Do you believe in Evolution or Creation and why?

[TheWombRaider]

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I 100% believe in creationism and I think that science proves creation more than it does evolution.

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If you believe in evolution and you don't believe in creationism that means you don't believe there's a God that means what's the point of the human being alive if you die and you don't exist anymore. In order for them to be evolution that means there's no life after death there's nothing after this. If you believe there's something after this then you have to believe there's a God if you believe there's a God then you have to believe in creationism it's that simple

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The most advanced AI has stated that it's not probable for evolution to occure and it's much more probable that it is intelligent design.

https://youtu.be/ga7m14CAymo?si=Lhqlw3udu2PN2vfs

Like Paiul says the Invisible Charistics of God. are clearly seen.

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Even if you ask AI what the probability of Evolution being the way life came about says it's so improbable it's not likely

[JesseP1nk]

In the beginning, we were all fish. Okay? Swimming around in the water. And then one day a couple of fish had a retard baby, and the retard baby was different, so it got to live. So Retard Fish goes on to make more retard babies, and then one day, a retard baby fish crawled out of the ocean with its... mutant fish hands... and it had butt sex with a squirrel or something and made this... retard frog-sqirrel, and then that had a retard baby which was a... monkey-fish-frog... And then this monkey-fish-frog had butt sex with that monkey, and that monkey had a mutant retard baby that screwed another monkey... and that made you!

So there you go! You're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a fish-squirrel! Congratulations!

[strateguy632]

Um, who did retard mate with? If one evolved somewhere anywhere, randomly how find a mate?

[smølf]

It's actually worse than that, we started from plants, meaning an evolutionist literally believes they have ancestors that were plants. It can be seen in the tree of life that evolutionists use.

Stated as single-cell organisms into humans, through plants, and before animals.

[SotiCoto]

@smølf : I believe he was quoting Mr Garrison from South Park.

[smølf]

@SotiCoto I don't listen to hip-hop.

[SotiCoto]

@smølf : ... Neither do I. What does that have to do with anything?

[smølf]

@SotiCoto It was also a quote from South Park.

[SotiCoto]

@smølf : Yes. That is what I told you.

[BaronVonBarron]

These two are not mutually exclusive. Evolution as an act of creation. Most people get evolution wrong. They think it was random mutations and then natural selection on top. That is actually false according to science. It is not as random as we thought.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Evolution because it makes the most sense to me personally. We see things evolving within our lifetimes.

Change is inevitable. I doubt that comes from a god that tends to stay out of our lives like we are some kind of science experiment or that let's innocents die and the corrupt and greedy to win. Evolution is just proof of survival of the fittest which seems to be how the world works.

[TheWombRaider]

Do you know the difference between microevolution and macroevolution I agree we do see things evolving but do you know the difference

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Yes, but, what are you considering a long enough time to notice these evolutions in a macroevolution?

I use the microevolution examples because they are relevant to overflowing change we see everyday and how we evolve not only physically (think as an example, athletes who are faster, stronger and more athletic than their counterparts in let's say the 70s and 80s) but as a society as a whole.

[TheWombRaider]

There is no macroevolution there's no evidence of it whatsoever there's no evidence that a fish became a dog there's no evidence that a monkey became a man there's Mike revolution there's different types of dogs there's different types of people there's different types of horses but no Force came from a fish.

If we came from monkeys why do we still have fucking monkeys

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Well, that's just silly. We share traits of apes and chimps but we evolved from another subclass of human and those humans evolved from something else until you go all the way back to single cell organisms.

Besides, there is no evidence of God either but you expect people to have faith in that but not science which has very direct evidence of early humans?

[TheWombRaider]

There's no scientific proof of back revolution there's no half dog half fish fossil records there's no half monkey half man. There's no records in between there's no way of fish became a dog because there's no half fish half a dog record

[TheWombRaider]

Go check it out go show me a half a monkey half a man half dog half fish whatever you show me that in any fossil record

[TheWombRaider]

If we came from apes why the fuck do we still have Apes

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Well, you are obviously stuck in your ways and will only believe what you want and not what's staring you in the face. Have at your blind faith. I'm sure it suits you well.

