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Why Do A Lot of Foreigners Seem To Hate American Patriotism? (Page 2)
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I think it is because foreigners get the impression that us Americans think we are better than the rest of the world. . . They are right. USA! USA! USA!
Take that jealous people of the world that don't have clean water to drink, medicine, a big screen TV, air conditioning, a car, clean food with many varieties. Us loud fat Americans are just having a good old time over here! And if you don't like it, well watch out, because we have millions of guns and are quick to anger too. Yeah! FTW!
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Because Americans don't know about the crimes that their country is doing to other countries. America is the most evil country in the world for years now, but the people there don't know anything because the country did a good job distracting them by entertainment. I might sound very hateful, but that's the truth why people like me and a lot others hate that.
I'm by no means going to go in and say we've done nothing. Every country has done something horrible and bad to another, but when you list us as "the most evil country in the world," I'd have to respectfully disagree. What list of crimes have you ranking us so?
Every Arabian country is suffering in something because of America, especially Education. In my country for example, we can't print new books for schools until America agrees with the content. America steals terrorizes Iraq and steal their oil and call it defending the country. America did the 9/11 incident that was clearly an inside job and blamed it on Muslims. America went to Sudan and said we will protect the borders of the country and 101 children went missing in the first 6 hours. America support Israel which is a country that is terrorizing Palestine for almost 90 or more and America gives them all the weapons they ask for. I can go on and on, but these are some because you asked.
I agree with some of the things you said minus conspiracy theory, but I've also admitted that we have done as much in my take via we are an imperfect nation with problems at home and abroad. My patriotism however is not linked to blind support of such actions. Do you agree with everything your leaders do in your country? I'd think not. I get tired of hearing the rhetoric that we can't think for ourselves or that we just support every single war because our flag is involved. However, what would you like me personally to do to stop these actions? I have exercised my democratic right to vote for those who I think can do their jobs correctly, I've signed petitions, I've demonstrated, and yet here we are. I think there is much more of a critical eye trained on the US because of the whole we're one of the great powers and what not, but can you also turn around and look at your own countries flaws and policies without someone saying you're the most evil country in the world?
There is no "winning," or "a perfect country." Why so many expect that there is, I have no clue because of all the cogs in the machine involved. The US can step away from everything dealing in foreign countries right now. Just put down the guns, pull out the businessess, and the politics and walk away and say, forget it, we're just going to deal with ourselves, but the second we do, then there will be cries of dissertation, of not stepping up to help others, of starting fights and not finishing, and that then we'd be completely selfish. Why, because it's happened already. We're in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I'm not saying we continue to do the bad, but just this whole, well if America left everybody alone, everyone would be fine, is BS. Why, because every country is the same. Has it's flaws, does bad things in the middle of the night, but also on the flip side every country has some good, and good people who do good things for others.
" America did the 9/11 incident that was clearly an inside job and blamed it on Muslims. "
so clear that a kid from outside america figured out the conspiracy from his basement mulling over internet articles... yet teams of specialists are oblivious.
conspiratard
LOL! The British were always worse than us. Remember the Britishh Empire, India, the genocide against Australian aborigines people? The fact that they themselves invented the concentration camp? Europeans are in no position to criticize the US.
@JRICHARDS1996 seriously, I find this particular argument from the Brits amusing. Like, let's prop open your history books while you're busy telling us how bad we are.. let's look at those countries that still bear your mark on their flags and the legacy of racism you've left behind before we start pretending we're that much better than the US. It's the same terrible boat. Let's recognize that.
I agree the British are worse, but not now. I agree with everything our King says in my country. Yes we have flaws, but not only inside of our country we don't do anything bad to other countries. I get your point as a person who can't do much to help the country, I completely understand because I also can't do much about some really simple things. It's nothing against you or any American.
I meant to say ' only in our country, not outside '
@orphan So you agree it's an inside job or not? I didn't understand.
