I don't understand mgtow is so awesome. I was blessed the day I discovered mgtow. "You mean women were the source of my pain?" It was like I went through a 12 step program and kicked my dependence on woman. I never wish to return to that hell hole again. 99 problems and... well you know the rest.
MGTOW is the male version of feminism, masculinisme if you wish.
Feminist vicious politicises are to be fought like any other ideology, by vote in elections and arguing against the stupidity. Feminism is just another bad ideology.
The piratical solution, at the individual level is this, do be friends with or date feminist, just like any other political group you don't like. It's rather simple really.
MGTOW are what happens when the hatred of men and boys (misandry) becomes too obvious. This hatred of men is now glaringly obvious - hence MGTOW. Simple. Rather than forming political alliances and power to destroy women the way women have done to men, MGTOW simply chose to not engage in situations (marriage, children, false accusations) that leave them open to destruction by women and their white knights in government.
What's more, there's now a major movement by feminists to move 'Affirmative Consent' from the college kangaroo courts to the criminal courts - with almost no objection from the so called non-feminists. If successful, men will lose their rights to presumption of innocence and due process via an accusation alone - resulting in the mass imprisonment of innocent men following the wrath of a woman rejected.
Research the Ghomeshi trial in Canada. It's the perfect example of what feminists hope to enact across the Western world - with the full support of those like Trudeau.
Yes, non of these issues are effectively fought by not marrying or having children. You don't fight racism with racism , in the same way you don't fight sexism with sexism.
When men looses right, you fight for those civil rights just like women do and any body else, human rights are not fixed we have to keep fighting to preserve them.
"MGTOW is the male version of feminism, masculinisme if you wish."
appeal to balance "Both suck equally as much despite the fact that one is simply a reaction to another"
"Feminist vicious politicises are to be fought like any other ideology, by vote in elections and arguing against the stupidity. Feminism is just another bad ideology." I agree on this but let me ask you a couple of questions: Why do you think being antifeminist is getting so popular now? In the early and late 90s if you were a antifeminist you were hated by the media and society (you still are but not at the same level) and you were deemed a misogynist, so why is being antifeminist so acceptable now when just 10 years ago it would've meant social suicide. I have one question for you: women against feminism. It wasn't until women started being anti feminist that anti feminism became such a acceptable idea. Just like how the Mens Right Movement didn't start getting recognition until women started doing it.
And now, I have a second question: Why are women now suddenly rising against feminism? Because MGTOW and feminism is now about to hurt them.
Because of feminism, women are going to have to start signing up for selective service like men in order to have basic rights, this harms women.
Because of feminism's heavy laws, MGTOW has formed and now they're convincing men not to pursue relationships. As much as society loves to deny it, women love sex as much as men, women want a partner who is willing to love and support them. So with MGTOW now convincing men that marriage is a bad deal, it takes away the number of available bachelors from the pool. This hurt womens, so thus, women against feminism came along.
@Mrwoo99 well MGTOW technically has existed just not in name. Ever heard of hermits and monks? They decided to go their own way (or God's way) and not get married.
Yes it does... SO DOES FEMINISM! You mentioned that and thank you. They are two sides of the same coin. Only feminism is WAY more well funded and politically connected. More women may be waking up to it, but we still have a long way to go.
mtow is the answer. women need to change since they changed first. mgtow is simply a reaction to the matriarchy that we live in.
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I don't believe most men going there own way actually hate women but I think they hate what women have done to them such has divorce, rejection, cheating and being accused of rape. I am not a MGTOW but in a way I sympthasize with some of there points. However, I also know a lot good faithful women who would never use the court of law against their children's father or do anything like cheat or divorce them and take every last dollar that the man holds.
3 year old boys: girls are stupid and I don't want to play with them anymore! The same boys 30 years later: MGTOW!
I can't see a difference. Except maybe that you can still assume that the 3 year olds will grow some sense eventually... unlike the grown up men, unfortunately.
👏👏hats off to you man!.. You picked the new Generation of war profiteering Men Vs Women make them butt hurt a happy couple ends up fighting women tries to rob the last penny from men and the divorce lawyers makes a fortune!..
you can do all the reasoning or blaming you want, but the current social contract between men and women in the west is one sided and unattractive to men. that is the reason for MGTOW.
I am not MGTOW to traditional women raised in Asia or Mexico. Most men in the west do not have the resources to reach these women however and once these women are influenced by the culture in the west for some time they become useless to men also.
