I've been noticing both online and offline that even with the vast amount of information available, a lot of people still seem to be close minded.
Close mindedness doesn't necessarily imply conservatism since modern liberals love to silence dissent just as much if not more than conservatives.
It is always refreshing to see people like Dave Rubin who can openly discuss with others their ideas, especially if he doesn't agree with them without shouting "racist, bigot, homophobe".
With conservatives who behave in this manner the issue is always the same, "We don't want change". I'll admit, change can be terrifying but that doesn't mean it should be avoided at all costs.
The abolition of slavery and woman's suffrage are just two examples of massive changes that have benefited society. When these issues were being discussed there were people actively opposing these motions. Sadly for them, they are remembered in history as awful human beings who stood in the way of progress.
The Internet with its vast collection of information has allowed for people to be both liberated from propaganda and at the same time to allow the weak minded to be preyed upon by conspiracy theorists and racists alike.
For some such as myself, the Internet has helped broaden horizons and I try to use it as a tool for both acquiring knowledge and for entertainment.
However there are a lot of people on the Internet who use it as a safe space for their asinine beliefs. I will always run into either a neo-Nazi who blames Jews for everything, starting with his unemployment to the state of the economy. There has also been an increase in Hamas supporters who believe that their land was somehow stolen from them when in fact it is they who are responsible for their predicament.
Aside from hateful morons that target not only Jews but Muslims, gays and whomever else they don't like that week there are also people who are proudly ignorant.
I came across a Gager recently that at first didn't believe that Caucasians are different from Negroids who are different from Mongoloids on a genetic level. This is what makes racial distinction biological and not a social construct. If that wasn't enough, she didn't believe in evolution either. Now I don't know what planet she's from but I've always seen evolution as common sense. It's taught in every biology class and is undeniable; yet some people see it as an attack on their faith.
I'd argue that science doesn't disprove God it merely shows what he has created and shows the true genius behind it (if he exists that is).
That is why I call open you my fellow Gagers to join me on my quest to spread knowledge to the ignorant. We may not be able to change all of their minds but we need to start somewhere.
If you are unsatisfied with your politicians and want real change in your country instead of the show that's put on every few years then I hope that you could take part in this campaign for reason.
Democracy is something that must be fought for. Not with guns and knives but with words and actions.
Let's each try and do something to encourage others to learn.
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*DISCLAIMER--I AM GENERALIZING* Great post. Most people would probably call me a conservative but I'm not. I do take a conservative stance on many issues but I have liberal stances too. I consider myself a libertarian. I am very open minded and will listen to anyone but that doesn't mean I'm going to change my mind especially if I know I'm right. I have changed stances on things in the past and I have no problem being proven wrong, I'll admit it. I don't care who is right or wrong I only want the truth. I do take a unwavering stance on some things. I see the difference between a conservative and a liberal in this area like this: liberals pride themselves on being open minded and conservatives are open minded (way more than liberals imo) but don't really brag or pride themselves on it. They are fine with what most people think and don't really care anyway but they normally don't hate them for it. I hardly ever see a known conservative loath someone cuz they disagree but I see it constantly irl and on here. I've been attacked on here viciously for my opinions by liberals. I personally think they're way less open minded, accepting of others ideas and cultures and far more bigoted. I think they believe it's ok to be that way towards someone else if they're male and white cuz we're evil, even though most conservatives would give their shirt off their backs for others and wonderful people, easy going, patient, accepting people. Here's exhibit A form yesterday, I was arguing with this person about gun control. I'll admit I was getting impatient cuz I was getting attacked by a few people yesterday about this. I never said anything offensive, a I was doing was asking questions that I really had about why they believe what they believe. When I couldn't get an answer, I got attacked. This is a normal liberal tactic:
A rapid fire murder weapon seasonally used by psychopaths to mow down a crowd in a short span of time. Glad to hear you find shooting targets that fun, supports my idea that no normal person would use one with innocent intentions. You probably imagine killing people, don't you. Making them illegal keeps them out of people's possession which is how it should be. Criminals are Americans too, you don't have to be a jail bird to kill people. All the school shootings we hear about are young men who fantasize about shooting just like you. Illegallizing them would put people who should be in jail for having killer tendencies, in jail.
