Do you believe its a Sin to be Gay?

[Katebfun]

Gay - Lesbian. Exp. Soddom and Gomorrah.

[Effably]

How strict do you want to be?
The older bible does not, ever, at any point, explicitly speak against being gay or homosexuality. Despite popular belief, it just isn't there.

There are passages that we interpret. There is the famous Leviticus ones or a man should not lay with a man as he does a woman. But that's not really in regards to the bible. That's the guidelines for how a priest ought to behave and not through divine providence.

The new testament has two or three passages but none of them are truly that damning. One is seemingly made up so we'll skip the roman one as it funnily uses much more modern language than the other parts of the same writing. To explain: if you randomly go from "Oh woe is thee whom sought thine.." to "So he choked, had no rizz and..." I struggle to take it seriously and so should you.

As for Paul's epistle first of it condemns about a dozen things, straight sex among them. Isn't really regarded as God's view but Paul's. And the comment about homosexuality in it is a made up combination of greek words that mean "man-bed". That it would mean homosexuality is in itself a stretch and we do not know, but even if it does it would only equate gay sex to straight sex. Which isn't particularly damning when you keep it in context.

Now. If we include other associated texts it quickly becomes a sin. As does many other things. Having a bank account is a sin. Renting out an apartment is, notably by Jesus, said to be a worse sin than whoring yourself out or stealing.

So well, we can view it as a sin or not a sin. But if we are to view it as a sin we really ought to torch every bank in existence too. Among many other actions. Jesus words surely weigh heavier than Paul's.

[Orangekiss]

@Effably They have different translations to make it easier to understand, including some for today's world where translator's give people what they want to hear, just to "tickle their ears". Yet if you look at the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic (such as the New American Standard) it shows a little different from today's Bible wording. But the story of Sodom and Gomorrah has not been changed. There is the passage at the end of Revelation that if anyone changes the words that they will be in deep shit. As far as I am concerned homosexuality is an abomination. God made Adam and Eve to be together as one flesh, as man and wife.

[Effably]

I am sure you are correct. But I did not refer to the New versus the Old Testament or anything like that. Perhaps I should have been more clear. That's on me.

I was referencing the oldest 'originals' we have which are written in different era languages. Hence the Elizabethan and modern slang comparison. Within these the passage dealing with homosexuality stands out as being in a much newer style within the preserved untranslated writings. It is not just my opinion but widely regarded of dubious origin. If you are very interested I will go look up the passage itself and you can get second more qualified opinions.

[strateguy632]

so you mention leviticus but ignore its contents and context. DEATH PENALTY to man, not only priest and not "ought" but severe. lev. 20,13.
admittedly not literal death but shows severity.
desth penalty is "against being gay"

[Effably]

Its so awkward to discuss religion at times. Yes I do.

About Leviticus: It is primarily a priests code of conduct and very little about it matters to regular believers. As a rule of thumb for a good Christian? Don't bother reading it. Anything you need is in the testament. It is less relevant to you than reading the Torah or Quran.

As for 20 13.
Its much like you just did here commonly misrepresented. Notably the original does not say a man and a man but a man and a male. Why separate the two? Take a guess.

Now adding a tiny bit of historical context: This was seen as an addition to address pedophilia without outright stating that priests are pedophiles. Priests preying on young boys in particular.
In other words: This says that pedophiles deserve death. It is only anti-gay if taken out od that context.

And while I am teaching people: The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is also not about homosexuality. Yes, it is once stated that men 'knew' each other. And yes, knowing someone is a few times used as a bible reference for sex. It is far more times not used that way. About 100 to 1. There are also half a dozen if not more outright listed reasons. People need to stop cherrypicking their religious texts to fit their agendas.

[NamerOfStars]

No. The Bible is actually pretty clear on this, and not in the direction most people seem to think. Leviticus condemns it (along with things like polyester and crop rotation), but Acts 10:15 makes it pretty clear that divine intention and action is what matters in that regard; that God is a living entity, not a blind, unthinking set of rules. Mark 12:33-34, while occurring earlier, verifies this. Then along comes Paul, who has a stick up his butt about homosexuality (and not in a sexy gay way), and declares himself an Apostle, that it's suddenly and inexplicably the will of God to contradict the message of Jesus and turn a Jewish apocalypse cult into a system of reinforcing Roman social ethics, with his own anti-gay biases added in, of course.