[TheWombRaider]

No I'm believing the evidence I'm not just believing in magic. Scientific process States that you have to do something and do it over and over to see the same results. They're trying to determine history with science and it's the wrong subject to determining because you can't first of all nobody could observe the Big bang nobody can observe evolution. However you could observe creation and you could see all the signs that point that there's a creator. If you look at a house clearly with your mind you're not going to be like oh that house was formed over billions and billions of years perfectly with an AC and everything no clearly you're going to be like somebody built the house there's a builder for the house it didn't just happen inform there. Clearly creation has a creator it wasn't just formed out of randomness.

[TheWombRaider]

As a matter of fact science points more to it being a creation than it does evolution.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Again, you assume that the creator wasn't just life itself and evolution on the whole. You desperately need to find reason in existence and have given yourself to a higher power. Cool. You do what's best for you. Doesn't make it right, but if you are happy with that, then who's to tell you that you aren't allowed to trust in blind faith?

[TheWombRaider]

Think about it the Big bang she was absolutely nothing and then there was everything. Okay well that had to happen all exactly at one time matter time and space had to occur instantaneously at the same time. Because what matter but no space to put the matter in where would you put it. And if you had space but no matter what would you have everything made out of and if you had matter and space but no time when would you put it.

See everything that we've observed in science we've taken trees and made a chair we've never taken absolutely nothing and made something. That's when God spoke everything into existence in the beginning God created the heavens and earth on day 4 he created the Sun the moon and the stars he created time. Created the thunder moon and stars on day 4 so that we may know the times the seasons and the days he created time

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

You don't need to preach at me. It's not going to work to change my mind anymore than me showing you proof is going to change yours.

In honesty, I kinda see it like talking to a flat earther. You know they are wrong no matter how much evidence you can provide given what we know, but they will continue to have faith in their beliefs because the alternative scares them.

[TheWombRaider]

Not preaching I'm giving you scientific evidence if you believe in science and evolution then you should believe in the scientific method. Show me how your scientific method can prove that there's Evolution using the scientific method. No reality somebody just told you that shit and since you were a little kid and all of a sudden you believe it like it's the truth but you haven't really done any research or anything you haven't even spent time actually thinking about it.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

No, you're preaching, and again, I'm not going to bother trying to help you. You've made up your mind already.

Besides, I grew up religious with my parents taking us to church on Sundays. I didn't see any evidence in what they were saying was real, so I chose to walk away from it.

And with that, I'm done with this conversation. Good luck with your blind faith.

[TheWombRaider]

How is asking you to prove Evolution exists through the scientific method preaching LOL. In reality you're just agreeing the evolution exists even though there's no evidence for it this evidence for creationism because you don't want to believe in religion or the Bible is what you're saying LOL that's just being fucking naive that's being what we call willingly ignorant

[OneViewpoint]

@thewombraider,

Wow, you really don't understand evolution do you. A common ancestor branched into multiple primate species with specific features. And you're asking why 2 of those primates still exist. Like the existence of one precludes the existence of the other. Obviously humans did not evolve from a howler monkey but some other primate branch.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

He really doesn't understand and thinks he has some sort of "gotcha" argument when it comes to the idea monkeys still exist despite us sharing traits of them.

As for his updates, so what if there's nothing after we die? Does it make life any less worth living to the fullest?

[OneViewpoint]

@Ez-Bri-Z_v2,

Regarding his updates. I've seen this argument from religiots over and over again.

"I wouldn't want to live if there were no life after death, no point to my life."

So the fact that your life is finite and all you will ever have somehow cheapens it so much that you'd choose to kill yourself and end it? Really? That's fucking stupid.

My response is to cherish the life that I have for as long as I can knowing that this is all I'm ever gonna have.

They are like frightened children scared to death by the reality that their life IS going to end. They cling to batshit crazy beliefs to avoid thinking about their own mortality. Well, suck it up buttercups. There is no point to our lives. This is it. And it's all you're ever gonna have.

[TheWombRaider]

If there is No God there is no Judge that means there is no moral compass for what is right or wrong. That means people who communicate terrible crimes will never be punished for them. Does that seem fair? As for life coming from non life never has or will ever come from non life. Life comes from life. God is alive there for we and everything else is alive because of him. Life doesn't just happen. As for everything else something doesn't come from nothing and appear out of thin air. It all came from something originally. God when he spoke it into existence. Nothing else makes sense logically or scientifically. Time matter space and life doesn't just appear out of absolutely nothing. Only someone that is Omnipotent, omnipresent and Omnipotent had to create it. This is the only logical explanation

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Morality was created and is maintained by what mankind makes it. They have invented different God's since practically the dawn of time to explain what they couldn't explain. They invented their gods to also control the masses. Unfortunately for you, your primitive mindset has you believing that it's your gods turn to be the right God and eventually over time, the next line up of gods will take over and yours will be studied and perhaps even mocked like the Greek and Roman gods as well as other civilizations attempts to explain the mysteries of the universe.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Evolution makes sense, creationism is really more of a children’s story. Cute, but lacking evidence and realism.

