Why I'm Outraged Over Trump's Win

[FallOutBoy2001]

I watched the election last night. Eyes glued to the screen as the results came in, trying to hope beyond hope that the results would turn around, that Hillary would take the lead in the polls. By 2 am, it was evident it was a lost cause, and I decided to salvage the last couple hours I had left before I had to get up and tried to sleep, so I could face the world with at least a few hours of sleep behind me and try and sleep on the results. Now that I'm awake, however, I'm even more sure of how I feel about this.

I'm livid. Absolutely livid.

Now I have to look people I know in the eye, knowing that they are the reason my brother will never get health care, that my best friend won't be able to marry her girlfriend, and that the majority of them simply voted for him because he was Republican.

"Surely, you'll still respect them!"

Be civil towards them? I'll try. Respect them? Not a chance in hell. I've lost all respect for those people who didn't think before they voted. If you press them for reasons as to why they voted for Trump, many of them can't give you concrete reasons, other than "He'll make America great again" or "He's not Clinton."

This isn't the election of 2008, where I respected both candidates, and would have been happy with either, or the election of 2012, where I favored Obama but wouldn't have cared if Romney became president. I'm honesty disappointed with everyone who voted for Trump. They're a disappointment to everything this country supposedly stands for. America has now pronounced itself a country that promotes racism, sexism, police brutality, cruel treatment of minorities, and xenophobia. How ironic, the country built on immigration is now determined to curb immigration.

I have some respect for the people who read all of his points and policies, and voted for him based on that, because at least they did their research and arrived at their conclusion because of that; however, it's clear that that's not the case with many, if not most, of the voters.

If you're going to vote for a candidate, at least do research into their policies and looking into their effects. You might ruin people if you don't.

[Fathoms77]

"I have some respect for the people who read all of his points and policies, and voted for him based on that, because at least they did their research and arrived at their conclusion because of that; however, it's clear that that's not the case with many, if not most, of the voters."

You are aware, of course, that the very same argument can be made for Clinton voters?

In point of fact, I think a lot more Trump voters actually did their research because frankly, it's the only way he won. If you went by the media and sound bites and overblown rumors, nobody on earth would've voted for him; you actually had to listen to what he said (for instance, that speech he gave in Mexico, which the President of Mexico actually LIKED), was quickly glossed over and all we ever heard about Trump was his "build the wall" comment.

While on the flip side, there's this whole "vote for Clinton because she's a democrat" and "vote for Hillary because she's a woman" that drove people to the polls. One of my biggest issues with the last few elections, including this one, is the apparently massive and embarrassing number of totally uninformed voters, you know? I think it really is on both sides. :)

[Paris13]

Thank God many of us who saw through the corruption, voted for a more Honest john. xx

[FallOutBoy2001]

I honestly think a better race would have been Rubio and Sanders

[Fathoms77]

And if Sanders had won, I honestly would've gotten out of here.

[goaded]

@Fathoms77 Why?
Are you intending to die with millions in the bank?
Or do you think education should only be for the well off?
Or the banks are sound institutions?
Or we should have more ill people preparing your food?

[Fathoms77]

@goaded "I vow, by my life and my love of it, to never live my life for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."

[rjroy3]

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[goaded]

Is that a quote from someone?

Does it mean you'd never work for someone for money, or never do anything to help others?

[hellionthesagereborn]

@goaded Actually many of those policies would have put us further in debt. If you actually look at the countries who have those laws that sanders wanted they are all starting to hurt from it, its simply not feesible in the long run. In places where education is free, everything else costs more so the students may not have student debt, but they still have debt (only a little less sever then student loans in america). Its something that sounds great but in practice isn't sustainable.

[Fathoms77]

@goaded Yes, it's a quote. You'll probably find it related to Objectivism if you Google it.

And no, it means you prioritize value; i. e., trading value for value. It could be money but it doesn't have to be, so long as both parties have value. If there is no value, that person gets nothing and if he or she takes anything, despite his or her lack of value, that's simple theft. It means having pride in the self, and that the ultimate form of altruism is to improve yourself and succeed.

[jman46241]

I have a new found respect for you..

[Paris13]

@jman46241 me tooooooooooooo. xxoo

[goaded]

I'm finding it hard to express exactly how disgusting I find that attitude, so I'll just ask a few questions.

At what age do you put orphans to work to pay for their upbringing?
Do you euthanase the disabled or elderly, or just let them starve to death?
Is there ever any need to pay someone for their work if there's someone willing to do that work for food?

There's a reason it's better to live in the USA than Somalia, and it's mostly down to people getting together and saying enough is enough.

[Fathoms77]

@goaded You obviously don't ever understand the attitude, nor have you made any attempt to understand it.