Of course, the Bible is just the Bible; we weren't given sense, reason and intellect with the intention that we not use them. Biases against pork, in the era of widespread trichinosis, made sense; ditto for those against shellfish for a people who often have medical problems with eating them. But at no point is a reason for bias against homosexuality given, nor is one logically deducible. With all due respect to Islam, Abraham's refusal to tell God to fuck off when He told him to sacrifice Isaac, as well as Isaac's decision to continue worshiping a god who told his father to sacrifice him, were the biggest mistakes in the history of Judaism. A few requests for clarification early on could've avoided thousands of years of pain and suffering.

Beyond those specifics, sin, by its very nature, requires moral agency- which you don't have when it comes to orientation. Being gay isn't a choice, and thus can't be considered a sin.

[Screenwriter]

Soddom and Gomorrah is Old Testament. Remember Jesus and the New Testament came to "fulfill" the Old Testament.

Christ never disparaged gay people, or ridiculed or was angry with anyone but the people who were lending money at the Temple, which was holy ground, and not a place of business.

In fact, he never said anything about anything but to "love one another as I have loved you." Without prejudice or bias. Judge lest not you be judged.

God made everyone. God doesn't make mistakes or sins. People are who and as they are.

And lemme tell ya, a while ago black people were said to be black because they were the children of Cain, and their skin color was the "mark" of Cain. They were cursed. They were inferior. Less than human.

So there are religious people who believe all this Old Testament stuff. But the bible was written by men from thousands of years ago. And God reveals himself anew every day and we're all wiser from new knowledge that didn't exist more than 2,000 years ago.

Just as the British though Indians were inferior, and Americans thought American Indians were inferior. Straight people, some anyway, want to think that not being straight is a sin and wrong.

It's all foolishness. Gay people are nothing new. Always been here, always will be here. Just a part of the human condition. No harm, no foul.

[strateguy632]

jesus never said? he specified men marry women and taught paul who wrote book romans 1,26-27

[FreyaRed]

According to Christian Bible is homosexuality a deadly sin like suicide. If I was pious catholic I would be confused when the Pope gives sacraments to homosexual couples instead calling for Crusade against LGBT+ movement. If...
Personally I don't care, church is a bunch of pedo priests and hypocrites.

[aceleon]

yes. even though i am not against it.

the purpose of life is reproduction, homosexuality is not fruithfull in that area and this is the reason it is a sin.

if you really born that way your test in this life is to keep it under control and not act on it.

[Siri137]

That's not something that I believe (I don't accept the concept of sin), but it is the case that the Bible does condemn it in those terms, in both the Old and New Testaments.

[TonyMetal___86]

Do you even have practical laws in new zealead? 🤣
What would i expect from a country ruled by feminists haha

[TonyMetal___86]

By the way, where's zealand right now? Sunken under the ocean 😂 and a new zealand rose up haha

[Siri137]

@TonyMetal___86 What? Are you okay? Lay off the glue; it's damaging your brain.

[TonyMetal___86]

Kept the glue for the new zealanders, i don't use this sh*t around here...
Don't worry 😄

Wasn't your ex prime minister a woman? (Feminazi), the majority of your government was made from female minister right? What's the history of your country? Like why was it called new zealand, where's zealand? You're laughing at facts that i'm mentioning, learn more about your country's history before making yourself a philosepher in your questions around here...

[Siri137]

@TonyMetal___86 So she was a woman. So what? I, like many others, didn't vote for her. You can't judge an entire nation by whomever it is who "leads" that nation. Do you think most Russians actually like Putin? Or most Americans Biden? Of course not. Don't be such a simpleton.

[Siri137]

@TonyMetal___86 One other thing. Being a woman doesn't automatically make one a "feminazi". Many women aren't feminists, and many even despise feminism. You did know that didn't you?

[TonyMetal___86]

Are you really comparing new zealand to russia? I mean we all do love our countries but russia is on another entire level and when we talk about Putin, wether you like him or not, he's the real deal, he's a man born to become a leader and a president, he's the right man in the right place, that's how a president should be!

Biden, is a mistake! Don't worry i hope that this mistake will be corrected this year when the real president returns "mr president Donald J. Trump"

I do know that a single person do not represent a whole nation, but what's your history new zealander siri, do you even have a history? Last time i checked i saw this 21 year old member of the parliement acting like crazy and everyone cheering her up for bringing her native rituals to the parliement, it was funny for sure 🤣🤣

Your country is a big supporter of feminazis and false equality between men and women, a lot of new zealander gag members in here have me on their block list, why do you think so? It's because they are not used to on dealing with REAL MEN 😂😂

I mean i saw a couple of your questions around here which are not related to history and politics, you're clearly showing that you're feminist supporter...