@AlwaysBelieving Yes, that is very true, although i love 747's from ALL airlines. Pretty much, i am biased towards Boeing. As for Airbus, I love the A300/A310 as well as the A330/A340. True fact: The A310, the A330, and the A340 were all developed from the Airbus A300.
@Speedbird_747 can you follow me? I can't seem to message you.
I wouldn't say I'm partial to any one manufacturer as I think each has models I like.
You saying that, reminded me as I saw a LH 747-400 at DEN as the plane I was on was pulling in. truly magestic. Too bad more and more of the 4-holders are going away. 😢👎🏽. I would have LOVED to be on a 707.
@AlwaysBelieving I ghhave followed. as for the 707, So would I. Actually, Boeing pioneered the reuse of air-frame components, starting with the Boeing 367-80 and KC-135, resulting in the birth of the Boeing 707, 727, and 737 with the same "section 41", aka the nose/cockpit section. They later used the air-frame of the Boeing 727 to create the Boeing 757, albeit a re-designed nose and turned it into a narrow aisle twinjet. Airbus did the same with their A300, albeit, stretched the air-frame and added redesigned wings and multiple engines for the A330/A340
Oh look another soy boy crying about Mgtow. What's the point of making these posts? You ain't gonna stop Mgtow so why even try? Men have already gone their own way, do you actually think you are gonna convince them back to the dating pool again? Your opinion is irrelevant. Mgtow is always the answer. Good luck anyways lol.
While it's true that MGTOW is self-defeating you're still promoting a conspiracy theory. You're blaming problems in society at large on a mysterious "they" whose possible motives you haven't even addressed. Which is a total cop out. The media reflects society, so the media isn't the problem. Society is the problem.
Your conspiracy theory is lacking two things: focus and motive. You talk vaguely about evil governments, feminists and "powers that be". None of whom benefit from the MGTOW movement.
I agree that MGTOW is a mistake, but not for the reasons you give.
MGTOW is wrong because they run away from the problem. Men's Rights Activists fight the problem. Join the team and beat those man-haters and the man-hating society. Fight for #MensRights#redpill#mentoo#himtoo
Well me and my mates are wanting to travel and meet women from abroad who are more traditional and feminine. I can't stand these women over here they're like mad Islamics in middle east but with feminism instead. I don't want to build a family and share my resources with women like that. a lot of men are pulling away because feminism is becoming indoctrinated in to society like Islam is in middle east.
Only because you now see how detrimental it might be to YOU - not because you care about men and boys. Your interest is self-interest. Men walking away scares the crap out of you.
@PatriarchalOppressor It's far more detrimental to men, in my opinion. It's pretty much a hate movement. Feminism has made it okay for women to regret sex after it's happened and call it rape (so now the guy is a rapist). Feminism has allowed women to empty a man's bank account when they split up because "she needs to maintain the lifestyle she has become accustomed to". It's just not a good thing. The only good things it did for women is get us the right to vote, the right make a choice about our education and our careers, and to be paid equal wages (the wage gap is total bullshit). Open your eyes.
Crazy? Moi? :-) A left-handed artistic-creative personality and an IQ in the top 2 per cent, with PTSD, a major depressive disorder, social phobia and can tick most of the boxes for high-functioning Asperger's syndrome. . . but crazy. . . no. - lol
@cth96190 Nice! Im saying those who speak their mind without thinking things through. And lol @ the one girl who thought she was going to make a difference by disliking this comment
@OrdinaryGentleman - there is no organization called MGTOW. MGTOW is merely a principle by which men choose to deal with the reality of what feminism has done to the world. MGTOW, do now advocate for legislation and they certainly don't gather to protest shit. Instead we merely accept the fact that cohabitation and/or marrying a woman has absolutely no benefit for a man.
@foghornleghorn78 I beg to differ, it may be considered a community but it holds all the makings of an organization. www.mgtow.com/.../ but i could honestly care less because mgtow holds no merit to me. If thats what it is, great, if thats what it isn't, also great.
Nope, a loosely based group of guys who share ideas on the internet do not make up an organization. There is no purpose to go about changing laws or changing anything. In fact MGTOW merely embrace the fact that not participating in societies expectations is liberating. How many MGTOW's are out there protesting Slut Walks and other feminist gatherings? On the flip side look at the number of feminists who show up to protest a discussion on mens issue on any college campus. For MGTOW to be the equivalent of women you first have to get people who identify as MGTOW to actually give a fuck.