"We don't do anything bad to other countries"
The U. K. along with France among other European powers participated heavily in the Iraqi War and Afghanistan. NATO and the United States pretty much run together in everything.
i disagree. i believe a lot of people have a difficult time accepting that such a simple plan caused a historical catastrophe. so... they look for an elaborate explanation to make sense of the unforgettable aftermath.
@orphan There are a lot of reasons why it's been proven why it was an inside job. The most ridiculous one is that they haven't been able to find some people's bodies or cameras in the building , but they found the passport of the pilot? that's simply impossible.
there isn't a single fact that proves it was an inside job... just ongoing speculation.
the owner of the building not eating breakfast there means the owner of the building didn't eat breakfast there.
oh no they haven't found a body... but they found a pilot's license.. they've also found drivers license to a victim blocks away. what's that prove? nothing.
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Patriotism is so easily abused
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Simply, there are 2 reasons. 1) european western society is really self hating, almost to the point of suicidality. It shows no respect for tradition and common people, it's simply a bad gift that 69ers gave to us. So anybody that loves their culture has to be an enemy to them.
2) European nationalists and traditionalists dont like US mostly because their imperial (but rather for the big companies) politics, waging war in other territories and interfering with other peoples stuff when US has a chance to earn something.
#2 would really be a matter of the pot calling the kettle black...
As an outsider, I admire American patriotism
The line in the sand where it becomes grating as well as lurching into offensive is when it descends into blind zealotry.
Could you further explain? What are the examples of blind zealotry that have so driven this argument into the minds of so many foreigners.
The insistence on guns
The insistence on guns is not patriotic, technicly its roots are in a complete distrust in the government and its ability to do the right thing. That was what the second amendment was for it was meant to arm the citizens against an unjust government not only because it gave them the power to keep the government in check with force but also was a reminder to the people that it was their soverigein duty to do so. This helped create that mindset that they where and continue to be active participants within the governing body. The willingness to fight the government if it does wrong is vital (hence the first move of dictators is to remove that ability by removing guns from the people since all governmental powers operate purely from a place of force) Further more removal of guns would not work nor has it worked for most nations. Australia for instance banned guns yet gun related crimes according to most recent research have shown no statisticly significant decrease.
However I would agree that blind zealotry is something to be avoided, being self obsessed can be quite damaging which is where I believe will cause xenophobia and a closed minded view of the world which in turn hinders growth.
@hellionthesage I Googled : www.google.com/search
you can take out lives but you will never take our freedom.
@jacquesvol www.mintpressnews.com/.../
thefederalist.com/.../
freebeacon.com/.../
https://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
https://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html
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That's why you have to look at the fine print. I don't trust the preson who is trying to sell me something, when those for something are claiming it works it is almost certainly omitting some very important details.
@dudeman I have had the pleasure to visit your fine land on many occasions since my initial visit in 1983. Having lived in MT and MD. the one thing that strikes me is the wisdom and welcoming nature of the everyday American and their welcoming nature which always gets overlooked in the outside world. Mainly for the focus is on America's goofy politics, f.. ed up celebrities and gun mentality
That I agree with, I think we are very welcoming but our political system is so screwed up it is laughable, technicly where not even a democracy where a republic which half our population doesn't even realize (nor the rest of the world) so in our defense the reason why idiots get elected is because we get little say in it.
i still dont know whats wrong with guns. i went shooting a few weeks ago it was good fun.
@hellionthesage Indeed, but people today forget the historical background: a revolutionary war against the British govt. was in everyone's mind then. It wasn't disgruntled citizens vs Washington then, but all American citizens vs London.
@jacquesvol No, it was disgruntled citizens against their government, the British ruled America, that was their government and they over threw them. It was not a foreign power it was their own people. And realizing that the British did not view America as anything more then a tool they didn't see them as a threat that meant they didn't have to do anything for them. Hence weaponry being important, threat of force is how governments function, its also how governments are controlled. If they do not fear the people they are in absolute control hence dictators as previously stated removing weaponry from the populace so they cannot fight back. It also breeds an idea of helplessness and thus compliance. By having guns it creates a sense of power a feeling of somewhat equal footing and thus allows them to have the mentality to stand up to an unfair government.