The philosophy doesn't persecute those who can't help their situation, i. e. orphans, those injured in the line of duty, those born with crippling diseases, the elderly, etc. These are the people who are and should be helped by taxes. But the immense number of whining, entitled, lazy slobs currently sitting around the house DRAINING money from the country's coffers is staggering, and is not acceptable. And by the way, in this system, nobody would have to work for food, as nobody would go hungry.

It's about taking pride in yourself as a human being, and doing what you can to better yourself on a daily basis. It's about knowing that TAKING from your neighbor while you offer nothing in return AND are perfectly capable of offering something, is entirely counterproductive, and has ultimately served to bring a once powerful country of doers and producers to its knees.

[FallOutBoy2001]

See though, repealing things like the ACA means that people like those simply don't get coverage.

[jman46241]

Wrong. Individual states used to have their own funding to provide premiums that varied from little cost to none at all.. The problem with that is income is only factored. The ACA did nothing but raise the level of income where people and their family could not benefit where they needed it the most. Then every major insurance company raised their rates.. This hurt businesses as well.

[rjroy3]

Yea. You have to keep in mind that there was a system before Obamacare. It certainly needed fixing and proposed changes will take care of that. But Obamacare was a worse plan. You can't FORCE people to get covered and FORCE people to pay for something they don't want. There were personal violations made against citizens with this from the beginning and the system wasn't even good to begin with. My mother is an RN and she witnessed the system getting cheated with fraud. Women getting Tummy tucks, boob jobs and lip injections when that's not what it's for. The new plans coming forth will fix all of that.

[goaded]

@rjroy3 "You can't FORCE people to get covered and FORCE people to pay for something they don't want."
Yes, you can. If you can force pacifists to pay for bombs you can force people who don't think they'll be ill some day to pay for insurance. People don't think they'll have traffic accidents, either, but they're generally forced to buy insurance just in case.

[goaded]

"The philosophy doesn't persecute those who can't help their situation, i. e. orphans, those injured in the line of duty, those born with crippling diseases, the elderly, etc. These are the people who are and should be helped by taxes. But the immense number of whining, entitled, lazy slobs currently sitting around the house DRAINING money from the country's coffers is staggering, and is not acceptable. And by the way, in this system, nobody would have to work for food, as nobody would go hungry."

That sounds a lot like communism, to me. (OK, I'm responding to the last sentence again!)

I don't think it's as simple as you make it out to be. In any system including humans, there will be those who take the food out of other peoples' mouths so they can have a bigger house or shinier car.

"I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half."
Jay Gould
US financier & railroad businessman (1836 - 1892)

They need to be kept in check by laws and serious (prison) penalties.

[rjroy3]

@goaded

For semantics sake. Sure. Yes you "can" do it. We shouldn't do that in our society, because it is infringing on our freedoms when no crime was committed. It is morally wrong to do so.

[goaded]

@rjroy3 So we shouldn't insist that drivers have insurance because it's taking away their freedom to go bankrupt when they don't have enough money to pay for the damages to people they hit? (Leaving the injured to pay for getting hit by a fool, presumably.)

[rjroy3]

@goaded

It's different in that case, because on the road the welfare of others are being put at risk not just your own. Unlike in the case of you personally getting. You have every right to take personal risk. You do not have the right to risk the welfare of others.

[rjroy3]

Personally getting sick *

[goaded]

@rjroy3 Two things spring to mind.

1. Would it be OK to force gun owners to have insurance?

2. If I have contagious disease, am I not risking the welfare of others by not getting it treated?

[rjroy3]

@goaded

1. Give more context. Because as a blanket statement I say no.

2. Depends. Are you engaging with other people other than doctors at a hospital? If not, then no you're not putting others at risk. But simply living is not risking the welfare of another. Choosing to linger around people once you have a disease is risking the welfare of others.

[goaded]

@rjroy3 Simply that accidents happen with guns as well as cars which can result in injury or death.

If you can't afford to take a day off work and/or go to a doctor and work in catering or just with other people, what happens?

[rjroy3]

@goaded

If it's that simplistic, then no. Just managing a gun safely has no risk. While managing a car has risk regardless of how safe you are.

And if you have a disease it doesn't matter whether or not you can afford it. Your work will send you away. They won't let you work if you have a disease. Just go to the hospital and worry about financing later.

[goaded]

@rjroy3 There have been 1840 accidental shooting incidents reported so far this year in the US, although that includes some situations where no-one was killed or injured.

www.gunviolencearchive.org/.../accidental-shooting

The real point is, though, that you can have reasonable discussions about these things and the government does have the right to require people to have insurance at least in certain circumstances (although you don't have to have vehicle insurance, if you choose not to drive a vehicle).