[TheWombRaider]

Evolutions of children's story creation makes 100% sound. Don't think you've ever sat down and thought about it I think you're just going by what you've been told and never questioned it. Never really examined the Evidence.

For example based off of evolution we had a big bang well if you record explosions in science which we have not one time not one explosion has created something meaning if we blow it up on RV it blows up into pieces it doesn't blow up into a perfectly assembled 747 as you as it would suggest that it does when it created everything in the universe. Secondly you can't take nothing absolutely nothing and make something out of it there had to be something there.

That's but not least if you look at scientifically the fossil records of all of our animals there's no fossil records of macroevolution meaning never is there a record or they're proving that a fish became a dog there's microevolution meaning there's different species within the dog small dogs big dog big horses small horses but never get a fish become a dog. Just like man didn't come from monkeys I know this just because if man came from monkeys why do we still have fucking monkeys. ? #mind blown. Also the flood wasn't a little bit of water over millions of years that carved the Grand canyon it was a shit ton of water and just a few seconds. That's why the layers of fossils that they find are the way they are nothing could escape they say oh well the fossil records there's clams at the bottom and then that's why because they were the first animals no they're at the bottom because claims live at the fucking bottom and birds are at the top because birds fly what animals do you think were the last ones to die in the flood the birds that's why they're at the top of the fucking fossil records

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Are you okay? Like genuinely

[TheWombRaider]

Yeah I don't believe lies are the truth I don't believe that men can be women and women can be men I don't believe that we were an accident formed over billions and billions of years with no purpose or no or no life after death.. I believe there's more than that.. are you okay cuz if I believe with you believed what's the point of even being alive go kill yourself now

[TheWombRaider]

You got to believe there's more to life than just living on this Earth and then not existing anymore. That means you have to believe in a god that means it has to be creationism if not then what's even the point of being alive

[AndrésC64]

You obviously have no idea what evolution means. Maybe you should use the Google machine. Evolution has been proven and it has been seen. There is zero evidence for invisible beings.

[AndrésC64]

You have it completely backwards. If there is a God and an afterlife, then this life is absolutely worthless. This life is one divided by infinity. Do you know what that equals? That's right zero. This life is worth zero compared to Infinity. And we make our own purpose and we make this life, the only life we have meaningful. We don't get it from some invisible sky daddy.

[mobiusforniner]

@thewombraider telling @cupcakethedestroyer to “kill herself now” is a behavior extremely unbecoming of any Christian.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Ain’t no hate like Christian love

[AndrésC64]

So true.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
-- Voltaire

[AndrésC64]

^^^ reply to CupcakeTheDestroyer ^^^

[mobiusforniner]

@cupcakethedestroyer honestly this guys a joke. His profile talks about cock pics and porn and he’s here now preaching to others about creationism and Christianity. lol. What an ass.

[TheWombRaider]

@mobiusforniner No body told anybody to kill themselves. It's a rehtoric question to why do you exist. Stop twisting shit and making it it's not something it's not

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

There’s not much point in trying to change the mind of someone who so obviously asked this question in bad faith.

[OneViewpoint]

@thewombraider,

Damn you dumb boy. But then you believe in magic invisible sky fairies. So I'm not surprised.

[AMS700CX4u2]

What often upsets me, but not for long, is someone who accepts that Creationism and Evolution are opposing concepts. With that we are starting to understand that maybe we are not the first to have attained a top of the food chain status. Our view is so limited by what we see. Our perspective is so narrow. Our lives are so short. Humans have a tendency to use reverse logic. That is like saying the reason we have two legs is because pants have two legs. Start from the beginning and realize that God's biggest challenge was trying to get thoughts across to Moses, when Moses's frame of understanding was so limited. Even if he tried to explain Nuclear Physics to Moses it was going to be difficult because Moses was not equipped with the knowledge base to understand the process that God had used to create physical matter. Matter first then Plant life and Animal life, and ultimately Us.
I think that you have problems with the amount of time God utilized to bring his Creation to perfection. So many want to see Him as a magician. It seems that men think, that if they request something and it happens immediately, that demonstrates power. God does things on His own time. Nothing could demonstrate power more than refusing to do something in a hurry for an audience and ultimately Evolution can not occur until there are creatures to evolve. Creationism is the formation of matter where there was none.. One key note. If our Creator took part of his own fabric to create physical matter then, we are His.