The British Parliament against the war in America, and in early 1782 they voted to end offensive operations in North America.
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution: adopted on December 15, 1791,
Thus a mere 9 years later. The canons were barely cold and the British French and Spanish armies still present in Canada , Mexico and Haiti.
In 1812 the British-American War would prove British menace was VERY real.
But I have the impression American HS forget to teach about the war of 1812.
@hellionthesage
@jacquesvol you have the wrong impression, per usual.
@gotc147 Did you learn about the Ghent peace accords?
@jacquesvol are you even aware of why the War of 1812 even happened? British Navy were high jacking our ships and kidnapping our sailors, forcing them into Naval service for a forgiven nation.
Yes, if you attempted to kidnap me and force me into slavery I'd shoot you without hesitation.
@gotc147 Those hostilities explain very well why they felt the need for the 2nd Amendment:
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State... 100% logical in this aspect.
@jacquesvol indeed.
But the threat of oppression never yields, hence why the people of every nation should be heavily armed, enough to overpower their government should the need arise.
@gotc147 Was there a threat of despotism in Washington on December 15, 1791 or before?
@jacquesvol before, after and during.
@gotc147 Please, tell me about Washingtonian despotism around 1791.
@jacquesvol you asked if there was a "threat" of despotism, which there always is, always has been and always will be.
@gotc147 This is sounding more and more like suppositions about worst case B-movie scenarios with some Hollywood inspiration. Of course, things COULD go wrong.
@gotc147 but it was that kind of thinking by a few persons that lead to the death of Lincoln, JFK and more.
@jacquesvol to a degree, Lincoln did deserve to be on the receiving end of some bad things given that whole habeas corpus thing... Did he deserve to die? Not in my opinion, but we're all entitled to our own now aren't we?
Dangerous freedom is better than peaceful slavery, die on your feet rather than live on your knees. It is completely inevitable that bad things will happen with this arrangement, that is part of the deal, I would say get used to it but you Europeans keep tripping over each other to give up your freedom in exchange for safety.
And look what it's got you, hundreds dead in France, how many women were raped in Germany? And the UK saying "nope, we're out of here".
@jacquesvol So? What does the time it was put into place have to do with the reason its their? The reason was to create a balance of power since without it a government can do what ever it wants when ever it wants as has been evident in many many countries. Why do you think that we don't teach the history of 1812? They put up blockades and interfered with our shipping lanes completely ignoring our sovereignty as a nation and violating international law. As for assasinations, those have always existed and quite frankly is a poor argument. Terrorist used planes to kill thousands of people here in the US so clearly planes are evil right? Their have been doctors who where serial killers: www.ranker.com/.../ranker-crime
So I guess we should then punish all doctors? That's a poor argument to make, out of the hundreds of thousands of people who did not abuse their rights you point out the one who did? That is an illogical argument.
@jacquesvol Things could go wrong yes and we know they could because they have. That's why the revolutionary war happened. That's why Frances revolutionary war happened, and most every single revolutioinary war and revolt in all of history has occurred because of this. This is provable because hitler did it, Lenin did it and stalin and pol pot and saddahm Hussein and every single other dictator. You act like this is not a common thing when it very much is. Its how castro got into power too, he over threw a despot and then became one himself. Same thing happened in Haiti. Its really really common. England as well when they executed Charles I. So yeah despotism is pretty common and thus a very real threat. Our own government was caught violating the laws its suppose to uphold and threatening the security of our country (the NSA) so yet another example of how the government cannot be trusted.
@hellionthesage " create a balance of power since without it a government can do what ever it wants when ever it wants"
NO, not really, in the US: Obama signed the close down order of GITMO within a month of being sworn in and the army and the GOP successfully blocked the presidential order. GITMO is still open.
ObamaCare took a long time of negotiating with the GOP and the Tea party and insurance companies.