I don't know if you know this about me but I support the second amendment. Although I do believe you need better background checks since anyone who has never committed any crimes can come in buy an AR-15 and then shoot up a school or a gay club or a movie theatre. Some sort of mental health testing should be required.
When it comes to sane people owning firearms I think you should own whatever you like so long as it is stored safely and is not used to harm others.
Maybe there should be mental checks but why only for guns? Cars cause many, many times more deaths than guns do. There is already a law banning people with mental problems from owning a gun. Even if someone that wants to shoot up a school or whatever was denied buying a gun at a gun store, they'd just buy one on the street for cheaper and no checks at all. It's extremely unusual for a criminal to buy from a store cuz many of them can't pass a check anyway plus there's a paper trail a mile long on the gun they would have bought. It's much simpler, safer and cheaper for a criminal to buy on the black market and that's all you'd do is force more of them underground and burden law abiding people with extra cost and regulation. It would do absolutely nothing for crime except make it slightly more safer for a criminal to be a criminal.
If someone wasn't diagnosed with a mental illness yet, then they can buy a gun no problem that's what troubles me.
True but is it a good road to go down banning a person from a right guaranteed by the constitution no less with no conviction or even accusation of a crime? That's opening a can of worms I think would be bad. Even if it wasn't a Constitutional right, it would be unwise to do such things. Especially if it would make no difference anyway. If they were denied buying one in a store, they will have one in no time anyway that's untraceable. I think it's a terrible idea even if it would make a difference which it will not. It will do nothing at best or make things worse in the worse case scenario. People just cannot grasp this for some reason. It's painfully obvious to me but maybe working with and understanding practically every gun law on the books and understanding how and why they don't work or make things worse allows a more informed opinion on my part. People making laws about things they don't understand is a recipe for disaster. That's one reason why the U. S. is so fucked already.
But palastine was takes by force
Britain gave it to the Jews , and it didn't belong to neither
And evolution is just a theory , and has nothing to do with beliefs
And scientists now starting to say it was wrong
Science is just assumptions, who imagined that Newton would be wrong
Science is good but it's too limited
"And scientists now starting to say it was wrong".
No credible scientist has ever suggested that. Don't lie.
@Riggers I didn't say it was proven it was wrong , but scientists starting to doubt it
And by time it will be wrong
Who would imagined that Newton would be totally wrong
Evolution is a theory , and it will be proven it's wrong by a newer theory, that's how science work
Palestine never existed as a country. In 1947 a partition plan was created by the UN to give Jews and Arabs their own separate states. The Jews agreed but the Arabs invaded in full force. The Jews had already immigrated there and purchased land legally. The Jews were lucky that people from all over the world rallied behind them to allow them to have a state of their own. After the war Palestinian lands were occupied by Jordan and Egypt, while Israel expanded its borders as a form of revenge for the invasion. Invasions continued by the Arabs so Israel would fight back and take their land as a prize. However, it was not Israel's goal. Countless times they offered Palestinians their land back in exchange for peace. Every time the agreements were rejected. Instead Hamas and Fatah would attack Israel by launching rockets and using their own citizens as human shields for their propaganda.
As for evolution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4S2qJboi4I
I didn't get it, how does it make Palatine their land?
You are worse than who justify 911
You would write pages justifying it, but I don't think you can justify if I gave your girl to my friend as reward
911 was a terrorist attack by Radical Muslims.
Israel was defending itself. It couldn't just let Palestine keep that land and risk being attacked, it was a way of temporarily disabling them and afterwards Israel made many attempts to give the land back in return for peace but the Arabs wanted everything including the original Jewish territory.