[Tamera952]

I think it depends on which A. I. you ask, and how do we check the framing of your question, and built in bias, if you don’t post the convo receipts?

That aside, science (which is a process by the way) lends itself solely to establishing that evolution is sound and stands up to investigation.

Your paragraph doesn’t make any sense whatsoever:

“If you believe in evolution and you don't believe in creationism that means you don't believe there's a God”—(so far so good)—

“that means what's the point of the human being alive if you die and you don't exist anymore”—(huh? No, that’s not what that means. Don’t know how you made that jump)—

“In order for them to be evolution that means there's no life after death there's nothing after this”—(huh? Say what? Why couldn’t you believe in evolution, and an afterlife? I do) —

“If you believe there's something after this then you have to believe there's a God” —(no, actually you don’t. Maybe you believe that everyone is a spiritual being, and that it’s normal and natural when you’re done down here on earth, having an adventure in the physical, to return ‘nome’ to wherever or whatever you want to call the non-physical realm. Maybe all this could be the case, without any Judeo-Christian god whatsoever? Maybe it’s not at all like the ‘heaven’ the buybull describes) —

“if you believe there's a God then you have to believe in creationism it's that simple”—(as I stated above, no that doesn’t mean that. Plus, there are people who think there’s some kind of god, but that have half a brain cell, and know enough to know creationism is a cop-out and intellectually lazy, and made up by idiots)—

[TheWombRaider]

Common sense shows evolution is bs.. So over millions of years non life developed life which has never been observed ever. Then a single cell emerrges and has the perfect system for replication it splits and clones itsellf which is the most efficient way of reproduction. Then decided to split into 2 different sexes make and female. Only to reproduce and become 1 again. Makes no sense

[Tamera952]

Who care about “common sense” …. I care about facts and evolution has scientific and factually accuracy on its side. So what were are actually talking about is YOUR ‘common sense’ thinks it’s B. S.
So that is a logical fallacy of yours called:
Personal Incredulity—
The fallacy of personal incredulity occurs when one finds a concept difficult to understand, or simply does not fathom how it works, then they conclude that it is likely untrue.

So just because you think it’s B. S.—luckily doesn’t mean it’s B. S.
And as for whatever ‘cell dividing’ example you put forth, I have no clue what you’re asserting, or saying, or asking, so yea, …. makes no sense.

[TheWombRaider]

You ask it based on purse scientific and Mathmatical obsevation excluding any relgious information.. and making this a new chat and never have we spoken before. As well as keeping th answers as short as possible.. What is the Probiblity the big bang occured and life came from non life as well as everything came from nothing.. Then you ask it.. Based off file records and fossiles what show signs of macroevoultion in the fossile record.. Also what is the probibity of a cell which already has the prefect replication in splittin in to would make 2 separate sexs literally in every species and then procreate with a much much more diverse species of sex.. Iam betting that these numbers are so huge that it would be damnnear

[Tamera952]

The world is a strange place, yes. Full of mysteries and wonder, yes.

[AMS700CX4u2]

I think Evolution was the Tool that the Creator used to mold life forms into something suitable to house his spirit children. The Creation of matter by the Big Bang evidently occurred when our Creator, using part of its own being, transformed it into matter. Luckily, or by design some of the cosmic dust created by the Big Bang coalesced into a ball that found itself residing close to a nuclear furnace. When the furnace burned down a bit so as not the burn the marshmallows, Hydrogen and Oxygen met at a massive square dance held at the home of Iron and his wife Nickel, an elite couple whose fortune was begotten through the foundation. Sodium and his mate Potassium called the dance and the band, The Halides provided the auditory vibrations necessary to initiate the exchange of electrons and protons, and viola' within a flash isotopes were conceived and delivered on the Table of Periodicity. The Carbone family flourished and resided near Hydrogen and Oxygen who were always open to the idea of Manage' and coupled freely forming long chains of relatives. Meanwhile in the far reaches of the atmosphere Nitrogen was having stormy relations with members of the Hydro family who had chosen to depart ways with their more aqueous progenitors. One must always be cognizant of the company one keeps, as residing atmospherically surrounds one with many volatile personalities. Arguments ensued, as would be expected and through a few charged ejaculations, Life was created. And as one knows, no one seeks mates in their own neighborhood. So you see both forces were necessary. Creation and Evolution are soulmates not opposing concepts.

