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women dont offer you happiness. you are just a mangina.
MGTOW is a 'movement' for the butthurt.
Don't kid yourself, every man in the western world has been hurt at one time or another. The difference is that men are told to never feel and shamed for even determining if they want to pursue their dreams over a relationship.
Some guys are hurt and just can't get over it.
True, just as there are guys who keep getting destroyed by women and cannot realize why?
@foghornleghorn78 Guys who are destroyed by women made bad choices and don''t learn from it.
@foghornleghorn78 These guys usually hit on the bitch with the biggest boobs. When they get the boobs they get the bitch too. Life is hard LOL
@foghornleghorn78 every man? Sounds exagerated; but of course, men choosing GFs purely on boobsize can get girls who are spoiled by the high USA demand for big mammaries. Their choice.
Every group (M/F) of all ages has been hurt in some way. MGTOW see only one culprit
MGTOW is the weaklings' path. That is all that needs to be known.
It's all first wave until the world goes back to men oppressing women.
This cycle has to stop. I'm against MGTOW and Feminism.
Both feminism and MGTOW are equally bad, but to me, MGTOW is worse.
Feminism is definetly worse. Mgtow dont destroy lives, they dont protest, they dont endorce violence and limiting free speech. Feminists ruin the lives of both men and women, and bully people if they dont join them.
MGTOW live their own lifes and theyre free to do so. They dont care about others.
I am not MGTOW myself as I dont think fucking sex dolls and jerking off every day is a great solution. I would rather use the knowledge I have about women to navigate the sexual marketplace in a safe and less risky way.
I don't really know what it means. I have a healthy dose of misogyny, but I don't know what MGTOW means. What is it? Do they stop talking to women completely? Even the nice ones?
Look up mgtow sandman on youtube. He explain better than me.
@Mrwoo99 seems kind of stupid
There are nice ones?
@Mrwoo99 Sandman is probably not the best resource. I'd recommend looking up "Bar Bar" (aka Barbarosssa) or "Turd Flinging Monkey"; especially their earliest videos. If you prefer a more philosophical argument, then look up "Groundwork for the Metaphysics of MGTOW."
@VeritechAce why what's wrong with sandman?
@Mrwoo99 I don't remember. I'm looking more for the philosophy behind it rather than individuals.
no they dont drop women all together you just dont obligate yourself to them. dont allow them to leverage the law against you.
@dudeman that just sounds like common sense. I wonder why the bad rap.
@Mrwoo99 Nothing wrong with Sandman. I just find he doesn't really go too much in depth on subjects.
it gets a bad rap because when men become mgtow they are usually bitter to start. men are raised to think women are everything right with the world and when men find out that women are just as flawed as men if not more so then they become bitter. most men want to find a good girl to marry and have babies with and all that but then when you are twenty and you realize most girls have been fucking since they were 18 and done most things under the sun its a bit of a shock. it was to me. i guess men become bitter when they realize that they will never actually be able to love what women actually are rather then what we thought they were.
@dudeman but don't men fuck at that age too? Otherwise, who are the girls fucking? Not themselves.
Also, I think it's more about not being pigeon holed into a role of financially supporting a lazy woman.
at that age its 20% of men fucking 80% of the women. a lot of those 80% realize that women are not actually attracted to them they just want the man to be responsible for them later in life by paying for children and having the responsibility that comes with marriage. so they realize that women dont actually love them they more or less want to use them as utilities. me i was one of the 20% fucking all the women and their nature disgusted me.
@dudeman in your second sentence when you mentioned 80%, were you talking about the 80% of guys who didn't get laid? Or did you mean the 80% of the girls? Did the girls act differently towards the 20% of guys?
What did you see about girls nature that disgusted you? Please be specific.
well yeah thats how it works 20% ofthe men are fucking 80% of the women while only 20% of the women are not getting sex compared to 80% of men
i just saw how women are. they are not lovable creatures for the most part. they are easily swayed. i question their loyalty as I've been with many married women and women with long term bfs. i dislike their affinity for in group preference. just pretty much everything about women other than their their bodies and eggs i dislike. they are good on the surface when you dont really know them but if you dig deep enough i dont like what i find. people are in you life for two reasons they either love you or they want something from you. i find women for the most part simply want something from you.
@dudeman why did the women cheat with you? What was good about you? Why did they like you?
Is their disloyalty the only thing you didn't like about them?
they cheated with me because i made them horny. really simple as that. I also dont like how they have been effected with feminist thinking.
@dudeman sorry for so many questions, but...