[rjroy3]

@goaded

The guns were not handled safely in those accidents

[goaded]

@rjroy3 You can't define handling a gun safely as "the whole time up to the accident"!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-rGnMKszxg

Admittedly, he was very calm and put the gun down safely after shooting himself in the leg.

I drove safely for over 25 years, then I had an accident (just damaged cars, not people). Shit happens, and there may be reasons, but the accident still happened.

[rjroy3]

@goaded

The cool thing is he could just have catastrophic health insurance for these situations or pay out of pocket

[goaded]

@rjroy3 Oh, and is there a crime "Drunk in charge of a lethal weapon"? Because there should be.

[rjroy3]

@goaded

but yes, you can define it that way. The only time it's not is if he intended to shoot someone, but were mistaken with who that person is. The number one rule of gun safety is always treat a gun like it's loaded

[rjroy3]

@goaded

I'm not sure. I would have to look. But in a court there are higher penalties in certain circumstances where you are drunk or use a gun

[goaded]

@rjroy3 We got a bit crossed over, my fault for double-posting!

The guy in the video was definitely treating the gun as though it was loaded, he was intending to shoot it! He was practising a quick draw with a new holster and screwed up. You have to give him credit for going ahead and posting the video anyway, 99% of people would have pretended it never happened.

I doubt we're going to agree, but it's been a fun conversation. Thanks.

[RegularTK421]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwzYVEunPQ0

[RegularTK421]

Not sure why Obama flip flopped on health insurance mandates. When he campaigned against Hillary he opposed them.

[springocelot]

butthurt is strong today

[FallOutBoy2001]

There's a difference between butthurt and genuine disappointment and understandable anger that you seem to be unaware of

[Djaaaaay]

Asker... Come on , unless you had some ulitior motive behind your vote.. being united together is being together to succeed without being divided to succeed in a motive not worthy of being correct in our society that belongs to ALL of us , not just you alone.

[mostlyghostly]

I know, right? Repubs are so stupid.

[Maik567]

I gave this response to another thread explaining why I voted for Trump:

I am from a family of entrepreneurs and that's definitely the number 1 thing I like about Trump is how he wants to support entrepreneurship. He thinks that taxes should be lowered over all and I completely agree with that. Also his trade policies will absolutely strengthen America economically and keep and create a lot of new jobs to Americans which would have otherwise went to foreign countries. Therefore keeping more money In America.

But overall if you are politically more right winged, Trump is definitely the guy should vote for cause you will find that you will most likely agree with his policies much more.

"and that the majority of them simply voted for him because he was Republican." Yeah and majority voted for Hillary because she is a democrat, it goes both ways.

"I'm honesty disappointed with everyone who voted for Trump. They're a disappointment to everything this country supposedly stands for."

No, you don't get to decide what this country stands for. You don't get to decide what is right and what is wrong. You are the actual person here who is against what this country stands for. Trump won fair and square through democracy and then you come and start saying that people were wrong to vote for him. Honestly if you can't handle how democracy works then I suggest you visit a country without democracy, then you will see how good you actually have it in America.

I honestly can't comprehend how fucking elitistic you have to be to think that you know what you're talking about better than all Trump voters. You are 15, what do you know about taxation, economics, world politics or diplomacy? Where do you get this false confidence to pretend that you somehow know better than the millions of people who voted for Trump?

And what makes you think Hillary would have been a better choice than Trump? She's a liar, corrupt as hell, only cares about her own interests and she changes her "views" to pander to the majority. You do realize she was openly against gay marriage too, until she started using gay marriage as a way to try to get votes. Also she has connections with the KKK so pretty safe to presume that she's racist.

[goaded]

1. Popular vote seems to be with Clinton, so far.
2. Lower taxes means no roads to your business, no police or fire departments to protect them and fewer customers for your products.

I agree with the last paragraph, except the last sentence which is amazingly wrong. Who did the KKK endorse? Trump.

The "super-predator" and mass incarceration of blacks by her husband make that point, although she said ‘I shouldn’t have used those words’, nothing to do with the KKK.

[Djaaaaay]

@goaded What on earth are you so mad at?

[goaded]

@Djaaaaay No-one, why do you think I am?

[Djaaaaay]

@goaded The last sentence is correct and so is the one in the paragraph above , but who cares about that anyway. Anyone of status must deal with said individuals politically because of magnetized affirmations concerning. Fair enough about the question tho..

[goaded]

@Djaaaaay Do you mean "she has connections with the KKK so pretty safe to presume that she's racist." is true? Then why did the KKK endorse Trump?

[Maik567]

@goaded We are wasting tax payer money on so many things right now and you think that the first thing they would cut money away from are those three things? Come on man.