Yeah, there's a lot of this "we need to organize" nonsense popping up in the MGTOW "community." It's to be expected because there will always be people who are so insecure in their own beliefs that they have to gather other like minded people into a group to feel powerful. It is a concept antithetical to the very concept of MGTOW, and antithetical to most men who ascribe to the MGTOW philosophy. Ideally a MGTOW should seek his own power, not collective power. Any attempts to organize MGTOW will most likely fail.
@foghornleghorn78, no kidding... MGTOW won't even organize a meetup let alone any kind of group. There was one that JohnTheOther did in Canada, and another that took place in London, but only a few guys went. Other that that, nothing.
woke. and mgtow. and all. are millal bullshit problems. i was born 1989. it was peacfull back in the 90s. no woke, no nothing. my life been liveing hell. as time went on.
Interesting article. I agree with everything you said here. I am kinda down that feminism and all that crap is trying to make us normal people miserable but I choose to fight against it. I consider myself a good person and I'll help in any way I can.
I believe in equal custody rights and freedom of speech but don't understand why that would make me hate women. I love women, I just don't care if they say stupid things that someone else told them. Be a wolf not a sheep.
I agree all the way. Die hard Feminist just like need to go gay already. I'm a feminist but not die hard. I like sex and when men spoil u and provide for u. Its sexy. I like when guys hit on me and flirt with me without touching me of Course lol
You are the exact type of woman MGTOWs avoid saying you want to be spoiled and provided for. Get in line behind the other couple billion women just like you
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I don't understand mgtow is so awesome. I was blessed the day I discovered mgtow. "You mean women were the source of my pain?" It was like I went through a 12 step program and kicked my dependence on woman. I never wish to return to that hell hole again. 99 problems and... well you know the rest.
MGTOW is the male version of feminism, masculinisme if you wish.
Feminist vicious politicises are to be fought like any other ideology, by vote in elections and arguing against the stupidity. Feminism is just another bad ideology.
The piratical solution, at the individual level is this, do be friends with or date feminist, just like any other political group you don't like. It's rather simple really.
If it weren't for feminism MGTOW wouldn't of existed so...
MGTOW are what happens when the hatred of men and boys (misandry) becomes too obvious. This hatred of men is now glaringly obvious - hence MGTOW. Simple. Rather than forming political alliances and power to destroy women the way women have done to men, MGTOW simply chose to not engage in situations (marriage, children, false accusations) that leave them open to destruction by women and their white knights in government.
What's more, there's now a major movement by feminists to move 'Affirmative Consent' from the college kangaroo courts to the criminal courts - with almost no objection from the so called non-feminists. If successful, men will lose their rights to presumption of innocence and due process via an accusation alone - resulting in the mass imprisonment of innocent men following the wrath of a woman rejected.
Research the Ghomeshi trial in Canada. It's the perfect example of what feminists hope to enact across the Western world - with the full support of those like Trudeau.
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Yes, non of these issues are effectively fought by not marrying or having children.
You don't fight racism with racism , in the same way you don't fight sexism with sexism.
When men looses right, you fight for those civil rights just like women do and any body else, human rights are not fixed we have to keep fighting to preserve them.
@PatriarchalOppressor Proof? Plenty of MGTOW don't hate women. We are just indifferent.
"MGTOW is the male version of feminism, masculinisme if you wish."
appeal to balance "Both suck equally as much despite the fact that one is simply a reaction to another"
"Feminist vicious politicises are to be fought like any other ideology, by vote in elections and arguing against the stupidity. Feminism is just another bad ideology."
I agree on this but let me ask you a couple of questions: Why do you think being antifeminist is getting so popular now? In the early and late 90s if you were a antifeminist you were hated by the media and society (you still are but not at the same level) and you were deemed a misogynist, so why is being antifeminist so acceptable now when just 10 years ago it would've meant social suicide. I have one question for you: women against feminism. It wasn't until women started being anti feminist that anti feminism became such a acceptable idea. Just like how the Mens Right Movement didn't start getting recognition until women started doing it.
And now, I have a second question: Why are women now suddenly rising against feminism? Because MGTOW and feminism is now about to hurt them.
Because of feminism, women are going to have to start signing up for selective service like men in order to have basic rights, this harms women.
Because of feminism's heavy laws, MGTOW has formed and now they're convincing men not to pursue relationships. As much as society loves to deny it, women love sex as much as men, women want a partner who is willing to love and support them. So with MGTOW now convincing men that marriage is a bad deal, it takes away the number of available bachelors from the pool. This hurt womens, so thus, women against feminism came along.
