will probably never change, it doesn’t make any sense but they will still do it just like turbins and beards with the Hindu religion, which has to be really hot to wear in the summer

[strateguy632]

opposite! a turban blocks sun like a cap but a scarf is... for winter.

[Opinion Owner]

@strateguy632 probably how the religion started many years ago

[genericname85]

fashion is never outdated. it always comes back sooner or later.

[MJtheCoach]

Not at all! If I see form dress like that I automatically avoid her..

[nawtee_me]

No, to me the practice of female genitalia circumcising is way more outdated.

[strateguy632]

if equality would be important deter male cut... but no equality.

[dudeinohio]

It has no. place in Western nations or nations that don't go by Islamic law.

[Bklynbadboy12]

I don't know why they wear that cause to me they make them look even sexier

[strateguy632]

if they are decorated or colored. defeaeted its own purpose.

[Bklynbadboy12]

So true

[Anonymous]

Not really. it looks good, i love how it outlines a woman face and eyes

[collie22]

I think there pretty

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Outdated and looks ridiculous too.

[strateguy632]

and draws attention by being different so defeated its own purpose

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@strateguy632: Least of her concerns.

Can't possibly breathe covering your whole face and nose especially when it's hot outside.

Her legs, back and arms must be sweaty as hell underneath.

[strateguy632]

👍 , 👍

[whistlingwh0res]

It’s ridiculous

[Anonymous]

its not outdated its irrelevant to my culture