The majority of my mother's relatives lives in Australia and the only thing that i like about this place over there (new zealand) included is that they are living as if they are from out of this world, far away from wars and everything happening in this wold, just alone in the earth's corner minding their own business 🤣

[Siri137]

@TonyMetal___86 "... he's the right man in the right place..." (about Putin)

I didn't read your comment beyond that, because you're obviously a f**king idiot. Good bye troll! :*

[TonyMetal___86]

I think that she performed something called "Maori haka" it's a ritual in her native tribe i guess 😄

[TonyMetal___86]

@siri137 yeah good bye, couldn't handle the truth eyyy 🤣🤣
Claiming that tou support the freedom of choice and speech while deep inside you ain't none of these 😂😂

[msmissydc]

Sin in the biblical and church sense. Yes probably. I am sad I can't add that sin to my list as well. I am going to hell, if the church has a word in it, anyway so better arrive down there with a highscore. If church sayings happen to be untrue as expected I can just arrive beside the pope and tell him: "told you!"

That being said pope may not be the right person to compare myself if its about sins. WIth all that shit the church does he has a headstart.

[RebelinSteel]

It’s not, imaging having a book that spreads hate about people that love each other. You have 2 girls who love each other but these books tell people that everyone must hate them, even kill them. Then people say that it’s about being nice to people, lol

[strateguy632]

good think bible isn't like the book you described.

[FunkyMonkee]

No, not at all. Nobody can help who they're attracted to and, even if it was a sin, what could possibly happen to them because of it? Big bad cloud jockey gonna come down and punish them? If god hates fags and lezzies, why did it make so many of them?

[strateguy632]

that reply is like "if muslim can't eat pig, why alla create pig"? obviously to have the thing possible to obey and not do.

[FunkyMonkee]

@strateguy632 Because, there's no such thing as Allah. Just like how there's no such thing as god. It's all man-made bullshit to try to control you. Allah didn't make pigs, Muslims made up some goofy rule that Allah says they can't eat pigs. I eat pig once or twice a month! Been doing it most of my life and I'm still alive and well!

[DaisyM23]

No - if people only followed every religious text from thousands of years ago, nothing would ever get done, plus there are a bunch of other stuff condemned or looked down on, people just like to pick and choose which to follow to fit their own agenda

[strateguy632]

"nothing would ever get done"? really? 65% of nobel prize winners were christian and they got major stuff fone.

[DaisyM23]

i meant that if all religious people followed their texts to a T then nothing would get done, throughout history people have disregarded or reinterpreted passages to fit their lives, which is why if they followed a two thousand year old text nothing would get done - for one, science wouldn't really be a thing since science technically goes against the whole 'god created everything' theory which is why it didn't move forward for centuries during the middle ages

[TonyMetal___86]

If someone chose to be a homosexual than yes it's a sin but if someone is born like that TRULY! than i don't think that it's a sin, it's just not right and abnormal but cannot say that it's a sin, i don't even know if someone can truly be born as a homosexual

[strateguy632]

i heard of kleptomania they have powerful urge to steal... so they can? no, they must restraint their nature.

[TonyMetal___86]

@strateguy632 true 👍🏻

[Agape93]

Nope

Besides Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because the populace had no hospitality, not because God had an issue with dudes fucking each other

[Orangekiss]

Some say that but I don't think God would rain down fire and brimstone just because of that. But having some homosexuals wanting to have sex with His angels would. And the only ones He saved were Lot and his family who were probably the only non-gay people in those cities.

[msc545]

You do realize that you sound completely insane, right?

[Agape93]

Wow that was some astoundingly weird shit. Stop smoking

[Agape93]

Yeah im. not listening to more stupid shit from her

[Agape93]

That was my polite way, of saying shut the fuck up on my comment stream.

[IslaTheWitch]

It depends on the interpretation.

"Sin" is a cruel word which brings a lot of negativity.

I would say that as long as you don't break the law and don't hurt others or yourself, you are good

[_piotr]

"Sin" is religious concept. I believe that the asker was referring to the context of sin christianity.
Indulging in gay sex might be ok by earthly law standards - the police will not arrest you, but be a grave sin against God.