[BadApple69]

I think it’s possible to believe in both.

God created everything…. The environment God created causes things to adapt to the ever changing environment…. It’s my opinion that God knows all and sees all but he doesn’t get into the day to day crap. We were given free will so we do things that could change things as an example the Heikegani crab (look it up). It has the face of a Japanese warrior on its shell. The reason is hundreds of years of fisherman throwing back crabs that looked a little like a face. The more it looked like a warrior the better chance it didn’t get eaten. This is how natural selection works. Although this was man made natural selection. God doesn’t do the day to day crap.

[Miristheiss]

Creation.

I know God created the universe.

Evolution is idiotic. Evolved? From what? It has to be alive and exist to begin with before it evolves. Where, how did the universe get here? All of this unfathomable amount of matter, it is here. How? Where did 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms come from?

Evolution people just gliss right over that. Then once the universe and matter is here how did this single cell just spring to life? When do living organisms just spring to life?

The universe is slam dunk proof of a creator.

[OneViewpoint]

Holy shit you're stupid.

You know God created the universe. (No you don't. But let's explore your belief for a second.)

So God created the universe. Because someone had to be here to create it.

OK, lets say that moronic statement is true.

Then your God can't exist either since nothing can exist unless someone else was here to create your God. Your entire God argument gets blown to shit by your own logic. All because you are incapable of understanding anything outside of your own limited experience at the macro level.

Now you'll say that your God is a special case. It can violate your moronic rule. But only it. You people can rationalize any stupidity.

But if your God can violate your moronic rule, why can't something else spring into existence spontaneously with nothing existing before it to create it? Why can't that happen over and over again. Ya know what? It does. Countless times per second. At the quantum level. Femto scale particles that behave more like waves pop in and out of existence constantly.

Inflation from a point source and expansion explains it.

As for life, it didn't start with a cell. It started with carbon based molecules that evolved into amino acids, proteins, and lipids. Reactions eventually created more and more complex chains that eventually became RND and DNA, and so on and so forth. There is no one driving the bus. It's all random chance. Why does that scare the shit out of you?

[Pohjolan]

At this point creationism is as believable as flat earth or global warming being a hoax.

Science disproves creationism beginning from the age of the earth to us still having leftovers from our ancestors living in the sea or banana flies being editable with human DNA and vice versa.

Or human bones not being present in archaeological findings along other animals after you dig to a certain depth.

And what's the point of us having the ability to choke on our own puke?

That's a pretty bad design flaw.

Also spoilers: Your god is not real. You were not bothered about not being alive before and you are unable to lament your death after you cease to exist.

[strateguy632]

I am skeptical of both. Between those two, a creator is more plausible than "random"... even if i had the "ingredients " i mean all the amino acids and piled them, we all know they would not connect naturally nor randomly... anyone who knows basic biology of reproduction and chromosomes knows evolution to a different total of chromosomes is impossible... not just unlikely byt impossible. The scientific myth called evolution is against science of biology.

[SotiCoto]

Evolution is a thing that objectively happens. It continues to happen whether or not anyone believes in it.
"Creation" is a delusion based entirely on human failure to understand how things come about. An ancient delusion of superstitious idiots from millennia ago.

[TheWombRaider]

No creation is a logical fact based notion that you can prove more scientifically sound than any other explanation there can be. Saying Creation is not true is being willingly ignorant to examine. the evidence at hand for either situation. Anyone with common sense can look at the evidence and probiltity mathematically and statistically which one would have occurred more likely it's by far creation it answers questions that Evolution can't answer therefore it's incomplete already the whole question is where the life come from Evolution can't explain that creation can.

[SotiCoto]

There are different levels of stupidity. Small mistakes can be corrected and mild stupidity can be steered in the right direction through careful use of simple terms... But everything you said is so baselessly nonsensical that you're obviously below the threshold for communication. Trying to explain to you all the things you've got wrong and why would be as wasted on you as it would be on a dog, as you aren't using language so much as just imitating it without context.
The problem, therefore, is how you got access to this site. Somebody must have left a logged in device nearby.

