It's actually amazing that, Old Testament has remnants of politeistic era embedded in its canon. Technically speaking, Yahweh, is just a storm god, slowly assimilated into Canaanite pahtheon's chief god, El.
In time, particularly after Babylonian exhile, jews slowly started to solidify their multiple gods into a single one
Read Nag Hammadi Scripts
Ancient Sumerian Tablets
They say Satan wrote the Bible
I have never read the Bible and I probably will never read the Bible
And in the new world Translation of the Holy Scriptures
Which I have never read and will never read
But it says
The devil is the invisible ruler of the world
World under his control as God
All I can say is there is a holy war going on right now
Stay away from people with drama judgment and ignorance that's their way of pulling you in01 Reply- 1 y
Ignorance is bliss
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1 yyeah it goes way back to when people used to live in small tribes tho. people used to make up random gods to scare each other with. it was actually a viable strategy to prevent fights and war, cause people would actually be so scared of gods, they wouldn't dare to attack a tribe who's god idea they thought was powerfull. abraham is apparently the first one who had the idea to come up with the idea of the "one all powerfull god" instead of the very common limited gods who were not part of one coherent religion in many cases. then like a millenium later, the thora was made up and then from that, the bible and the quran were developed. so you see it's a long tradition of fictional ideas. never was there ever an actual god in real life.
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it's very hard to know all this as a fact, cause the tradition of "writing things down to remember later" came way later than the first fantasies of gods.
693 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic. Nope... It's all complete and utter fucking Bollox.
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That's not exactly true. That is a one estimation by someone or some group of historians. History is not as well defined and accurate as the ones who present it make it appear. There are likely huge mistakes and accepted narratives that are completely wrong. People have not left complete records and with the records left there are numerous problems. In general the further you go back the tendency to not leave very good records increases. Most of the time people were not concerned whatsoever with making sure we had an accurate rendering of the past.
If you listen to historians you would guess that this was exactly the opposite. They have this tendency to make it seem like everything carefully laid out for us and we know exactly how things went down. This stems from arrogance of their field and it happens in every field of the stuff. People know that the unlearned masses will take their word for it and it makes them almost as if they are God. There literally the writers of history. Of course there has to be something to base their history on but the way that they interpret the street and present it to us is all to them. They take full advantage of this.
Example of of what I'm talking about. Although there's different kinds of examples but here's some one example of an example. For a long time people considered King David to be pure invention by biblical writers and that King David never existed. If that was accepted in the story historian circles. There wasn't any doubt. The pompous scholars were certain of it. They were wrong. They believe King David was fiction, relegated to theist's stories, until they found an Egyptian artifact with a inscription of King David and his kingdom in Israel.
That changed everything. That one artifact changed how we view that part of the world and the history there. Just because of that one artifact King David suddenly became a real person. Without that find no King David in history. But now t's accepted that he's Kingdom was real and that he was a real king. It raises the question. What else have we missed?
They were more concerned with the present. Reminds me of people that I see around me and that've been around me my entire life. Always concerned with today or at most their either immediate lifespan. Today we have people who dedicate a careful rendering of history and I suppose we've had that in most cultures since well before Christ but when you get back to around 1500 BC that seems to stop happening in most cases.
So it wasn't always so, that people dictated events. There weren't always convenient ways of recording current events. You also have the problem of people reporting history in a way that made themselves look good. Though pictures right the history kind of thing. Which is very real. There wasn't a store where you could go buy paper and they're definitely wasn't a computer hard drive.