And yeah they endorsed Trump, cause Trump is pretty open about his immigration policy and his anti islam attitude over all, where as Hillary tried to pander to minorities to get votes.

[Djaaaaay]

@goaded In great hopes to persuade him and have a billion dollar buddy up in high places..

[NexAngelus]

i have some really sad news. im going to talk to u as a person and not a libtard ok. so this is a full conversation, with many points that i will go into semi completion as obviously not enough space to cover 1/100 of it. to start with at 15 why are u up at 2am watching an election? next 8 years ago u "followed" the elections? u might of known of them but followed i find that impossible to believe. 99% of americans couldnt follow obama as he came out of nowhere as it was, yet at single digit age u managed to follow him? and his ideas... no. lets skip to NOW

there were two choices. we will pretend we were not voting for a pussy and trying to make some fake history. we had a "person" who was corrupt. killed American soldiers, had no remorse for this "what does it even matter", though later brings up gold star familys lol. has deep connections to KKK, and russia. accepts large sums of money from foreign entities for power inside our country, even countries who abuse women and gays, or other religious groups like christians, or imigrants themselves like the syrians. now these are just a few examples, not even counting the stupid comments like "taxing the middle class" or talking about destroying coal industry while in a coal state..., or the fact that her duaghter is married to sarous son!!!

now trump the other one. a succesful businessman. not a political member. no history besides donating to both parties. he owns so much he has lawsuits that affect him by name alone, not uncommon when u have ur name on everything, have nothing to do with u. look into it. unlike the other who has publically recorded defending violent rapists not even counting her sex offender husband, TRUMP is only guilty of talking dirty about women. which men and women all do in private, which he was in... PRIVATE, being illegally recorded by his "friend". all these females that suddenly came forward all that companies that needed attention and had clinton lawyers... interesting right? and why not before? why all and why right then? think about that. mexican comment was about ILLEGAL mexican immigrants. which is statisctically true. live on a border town and see what happens. its not racist or anti immigration its fact or reality. put ur pussy on the line to get raped by these dangerous people, as its fairly common. ill say it again, its only ILLEGAL immigration everyone is upset about. and rightlfully so. any first generation immigrant voted for trump because they earned their place.

[NexAngelus]

the muslim fear u speak of is a joke, look at the rest of the world. look at any area where they are in high numbers. look at the high crime rates and again look at the high violence against women and gays. this is not makng shit up, america sees what is happening and is STOPPING it right now before it gets worse. other countries in the EU are trying and some are too late. too many are there and a total take over is happening. i know many first hand, the females are nice "enough" but they are submissive and take orders from the males in the family. even when they try to act like they have a voice. in the end they are controlled. and the males are two faced. how they act around others and how they act around their muslim buddies. its really sad. most immigrants are very happy to assimilate into america, why do muslims refuse and DEMAND to set up bastions of their own country inside america? with their own laws? sharia law. this is reality, dodge the truth all u want.

[NexAngelus]

the sexist part, trump has more women and in higher positions than most companies and he pays them more. he pays them a shit ton more then hillary pays her female employees. she pays her employees like 70%, its a joke. as a supposide "female" she has spent her life doing everything in her power to hurt females. besides a few things a couple people have said, most everyone around trump thinks he is great and treats women great. look at how well he raised his daughter. she is an amazing female. with a great family of her own. who earns everything she does in comparison to clintons daughter who leeches of the foundation on a set salary and feeds clients to her husbands hedge fund as her only purpose in life... and trump got mentioned once by a KKK member and everyone went wild, u know hilary actually knows david duke and has had lunch with him on more than one time? doubt u knew that. should i bother to keep going? or do u give up, cause i really dont see how u compare the two at all.

[FallOutBoy2001]

No, at 8 I didn't follow the election very closely. At 12, I definitaly did. I was up until 2 am, yes. Not sure what that has to do with my age. I have a weird sleep pattern and I was actually really invested in this election.

I believe you're referring to Benghazi. Still not sure why people give a damn, considering that was not solely her fault, and it was in a war zone. My cousin's in the military and my coach's brother fucking died while serving, but even I have to admit, shit happens in a war zone. You bring up some valid points, but let's be honest I don't care who her daughter is married to, and neither should you.

He's a pretty shitty businessman, his bad policies can and will affect millions of Americans, and he is proven to be racist and sexist (not to mention backed by the KKK) and Clinton's job was to defend them. She would have lost her job if she didn't.