[TheWombRaider]

No it's just that you don't understand it it's not nonsense it's 100%, what's nonsense is to think that non-life came from life. You can even ask AI If evolution is probable and it says it's not you know what it says when you ask it it's 10 to the 600 zeros that's improbable. More likely the creation existed by far. It's very unlikely that something exploded and it created order never not one time at all of science have we observed an explosion create order it always creates chaos but yet somehow the Big bang created life in order dude don't be that fucking naive

[genericname85]

i believe in neither thing. evolution is a observable fact. what's the point in not believing in something that is a demonstrable fact? Believe can apply to things you don't know already. We know already that evolution happens so believe is out of the picture for that. and why would i believe in creation which is not demonstrably true and has no evidence for it, when we already know the explanation for the things it tries to explain?

[TheWombRaider]

Again microevolution is obserable not macroevolution. There are no observations or fossil that show a fish becoming a dog or any species becoming a completely different species. Microevolution yes like different breed of dogs wolves to Chihuahua but still all dogs

[genericname85]

The only difference between micro evolution and macro evolution is time. In fact micro and factor evolution don't exist as terms on science. Apologetics have made that bullshit up.

And yeah you exactly got it. Chihuahuas, German shepherds and son are all still dogs. Just like humans are still apes. A species never suddenly becomes a different species. It always stays consistent. That's why we're also still primarss, mammals and eukaryotes cause that's our line of evolution. We won't ever thurn to dogs or vice versa

[genericname85]

But dogs are also mammals. That doesn't mean we're dogs. Does that make sense to you? So that means dogs and us do have a common ancestor as well.

[genericname85]

It only works in one direction cause one generation can never procreate to being forth their parents or grand parents. So it's a one way road. To that's why we have a common ancestor with all mammals but we can never switch to become their species

[genericname85]

Did I mention that Auto correct hates me?

[TheWombRaider]

Wrong the difference is micro evolution is changes with in a species as in dogs they havce different breed dogs. but they are still dogs.. Macroevolution is change from one species to another liike a fish becoming a dog..

[TheWombRaider]

No we dont have a common ansester thats eveolution in creation we are made after our own kind.. which makes much more sense.. than a cell which can multiple itself and make a copy which is the best way to reproduce to split into 2 different kind male and female only to have to come together to reproduce that is in efficient and wouldn't happen.

[genericname85]

"kind" is not a term that has any sort of accuracy in describing differences in species. you know life started out in water. there's no life that originally originated on land. so all life you see on the planet was a "fish" somewhere in it's ancestry, if you're using the "kind" terminology. and that's exactly where that "kind" bullshit breaks apart. cause we know for a fact that all complex life (so anything larger than certain bacteria) that exists today originates from eukareote cells, which originated from within water so would be a fish according to the "kind" definition.

[genericname85]

and the mechanism with certain fish would "slowly" develop into species that could breathe air and then develop limbs from their fins that could cary weight on land to then evolve into all 2 and 4 legged land animals we know is just time. that's it. that's why only religious folks even use the terms "micro" and "macro" evolution. cause they wanna draw an arbitrary distinctiont hat doesn't exist to somehow still keep believing their bibles word that somehow god made humans from mud which is just completely and objectively wrong. but yeah. you can believe all that. but the worlds of "facts" and "fiction" aren't the same. i'm in the world of facts. you're in the world of fiction here.

[TheWombRaider]

You can't be this nieve to say there is no evidence of creation but their is evidence of evolution.. lol there is 100x more evidence for creation.. begin with common sense. In order for the universe to exist 3 things have to happen simultaneously. Time , Space, and Matter all have to come in to. exsistence at the exact same time. If you had Time but no matter or Space then nothing would exist. If u had space but no time or matter what and when would it waist. If you had matter but not space or time when and where would you put it.

This is all explained in gen 1. v1. In the beginning (time) God created the Heavens (space). And the Earth (matter) the most obvious answer is it.