How did you make them horny? How old were you when this was going on?
how did i make them horny I don't know many ways. dancing i used to salsa dance a lot. id invite women over i met from school cook them dinner serve them wine stuff like that. one girl i got laid because i threw a rock at the ground and put the pieces back together and she thought i was all artistic and sensitive and shit. when this was going on i was in my early to mid twenties. however even a few months ago the girl i was fucking for a year was going on dates with other men. she would fuck me and get ready for a date go out with another dude then come back to my place. eventually got in a relationship with a guy but i was still fucking her for months while making him wait. wtf kind of shit is that. maybe its the girls i dating or maybe its just most women. I've dated all types of women though. i dont find too much difference between any of them.
@dudeman are you Hispanic? Maybe that is why. Are you tall and intelligent and they knew you wouldn't mess their life up by telling everyone.
well im not tall im only 5'10. Im a chemist at the time i was just in school though. im mostly native American with a bit of irish and black. also they didn't tell me they were married or had bfs except for the recent women. why do you think being hispanic would get you laid a lot?
@dudeman just ethnic in general. You said salsa dancing, that's why. There must be something about you. Best I can do is buy a Lamborghini and hope that attracts them. Maybe they would think I'm smart enough to fuck. I wouldn't want to get involved monogamously when I know all the stuff you mention goes on. Plus, I use Viagra, so I know I can fuck them well.
after living how i did i just can't trust women. even the good girls will tell you stories about blowing some random dudes a few times. I don't know why women are so honest with me i think its because they assume that im non judgmental when it comes to sex. i think its because they can tell i get girls. no idea how they know but it seems to be the way things are. even when im hung over buying another bottle of rum at 6 am at the grocery story with a dirty shirt and gym shorts the cashiers still hit on me.
@dudeman who are these "random dudes?" I mean, how random could they really be? Complete stranger on the bus? There must have been SOME interaction beforehand. How did they meet these random dudes usually?
parties or while traveling. thats another thing if a women tells you she's likes to travel just dont even entertain a long term relationship with her, she's likely a ho.
@dudeman
@dudeman yea I know. My dad's wife cheats on him all the time, just like his last one. Yet she still gets millions of dollars.
I just wish I could be one of those random guys they blow. Life would be a lot better.
I'm seriously hoping my Lamborghini attracts them.
hahahaha if you guys are rish why marry. get hookers.
@dudeman I'm not rich. I might be soon. Called hookers over 40 times. I've been with hookers that look like Victoria Secret models. It's not fulfilling.
You've been with whores that look like victories secret models and you don't feel fulfilled? I have a regular one and life feels great as ever, wish it was a little bit cheaper though... stop been a pussy.
@Mrwoo99 to have to pay for sex is not fulfilling
Why do you hate feminist? It makes no sense?
The hidden agenda of feminism is to destroy the family and drive a wedge between men and women, which is exactly what feminism has done. They tell women that feminism just means equality, but the leaders of feminism and the government are using it to divide men and women and destroy the family unit.
huh? how?
what do u mean how?
Hating feminism makes a lot of sense, if seeing how feminism is practised by the feminist organisations and activation groups.
You are probably thinking of the text book definition of feminism, that of couse will make no sense.
Feminism is supremacy and must be abolished
@Mrwoo99 @smølf I think you guys need to take a history class. Like asap. Women didn't have much privilege men mostly ruled everything. The reason they start women right petiton was to vote and own land and work. Also, there was a time women were seen as property which wasn't right. Now in days women have more rights which is good. So, now there's a sterotype of women as seen as bad guys. Which can be true for SOME WOMEN! but just like their are irresposnible guys they are horrible women. Not everyone is the way your club portyales that sterotype a group just cuz of a few people. If you don't want anything to do with women (: great! Your choice! Just like I don't want a guy in my life ever. My choice.
The hidden agenda of feminism is to destroy the famil and convince women that they are better off without men. That's why the feminist movement was funded b very rich world leaders. Many of the leading feminsts were anti-marriage, anti-motherhood, and anti-fatherhood. They claimed it was about equality, but the real agenda was to divide men and women and destory realtionships, which is exactly what feminism has done. There are many young women who are sweet and caring and have no problem with men, but after they get indocrtinated with feminism they end up hating men and choosing to be single. Feminism is a cancer to relationships and is not about equality.
Use Google. Lookup anything by ERIN PIZZEY. She set up the world's first refuge for battered women in 1971.
She wrote a great article called "Why I loathe feminism... and believe it will ultimately destroy the family".
https://oi64.tinypic.com/2ij1afd.jpg
it is in fact you how really need a history lesson, men got the vote because of the draft, what do women have to do to get the vote? Nothing! Men got the vote 1 year ahead of women, first wave feminist fire bombed (terrorism) to get their way back in the early 1900's.
@MagiAlphaOne
she was also the first who wanted to set up a shelter for men, but feminism could not have that and Erin pizzey went through some horrible stuff back then, which is why she ran to the Us.