If the Arabs hadn't invaded in the first place they wouldn't be in this mess.
Their leaders have failed them pining them against the Jews while using their own people as human shields and killing anyone that disagrees with them.
According to your logic, I can approve to a group of armed people to own part of the US
I believe that 911 is terror and so is isreal
But you think less of non Western victims
That doesn't make sense.
If an armed group tries to take control of a territory then they're terrorists.
Israel was invaded and fought in self defence. Had the Arabs accepted the partition, Israel wouldn't have annexed their land. Annexation is a part of war, the Arabs were trying to do just that when they invaded. Israel tried many times to negotiate for peace and return the land but the Arabs want all Jews gone and for British Palestine to be under their control.
911 was an act of terror by radical Islamic terrorists. They targeted innocent civilians for no reason. Israel does not target innocent civilians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN1MkAGuVyY
As for non-Western victims #AllLivesMatter
It saddens me to see Hamas and the PA brainwashing people into attacking Israeli soldiers and how it ruins their families. When the death toll is much higher on the Palestinian side because the civilians are used as human shields that angers me.
As it should you. Radical Islam is a problem.
brainwashed,,, hmmm, you are just doing what you were complaining about
,, again,,, Britain gave isreal palastine as a reward for helping in ww2
and you admitting that kind of act is terror, you just can't say isreal is terror,
however i am not here to educate you about which countries bombing which ,, if you can't see the sun i can't help :D
1st of all just learn not to justify violence by violence,, its wrong and it won't be in the west favor,
there is no single Arab country not being invaded more than once,,, massacres made by westerns is just the basic of our history since Alexander, still i dont think its right to justify violence by violence,,,
oh but defending my own country is another thing,,, i think you would fight back if some army came to ur army,,, oh wait noo you can't defend your own country against enemies army cause you will be terrorist,, lol
do you know what terror is? terror is robbing land, terror is bombing a whole country, imagine it dont just read, bombing a whole country , not just a building , not just a street , not a city , a whole country,
if killing 50 man is terror , and killing millions is not
what kind of torn standard do we have here
You clearly don't know your history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wo2TLlMhiw
lol now i am gonna learn my history from unknown biased youtube video made by noone, seriously , ok i will answer this but i am not gonna answer more cause i am not here to eduate yo
arabs and their grandsfathers -which are all jews before christ- live in this land thausands of years ago , after christ some of natives became Christians -bttw they have been massacred by western church as usual- after islam , some of natives became muslims
now you have native jews, christians and muslims live here too way before history
then suddenly some strangers invaded the land claiming its theirs-and traeting arab jews as second class citizen, oh by the way issnt it discrimination to build a country based on religion-,, just cause they are jews, there are many jews across the world against isreal
i think you just wana see arabs being killing and you wanna justify it by any mean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
i am gonna make a video saying hitler didn't invade france
And yet you didn't watch the video.
The video shows both the Palestinian and Israeli determination for their own country.
Immigration is not invasion. The Jews immigrated legally, bought land legally and gained their state legally.
With guns and tanks. They got Palestinians outta their homes, that what you mean by buying, I met many people experienced this themselves
And if you bought some lands does it give you the right to build a country
If I bought a building in your country , would it be right if I built army in it , and prevent your authority, and start to invade near blocks
You are just a copy of Isis, you try to justify killing innocents
1. Before 1948 Jews immigrated to Palestine and purchased land there that was unoccupied.
2. Palestinians were never forced to leave their homes.
3. You can do as you wish with your land
4. Israel did not invade it fought back. Israel was happy with the partition.
5. Daesh is a radical Islamist group that wants to indoctrinate all people in its views and kill all non-believers. Israel is a liberal democracy and the only country in the middle east with gay rights. It has equal rights for Arabs and Jews.
6. Israel isn't going anywhere. If Palestine wants peace then they must accept the current borders. Palestine has no right to demand anything. They're leadership is a bunch of savages that uses their people as human shields and targets innocent civilians.