No guns were drawn, no shots fired , as happened to Lincoln Garfield, McKinley, and Reagan. and to the Kennedys, to Gilford and several others, executed or wounded in virtue of the mentality that "We the people" should have the right to shoot a politician we don't like.
Trump recently made a veiled appeal in that sense to 2nd Amendment people.
@jacquesvol What world do you live in? "Obama re took a long time in negotiating with the GOP" the Republicans were completely left out of the drafting, writing and voting process for Obamacare, they had absolutely NOTHING to do with it.
Reagan was shot because the guy thought it would get the attention of a woman, not because he had a problem with Reagan.
The Kennedy's? Good god they deserved everything they got.
@gotc147 "
The Kennedy's? Good god they deserved everything they got." Death without even a mock trial thus?
That's nearly what Trump is announcing about his political opponents.
That's nearly what Erdogan is announcing about his political opponents.
Erdogan and many other despots in the 3d. world.
@dudeman "you can take out lives but you will never take our freedom."
Some here approve of JFK's murder.
Trump meetings call for the execution of an opponent.
@jacquesvol an idiotic statement.
Even if you subscribe to the ludicrous idea that Trump was calling for the assassination of Hillary Clinton, it was not because she is his opponent, it would be because she violated our natural and constitutionally - protected rights.
I almost ed asked you if you ever think things through, but then, we both know the answer to that don't we?
@gotc147 Hehe, you guys by continuing to debate on my reply are making me think i have friends- LOL!
@gotc147 I wrote "negotiating Obamacare", I didn't write 'drafting'.
Politics are the art of attaining what's possible.
Re Kennedys and Lincoln. You're writing about murders in cold blood, not about a judicial process.
@jacquesvol the Republicans were not involved in "negotiating" obamacare, they were shut out, ignored completely at every step of the way.
The Republicans did NOTHING other than oppose it, rightfully.
@gotc147 At moments, indeed.
@jacquesvol Again, you use fallacious reasoning. You mention few out of the many. You intentionally omit that out of the hundreds of millions of people both currently, at the time of those events and all together through out all of US history only a minor few acted wrongly. Further more your argument was that the government doesn't need to be kept in check because the government argues with itself doesn't really add up, what precisely does that have to do with the people? What does that have to do with the government pushing its own agenda? How does that have anything to do with the NSA Spying on its own people, breaking the laws its suppose to be upholding and enforcing to the detriment of the populace? At what point did your argument actually address anything? The answer is it didn't. You started with the Composition/division fallacy and segued right into the straw man fallacy.
@jacquesvol Was it a veiled threat or was it a call to vote and oppose Hillary? Was it a dark humor or was it a serious? Either way no one knows and its really pointless to speculate. The reason you assume the worse is because your against him, it has nothing to do with whether or not it was a "veiled threat" it has to do with your opinion of him ergo any argument from that is pointless as its purely speculative and subject to extreme personal bias.
@hellionthesage The question is NOT "How was it understood by you and me and intended by Trump?" but "How was it understood by a hateful dangerous minority of gun toting fanatics?"
@hellionthesage "the NSA Spying on its own people, breaking the laws its suppose to be upholding and enforcing to the detriment of the populace?"
The NSA is spying on the whole world, allies included, looking for commercial secrets to favor US interests. Spying on US citizens seems a mere by product of a complete system set up (since 1952 if my memory is exact) to favorize American interests at the expense of the rest of he world.
@jacquesvol if the minority of gun owners you speak of were as hateful and violent as you seem to believe, they would not have needed a nod from Trump to go after Clinton.
@gotc147 Giffords learned that already. So did the Kennedys, Reagan, and others.
@jacquesvol did you miss the part where I said bad things happen?
At least when Reagan got shot he turned it into motivation to fix things, Gifford just became part of the problem.
@gotc147 These people weren't hit by a lightning.
@jacquesvol statistically they may as well have been.
@gotc147 sure... :-\ like Hillary will reveive a 'statistical bullet?
@jacquesvol it's about as likely as her getting struck by lightning.
@gotc147 Given the nr of politically connected shootings in the US AND the repeated talk of guns needed to 'control' politicians it would be naive to think there's no link.