[genericname85]

but there is evidence for evolution. we see it every day. you're trying to invalidate that evidence by calling it "micro evolution", which is bullshit meanwhile there's no evidence for creation ever happening yet you wanna believe that? so you don't wanna believe the thing we can see every day to be true but you do wanna believe a completely unproven thing to be true. makes no sense dude.

i know the bible states that god created everything but "stating" it doesn't mean it's true. like we know the bible is wrong with this. for example: Genesis says Earth and plant life were created before the sun, moon, and stars (Day 3 vs Day 4), while science shows the sun predates the Earth and plants by billions of years.

so quite frankly, everyone knows the bible is dead wrong. you can still keep believing that nonsense buit you can't claim to be right with it cause the facts happen to be quite the opposite of everything that you're saiying.

and again: in evolution species don't suddenly change species through mutation over time. a species always stays the same species and never changes. that's why we're still eukareotes, mammals, monkes and humans. we still are all these things and we will never just be dogs. so what you call "macro evolution" does not exist. just evolution exists and you can't deny it.

[genericname85]

ok. look i'll try to make an example that may be compelling. so obviously "micro evolution" which at least you acknowledge only works one way right? Children can't give birth to their parents so it can only work in a linear progression. so to speak simplisticly and skip over several millions of years: our grandparents were monkeys. Dogs great prents were not monkeys so that's not our common ancestor. but several billions of years earlier our "great grand parents" were mammals right? and dogs great grand parents were also mammals. so there's the common ancestor. it doesn't mean we can ever become dogs. because our families split up so long ago, it can not happen that way. it's exactly like you can breed a wolf to be a poodle over several generations. but a poodle won't evolve back into a wolf, cause it doesn't work that away around.

[Phoenix98]

Being a Christian I believe in creation however I do think that things such as microevolution are a thing. Because we have scientific evidence to prove that species adapted to new environments over time and made small changes to reflect that so they could survive in these new areas.

[smølf]

Creationism, but microevolution is a known fact. This is the basis for all breeding, various dog breeds are done through intelligent evolution.

The same principles apply in nature, but macroevolution, however, is not evidence-based and is a different matter.

[Caroline91]

I think we get stuck in so many false dichotomies. Isn't it possible that it isn't either or? Perhaps evolution was created. I mean, after all, an acorn is an oak tree but you wouldn't know it by looking at it.

[Bloodparadise]

I believe in both the Bible genesis and big bang theory

[TheWombRaider]

You saying you believe God started the big bang with this sentence in the beginning (time ) God created the heavens (space) and the Earth the (mass) does the Big bang essentially says time space and matter has to come in existence at the exact same time if not none of them would.

[FreyaRed]

Evolution and modification of DNA by some beings we could see as gods are both possible. Why needs the one to exclude the other?

[TheWombRaider]

I don't follow.

[FreyaRed]

Creationist are wrong about how it happened but *gods changed our earthly DNA several times to get particular result. *Gods control the evolution but when they aren't here evolution does what it does, it creates uncontrolled mutations which are then tested for it usability in an environment.

* definition of those beings might differ depending on ideology

[TheWombRaider]

What Do you believe if A Intelligent Designer that lives outside out laws and space created life didn't do it then what did.

[WonderingManII]

Creation mostly. But I do believe that some animals change with the environment, and there are other things that do too. Creation because I believe God created, and put the ability to adapt into the creatures He created. Just my beliefs.

[AlenAHHHH]

You dont believe in evolution lol but I also believe there is a god somewhere. I dont know its good or bad, maybe neither.

[AndrésC64]

Evolution because it's backed by science and I'm not an idiot.

[Ariesman81]

Both are trying to explain the same thing. Creationism using faith and science trying to use proof. Both battling for acceptance.

[Dargil]

I believe in Intelligent Design.

[AndrésC64]

Intelligent design? Really? Without cheating, take a guess at how many known diseases there are for just humans.

[Dargil]

@AndrésC64 How is that relevant?

[AndrésC64]

Because if something was intelligently designed it shouldn't have any defects. So go ahead and guess how many defects are known just for humans.

[Dargil]

@AndrésC64 Undoubtedly there will be artifacts. The Creator did not promise not to challenge us.

[AndrésC64]

So your perfect, omniscient, omnipotent, all loving invisible friend creates diseases that will kill you before you're even born? He will create parasites do one thing and one thing only, eat your eye from the inside out and make you blind? Does that sound like a perfect design from a loving God? Cancer that kills a child is a perfect design from a loving God?

[Dargil]

@AndrésC64 G0d did not promise not to test our faith.

[AndrésC64]

How is cancer that's going to kill a child before his first birthday testing his faith? A child that young knows absolutely nothing of faith.

[Dargil]

@AndrésC64 testing his parents' faith.

[Staximus]

Creationism is a retard's theory