Looking at their policies, I agreed with hers more. My dad's from the UK so I've seen how socialist policies work

[FallOutBoy2001]

Thank you though, for taking the time to write that all out. It was nice to have a fresh perspective into a Trump supporter's mind

[BrighteyedAsh]

I didn't vote Trump, I went 3rd party because I have choice words for both candidates this term. However, had I been REQUIRED to vote between the two... I would have voted Trump... and here's why... I sincerely believe that Hillary was only pandering to the minority vote. She should have never been nominated as the Democratic front runner. IF I had truly believedddd in her standinng for her policies... I would have liked her. But I just couldn't and I just didn't. Meanwhile, I've come to learn that Trump is previously registered Democrat. Truthfully, I don't think him winning will have any impact on LGBTQ rights because the house was already Republican before this and I don't think that's something Trump really cares about stopping, politically. The racism thing... that was never meant to be a political issue in the first place. I know a lot of what he has said in the wrong place and wrong time has been severely misconstrued... and while I don't much care for the idiot... I don't think he's all that much worse than many of our previous presidents... and in his case... I think there's an odd part of him who genuinely believes he can improve America... however misguided. We can't take back what happened now, all we can do is brace ourselves, pull together as a nation of people and hope for the best next four years possible... fighting and division is not the answer.

[FallOutBoy2001]

You know what? I like how you explained that

[Anonymous]

Sorry your upset with democracy. You should be mad not at Trump supporters but at Hillary Clinton and at those that didn't vote. Did you or your brother vote?
Who is stopping your brother getting health care? D
The dictionary describes marriage marriage
the legally or formally recognized union of a man and a woman so I dont see the problem. Trump nor America is neither sexist or racist and abusing the use of those words to brand those with different views devalues them and makes them less powerful. Police brutality is a myth but violent crime is not.
Yes our country was built on immigration but legal Immigration, immigrants waited on ellis island before entering. Immigration was very strict and should be and immigration was encouraged because the country needed people, there's too many people living in America and opportunities are very slim. Its not xenophobic or racist its common sense. If Trump delivers all he promises (we've had Obama's promises) then all minorities will benefit as will legal immigrants, people need jobs not the welfare scraps the democrats throw. Who knows from Trump we might see his daughter become the first female president or even see Ben Carson become the very first African American president, there's a lot of hope that Trump can bring about progress in America.

[Opinion Owner]

https://youtu.be/JcCu0UQazlQ
I forgot to say?

[FallOutBoy2001]

My brother and I cannot legally vote (being 15 and 9 and all that jazz) and Trump want to repeal the Affordable Care Act, which makes it illegal to refuse someone insurance due to a pre-existing condition. My brother has a heart condition which is considered "pre-existing" and before the ACA, he would have been unable to get health insurance.

Dictionaries, clearly a viable source of information about complex changing social issues.

Trump once said, “I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.” which seems pretty damn racist.

[Opinion Owner]

Hillary was going to replace it too, it was unaffordable for taxpayers to pay for it. he's not getting rid of the law it would take years.
And yet the fact that he has black guys counting his money says otherwise, a Democrat wouldn't say that he just wouldn't employ black people.

[FallOutBoy2001]

Replace, not repeal, meaning it's got the good parts stay and the parts that aren't working go.

He also used the have the black employees at his casino go into the back when he visited because he didn't want to see them, and had a lawsuit filed against him for refusing housing to blacks

[Opinion Owner]

And there's proof of that. Hillary has connections to the KKK and bill approved a confederate flag to be flown when he was governer.

[NexAngelus]

some of them are cute... it sucks that they are crazy nut balls with huge chips on their shoulders

[gotc147]

This kind of rhetoric is why Clinton lost.

Almost everybody who voted for Trump voted for him either because either agreed with him on the issues or disagreed with Clinton on the issues to such a degree that they wanted her out of the White House at all costs.

Count me in that latter group.

Democrats are far more removed from what America stands for, they're openly against half the Bill of Rights and have minimal respect for the checks and balances our system of government is supposed to have.

So you go ahead and be livid. If Trump ends up being a successful President who brings unemployment way down, labor force participation way up, improves the quality of life for most Americans, makes health insurance affordable for most Americans and turns the entrepreneurship dial up to 11 with small businesses popping up every time you turn around I will not expect someone like you to admit you were wrong or that he was good at his job.

[NearlyNapping]

I remember every president since Kennedy. I remember Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama. I've been watching politics and paying attention for over 50 years. I've been voting for over 35 years. I also had 4.0 in college.

I voted for Trump. From what you wrote, it's quite obvious that YOU are the one who hasn't done your research. If you actually understood the US system, the US demographics, and the reasons why people voted as they did, you would never have said the things you did.

At 15 I truly don't expect you to have vast knowledge and understanding. You are interested in what happens and have an opinion on it. That's good. But be very careful making the kind of accusation you are making without being able to back them up.