Then preacher Pat Robertson got really scared and started to get off his rocker:
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@Love_Is_Eternal Don't forget the witchcraft.
@Lasten1 "men got the vote because of the draft, " was just a bad excuse to deny vote to women. American citizens get the vote because they're adult American citizens, not because of the draft or the taxes.
because feminism is narcissism, nothing fancier. It's the antithesis of gender equality. It's all about entitlement and special rights for women. That's why it never mentions the largest gender disparities-the ones against men, like child support - an 80% disparity. Nope, let's talk about "manspreading" instead because testicles shouldn't get any space lol. Today's feminism is a disgusting joke.
@feminismisnarcissism what special rights? Yo it is so wrong to have right like a man...
Women (mothers) have more rights in family courts as they have more rights over children. Women also get less time in prison for commiting the same crime as a man. Women victims of domestic violence get much more support than men victims. Women also have the right to not take responsibility for their children, they can be given away, whereas men can be forced to pay child support. The list is endless.
like a 7 to 1 advantage in custody battles
like paying only 10% of overall child support
like getting away with crimes, like child molestation etc. with a slap on the wrist
like being ALLOWED to be a victim, like ALWAYS being the victim.
like being catered to by the justice system at the expense of men and children.
like not having your genitals mutilated in the USA or Europe.
Shall I continue or is the sound of your entitlement too long to hear me?
feminism is not equal rights-it's SUPERIOR RIGHTS. As I just demonstrated. It also strives to be ABOVE SCRUTINY-thus your ad hom and fallacious comment. To strive to have that special status-to be above being questioned, that's TYRANNY, nothing fancier.
#feminismisnarcissism
that's to opinion owner ^
@jacquesvol
CITIZENSHIP
The U. S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) makes registration with Selective Service a condition for U. S. citizenship if the man first arrived in the U. S. before his 26th birthday.
Failing to register or comply with the Military Selective Service Act is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 or a prison term of up to five years, or a combination of both.
a little somthing from www-sss-gov
also it seems that in 40 states you can have a drivers licence unless you have registered:
The most current legislations linked to Selective Service registration are driver’s license legislation within the states, territories, and the District of Columbia. To date, 40 states, 4 territories, and the District of Columbia have enacted driver’s license laws that support registration
Sine im not lvl 2 i can't put in links so you just have to google them your self.
@Love_Is_Eternal
The agenda of feminism is hidden, you write, but you know it nevertheless?
That looks like a strawman fallacy.
@jacquesvol not a bit. What he means is that feminism says one thing, does another. Thus by "Hidden" he doesn't mean "invisible", but rather "deceptive". And rightly fuckin so-it says "gender equality" but behaves with "gender SUPERIORITY". It is the antithesis of its claim today. And I don't think you understand what a strawman fallacy is.
that's not what MGTOW means... it means rejecting the feminist agenda, it means rejecting the female superiority culture. IT DOES mean we do things our own way-which means we expect actual equality... we don't assume men pay for the check, we don't assume women call the shots, we don't play puppydog, we don't submit... We do it our way... and in my opinion women find this much more attractive-I've never had so many women interested in me since I went MGTOW. MGTOW to me means MUTUAL RESPECT, or GTFO
@feminismisnarcissism this guy's a pushover white knight who doesn't want to see the reason MGTOW became radical. I cannot fathom how I was blindly led by this ideology so much that it became necessary for me to realize how full of crap is modern society today.
@regularjack MGTOW is the answer because it means men are standing up against this BS
Feminism was meant to balance and distribute human rights equally. It was called Feminism because men had more power, and women had to grow to catch up. Has it gone over the edge today? I won't get into that discussion. But there are always those who misuse good concepts and tools and make them useless, in everything, science, religion, law, technology, etc.
Personally I feel like feminism has cooled down greatly in the new generations. It is not as aggressive now. It has served it's purpose and people seem to have accepted gender equality more.
Just like feminism.
Nothing like Feminsism. MGTOW are not creating laws of any kind. They are merely advocating that men withdraw resources from society. Also MGTOW are not organized in any form or fashion like the feminists. You don't see MGTOW protesting anything because men who are truly MGTOW flat out don't care. They are going their own way and are too busy enjoying their lives to be bothered by any of this.
MGTOW is the only sane response to an increasingly insane world.
I love this :)
of course you do, its praising women
@regularjack Where is it praising women? Did you even bother to read the article? lmao
Marriage is bad deal for men.
no it thrives on reality lol
What is MGTOW?
To answer your question, see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVXdxaaRiAU
@cth96190 wow I am sorry many feel this way.
@cth96190 actually, this is a introduction video, along with Sandman's "Essentials." So I take back what I said earlier about Sandman not being a good resource for an introduction.
Well it's the truth it affects all us men even you. At least be aware.