I have a tendency to be long-winded and I'll probably need to work on that but I need to say one last thing. Of all the things that you can do and you can do without spending any money, one of the most beneficial things you can do is learn the history of mankind. Or you can choose areas and specialize in those areas. Just learn history in general is a great asset. It teaches you about mankind and you learn from that how to deal with the people who are around you. It teaches a lot about human nature that is useful in the life that you live andit's damned interesting. Desire at all to learn about history I'd suggest that you do it. Not only will you have this knowledge you'll appear intelligent. All you have to do is read to really exercise your mind and and to at least to appear really smart. Improves your vocabulary is and it does so many things just to read and learn about history. And you to some people will here like a genius. I don't think I'm anything special, I know that I'm not much above average of intelligence but if I really make an attempt at it I can make myself sound like I'm a writer for this history because she reads. And this post here I'm making no attempt whatsoever to sound smart. But I'm not posting, there's nothing to boast about. All I've done is free books and I'm doing what anybody what anyone of you are capable of doing.
Don't ever cut yourself short or let anyone else tell you how intelligent you are. You have it within your self to change the way that people perceive you and the way you perceive yourself. At a certain point in time I quit putting my trust in what other people said about something and I would go research things for myself and look at whatevet it was with my own eyes before I decided how I believed concerning a subject. Some of you might be wondering what am I talking about exactly, what would an example be. An example would be Christianity. Is it worthy of believing in? Is it just meth and not carrying any right behind it like a lot of most people believe? I spent a lot of time reading about that religion. You'd be surprised at what my answer to that question. It's not what most people believe. There's actually a lot to it that deserves a fair hearing that most people will never give it. But I was a Christian for many years. I have since denounced my prior acceptance of the faith that doesn't change my findings.
But that's what I was saying, and researching things on my own doing I found that I can trust my own observations of something and what I believe about it better than I can listen to any one else to tell me how I believe. Ok time to wrap it up.00 Reply- 4.4K opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.
1 yAwful wording. You mean other usage of same name.
If you met someone named moses you would say same his "historical origins" are moses.
Your reference to canaan self contradicted due to different name el as you wrote.
"After bablon exile" if you believe book they were exiled, believe they were monotheism in solomon 950 b. c. or earlier!
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You should first figure out mythological synthesis
There's a reason different names were used in different times
Because they were different concepts
1 yIt's not that surprising if you read the Bible. The Israelites and their neighbors were all constantly being punished for worshipping false gods. Polytheism and nature-worship were very common back then.
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Thing is, if you really read into it, you can also see references to the other gods, El in partuclar
And, some parts of Old Testament is literally from texts of polytheistic era
What you say "false gods" is, just Yahweh cult becoming dominant and later on, branding the rest" - 1 y
I mean, it's pretty obvious they were false since nobody worships Asherah or Ba'al or any other Canaanite deities anymore. The Yahweh "cult" became dominant because that was the true God and as it talks about in the Bible, God demanded exclusive worship and to stop worshipping idols and false gods.
You're acting like this is some big "gotcha" moment when this is all plainly related in the Bible. - 1 y
Or! Yahweh is just one that was followed by those who managed to hit harder to others
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You're just saying the same thing as me. Whether God defeated the rest because of his followers or his followers defeated the rest because of God makes no difference.
I still don't see how a monotheistic God arising out of a pantheon of polytheistic gods is supposed to be this big own you're presenting it as. Especially when the Bible literally talks about God and his followers having matches based on prophecy or performing miracles to demonstrate whose God is true. In a time where polytheism was common, how else should it have happened?
YHVH is an amalgam like most of the OT characters. Elohim in Genesis is always written in the plural, and God tells Moses that he is the chief god of the Jews, not the only god. Hence why pharaoh's sorcerers were able to conduct magic as well. There was a Mesopotamian god that had a bow as his weapon which was laid down after the great flood which makes the rainbow symbolism make sense that doesn't translate to the Jewish context. Is that the god you're referencing?
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m 1 ySince I consider that cultures, which includes religious beliefs and texts, are remixing/reusing the past of the past of the past... Then whoever wrote the Bible could not create something brand new.
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1 yI remember learning somewhere that Jesus didn’t actually go by “Jesus” during his time due to different translations and things / wasn’t even pronounced it during his time…. Really strange when you think about it.
00 Reply1K opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic. I went to a Catholic College and it was required to take courses in both the Old and New Testaments. I learned about the origins of the Bible ,
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u 1 yNo, because God is eternal and therefore has neither beginning nor end.