Believing rumors and hearsay, does not constitute research. Repeating them without verifying whether they are true is irresponsible.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Well said. Especially with our media machine, they are interested in viewership not the truth (I've seen it time and again where they take things out of context or frame it so a person looks worse just for the shock value and by extension the views).

[AleDeEurope]

You do know most of Clinton voters didn't do any research right? It seems you didn't do your research either. No sane person would have voted for Hillary after all Wikileaks revealed, they only voted for her cause she wasn't Trump. That, or they just enjoy fascism.

P. S.: Technically, every country was built on immigration.

[FallOutBoy2001]

I did my research. Both candidates, I felt, were horrible humans, but one means that my brother gets health care and my friends and I can get married to our partners, regardless of gender, and the other one had a ton of policies I disagreed with

[smølf]

Trump might introduce fascism to the US, may God be with us all.

[thissiteisforpervs]

The u. s. was built on freedom, the first of its kind

[Paris13]

Cheers, @AleDelEurope and with Those very morbid looking, as though "Funeral for their Friend" at Clinton Headquarters last nite... YIKES!!! Bring on no more kool-aide, enough of the Rough Stuff. lolxx

[hellionthesagereborn]

@FallOutBoy2001 Trump out right stated he would protect the rights of the LGBT community, when applauded he even told the republicans that he was proud of their response and how they would also agree to stand up for the LGBT community. He also stated that he would abolish Obamacare because it was a terrible system and by extension implement a new one. So none of those are actually valid fears.

[jacquesvol]

People just got the G. O. P. comments about the Wikileaks. NOT this:
Trump's Lying Again: Leaked DNC Emails Show Clinton Didn't Fix www.thedailybeast.com/.../trump-s-lying-again-leaked-dnc-emails-show-clinton-didn-t-fix-the-d

[jacquesvol]

@AleDeEurope Wikileaks? People only heard what the Trump media said about it.
Trump's Lying Again: Leaked DNC Emails Show Clinton Didn't Fix : www.thedailybeast.com/.../...-fix-the-debates.html

[hellionthesagereborn]

@jacquesvol Does it matter? She deleted over 3000 emails by her own admission after she was ordered to hand them over to the FBI which is destruction of evidence and by extention obstruction of justice which is a crime. She shouldn't have been in the running regardless, she should have been in prison.

[jacquesvol]

" all Wikileaks revealed" it was a mass of texts, too big to process alone and people only read the reports about it on some sites.
Trump's Lying Again: Leaked DNC Emails Show Clinton Didn't Fix www.thedailybeast.com/.../...-fix-the-debates.html

[hellionthesagereborn]

@jacquesvol Thats irrelevent she broke the law twice and endangered the country she is suppose to be protecting. She also deleted 3,000 emails to prevent the FBI from looking at them so kind of suspicious. So thats an idiotic argument.

[jacquesvol]

Last news I read Clinton won the popular vote by at least some 400,000 votes.
State officials are still counting millions of provisional and absentee ballots, and within two weeks, Clinton will likely have another few million votes in the bank.
www.theatlantic.com/.../

But that 'smart' 18th century system won't even consider these votes.

[Jamesol1]

Trump said himself he would have campaigned elsewhere in order to get a higher amount of voters in general. You can't say if it was down to a popular vote Clinton would have won.

[RegularTK421]

How many votes did your monarch receive? Oh that's right, you can't even vote for your head of state. What a "smart" system.

[RegularTK421]

And Belgium uses three electoral colleges to vote for EU representatives.

[jacquesvol]

@RegularTK421 I don't think you studied that. 😂

[RegularTK421]

en.wikipedia.org/.../Elections_to_the_European_Parliament

[RegularTK421]

So again, this criticism coming from one who lives in a country that is far less democratic than the U. S. You live under a Constitutional Monarchy, we live under a Constitutional Republic. We can elect our President, you can not choose your Monarch.

[FallOutBoy2001]

@RegularTK421 and the monarch does pretty much jack shit

[jacquesvol]

@RegularTK421 under many constitutional monarchies, votes seem to count more than in some republics.

[RegularTK421]

Just because his power isn't advertised, doesn't mean he doesn't have it. The Monarch is the head of state, he appoints ministers, and is the commander in chief of the armed forces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Belgium

Aside from that, every vote counts here in the U. S. The popular vote in each state elects that's states electors. It's how our system has worked since 1787.

[RegularTK421]

www.archives.gov/.../about.html

[jacquesvol]

@RegularTK421 Every vote counts in the US but some count more

https://i.imgur.com/h6BoPKR.jpg

by the way , in a constitutional monarchy the king just has an honorary role. He nearly needs a signature of a secretary of state to go to the toilet. :D :D

[RegularTK421]

And the DC democrat is worth just as much as a Wyoming Republican vote. Without the electoral college, all 50 states would never have joined the union to begin with. The United States wasn't formed to have a national vote to elect the president. Just like we can not vote in supreme court justices.