Please look in the Bible:
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

[hahahmm]

Yes. By the way, archaeologists recently found the actual location of Sodom & Gomorrah. The rocks are melted and shadows are burned into stones exactly as if a nuclear explosion happened.

[patrick994]

According to the Catholic Church, homosexuality is a mortal sin, as it is contrary to God's established plan for procreation.

I honestly do not consider it as such.

[exitseven]

No, I imagine if a gay guy had the choice he would not be gay. It is the way God made them.

[strateguy632]

imagine crooks saying that defense "god made my nature to steal," i couldn't choose.
or other crimes.

[exitseven]

@strateguy632 God gave us all free will.

[Katebfun]

I don't believe "God" made anyone gay. I believe many have been molested as a child and became gay

[Paris13]

I do Not Judge But Have Dated Bi, Gay Guys. But in The Bible, Yes, A Sin. God Says To Love The Sinner and Hate The Sin. xxoo

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Yes. God created a man for a woman to be attracted and have sex with.

Two people of the same gender can't produce life and being sexual with one another especially men are extremely disgusting individuals and mentally sick as well.

[shoeboxcerealcard]

@katebfun Yes because same gender sex leads to death. Death meaning the opposite of creation which is no creation. Sin means the opposite of advancement. It has nothing to do with moral. The universe is amoral.

[Unit1]

Even if it is - who they be hurting? It does not violate any taught principles.

Islam only might say "homosexuality bad" but that's about it.

[strateguy632]

your yard stick is wrong. polygamy does not wound anyone but still immoral. not hurting is not a measure. nobody dies from gay, but nobody dies from ear lobe amputation that is not a reason to cut earlobes!
"taught principles" yes. British civil law was gay was pervert. violating a principle. as dramatized in that film decoding nazi codes.
also religious principles in book romans, quran, budhist tradition and hindu texts too.
about islam, i would rather my opinion not deleted.

[strateguy632]

title "imitation game", 2014, Turing was openly gay at a time when homosexuality was a crime in Britain" etc.

[Unit1]

@strateguy632 Basically why religion ain't for me.
Ear lobe amputation probably hurts. It sounds painful.

[jshm2]

Obviously. Hence why it's got no religion that supports or advocates it.

[_piotr]

It is only a sin if you actively practice it. The inclination itself is not a sin it itself if you do not indulge in it.

[Berethor]

Being gay is clearly a sin as said in the bible, but I am not religious, and not gay. :)

[AnusDestroyer3169]

According to many religions its a sin but the question we have to ask first is how true those religions are...

[strateguy632]

consider religions conflict but THIS detail they CONFIRM each other. it is the truest detail.

[Bricealan]

My brother is gay, I can't believe it is a 'sin" but I would rather he be heterosexual.

[Dargil]

The state of being gay is not a sin. Homosexual relations are.

[strateguy632]

i have nothing against gay, it is a sin. i don't hate them.

bible never said to hate then. jesus loved sinners but that doesn't mean agree with sinners.

[msc545]

I'm not sure that there is anything called the sin, but if there is I'm sure it doesn't include gay people. That is just a bigoted religious view that has no validity whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

It is. But that’s not to say all of time are going to hell. If they repent

[Massageman]

It's a sin to ACT on the possible tendencies.

[linka_pat307]

Nowadays am unable to understand what is a sin and what is not

[strateguy632]

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sin helped?

[linka_pat307]

@strateguy632 I know the definition of sin what I meant was people nowadays do something and pretend it is not written in the book of law or even bible like giving excuses of them not existing

[jarkitor20]

No not at all
I'm not gay but think others are fine when they are

[Anonymous]

It's clearly a sin to ACT on those same-sex sexual attractions, whether or not you are homosexual

[Jmmmfi4]

JUST DISGUSTING... DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE

[Anonymous]

It’s pretty much a sin to be human. If gay people are human, they are worthless sinners

Or so they say

[PBandJ_Nerd]

My answer is nope.

[Astarlessnightsky]

Nope. And never was considered sin.

[slatyb]

Sin isn't a real thing.

[Anonymous]

if God makes people gay, how can just being gay be a sin?

[Tomisworthless]

Sin to act on gay desires

[Anonymous]

Yes, it is a sin!

[236color]

No I don't

[Jkgordon]

Yes it is

[jimmy2]

Yes it is

[eagle1951]

Yess

[Anonymous]

No, I do not.