@jacquesvol No that is incorrect, it is irrational and wrong to hold some one accountable for anothers actions so it doesn't matter what crazy people think they are crazy they will do what ever they want irregardless. Blacks are statisticly more likely to commit violent crimes then whites, are we going to hold all blacks responsible then? If a white man does wrong will we hold all whites responsible? Claiming that this is a legitament response is both morally wrong and at least in the US illegal. As For the NSA they have recently after 9-11 to be precise began their illegal activities. All governments have spy agencies, the claim otherwise is just absurd your country has one all countries have them all of them gather intelligence. The problem was ours decided to do so in an incredibly illegal way that harmed our citizens. So even if your remark had any merit it still is a straw man argument, its irrelevant to what I stated.
@jacquesvol And again you ignore the many many who where not assassinated and the many many people who had guns and did not kill anyone. Their have been since the founding of the US 56 assassinated politicians. In Just the federal government this year their are 537 elected officals and about 511,000 state offices and officals. That's.01% of politicians being assassinated if we pretend all the politicians killed in the past 240 years occurred this year. In short its a terrible argument and again is a straw man argument that ignores all data, its also anecdotal and cherry picked. Its illogical.
@hellionthesage The many many who where not assassinated should thank 2nd Amendment people for it, I suppose? :-|
@jacquesvol Again a straw man argument. You haven't actually addressed the issue. Several assasins where fans of the book the catcher in the rye, so I guess we should blame the book then right?
@hellionthesage non sequitur
@jacquesvol Your the one taking a tiny sample size i. e. cherry picking and then applying to the majority, I simply was showing you how absurd your statements where, if you find it to be irrational its really on you as its your argument not mine.
Kelvinmed has a good point but I would also say that a lot of Americans aren't being patriotic but nationalist. Nationalism is starting to make a comeback among countries and its going to cause many issues and tensions in the coming century. Patriotic people can admit when their country is wrong and has issues that need to be fixed, nationalistic people see their country as always right no matter what and that its great or in recent terms "needs to go back to greatness".. whatever that means.
@KenM9215 True, that. @kelvinmed
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The only people who do not like American patriotism are the useful idiots of the global elite.
My complaint about Americans is that so many of them are so ignorant of what is going on around them and know little to nothing about history and the world outside of the borders of the USA.
Because some Americans are incredibly obnoxious about it and not only are they super "loud and proud", they seem to think that their country is better than everyone else's. Well, sorry, but no it isn't.
Maybe not anymore, but two generations ago we certainly were better than every other country in the world.
We provided for ourselves with little, if any, influence from the government, whereas the rest of the world looked at the government as a provider. American exceptionalism was based on the fact that we didn't take handouts and got where we were on the strength of our own backs, on our own.
When one man can achieve the same as five, that one man is the superior, there is no denying this.
I'm sorry but every country thinks they are the greatest in the world, which is why every country tries to tell every other country that whatever it is they are doing is absolutely the worst... why... because the implication is that what they are doing is better and that they are better... and yet, American's are so horrible. Like I said, we are imperfect. I have admitted as much. We've done some crap. I've admitted as much in several comments, but no country... and I mean, no country can stand up and say that they have never done anything bad, that everything they've done has been in the best interests of everyone on the planet, and that they don't also have their fair share of loud, or arrogant, or obnoxious people. The finger pointing is all quite literally a bunch of pots calling the kettles black.
honestly from interacting with americans i have found out that while they are not dumb they're quite naive and know nothing about how the world works outside of america, i have no problem with someone loving his country, but at least start learning about how shit works instead of thinking you actually know.
also europeas are guilty of this too, they should grow a pair and start loving their countries a little or else they will end up with no home.
See, to me this is more of a fair assessment. It's easy to say, you do this and you do that.. but that's the very thing foreigners are accusing us of doing and then turning around and doing the same. Like don't tell me how to live in my country, but let me tell you how to live in yours. Um... no. With all this knowledge at our finger tips and connections through the internet, we all need to stop making accusations and assumptions about every other country and actually sit down and take the time to really get to know its people and what they believe in and realize, you're not going to agree with any of everything they do/say and vice versa and there is more than one way to live life.