Palestinians were forced ,
You are saying anything to justify killing people
I never heard I can conquer a country if I bought a part of it, lol
Isreal is a country build based on religion, and native Arab Jews are second class citizen
Killing for religion is the same as killing for politics
Of course daesh is not like isreal, daesh victims are by tens and hundreds, while isreal victims are by thousand and millions
I don't blame you that you don't know these facts, I know how much isreal manipulate public TVs ,
Was it peaceful when isreal attacked sainai?
Are we second degree victims in your opinion?
Read bulfor promise, you may find how it worked
I have question, I just wanna see how far a man can go to justify his opinion
During Egyptian isrealian war, isreal bombed an elementary school full of kids, do you think this is OK?
I'm well aware of the Balfour Declaration which why I posted the video.
All I see is you saying Israel is bad even though it was YOUR people that invaded.
Israel fought back and took some land as compensation. Now Israel isn't perfect no country is but to claim that they're murderers when they have done everything in their power to avoid war is unthinkable.
As for the Sinai, they gave it back willingly.
War crimes committed by Israel are inexcusable but that doesn't justify Hamas war crimes and terrorist attacks.
Tell me what do you think about blowing up buses filled with civilians?
What about placing rockets in schools, hospitals and residential areas so that when Israel shoots them down there are a lot of civilian casualties?
Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East which allows both Jews and Arabs to voice their grievances in parliament.
How many Palestinians get to voice their concerns in the West Bank or in Gaza?
None because they're all murdered by Hamas and Fatah
Plastine invaded isreal, no these strangers came and invaded this land, I am sorry man, but these are facts
And isreal didn't give sainai back,. They lost it
But this is not why I mentioned it, I mentioned it to show you that they are just pirates and would invade when they can
All isrealian citizen are soldiera
It's so mean when you accuse the ones who defend their land, not the invaders, even if the defenders made mistakes
Israel is the Kings of war crimes, they are famous for killing civilians , kids and shooting gentiles
Read Zionism protocols to understand what are these people about
I know your defence mechanism system is fighting the truth too hard, cause it's agaisnt what you wanna believe
You present your topic Mental rigidity
1947 After the partition Arab states invaded Israel
1956 Israel along with Britain and France invade the Sinai peninsula after the Egyptian government nationalize the Suez Canal blockades of the Straits of Tiran
1967 Syria and other Arab states invade Israel
1973 Six day war- Egypt and Syria invade Israel
1979 Treaty signed between Israel and Egypt. Israel agrees to give back the Sinai peninsula in return for Egypt's end of hostility.
1982 Israel invades Lebanon to eliminate PLO threat
1985 Israeli troops withdraw from Lebanon
1987 Massive riots in Palestinian territories
1993 Israel and PLO sign Oslo accords
The rest you can read on Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_wars_involving_Israel
Honestly it couldn't be more clear that Israel is the victim fighting for it's right to exist while the Arab savages want it destroyed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHSv1asFvU
I'm sorry most of these data is wrong
You just don't wanna seek the truth
At 48 Arabs were defending Palatine as isreal are invaders
At 67 isreal attacked both Egypt and syria
, I wonder would you defend yourself if someone invaded your home and it's my right to exist
You know what, you would probably not defend yourself
There is a difference between ideas debating and lying
And your lying , it's not a point of view , it's lying, you stated years and lied about what happened
This is lowering my iq
This is pointless, but just an advice, if you are brave enough to know the truth read Zionism protocols ,
If you are defending their existence that much
Why don't you take them in your country, shy ours?
If you can't look at history and see that Israel was invaded then I don't know what to tell you.
Let's back track to 1948. You oppose the partition and would've given all the land to the Palestinians.
What about the Jews?
Do they not have a right to their own state?
I've said numerous times that I would support a 2 state solution, heck even a 3 state solution since Gaza and the West Bank are ruled by different factions.