[jacquesvol]

@RegularTK421 the person is worth as much but the DC democrat's vote is worth less.

[JudgmentDay]

I only went by the saying of just "vote against whomever if you can't decide to vote for whomever".

In the end I wrote in a 3rd party candidate since I cannot agree to vote for either of those candidates for both major political parties. I'm just not a fan of the Trump or Hillary since both are WAY TOO CONTROVERSIAL.

Each to their own, but for now learn to accept reality. You only have so much control in this reality. Unexpected shit, tragic horrible shit happens unexpected to people everyday. So let's move on from all of this, relax, and just live for the moment while we still have moments left.

[OrdinaryGentleman]

Cool, ill be the guy who isn't off his rocker in responding to this.
There needs to be more analysis done. If you make blanket statements it'll just make people respond more rudely with moronic answers.
When you give detailed points you may have a better chance.
Think of almost every trump supporter... they give blanket statements to negate facts. If you do the same you will only get more.
try to steer more towards evidence :)
With hillary its rather easy to do, though the problems of her emails keep coming up and Benghazi. With trump he has said so many outlandish things, so take your pick.

[Krillanr]

The difficult part of elections to me, is judging what is good for me or the people I know, versus what is good for the country as a whole.

I wish the very best for you, your friends and your family.

There are a lot of things that are on their last legs in the US.
If they aren't repaired... the potential for suffering would greatly outweigh what any one person is experiencing now.

I don't believe that Clinton is capable of improving things as much as Trump can. I also don't believe that Clinton was as interested in improving things for the country, as she was in improving things for herself.

She has changed her tune more times than an old worn out piano.
Trump has said roughly the exact same thing for the past 30 years.
That is why I trust him, but not her.

[Anonymous]

OMG seriously? Nothing you just said is true. Repeal and replace. He is not against gay marriage, and they voted for him because he wasn't establishment.

America has accepted no such claims about itself, it has only decided that it will not be ruled by fear of such accusations. Immigration won't be curbed, just illegal immigration.

So quit being wrong, and hope aboard the Trump train, he wants to be the president for ALL Americans, not the powers that be.

[Waffles731]

Really, cause a brother with a serious disorder won't be able to get healthcare if the affordable care act gets repealed

[Opinion Owner]

It will be replaced. Obama care is set to double in prices!

[Djaaaaay]

@Waffles731 How can be so sure about that? I've lived in this country for decades and there's always a way to get something done.

[Waffles731]

@Djaaaaay
Says the person who won't be dead from lack of psychiatric care if the affordable care act gets repealed

[Djaaaaay]

@Waffles731 What are you talking about. ?

[Waffles731]

@Djaaaaay
I'm talking about me
Well, considering the only reason I'm able to afford therapy is that under the affordable care act I can stay under my parents insurance till I'm twenty six and the whole platform of his is fuck obamacare.
Yeah, if you supported trump, you suck

[Djaaaaay]

@Waffles731 Why is it that makes you think there's only one way to do things in this world ?

[FallOutBoy2001]

@Djaaaaay because we tried the old system for years before Obamacare, and that didn't work for a lot of people

[Djaaaaay]

Opinion owner. And you think I never had to make decisions concerning myself and family all these years. There's mountains of other ways to do things in this country depending on your smart spectrum.

[KnightinDarkArmor]

You are jumping the gun.

First off the President does not have the authority to nullify Gay Marriage. Supreme Court already declared it's a right, and the Federal government couldn't nullify state marriage any way. Also, Donald Trump repeatedly stated he supports Gay Marriage. Also, Trump is a businessman from New York, he knows going anti-LGBTQ will spell doom for his business interests.

As for healthcare, it will be an uphill battle for trump to repeal Obamacare and the Dems in the senate have enough sway to block it with a filibuster.

[NexAngelus]

while i THINK he won't go after gay rights...
acting like going after them would doom something is a bit of a leap also, ur like.03% of the pop. u dont control shit all. and part of the reason the current situation is the way it is, is because people got sick if MILITANT gays demanding more than equal rights. its not illegal to be gay anymore... civil union was legal long ago... go home. when someone does SOMETHING ACTUALLY wrong to u come back

[FallOutBoy2001]

@NexAngelus we are more that.03%. We're around 4% of the population, a bit higher if you live in NE

[KnightinDarkArmor]

@NexAngelus not a leap. Attacking the gay community will stigmatize his business in New York and California, where the Gay community holds considerable business. They will hurt trump at his wallet.

And what more rights are the LGBTQ community demanding?