Do they hate American patriotism, or rather American interventionism, neocolonialism, imperialism and neoconservatism?
I believe other nations hate the American government for playing the world police, not Americans for being patriotic. In fact many admire American patriotism and are envious of it. Especially in places like Germany where people are not really allowed to be overly patriotic.
If you have access to Youtube, you should see, TheYafaShow: How Do Germans View Americans.
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That's ok I don't have a problem with patriotism as long as you don't insult and look down on other countries. People usually have a problem with arrogance.
a lot of americans hate patriotism as well.
But whats wrong about lovig the country you live in? Whats wrong with saying your country is great? Every soil on this earth has bad history so people nees to stop acting like their shit doesn't stink
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Because its fucking useless and not needed at all. Like, i know you live in the USA and like it but do you have to shove it up everyones throat? If i would tell people ever day i like chicken nuggets theyd soon be annoyed because it freaking is. I mean liking your country is great and everything but raising a flag for every slightly American event is just so.. useless. Also the thing where you say the pledge every day at school sounds pretty mindwashing to me.
I don't think patriotism or nationalism is productive. I don't know what it accomplishes and it even blinds us to our faults. I'm an American and this country isn't and never was star-spangled awesome. I think that when we foam at the mouth about American greatness and ingenuity it blinds us to that fact. Every country has pros and cons and we need to always be mindful of that.
Honestly, I think the people who act like arrogant assholes give other Americans a bad name. There is nothing wrong with patriotism, but you can be proud of your country without looking down on other countries.
Lots of people are patriotic and love their country, but they aren't all like Americans. Americans, as per the stereotype, go overboard and get over excited over this shit. Every single thing relates back to "Whoo USA USA USA!"
And some of it seems dumb. Nobody says anything about other people being patriotic, so it's not the actual patriotism that gets people, it's the way Americans are with it.
but why tell someone how to be patriotic in their own country. A country defines its own level of patriotism by how its countrymen and women pay homage to their country. Take the Olympics for example... we get super excited because we've won a lot of important matches and races, some mere seconds from not winning or mere points. Every single country goes nuts when their team makes a win like that, yet somehow we are made to seem like we go "too crazy." I've seen quite a few football matches world wide... everyone is like this.
I'm confused... all the examples of country-love I've seen around the world, especially in sporting events, is out of CONTROL with other countries. Just look at soccer matches. A lot of countries are fiercely patriotic, far more so than Americans have ever been, as far as I can tell. I mean, I know people who have been places like Japan and China, and they say just about everyone there is firmly convinced they're by far the most superior country - and people - on the planet.
@Fathoms77 This is very true.
@Fathoms77 & asker. I get that, that is normal. But i think Americans do it all the time, not just sporting events. I've even seen some on here like that before, and I used to play a lot of games online when I was a teen and kid and it's how all the Americans were on those games too. And it's like you can never point out what American has done or still does that is bad, because many people just can't be spoken to other than to agree with them. Like that episode of family guy where they talk about "arguing with a Texan" and have that mule that just won't listen, it's similar to that for people on the outside looking in.
@Fathoms77 and I think, judging by what loads talk about, tons of Americans also think they're far superior. I've lost count of the amount of times I've come across Americans thinking the world would be nothing without them, or that their country is the only country who has made any advances and we'd all be stuck in the dark ages if America didn't exist.
I don't know a nation in the world that doesn't think they are great. Every nation has it's pride days where they parade around a military, or hold up some national treasure, or honor their leaders, so this idea that it is somehow so vastly different for the US, makes little sense especially if you're going to talk about how a country cheers on it's national teams. It's the same worldwide. We have pride in our country, but that doesn't mean its blinding. With any stereotype you have of another country, you will ALWAYS find someone who proves the stereotype correct, and its easy to hold them up and say, all of this country is like that because I met 30 people... but there are 318 million of us, all with our own minds, all from different parts of the country, all with different experiences.