@Mgtow4Life lol feminists and women fear MGTOW so much they have to shame us in to relationships or commitment like we are wrose than a whore.
... MGTOW eliminates female hypergamy as well
@Mrwoo99 Have you seen all those women complaining about men not marrying? It's hilarious.
@Mgtow4Life why maintain and buy a cow when you can go to the shop and get the milk.
not true at all. mgtow doesn't try to get laws passed. the mra would be the equal version of feminism.
@Mrwoo99 well MGTOW technically has existed just not in name. Ever heard of hermits and monks? They decided to go their own way (or God's way) and not get married.
Yes it does... SO DOES FEMINISM! You mentioned that and thank you. They are two sides of the same coin. Only feminism is WAY more well funded and politically connected. More women may be waking up to it, but we still have a long way to go.
mtow is the answer. women need to change since they changed first. mgtow is simply a reaction to the matriarchy that we live in.
I don't believe most men going there own way actually hate women but I think they hate what women have done to them such has divorce, rejection, cheating and being accused of rape. I am not a MGTOW but in a way I sympthasize with some of there points. However, I also know a lot good faithful women who would never use the court of law against their children's father or do anything like cheat or divorce them and take every last dollar that the man holds.
3 year old boys: girls are stupid and I don't want to play with them anymore!
The same boys 30 years later: MGTOW!
I can't see a difference. Except maybe that you can still assume that the 3 year olds will grow some sense eventually... unlike the grown up men, unfortunately.
Have fun with the divorce 👋
@Albinoninja66 not married and not planning on getting married any time soon, thankyouverymuch
👏👏hats off to you man!.. You picked the new Generation of war profiteering Men Vs Women make them butt hurt a happy couple ends up fighting women tries to rob the last penny from men and the divorce lawyers makes a fortune!..
you can do all the reasoning or blaming you want, but the current social contract between men and women in the west is one sided and unattractive to men. that is the reason for MGTOW.
I am not MGTOW to traditional women raised in Asia or Mexico. Most men in the west do not have the resources to reach these women however and once these women are influenced by the culture in the west for some time they become useless to men also.
The only MGTOW I follow is Maximum Gross Take-Off Weight. Man am I an airplane geek. ✈️🤓🛫
Boeing or Airbus?
@Speedbird_747 for your screen name I take it you love the queen of the sky from British Airways.
As for me, I saw my first A380 in the flesh today.
@AlwaysBelieving Yes, that is very true, although i love 747's from ALL airlines. Pretty much, i am biased towards Boeing. As for Airbus, I love the A300/A310 as well as the A330/A340. True fact: The A310, the A330, and the A340 were all developed from the Airbus A300.
@Speedbird_747 can you follow me? I can't seem to message you.
I wouldn't say I'm partial to any one manufacturer as I think each has models I like.
You saying that, reminded me as I saw a LH 747-400 at DEN as the plane I was on was pulling in. truly magestic. Too bad more and more of the 4-holders are going away. 😢👎🏽. I would have LOVED to be on a 707.
@AlwaysBelieving I ghhave followed. as for the 707, So would I. Actually, Boeing pioneered the reuse of air-frame components, starting with the Boeing 367-80 and KC-135, resulting in the birth of the Boeing 707, 727, and 737 with the same "section 41", aka the nose/cockpit section. They later used the air-frame of the Boeing 727 to create the Boeing 757, albeit a re-designed nose and turned it into a narrow aisle twinjet. Airbus did the same with their A300, albeit, stretched the air-frame and added redesigned wings and multiple engines for the A330/A340
Oh look another soy boy crying about Mgtow. What's the point of making these posts? You ain't gonna stop Mgtow so why even try? Men have already gone their own way, do you actually think you are gonna convince them back to the dating pool again? Your opinion is irrelevant. Mgtow is always the answer. Good luck anyways lol.
While it's true that MGTOW is self-defeating you're still promoting a conspiracy theory. You're blaming problems in society at large on a mysterious "they" whose possible motives you haven't even addressed. Which is a total cop out. The media reflects society, so the media isn't the problem. Society is the problem.
Your conspiracy theory is lacking two things: focus and motive. You talk vaguely about evil governments, feminists and "powers that be". None of whom benefit from the MGTOW movement.
I agree that MGTOW is a mistake, but not for the reasons you give.