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Nah, he definetly has a beginning
It all starts with zoroastrianism
Your Dr. Bullshit doesn't know jack shit. It's pretty funny that you actually believe him.
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Only retard I see here is you
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Your retarded Satanic Marxist kabbalahist that is obsessed with black magic and spiritual procession can't even comprehend the Bible. He doesn't know the difference between el, eloah, elohim or how el is used in context in reference to the true God, the plurality of that true God in the concept of the trinity, in reference to false gods, angels, or even people or places like IsraEl or bethEl. The guy literally knows nothing and his argument falls apart as soon as he tries to form it. He's fucking ignoramus.
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El isn't a specific god, it is a generic term for a god, false gods, angels, and even people like judges deepening on its usage. It's all about how the noun is used in the context. That's why I pointed to his obsession with his pronouns. The guy is retarded. He's like a typical Satanist or even Muslim that tries to argue Jesus was a Muslim because Arab Christians call God Allah. Allah is a generic noun for a God, just like El is. Depending on the characteristics of the God under discussion, you know which God is being spoken of. Your Dr. Bullshit, clearly misses this entire concept and can't even comprehend the Bible. It's hilarious really that someone would give him a doctoral degree when he has less than a child's understanding of theology.
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This is even more retarded, because this isn't even christian theology
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1 yNo, because, with the possible exception of Buddha, like all other gods, it's a fictional character.
00 Reply 3.8K opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic. No, as it's just bullshit conjecture, like in that video, at best.
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Anonymous(25-29)1 yNo credible Biblical scholar (secular or not) shares your theory but go on.
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Yeah sure, coming from a guy who 's deep in biblical lore, obviously
Opinion Owner1 yYea turns out you actually have to study the Bible to learn about its contents (shocker.)
I get my info from actual historians and scholars, not random atheist edgelord articles, I'm not ashamed of that.- 1 y
This is just a video
But then again, if you've actually studied it, you'd know the guy's right
Guess what, your Jesus is also a made up amalgamation of Homeros stories and some historic figure who started the whole thing
Opinion Owner1 yLol you can keep repeating an unproven correlation by a random youtuber if it helps you sleep at night, that doesn't make it credible.
Historians/scholars > random video- 1 y
archive.org/details/homericepicsgosp0000macd
Read some fucking books before trying to disprove something you've no knowledge of
Video format is easily approachable, thus it's becoming increasingly popular among academics, who not so long ago, shunned it
The guy's a specialist in Judaic texts, you can find his articules about a lot of middle eastern religions and there's a long list of citations within the description of the video
This is what ignorant people are like, it's not about not being aware of things. Ignorance manifests itself in the form of lacking self-awareness. Not knowing what you don't know and not knowing how to learn different concepts
You wouldn't even recognise credibility if it smacked you in the face
Opinion Owner1 yLmao thats a good laugh you posted an archive link of Dennis MacDonald of all people as an example of credibility.
My favorite part of his book is when tells the reader early that detecting and appreciating the equivocations he draws requires “patience, generosity, and above all, imagination”
Even he knows its a massive stretch and, its beyond humorous you think this is a trump card.- 1 y
Hold on, I seriously missed it, you do realise that big theories require a lot of out of the box thinking and his whole thing is reimagining how we understand the gospels, right?
You're calling it stretch, but the guy presents literally identical phrases, archetypical similarities and a lot of details that're so obviously inspired by Homer
Why do you think Mark claimed Jesus was a carpenter?
Anonymous(30-35)1 yI dont know nor want to confuse myself. All I know is I went seeking Jesus and I found him
00 Reply472 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic. Yahweh vs. Nergal, who will win?
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1 yA caveman took shrooms
20 ReplyIt is said that it comes from Sumerians
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Sumerians is a very broad term and literature around it developed a lot
It's a complex transformation that starts at bronze age and is just a bunch of cults clashing throughout Canaanite civilisation for centuries
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