All I have to say is that people outside this country shouldn't talk as if they know what's going on in the U. S. The current trend in this country is NOT national pride. Trust me on that. In fact, liberals hold sway and they are precisely the people who are accused of hating the U. S. and constantly trying to erase the idea that "America is superior."
At this point, the only people left running around in circles going, "America rules!" are somewhere in the Deep South. And that's about. WAY too many foreigners aren't getting this.
But I didn't bring up national teams, you guys did. I said it's normal to cheer on your team. I was talking about everything else. And i know you're all different obviously, everybody is just people, I'm just saying why people think that and it's because of what they see.
Every country doesn't do pride days either. I get the independence day thing, again, that's normal. I'm talking about day to day.
Maybe that's why you've got flags everywhere too? I like patriotism, I think it's silly when people DON'T love their country. But not everybody does things how you guys do.
Maybe it's because you're known for being lively and others find that going overboard, and that liveliness just transfers over to your love of your country... I don't know, but it is a lot.
I do think some are more ignorant than others with things like thinking the entire world revolves around the USA and we'd all be nowhere without the USA, but it's what we see everywhere.
@Fathoms77 I have seen that too. People from there always saying something bad about the people and the government. I've seen both sides I guess.
And yes, I didn't think of that before, but maybe it is more southerners, I don't know. Now that I think of the people I have seen like that, majority were southerners.
I have also seen way too many who defend it like nobodys business and won't ever admit USA has done anything wrong. Everything bad they've done is for the good of the universe and we should be thankful.
Also, what you might be seeing is the American media. Keep in mind there is a huge disconnect between the American media and the average American.
@genuinlysensitive yeah, you're probably right. I won't lie, people laugh at it, and they like to show people things about people that confirm what we think and have somebody to laugh at or think "ha, so ignorant, WE'RE not like those people"
I do think some are like that though, because I've come across some. Because they're the stereotype it feels like there are more than there are, but now I really really really think about it, most I've come across weren't like that. Most have good and bad things to say, just like they do in my countries.
This last bit is absolutely what I mean. I can hold a camera up in your country and find every single stereotype I've ever heard about your country confirmed, put together an entire video package, and send it across the US, but you will always find those people if you want to, and if you look hard enough, but it is wholly unfair to say all American's are like this when you wouldn't want us to say the same about your country or it's people based on the stereotypes we've heard. Trust, I wrote a whole take about this business because I've heard this one so many times about our overboard patriotism, but we all do things differently, celebrate differently, do patriotism differently, but each country should be allowed that if you don't want someone telling you how to live your lives in your own country or "how to celebrate." We need mutual respect for each other and not to fall into the trap of, life can only be lived according to the rules of this one country. I want you to be different!
And I'm also not sure about the level of patriotism you think most of us have. I have 'a' flag up in a room in my own house. I don't walk around every morning going, wow, the USA is great, everyone is awesome, love the US, USA. Who... does that? It's more, it's the fourth of July, we celebrate, we pull out the flags and such because its a national holiday, or your put up ribbons for fallen soldiers, or you celebrate your country in an international match with chants of USA because we don't really do songs and scarves and calling back and forth, but that's about it.
Couple of the answers on here are the type of Americans I mean. You know what though, after our little discussion, they really irritate me in a different way- the same way I get irritated over any people living up to a stereotype that isn't good, like when I hear of a Muslim man beating his wife or black guy selling drugs or white guy being racist, it's just so annoying that they're living up to it and proving people right. Annoying. I like this take though, it has made me think.
As an American I loathe vigorous patriotism. We aren't the best country in the world and the ego associated with thinking like we are is embarrassing to me as an American citizen.
I don't see what's wrong with loving one's country. I don't see why the fact that Americans seem to be more openly patriotic than others is a topic for scrutiny. If a Belgian man flies a Belgian flag from his home and wears shirts with the Belgian flag, nobody bats an eye.