MGTOW is wrong because they run away from the problem. Men's Rights Activists fight the problem. Join the team and beat those man-haters and the man-hating society. Fight for #MensRights #redpill #mentoo #himtoo
Feminism is for fat, ugly land whales with daddy issues
Women rejecting feminism? I don't see it. Not in the US anyway.
Trust me, women my age are waking up to the realities of modern feminism and how detrimental it is.
@musicbrain5 I damn hope so.
Well me and my mates are wanting to travel and meet women from abroad who are more traditional and feminine. I can't stand these women over here they're like mad Islamics in middle east but with feminism instead. I don't want to build a family and share my resources with women like that. a lot of men are pulling away because feminism is becoming indoctrinated in to society like Islam is in middle east.
@musicbrain5 am just glad the older generation is educating us young men about how toxic feminism is.
@musicbrain5
Only because you now see how detrimental it might be to YOU - not because you care about men and boys. Your interest is self-interest. Men walking away scares the crap out of you.
@PatriarchalOppressor It's far more detrimental to men, in my opinion. It's pretty much a hate movement. Feminism has made it okay for women to regret sex after it's happened and call it rape (so now the guy is a rapist). Feminism has allowed women to empty a man's bank account when they split up because "she needs to maintain the lifestyle she has become accustomed to". It's just not a good thing. The only good things it did for women is get us the right to vote, the right make a choice about our education and our careers, and to be paid equal wages (the wage gap is total bullshit). Open your eyes.
Mgtow is not a bad thing, the problem is, like feminism the crazies are the face of the organization.
Crazy?
Moi? :-)
A left-handed artistic-creative personality and an IQ in the top 2 per cent, with PTSD, a major depressive disorder, social phobia and can tick most of the boxes for high-functioning Asperger's syndrome. . . but crazy. . . no. - lol
@cth96190 Nice! Im saying those who speak their mind without thinking things through.
And lol @ the one girl who thought she was going to make a difference by disliking this comment
@OrdinaryGentleman - there is no organization called MGTOW. MGTOW is merely a principle by which men choose to deal with the reality of what feminism has done to the world. MGTOW, do now advocate for legislation and they certainly don't gather to protest shit. Instead we merely accept the fact that cohabitation and/or marrying a woman has absolutely no benefit for a man.
@foghornleghorn78 I beg to differ, it may be considered a community but it holds all the makings of an organization.
www.mgtow.com/.../
but i could honestly care less because mgtow holds no merit to me. If thats what it is, great, if thats what it isn't, also great.
Nope, a loosely based group of guys who share ideas on the internet do not make up an organization. There is no purpose to go about changing laws or changing anything. In fact MGTOW merely embrace the fact that not participating in societies expectations is liberating. How many MGTOW's are out there protesting Slut Walks and other feminist gatherings? On the flip side look at the number of feminists who show up to protest a discussion on mens issue on any college campus. For MGTOW to be the equivalent of women you first have to get people who identify as MGTOW to actually give a fuck.
Yeah, there's a lot of this "we need to organize" nonsense popping up in the MGTOW "community." It's to be expected because there will always be people who are so insecure in their own beliefs that they have to gather other like minded people into a group to feel powerful. It is a concept antithetical to the very concept of MGTOW, and antithetical to most men who ascribe to the MGTOW philosophy. Ideally a MGTOW should seek his own power, not collective power. Any attempts to organize MGTOW will most likely fail.
@foghornleghorn78, no kidding... MGTOW won't even organize a meetup let alone any kind of group. There was one that JohnTheOther did in Canada, and another that took place in London, but only a few guys went. Other that that, nothing.
Go circle jerk it somewhere else.
woke. and mgtow. and all. are millal bullshit problems.
i was born 1989.
it was peacfull back in the 90s. no woke, no nothing.
my life been liveing hell.
as time went on.
Interesting article. I agree with everything you said here. I am kinda down that feminism and all that crap is trying to make us normal people miserable but I choose to fight against it. I consider myself a good person and I'll help in any way I can.
I believe in equal custody rights and freedom of speech but don't understand why that would make me hate women. I love women, I just don't care if they say stupid things that someone else told them. Be a wolf not a sheep.
I agree all the way. Die hard Feminist just like need to go gay already. I'm a feminist but not die hard. I like sex and when men spoil u and provide for u. Its sexy. I like when guys hit on me and flirt with me without touching me of Course lol
You are the exact type of woman MGTOWs avoid saying you want to be spoiled and provided for. Get in line behind the other couple billion women just like you
The fact that you want to be spoiled and provided is one of a million reasons they go MGTOW. MGTOW men hate chivalry