Why can't you accept that Israel exists and will continue to do so?
As for the legality. British Palestine was British land and they divided it as they saw fit.
It's like saying you have 10 apples. You give 5 to person A and 5 to person B.
Why would strangers live in a land it don't belong to them? What makes it their right?
There were Arab Jews already living in Palastine? why other strangers come and claim that this is their land
Can I come take your home and say it's mine? and you be the terrorist? Is that your standard
Do you understand the concept of immigration?
They immigrated there legally after being expelled for centuries so yeah they wanted their land back.
I explained that earlier , but your rigid
These people are strangers and their grands has nothing to do with land
Isreal was about to be declared in Brazil , this has nothing to do with the lie story you are saying
I feel like I am talking to public TV, brainwashed by the system
Stay as you are , follow the system lol
Rigid means uncompromising.
I'm willing to accept both a Jewish and a Palestinian state.
You on the other hand want the Jews to fuck off and give all the land to the Palestinians.
How is Britain giving land to the Jews wrong? It was British land and they could do with it as they please.
Immigration is also a legal process in which people move to another territory.
Britain own this land? no they invaded the land
the land is Arabic before history
rigidity means you dont accept to be wrong
ok according to your logic,,, arabs have right in europe? we lived there for hundred years
i just noticed your young,, i thinkg you are not mature enough to let go your ego and accept you could be wrong
we are accepting jews,,, there is arab jews living in Palestine as natives , they are now second class citizen in Israel, there is difference between Jewish and Zionist, do you even know the difference? there are a lot of religious Jews around the world against isreal
one simple question out of contest :are you christian?
@Riggers Actually, I've read books and articles by scientists from many different backgrounds that are questioning it or flat out say it's impossible to have happened that way. They take all the same courses other scientists have taken in their areas. What makes them not credible? Oh that's right, I forgot, they don't agree with your pre conceived notions. Is that open minded?
@SüßeJäger pre convinced!!!
if you read i said that evolution has nothing to do with beliefs
and if you think that evolution is the absolute truth,, then i am sorry to tell you that science doesn't work that way,, every theory was believed as absolute truth turned out to be totally, wrong, so in the future evolution will expire just like any other theory,,,, thats how science work
i didn't say its right or wrong,,, but many scientists have reasonable claims thats its wrong
and evolution is a theory that has no proof and it doesn't explain everything, some things in nature contradict with it
its just a theory , its doing well till now, but who knows
I agree with you, Dimmu. I was talking to the Riggers guy.
The land was under British control, they took it from the Ottomans after WW1.
Any land under a country's control is their property whether you like it or not.
For example, if your neighbour's house was foreclosed then the bank has full ownership of his house and its contents and can do with it as it pleases.
You may not like that but it's the case.
I've been to Israel, there's no apartheid and no one is treated any worse than anyone else, except maybe Ethiopian Jews but that's another topic entirely.
There are Arabs in every branch of government in Israel.
Don't get me wrong. I oppose Religious Zionism since it calls for the annexation of the West Bank and Gaza. It also calls for all Jews to return to Israel.
Zionism in its original form "the creation of a state for the Jewish people" is something I support.
What I want is either a 2 or 3 state solution given the current circumstances.
What you want is to kick out all the Jews and give all the land to Palestine.
are you serious? there are native people living there before the ottoman, and before history,
you can't force another people to live in their land, well you can force it , but you can't claim its right
you support violence,, who can invade a country has the right to control it and do whatever he wants to its people,,,, ewwww
you didn't answer my question, are you christian?
I NEVER said I supported violence I was pointing out the history. That's why I used the example of the bank foreclosing a home. The owner of a property has every right to do with it as he pleases even if others see it as wrong.
You can turn your basement into a sex dungeon if you like even if other people see it as morally wrong.
Property rights have nothing to do with morality.
Morality is how we view people's actions and behaviours.
The British invaded the Ottamans in World War 1 and split its territory up.