[ginny_weasley]

I'm terrified that I will lose my right to an abortion. Also I fear for my Muslim and gay friends. The fact that trump supporters are saying we have to live with it and respect him because he will be president for the next four years makes me laugh. I don't remember them doing the same when obama was president.

[Righttobeararms83]

I voted for Obama be fair I dont remember protests in the street about not liking democracy.

[ginny_weasley]

@Righttobeararms83 I seem to recall a video of racist who said we should shoot obama because he's black.

[Righttobeararms83]

there's plenty of crazies out there. I remember seeing an illegal stating that the Mexican cartels would shoot trump.

[NexAngelus]

wow u found one example that i doubt anyone else could find with out trying their hardest to find... long story short, nothing happened when the terrorist took office. we didn't like it but we took it like adults, cause news flash we are. now flash to any point where liberals lose... they cry, riot and burn and scream. they are babies, not adults. it happens every time. and unlike with obama, there are articles and media everywhere with things about killing and assasinating trump. which by the way is a felony for anyone who does not know. why do u think no one talks like that about obama? because we dont have that many crazies over here... not enough to form hate support groups to pat each other on the dam back. most the time people call it a lone wolf, liberals just call it another day that shouldn't of happened or "room to vent their frustrations" lol while a city burns down. U people dont remember history at all, even when u try to compare someone to hitler u do it wrong!

[ginny_weasley]

@NexAngelus then I guess I know every negative conservative on the planet.

[ginny_weasley]

@NexAngelus people do talk that way about obama or else I wouldn't say it.

[NexAngelus]

who the hell do u hang out with? i hate that piece of shit, and i have NEVER seen anyone say they wanted to hurt him. i have seen people talking about doing stupid stuff and i have reminded them about the felony charges before it got out of hand incase they were too stupid to know that, but i have never seen anyone even on the interent say that. now i have on multiple occasions witnessed FIRST HAND even in real life liberals talk about assasinating political figures. so unless u were raised in so radical militant group, im going to go ahead and call bullshit. as others have pointed out, look at all the riots and shit during obamas term... oo wait there were none. its because people on THAT side can behave. its like u are required to be an adult before being admitted. while any child/baby/illegal/criminal will do for the left. give them 5bucks and cheese burger and they will riot for u. look at all the major cities right now. thats not organic.

[ginny_weasley]

@NexAngelus I don't hang out with them. I try to not associate myself with them. I went to high school with a lot of them. I'm still shocked that they graduated. I live in a very conservative county.

[Death_of_rats]

so this is basically a "I have no respect for those who have a different opinion to my own" topic?

im not even American but the saltiness is so amusing. I mean america more than any other country pushes democracy so hard its almost a religion. Now that democracy has spoken the losers have all lost their shit.

The same thing happened with brexit and i find it hilarious how similar the losing sides are acting.

[1whetam1]

Brexit was based on popular vote while the election was based on the votes of a few selected individuals

[FallOutBoy2001]

@1whetam1 Exactly what you said

[Dred1614returns]

I've had a year and a half to think. I've known where my vote was going since June 16, 2015. I could not bring myself to support a candidate that would further the Washington establishment. I voted for tomorrow's candidate, not yesterday's.
i.ytimg.com/vi/W1ovatde-fQ/maxresdefault.jpg

[goaded]

If it had been Trump vs. Sanders, would you have voted the same?

[Dred1614returns]

@goaded damn right.

[goaded]

Then you weren't just voting against the establishment.

[Dred1614returns]

@goaded obviously

[godfatherfan]

you have someone that said he wanted to date his daughter.
you have someone that told his followers to kill Hillary Clinton.
you have someone that only spewed hatred.
someone that said that women are just sexual pieces of meat that deserve no respect.
Congrats to the knuckle dragging morons that voted for him. when millions of people are out of work during the next "Great Republican recession", have no insurance, homeless... I hope you will be happy with your choice.

[NexAngelus]

its to bad stupid is not a disease that can kill

[rjroy3]

It's amazing to me that when a Democrat President is in office and not doing well. "The President is a puppet. He doesn't have any real power". Come election season and Republican might win. "Oh no! He'll ruin all we've accomplished!". Well, which is it? Lol.

[Jayded1]

You REALLY need to research his actual stances on stuff. half the things you are saying are just media propaganda. I think you will be very relieved. he has said he will not stop gay marriage, he has said he plans to keep the much needed parts of obama care and only remove the red tape.

[ADFSDF1996]

It's not going to be as bad you think. Relax, what you at feeling is shock because you probably didn't expect him to win. Later on in high school, you will learn how our government works. The president doesn't have too much power, power is divided by the branches. Don't forget that we have a constitution.