It was actually Lawrence of Arabia, a British man that helped Arab states achieve independence from the Ottamans.
Your whole point is based on whether the governing authority has the right to do with the land as it pleases if it doesn't represent the locals.
I'm glad you support democracy, but a state doesn't have to represent its people to be in charge.
Just look at North Korea.
I'm not Christian I'm an atheist. Why?
what independence? independence to the British invaders? thats not independence
and natives didn't consider ottoman invaders
still the land owners are the who has the right of it,,,, invading a land doesn't give a right
you say who ever invade a land has the right of it, then lets invade
Britain are just like hitler , the difference that Britain massacres was outside Europe, thats the only difference ,
but as you consider non westerns are less human , you glorify Britain
i just wanted to show you that any one support israel does support violence , and you slipped it by yourself
if i invaded you home i have the right to ride your mom,,, i disagree to this torn concept
i know you will disagree, not cause you are not convinced , you just wanna win the discussion
1. Look up Lawrence of Arabia.
2. Any country in control of any territory may do as it pleases with it even if it's wrong. For example Hitler invading Poland. He could have turned the entire country into a giant amusement park for Germans and made the Poles work as slaves there. Would it have been right? No of course not but when someone controls a territory they can do with it as they please.
3. Anyone who supports Hamas by definition supports bus bombings, human shields and killing protesters.
cool then you agree that Britain had the ability to give the land to israel , and you agree that its wrong,, just like the example you gave
its mean when you blame a dying victim even if he made a mistake
why are westerns so fond of occupying our land? it always happening, all the time
all the time, why are you people are terrorist by nature
No I disagree with you on that.
The Jews wanted a country so they petitioned the British government. The British first offered Uganda if I'm not mistaken but the land was inhospitable for mass migration.
Jews had a longing to return to their ancestral home so they could build a place where they could be safe.
After the Holocaust, the British showed sympathy.
The whole idea behind Israel is to never again allow for Jews to be at the mercy of others.
The Palestinians remind me of today's Pegida who call against the "Islamization of Europe". Except instead of rallies and racist cries they use guns and bombs.
Tell me is blowing up a bus full of innocent civilians ok?
Is holding hostages in a hospital while shooting rockets ok?
What about killing protesters?
I'm a Ukrainian, my country has been under Russian occupation for about 200 years. Only in 1991 did it become free. Yet when Ukrainian resistance fighters killed civilians they weren't heroes. They were monsters.
you agreed when it was about Poland,, but you disagreed when it was about arabs
of course cause we are less human
you are still justifying it by holocaust, let me tell you that holocaust is a tradition westerns do to arab but without media lol
islamization a country by debating and reason and killing all Palestinian is another
and killing any victims is wrong,,,
but isn't it unfair and mean when you portrait who kill tens of innocents as terror and glorify who kills millions of innocents?
i am sure you will justify killing millions as long as they are not on your side
Well Poland was an example that you didn't understand. If the British made an amusement park out of Palestine and made Palestinians slaves then yes it would be wrong but just as in the Polish example, who ever is in control can do as they please.
Poland is actually a good example since it was partitioned 4 times. Did the countries that split it have the right? Of course they controlled the land.
The difference between Poland and Palestine is this:
Poland had a homogeneous population while Palestine had a clear distinction between Jews and Arabs.
If there were a lot of Gypsies living in a certain part of Poland than they could separate and form their own country.
It's called the right to self determination.
That's what happened in Kosovo, unless you think it should still be a part of Serbia.
no no no,,, i dunno why are you thinking that arabs and jews are different things
there was arab jews living among their other arabs in palstine before israel, and they was suffering from england just like arabs
then some strangers came and made israel,
can i come by force to your land and bring my friends then kick you out?
you contradict with yourself ,, you are making me laugh loool, you are so funny
Arabs and Jews are different people.
Jews are the descendants of the ancient Hebrews.
Arabs are people from Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon.
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